Death Note Mafia [END]

[FZ.]

I also agree with a lot of what Russ is saying. TH has indeed been brazen as an unlynchable (so far) player, although I don't thinking lynching him was a waste of time, because I agree with some of the variants on how we can build from that (especially Epig's). I can't properly charge Epig as bad even given his shenanigans. I am certain I'm not bad. Boo's cases were on the level until his bea case seemed more like an outburst than a grand reasoning and I too am waiting to hear more from him on that. I should probably re-read Elo based on Russ' suspicions, didn't pick up anything on that. Will think more on Made.

linki: What Epig points out suddenly makes sense. I can also start to see a condition such as "Higuchi Kyosuke must "

Dinner now. If MP agrees to offer a new letter, I say O.

I'm not sure what people mean when they are saying this.

Go back and read what I said again. If there is anyone who is great at doing the 'but this last post sounds really genuine' to turn suspicion into nothing when they're a baddie, it's bea. Case building against her like I do doesn't work. My goal was to channel SVS, because SVS is the best at reading her, and SVS is the best at getting her lynched when she's bad. I guess I did a poor job of it, but all it should really take is for people to reread bea and come to their own conclusion. I wasn't telling people to vote for Bea, I was explaining why I strongly believe bea is bad, and listed the reasons I had for it that worked in the style I wanted to use. But if you want to consider voting for her, you're going to need to do your own leg work, and if you have questions you'd like to see her answer, you're going to need to ask them. If you read her and don't agree then say it and move on, or better yet, explain why you think the reasons I gave for voting her are wrong. Just talking about it without saying anything of meaning isn't helping anyone, and I'm not sure why multiple people have felt the need to do so.

Another person said I could have substitued bea's name in that post with anyone and had it be true. I feel like that person isn't a case builder. I could take anyone in this thread and build a case like I do on them, with lots of quotes and reasons they've flipped on things, haven't followed their own internal logic, have baddie motives for voting how they have, why they'd NK LC and SVS, etc. Anyone could do that. It's doing it with people you actually suspect based on one small but important thing that launches something like that. With my reasons for voting bea, I couldn't do that same sort of swap in for any other player, that was very much built around how I think she plays as a civ and how she plays as a baddie.

I will go back and read because I think I missed it the first time, but I need to find it (and I've been lazy...Epi, don't beat me up for that). I agree that a case can be built on anyone. Heck, civvies make more "mistakes" in my opinion, so it's easier to build a case on them.
What happened to your suspicion of llama? Did it go away?

[Tangrowth]

O it is.

[Tangrowth]

Updated birdwithteeth11's Note:

~~~~g~ ~y~y~yq~g

~~~o ~~~ ~~~y~o~~~: ~~~~o~y ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~o~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ O~~~~ ~y~o.

[Ricochet]

Updated birdwithteeth11's Note:

~~~~g~ ~y~y~yq~g

~~~o ~~~ ~~~y~o~~~: ~~~~o~y ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~o~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~ O~~~~ ~y~o.

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
~~~~u~e (WMEU) survive/outlive
~~~~~~~(XNFV) Higuchi?
~~~~(YOGW)
~~(ZPHX)
~y~~~~~(AQIY)
~~~~~(BRJZ)
~~(CSKA)
~~~(DTLB)
a(EUMC)
D~~~~(FVND)
~o~e(GWOE)

[Ricochet]

Kyosuke Higuchi must be lynched twice to get a Death Note?

[boo]

No, I'd still like to lynch llama. But I have nothing else to add, the other 5(?) people who voted for him in the BWT lynch seem to have changed their minds or dropped it, and no one else seems to have any interest in pursuing it. There's more than one Kira, so why would I want to stop at finding one?

[Marmot]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
~~~~(YOGW)
~~(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
~~~~~(BRJZ)
OR(CSKA)
~~~(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

[FZ.]

Okay, found it. And it didn't take time at all...oops

Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.

