Death Note Mafia [END]

[Marmot]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

[FZ.]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Light and the other one. Ryuk

[Marmot]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Light and the other one. Ryuk

But they have BTSC.

I'm talking about baddies where the players involved do not have BTSC, but know who the other is.

[thellama73]

Do it then. I have already acquired the taste of others misinterpreting my intentions from minute zero.

Very well. Explain your intentions.

I did. It's in that post. It's raising an issue on the L/Light type of voting based on how many connections or how much awareness could potentially form in both sides and which side would end up with more advantage, if this type of voting would be established over a long period of time.

But instead, I started pinging with preferring to name Light Kira (even though I said I'm willing to not do that), with being too drawn in by the theme and thus making too many assumptions based on it rather than relying on the specific-written roles (even though I apologized for making that logical jump) and being called a bullshitter for not being entirely sure if suggesting what BTSC connections could form is a way of hinting or not.

It seems likely that the Yotsuba Goup and Kira and his Sympathizers team up and become one super-baddie team with BTSC and new win conditions on Day 3.

This is one of your posts from very early in the game. I just feel like you keep bringing up the BTSC issue as something that is more present in the game than we know of. I call that assumption just as any other assumption that's been made in this game.

And you did say he might be suspicious because of that

boo defended Snowman despite his view that active players should not be lynched over inactives.

Snowman was, for me, inactive.

TH was also a vocal defender of Snowman. I'm not sure what level of BTSC the Kira sympathizers have at this point, but I find it noteworthy.

You want to vote for me for that stupid reason, have fun

The first comment you quote was a sarcastic comment (I hate sarcastic orange) making exaggerated fun of the asumptions others were making at the time. That's clear if you read it in context.

I think the second quote is notable in how I specifically point out that we don't know how much BTSC the baddies have, because we didn't, and we still don't.

[FZ.]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Light and the other one. Ryuk

But they have BTSC.

I'm talking about baddies where the players involved do not have BTSC, but know who the other is.

Oh, you meant that he implied that TH knew Snowman was bad without having BTSC? Sorry, I'm slow...


linki: The point I made was that you talked a lot about BTSC, when clearly we don't know what BTSC was formed, but we do know that most players did not have it, and your big post quoting all the potential BTSC makes it look like there's a lot of it, when in reality, we can only ASSUME on how many have gained it.

[thellama73]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Where the baddies KNOW who the others are without having BTSC? No, I can't. Thinking someone else might be on your team, and therefore worthy of defense, is another matter entirely. In any case, that's not why I voted for TH, so it doesn't matter.

FZ: I'm not the one making claims about how much BTSC currently exists. You, Elohcin and TH are.

[FZ.]

That sentence did not come out like I planned, but you get the idea

[Turnip Head]

Can we at least agree that this avenue of discussion isn't getting us anywhere? Or would that be considered stifling discussion?

[FZ.]

My vote's going to FZ tomorrow, based on her "you've been claiming BTSC between people as a reason from the start of the game" blatant lie.

Linki TH. You can have reasons for defending people without having BTSC with them, and you'll notice that's the last, therefore least important of the multiple reasons I voted for you.

Linki FZ: Oh, I didn't realize the Snowman lynch was THE START OF THE GAME. I must have been confused by the Day number.

Watari knows who L is, sure.

Can you name any baddies where this would hold true? (without assuming)

Where the baddies KNOW who the others are without having BTSC? No, I can't. Thinking someone else might be on your team, and therefore worthy of defense, is another matter entirely. In any case, that's not why I voted for TH, so it doesn't matter.

FZ: I'm not the one making claims about how much BTSC currently exists. You, Elohcin and TH are.

The claims are not stated by me. They were stated by the host in the beginning of the game. There is less baddie BTSC in this game from the start, and that's a fact. Even if they gained more, they didn't all get it in two days.
I'm tired of this discussion. Like I said, if you think it earned me a vote, go for it.

linki: yes

[DharmaHelper]

Can we at least agree that this avenue of discussion isn't getting us anywhere? Or would that be considered stifling discussion?

I can agree with this.

[thellama73]

The claims are not stated by me. They were stated by the host in the beginning of the game. There is less baddie BTSC in this game from the start, and that's a fact. Even if they gained more, they didn't all get it in two days.

I don't see how what did or did not happen in two days is relevant considering we've had four days.

[DharmaHelper]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

[Turnip Head]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

[DharmaHelper]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

Odd, I just went back to look for it and its gone. Wish I'd screenshotted it.

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

Odd, I just went back to look for it and its gone. Wish I'd screenshotted it.

I have page one in another tab. What was it you saw?

[DharmaHelper]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

Odd, I just went back to look for it and its gone. Wish I'd screenshotted it.

I have page one in another tab. What was it you saw?

Something I saw when trying to quote a role for reference. It looked like more squiggles but they were hidden, like smaller and color tags and stuff.

[Epignosis]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

Odd, I just went back to look for it and its gone. Wish I'd screenshotted it.

I have page one in another tab. What was it you saw?

Something I saw when trying to quote a role for reference. It looked like more squiggles but they were hidden, like smaller and color tags and stuff.

Whereabouts?

[DharmaHelper]

Is no one going to talk about the secret message on the main page?

wat

Odd, I just went back to look for it and its gone. Wish I'd screenshotted it.

I have page one in another tab. What was it you saw?

Something I saw when trying to quote a role for reference. It looked like more squiggles but they were hidden, like smaller and color tags and stuff.

Whereabouts?

I forget.

[Epignosis]

A pity.

[Made]

hi! catching up, but i just wanted to address this first. Responses are in Princess Pink!

Russ, while you're here, can you actually talk about the players and what you think about them?

Yes indeed!

As I said before, I think TH has made it clear through his behavior that lynching him is a waste of time. Llama has seemed to be his normal, slightly wacky, gun-ho baddie-hunting self. I started out thinking Epi seemed really bad, but have flipped my stance since he thought he would potentially be lynched and came off as very genuine. Hopefully most of that could be gleaned from my previous posts and votes. I have agreed with most everything Rico has said. He was one of the ones not sad about Yotsuba dying (although clearly lynching them shouldn't be a priority). He's also posted helpful analysis, so even though he suspects me I'm doubtful that he's bad.

boo I started off being absolutely convinced was detective. Then he had a spat with...Epi, I think? Since then I've read him as somewhat grumpy and with a MAJOR dose of tunnel-vision. I'm worried that shut down his interest in the game, and I'm trying to decide whether I think it's permanent. If he could go back to posting more analytically then I would feel a lot better about him. For example, his bea case was kind of a "believe, I promise I'm right" deal in the vein of Zomba's on Snowman, but that's not really boo's (best) play style like it is Zomba's. So I'm kinda waiting on the return of Detailed Analysis boo, but he has my eye for now.

I am a little worried about Elo. Her posts read to me as trying to justify why the baddies aren't bad, and that just doesn't seem like it can be a good sign. However, I usually rely on Epi's read of her to be sure, and he's refused to give one. That would make me worry about Epi too, normally. So I think there are 2 possibilities, and idk how to decide which one is better. Either what Epi posted about not being able to read Elo is true, or (and this would explain why Epi and Elo both aren't talking about it) maybe Epi knows Elo is bad and has decided it's unfair to call her out every single time, s he's just not getting involved.

Finally, I think there's a decent chance Made is bad. I will potentially vote there tomorrow, but I am trying to take a "wait and see" approach based on his recent posts and whether better leads emerge.

Catching up, page 30/45. But I felt the need to comment on this.

[clipped for brevity]...

I would be in the perfect position if i were a baddie this game. In the last 8 pages I read catching up, i was mentioned once, and it was a joke in passing. We need to make sure players like me or FZ seen above aren't slipping through the cracks. I'm not saying to vote low poster, but maybe general mindfulness of low post to content ratio?