I'm honestly not even sure I would have picked up on it, but I think you know better than what you're doing to be doing it if you were a civ. I think this has all been very dishonest, you're throwing my name out because you (and maybe your teammate(s)) know I can become an easy lynch. You wouldn't do that if you were civ. SVS was trusting me prior to her death, and I think if you were civ you'd put stock in that opinion, and not be saying things we both know you could easily go back and check if you wanted to. But you don't want to, because you know what the truth is, it's just inconvenient to your attempt to get me lynched.

I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

I suppose the good news for me is that based on your coming after me, I'm not next to be NKed? Or did you try that, it was supposed to have gone through by now, and I've gotten lucky and it failed? I could see that, after LC and SVS, I'm one of what, 3 or 4 people you'd want dead next?

I'm almost tempted to go the usual route and build a case. I started to, but it just feels off. If it was anyone else I would have gone through with it. But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you. I think that must have been what you were hoping for throwing my name out? I bite, come after you in my usual style, you play it just so, and get me lynched after subtly but obviously forcing me into making it a you vs. me.

So who's your teammate? You have to be Light, and while I don't trust Epi or llama, I don't think it's either of them. I still think TH is a Shingami, and that was the first role I thought he was. I wonder if I had that one right?

Anyways, I'm voting bea, just in case I have the read wrong on the NK I want to get it in to count.

Hmm, I have no idea what to make of this.
I think I was the first person Bea suspected and voted for. I thought that if anyone should have known better, it was her. But when I attacked her on that, she said it made me feel more genuine and said she's pulling back a little and we'll just agree to mutually watch each other instead of voting for me again. Is that what you mean when you say " But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you." ? Would you say that backing off when someone attacks her back is something she does more as a civvie or as a baddie. Do you think she'd pursued her suspicion on me if she was a civ? Though most players have backed off me, so I don't know what to make of that.

[DharmaHelper]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
must(YOGW)
be(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
before(BRJZ)
he(CSKA)
has(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

Solved.

[Epignosis]

Kyosuke Higuchi must be lynched twice to get a Death Note?

That isn't a win condition. That's a condition for someone getting a Death Note. I don't think that's it, no.

[Marmot]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
must(YOGW)
be(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
before(BRJZ)
he(CSKA)
has(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

Solved.

BEFORE doesn't work. We already have B.

[Tangrowth]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
must(YOGW)
be(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
before(BRJZ)
he(CSKA)
has(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

Solved.

Very close! But no apple.

[Ricochet]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
must(YOGW)
be(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
before(BRJZ)
he(CSKA)
has(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

Solved.

BEFORE doesn't work. We already have B.

It's a five-letter word, anyway, not six. Until?

[Epignosis]

while

[Marmot]

Eiichi (RHZP) (SOLVED)
Takahashi (SIAQ) (SOLVED)
Your (TJBR) (SOLVED)
win (UKCS) (SOLVED)
condition (VLDT): (SOLVED)
Kyosuke (WMEU) (SOLVED)
Higuchi(XNFV) (SOLVED)
must(YOGW)
be(ZPHX)
lynched (AQIY) (SOLVED)
while (BRJZ)
he(CSKA)
has(DTLB) win?
a(EUMC) (SOLVED)
Death(FVND) (SOLVED)
Note(GWOE). (SOLVED)

[Epignosis]

That makes a lot more sense.

[Ricochet]

That makes a lot more sense.

Indeed.

[Marmot]

That makes a lot more sense.

Thanks for the assist.

[Tangrowth]

Congratulations! That is correct.

[Tangrowth]

Updated birdwithteeth11's Note:

Eiichi Takahashi

Your win condition: Kyosuke Higuchi must be lynched while he has a Death Note.

[Tangrowth]

Secret events and puzzles have concluded for the duration.

[Ricochet]

[Marmot]

I know who I'm voting tomorrow and it's not Epig.

[DharmaHelper]

Pretty convenient revelation there with the naming conventions, Epi. PRETTY DARN CONVENIENT

[Turnip Head]

So BWT can still win the game if we lynch Higuchi with the Note?

[boo]

Okay, found it. And it didn't take time at all...oops

Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.

I'm honestly not even sure I would have picked up on it, but I think you know better than what you're doing to be doing it if you were a civ. I think this has all been very dishonest, you're throwing my name out because you (and maybe your teammate(s)) know I can become an easy lynch. You wouldn't do that if you were civ. SVS was trusting me prior to her death, and I think if you were civ you'd put stock in that opinion, and not be saying things we both know you could easily go back and check if you wanted to. But you don't want to, because you know what the truth is, it's just inconvenient to your attempt to get me lynched.

I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

I suppose the good news for me is that based on your coming after me, I'm not next to be NKed? Or did you try that, it was supposed to have gone through by now, and I've gotten lucky and it failed? I could see that, after LC and SVS, I'm one of what, 3 or 4 people you'd want dead next?

I'm almost tempted to go the usual route and build a case. I started to, but it just feels off. If it was anyone else I would have gone through with it. But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you. I think that must have been what you were hoping for throwing my name out? I bite, come after you in my usual style, you play it just so, and get me lynched after subtly but obviously forcing me into making it a you vs. me.

So who's your teammate? You have to be Light, and while I don't trust Epi or llama, I don't think it's either of them. I still think TH is a Shingami, and that was the first role I thought he was. I wonder if I had that one right?

Anyways, I'm voting bea, just in case I have the read wrong on the NK I want to get it in to count.

Hmm, I have no idea what to make of this.
I think I was the first person Bea suspected and voted for. I thought that if anyone should have known better, it was her. But when I attacked her on that, she said it made me feel more genuine and said she's pulling back a little and we'll just agree to mutually watch each other instead of voting for me again. Is that what you mean when you say " But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you." ? Would you say that backing off when someone attacks her back is something she does more as a civvie or as a baddie. Do you think she'd pursued her suspicion on me if she was a civ? Though most players have backed off me, so I don't know what to make of that.

I think she said you seemed genuine and backed off because the wind wasn't blowing in your direction, and rather than maintain the suspicion but not pursue it at all, it's easier to say something like you were seeming genuine to drop it and then just come back to it if people find other reasons to suspect you down the road. I think a civ bea would have at least engaged you more before backing off. I think baddie bea is more paranoid about things back-firing, and risk-averse, so quickly dropping it when it isn't working is the play.

It's the same sort of thing I meant, but not quite. What I mean is, if I were to build a case on bea, giving her a point by point to defend, and then discuss and pick apart with her, the final posts would be what I consider the emotional defense, where it becomes not about what's actually said, but how it is said, and bea is great at the how it's said, and making people think what was said is genuine. It creates second-guessing and doubt, and forces away votes. So case building, while my preference, doesn't work. I'd usually still just go about it in my usual way and ignore past experiences where it doesn't work, but as I was doing that, I felt like that was the goal and I was being played, so I tried something else.

[Ricochet]

Pretty convenient revelation there with the naming conventions, Epi. PRETTY DARN CONVENIENT

Problem is the right way is Higuchi Kyosuke. MP probably didn't take in the Jap conventions for any of the characters.

[Ricochet]

So BWT can still win the game if we lynch Higuchi with the Note?

It appears so.

[FZ.]

Okay, found it. And it didn't take time at all...oops

Oh bea. I am disappoint. I like civ you. This is not civ you. And you went and killed SVS because if anyone was going to pick up on it first and come after you hard, it would have been her. It was probably the best decision, I'll give you that. But I think it's going to bite you in the ass because of how you've played it. You wouldn't have done it if her coming after you wouldn't have mattered because you're a shingami and can't be lynched, which means you can be killed.

I'm honestly not even sure I would have picked up on it, but I think you know better than what you're doing to be doing it if you were a civ. I think this has all been very dishonest, you're throwing my name out because you (and maybe your teammate(s)) know I can become an easy lynch. You wouldn't do that if you were civ. SVS was trusting me prior to her death, and I think if you were civ you'd put stock in that opinion, and not be saying things we both know you could easily go back and check if you wanted to. But you don't want to, because you know what the truth is, it's just inconvenient to your attempt to get me lynched.