This was on Day 1. So he's advocating not forgetting low posters, that's fine. But if we're looking at post-to-content ratio going forward, I think Made is at or near the top of that list.
That's a claim from a player with 25 post and a 25-14 ratio (and that's being generous

D2:

What's the general case on Snowman?

Just looked the votes...didn't know there was so much steam on BWT, Snow, or llama. gonna look over BWT, prolly not going to vote FZ, solid maybe on Snowman. Need to read boo's case on llama.
I'm having trouble finding the case on BWT. quick help anyone?
Also, is there a case on Epi that i don't know about, surprised to see SVS go that way, that said, i've only read the last 5 pages, then back to page 30 or so.

This is weird, because he was on Page 30 on Day 1. I don't see why he would lie about that, but it does seem weird to only read 5 pages and not say anything about how you're busy.Nah, it was a lie.

D3:

Hello friends! this game is very busy and intimidating. That said, i have nothing to do till lynch, so lezzgo. Stand by.

I kind of expected a big post here, but 3 hours later on D3:

Anyways, reading....nothing jumping out at me. This will sound stupid- because it is- but I literally don't have any leads as of yet, of, my own anyways. The case epi has on Dh seems like a stretch, but it merits, especially in the post that MM pointed out. That said I currently think Dh and Epi are both civvie just because to post so much ( i mean an argument the size of a page) and be bad would take a very strange kind of person I would never understand.

Anyways... either going to jump on bandwagon for accountability or self vote because I literally can't find the argument on Snowman.

Thought i'd given myself enough time to read everything and have options and all that jazz, but clearly i hadn't.

Really? 3 hours of nothing but mafia (as you said yourself) isn't enough for one single opinion?that's because i didn't spend 3 hours of mafia. I read like 10 pages, saw that i was exactly the same amount of pages behind as when i started, and stopped playing because fuck that.

To be fair, on D4 he did post a lot of opinions on people, as well as some darned insightful analysis. So that makes me feel a little better about him. If it continues into D5 I could see myself voting elsewhere.

He did say one thing since then that bugs me a lot, though:

Random thought during AP Lit: While I kinda agree with it, isn't it kinda a cough out to vote TH and Russ? gonna check something....

then, after taking votes from both me and bea in a fairly tight lynch...

I say that we start discussion with Russ and Bea. I'll take point tomorrow before I go to work, for now, my head hurts. done with mafia for a sec. might come back later tonight.

Reads like a NO U to me. And a cop-out.

At the end of the "TH and Russ case is a bit of a cough out" post that you clipped I said this:

Yeah, ik it's speculation, but if we're considering killing them, then we should have something a little more substantial than "oh he's acting funny"

Like i said when we put TH on the stand, all we have on you is that you post at weird times and infrequently. I don't think that's enough for a lynch, but i think it's worth looking into. As stated above, I want to start discussion on why you might post so infrequently, rather than try to get you lynch, at least yet.

[Zombarella]

Is Night 4 over yet? Please say yes. I don't want a night kill tonight.

[Tangrowth]

Night 4 is indeed over! I had to run an errand, sorry for my slight delay, folks.

Night 4 post coming shortly.

[Tangrowth]

Night 4: Silence (Part IV)

No one has been killed by Kira.
Some role secrets have been revealed.

It is now Day 5.

You still have 48 hours to find and lynch Kira.

[Tangrowth]

This is L.

Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer. She should be eliminated as soon as possible.

[Made]

This is L.

Elohcin has a 0% chance of being Kira, because she is a confirmed Kira sympathizer. She should be eliminated as soon as possible.

[DharmaHelper]

[Elohcin]

Whaaaaaa???!!!

[DharmaHelper]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

[Epignosis]

Whaaaaaa???!!!

[Turnip Head]

Elo, say it ain't so

[Epignosis]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

[Epignosis]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

How far should we be? We can try to expedite the process.

[Zombarella]

Hey everybody. I have a read on Elo. I think she's a Kira sympathizer. Should we lynch her?

Also, yay no one got night killed!

[DharmaHelper]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

How far should we be? We can try to expedite the process.

Watch at your own pace, my theory is likely irrelevant.

[Black Rock]

Hey everybody. I have a read on Elo. I think she's a Kira sympathizer. Should we lynch her?

Also, yay no one got night killed!

lol, I think I got the same lead.

[Turnip Head]

L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

[Black Rock]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

How far should we be? We can try to expedite the process.

Watch at your own pace, my theory is likely irrelevant.

Is this theory game related?

You have me curious, even though I would probably not understand it anyways.

[thellama73]

Hey everybody. I have a read on Elo. I think she's a Kira sympathizer. Should we lynch her?

Also, yay no one got night killed!

lol, I think I got the same lead.

You guys are sharp! I'm glad no one died.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

How far should we be? We can try to expedite the process.

Watch at your own pace, my theory is likely irrelevant.

Is this theory game related?

You have me curious, even though I would probably not understand it anyways.

It is, but it is also likely not true.

[Epignosis]

I'm not quite sure how far Epi and Eloh are in to the show so I will not ask the question on my mind.

We're at episode 21.

Not far enough then, nevermind.

How far should we be? We can try to expedite the process.

Watch at your own pace, my theory is likely irrelevant.

Very well, but you did answer two of mine. I don't want to be stingy simply because we're watching the show for the first time.

[DharmaHelper]

I hope everyone is going back and re-reading Eloh.

[Zombarella]

L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

L does have investigation into the % likelihood that someone is the murderer. It doesn't say anything about getting confirmation about non-murderers. If it's for real, then it would be in the secrets.

[Zombarella]

I hope everyone is going back and re-reading Eloh.

There's not much there....

[Elohcin]

L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

I have no clue. He seems to think he knows me. There are so many mechanics in this game...I just don't know.

[Turnip Head]

L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

L does have investigation into the % likelihood that someone is the murderer. It doesn't say anything about getting confirmation about non-murderers. If it's for real, then it would be in the secrets.

Elo could be Misa. L was able to figure out really quickly on the show that Misa was the second Kira.

If she is Misa, it would also neatly parallel Elo's opinions about Light so far.

[Elohcin]

I honestly don't know how to defend myself either. But, I will try to answer any and all questions to the best of my ability.

Linki: HAHA! b/c I I referenced something he did on the show that brought back memories of my early teens? C'mon!

[thellama73]

L seems absolutely sure about this one but I hate to go simply off of info. Elo why do you think L would say that about you?

I have no clue. He seems to think he knows me. There are so many mechanics in this game...I just don't know.

Oh, so you're suddenly reluctant to assume. How quickly things change.

[Zombarella]

I am a little worried about Elo. Her posts read to me as trying to justify why the baddies aren't bad, and that just doesn't seem like it can be a good sign. However, I usually rely on Epi's read of her to be sure, and he's refused to give one. That would make me worry about Epi too, normally. So I think there are 2 possibilities, and idk how to decide which one is better. Either what Epi posted about not being able to read Elo is true, or (and this would explain why Epi and Elo both aren't talking about it) maybe Epi knows Elo is bad and has decided it's unfair to call her out every single time, s he's just not getting involved.

This post from Russ describes how I feel about Elo exactly. I am with Russ and feeling good about an Elo lynch. My only reservation is that two of the three remaining sympathizers cannot be lynched. If she was sugarhammi we would have to lynch her twice to out her, unless Rem absorbs the kill, ...so complicated!

[Turnip Head]

I honestly don't know how to defend myself either. But, I will try to answer any and all questions to the best of my ability.

You're admittedly in a very crappy spot right now. I don't even know what sorts of questions to ask you. I don't want it to be true, but I have no reason not to trust L