I am curious about your kill on LC. Why do it and then frame the discussion in a way that also assigns guilt to you? The WIFOM and getting ahead of it is nice, but LC wasn't really playing normal LC this game, and it would have been easy to argue a player who doesn't know him well did it because he was a middle of the pack poster who wasn't raising a lot of flags, the kind of target baddies like because they are so rarely protected. Although I guess that's maybe why you killed him? Another person who could pick up on your baddie-ness and would come at you hard.

I suppose the good news for me is that based on your coming after me, I'm not next to be NKed? Or did you try that, it was supposed to have gone through by now, and I've gotten lucky and it failed? I could see that, after LC and SVS, I'm one of what, 3 or 4 people you'd want dead next?

I'm almost tempted to go the usual route and build a case. I started to, but it just feels off. If it was anyone else I would have gone through with it. But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you. I think that must have been what you were hoping for throwing my name out? I bite, come after you in my usual style, you play it just so, and get me lynched after subtly but obviously forcing me into making it a you vs. me.

So who's your teammate? You have to be Light, and while I don't trust Epi or llama, I don't think it's either of them. I still think TH is a Shingami, and that was the first role I thought he was. I wonder if I had that one right?

Anyways, I'm voting bea, just in case I have the read wrong on the NK I want to get it in to count.

Hmm, I have no idea what to make of this.
I think I was the first person Bea suspected and voted for. I thought that if anyone should have known better, it was her. But when I attacked her on that, she said it made me feel more genuine and said she's pulling back a little and we'll just agree to mutually watch each other instead of voting for me again. Is that what you mean when you say " But if there's anyone who'd manage to do the emotional defense that strikes people as honest and gives them even a one day reprieve to regroup, it's you." ? Would you say that backing off when someone attacks her back is something she does more as a civvie or as a baddie. Do you think she'd pursued her suspicion on me if she was a civ? Though most players have backed off me, so I don't know what to make of that.

I think she said you seemed genuine and backed off because the wind wasn't blowing in your direction, and rather than maintain the suspicion but not pursue it at all, it's easier to say something like you were seeming genuine to drop it and then just come back to it if people find other reasons to suspect you down the road. I think a civ bea would have at least engaged you more before backing off. I think baddie bea is more paranoid about things back-firing, and risk-averse, so quickly dropping it when it isn't working is the play.

It's the same sort of thing I meant, but not quite. What I mean is, if I were to build a case on bea, giving her a point by point to defend, and then discuss and pick apart with her, the final posts would be what I consider the emotional defense, where it becomes not about what's actually said, but how it is said, and bea is great at the how it's said, and making people think what was said is genuine. It creates second-guessing and doubt, and forces away votes. So case building, while my preference, doesn't work. I'd usually still just go about it in my usual way and ignore past experiences where it doesn't work, but as I was doing that, I felt like that was the goal and I was being played, so I tried something else.

I see what you're saying. The only thing I'm not sure I get is what you mean by "emotional". The last game we've played together on K-site, I was really suspicious of her, and she was doing the emotional appeal (said she was sorry she was such a bad ciivie, and how she wasn't doing enough. It didn't help that she was defending a baddie like crazy), and it made me more suspicious of her, but she ended up being a civ. So I really want to understand what you mean by emotional. She isn't doing the "emotional" I consider as one.

Did you vote for her to get L to check her? Did I understand correctly what L does?




I have another idea on TH, which doesn't make him bad, but I don't know if it's good to share it. Does it even matter? We're not going after him any more, are we? At least for now

[Turnip Head]

I don't think I'm in too much trouble atm FZ so no need to share Thanks for keeping an open mind about me by the way.

[boo]

I don't mean she already is playing that way FZ, I mean my usual way of going after someone illicits that type of response from her, and it usually works to keep her (and other people who are good at it in the same way) from being lynched. So I didn't go that route.

No, L wasn't a consideration, I voted for her because I think she's bad.

[FZ.]

I don't think I'm in too much trouble atm FZ so no need to share Thanks for keeping an open mind about me by the way.

Okay then. I hope I'm not being a naive fool here

I don't mean she already is playing that way FZ, I mean my usual way of going after someone illicits that type of response from her, and it usually works to keep her (and other people who are good at it in the same way) from being lynched. So I didn't go that route.

No, L wasn't a consideration, I voted for her because I think she's bad.

Okay, thanks.

[Epignosis]

DharmaHelper and Elohcin:

In one sentence, what is your opinion of bea? Your answers, taken together, will drive my second question.

She's a nice enough person, but I am becoming evermore confident that she is not a detective; or in terms you would be comfortable with, not "detective-friendly."

DharmaHelper and Elohcin:

In one sentence, what is your opinion of bea? Your answers, taken together, will drive my second question.

I think there is a possibility she could be L.

Second question: What do you think of thellama73?

[FZ.]

Why would Elo say she thought Bea was L? Wouldn't that jeopardize Bea? Why not just say she thought she was good? I don't get Elo this game at all.

[Ricochet]

Wait a minute, how can Higuchi get lynched twice while possessing a Death Note, if he is unlynchable until he possesses one?

[Turnip Head]

"Twice" isn't in the solved puzzle Rico.

[Ricochet]

Ah, you're right. Twice remained stucked in my head for some reason. My bad.

[Marmot]

Ah, you're right. Twice remained stucked in my head for some reason. My bad.

Once Trice was lynched, Twice remained.

[Elohcin]

Interesting that both BR and Elo are a little suspicious of me after I just said I was suspicious of them. Elo, to answer your question, I've never seen this show, and if what I see here is any indication, I won't be watching it any time soon :P .
Also, you keep saying that you're trying to think of what is considered bad and what is good. Is that why you're not really trying to add any thoughts? I feel you're even less talkative than usual.

I'm taking everything in and observing as much as possible I am also trying to do some detective work and figure something out atm. I believe I am almost there. I don't find you crazy suspicious. I was in a big hurry to vote. It was already 7:44 when I ran to my computer to vote. I knew my vote for you would not affect you and it would allow me not to be punished for missing the vote.

Elo is also playing that card, but with her, it's that she doesn't know who is bad and who is good. Come on, that's what you're going for? Really? That doesn't sound genuine. Is it only me?

I think watching the show has messed me up. It messes with your head being right in the middle of the show b/c Light is NOT bad. He is NOT kira. He is HELPING the detectives find kira. He has no recollection of ever BEING kira. And, he cannot imagine himself EVER killing someone even if they were a horrible criminal. So...it is weird. My thoughts are genuine.

Why would Elo say she thought Bea was L? Wouldn't that jeopardize Bea? Why not just say she thought she was good? I don't get Elo this game at all.

Epi said that my reaction to his question would help him decide what question to ask next. I was curious to see his reaction...that is all.

[FZ.]

Interesting that both BR and Elo are a little suspicious of me after I just said I was suspicious of them. Elo, to answer your question, I've never seen this show, and if what I see here is any indication, I won't be watching it any time soon :P .
Also, you keep saying that you're trying to think of what is considered bad and what is good. Is that why you're not really trying to add any thoughts? I feel you're even less talkative than usual.

I'm taking everything in and observing as much as possible I am also trying to do some detective work and figure something out atm. I believe I am almost there. I don't find you crazy suspicious. I was in a big hurry to vote. It was already 7:44 when I ran to my computer to vote. I knew my vote for you would not affect you and it would allow me not to be punished for missing the vote.

Elo is also playing that card, but with her, it's that she doesn't know who is bad and who is good. Come on, that's what you're going for? Really? That doesn't sound genuine. Is it only me?

I think watching the show has messed me up. It messes with your head being right in the middle of the show b/c Light is NOT bad. He is NOT kira. He is HELPING the detectives find kira. He has no recollection of ever BEING kira. And, he cannot imagine himself EVER killing someone even if they were a horrible criminal. So...it is weird. My thoughts are genuine.

Why would Elo say she thought Bea was L? Wouldn't that jeopardize Bea? Why not just say she thought she was good? I don't get Elo this game at all.

Epi said that my reaction to his question would help him decide what question to ask next. I was curious to see his reaction...that is all.

But here we do know that Kira is bad and the detectives have to get all Kiras dead. So I don't get how there's room for confusion.

What is your opinion of Epi this game? I don't think you've said anything about him when he was being under the spotlight. Am I wrong? It feels like you're not involving yourself in any of the big issues

[Marmot]

FZ, what do you consider to be big issues?

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper and Elohcin:

In one sentence, what is your opinion of bea? Your answers, taken together, will drive my second question.

She's a nice enough person, but I am becoming evermore confident that she is not a detective; or in terms you would be comfortable with, not "detective-friendly."

DharmaHelper and Elohcin:

In one sentence, what is your opinion of bea? Your answers, taken together, will drive my second question.

I think there is a possibility she could be L.

Second question: What do you think of thellama73?

I don't currently suspect him.

[Turnip Head]

Saying that Light is not Kira around the halfway mark of the show, while accurate, doesn't really tell the whole story. Light intentionally stops being Kira, intentionally gives up all his memories of being Kira, in order to clear himself of the suspicion on him. I won't spoil how that all works or where it ends up going, but yeah, he's definitely still the bad guy, even if he doesn't realize it himself at the time.

[Elohcin]

Actually..I did give my opinion of Epi already. And there isn't anything to get involved in but the puzzle right now...its all people seem to care about. And unfortunately, I have no idea where to begin with puzzles. What big issues are you referring to actually?

Linki: I guess TH. Anyway...I'm mostly lost this game b/c I don't know who to go for. I thin it's easier to catch baddies when they have BTSC. You can look for patterns, distancing, slips, etc. In this game, I have no idea what to even look for.

For anyone, what would you consider to be "suspicious behavior" in a game like this where there is very little BTSC?

[Elohcin]

Actually..I did give my opinion of Epi already. And there isn't anything to get involved in but the puzzle right now...its all people seem to care about. And unfortunately, I have no idea where to begin with puzzles. What big issues are you referring to actually?

Linki: I guess TH. Anyway...I'm mostly lost this game b/c I don't know who to go for. I thin it's easier to catch baddies when they have BTSC. You can look for patterns, distancing, slips, etc. In this game, I have no idea what to even look for.

For anyone, what would you consider to be "suspicious behavior" in a game like this where there is very little BTSC?

EBWOP: "who to go for" meaning...who to vote, who to find suspicious

[Turnip Head]

We're basically trying to find four separate serial killers in this game. Usually in mafia games, there is a max of one serial killer. And it's always the hardest baddie to find, for exactly the reasons Elo has stated. It's easier to make connections when the baddies have BTSC.

[FZ.]

FZ, what do you consider to be big issues?

I don't know. I don't remember Elo saying much in any of the big discussions, like DH vs. Epi. I mostly remember her talking about watching the show, sharing stuff on her and EPi, that are a need to know basis :P , and posting a lot in OT green.


Elo, by the way, I forgot to ask you before because when I read it, I was in a big hurry. Did you mix me and Zombarella up? You had this post where you talked about how leading a lynch did not make those people good. If I remember, I thought you were talking about the Snowman lynch, and then you went on to say that even though it didn't make those people civvies, you felt nothing but good vibes from llama and me. Did you mean Zomb?

[FZ.]

Do you all think there's a reason MP is giving out the secrets in that specific order, or is it more random?

[Marmot]

Do you all think there's a reason MP is giving out the secrets in that specific order, or is it more random?

It's worth noting that he's only done it with players that we've lynched that have a secret win condition (because that's what we've been solving for). So I don't think it's random. I think we won't see any more such puzzle-solving until we lynch another player that has a secret win condition, and I think Matsuda doesn't have one.

[Ricochet]

Do you all think there's a reason MP is giving out the secrets in that specific order, or is it more random?

It's worth noting that he's only done it with players that we've lynched that have a secret win condition (because that's what we've been solving for). So I don't think it's random. I think we won't see any more such puzzle-solving until we lynch another player that has a secret win condition, and I think Matsuda doesn't have one.

Pretty much what MM said, plus the fact that it might be MP's choice to reveal secret win conditions, as opposed to how he might gradually reveal all the *Secrets* himself.