Death Note Mafia [END]

[Elohcin]

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

[DharmaHelper]

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

Did you seriously just say you're trying to vote for L?

[FZ.]

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

Why?

[zeek]

I agree, but I got a GoC flashback when I read that post.

linki - You're trying to vote L?

[Elohcin]

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

Did you seriously just say you're trying to vote for L?

[FZ.]

I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.

Did you seriously just say you're trying to vote for L?

Haha, I didn't even notice that.

[DharmaHelper]

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

[Spacedaisy]

No one answered my question regarding what the case was on Made and DH encouraged someone to make a case on him, so I went back and read his posts. This only takes into account things he has said, not anything SB that others have said about him though. That would require a word search of the thread that I don't have time for at the moment. Here is what stood out to me.

High posting could be beneficial as it would probably force Kira to be more active, thus eliminating the likelihood of a baddie flying under the radar. But in the downside it could encourage people lynching high posters which seems counterproductive to the spirit of the game.

holy crap good call.
I think this right here is the best possible situation for us. While L/Light sound interesting, baddies can't fly under the radar if they need to talk to be able to save their teammates.


that all said i need to read the rest of the thread, but i think this is a very solid point.

His first post he jumped on something I said while ignoring the downside of what I said. In fact I had said I thought it was a bad idea, but he latched onto it as if it were a good idea.

I think I'm going to go l/Light just because hopefully the system will lead to Chaos and confusion that will lead to mistakes.

Yeah, this makes no sense. And his explanation vote followed...

I think I'm going to go l/Light just because hopefully the system will lead to Chaos and confusion that will lead to mistakes.

Because when people think in-thread chaos and confusion, the first thing that comes to mind is a civvie advantage.

It does for me

I personally live longer when know one has a clue what's going on, and the same seems to be true for a few other players. It give players a more even footing skill wise, and rewards deduction and communication in thread. Inconsistencies with logic are put on blast, and mafia is killed for such inconsistancies. This is even more true when mafia are just as unfamiliar with the system as civvies are. The situations DH listed being examples of this. Sure the list won't be public knowledge, but when people aren't being lynched that are winning the poll by popularity, questions will arise-- difficult questions.

Confusion does not usually yield logic, so I don't think this explanation made much sense. I am going to out this down to Made feeling like people find him illogical and confusing so he was hoping to be less likely to get lynched straight out if everyone was stuck in confusion.

Ok, I'm going to be suicidal, but as a jumping off point, isn't reasonable to assume that L, Light, and Ryuk voted the Light/L option on the day 0 poll?

As cued from the fact that DH is currently(or previously depending on when i post this..) cooking something, I'm going to flesh out this idea abit....

DharmaHelper (4), thellama73 (5), Made (9), Turnip Head (13), birdwithteeth11 (14), Long Con (15), AceofSpaces (21), Boomslang (22), Spacedaisy (25) 31%

OK so that's 9 people. It should be noted that the tide did in fact turn quite hard After SVS and Epi placed their votes, so let's put all the above in context

DH- I'm not even going to quote anything for him, He put together a very strong argument for L/Light which he fleshed out completely with Boo. While DH is one of the better players Ik, i could see it being very difficult to create a solid case while knowing the ins and outs of the system and know he has an advantange. He would be forced to carefully ignore all damning elements of the system for civvie, which i'd assuming would cloud his ability to make a sound post. If any player could pull this off, it would be DH, but I doubt it

thellama- the post that sticks out to me in my head for him in particul-- Oh. ok so i went back to look for the post where Llama flip flopped

I can see both sides of it. I'm happy with my vote, but won't be disappointed if normal lynch wins either.

but holy crap did Th flip flop....... not sure if i even want to continue this post...... I'll look at the rest, but damn...

This post interests me because though he himself voted for the Light/L option he was going after those voters. What better wa to look like you were just plain a misguided vote than look at those who voted the same way you did, especially if the tide seemed to be rolling that way at the time. Looking blendy from where I sit.

And Re Epi:

My major issue with this post is that you are adding win conditions to the civilians. "They also need justice to prevail" is not an objective win condition.

All I have to say in response is: The options are written the way they are for specific reason.

Responses from MP like the above make me think that "Justice prevail" and "utopia" might have meanings in the grand scheme of things. That said, I think we shouldn't speculate too much on what those could possibly mean.

Ok this is weird. Why would we not want to speculate on what a caddie is trying to achieve? I mean, ifhe more we know about their goals and their mechanics, the more information we can gather based on in thread behavior, votes, night actions, etc. Or am I just thinking about this wrong?

Catching up, page 30/45. But I felt the need to comment on this.

Looking back Epi, you suspected FZ because of her absence as well, saying she is probably bad with SD. But FZ has since contributed quite a bit (though she did miss the lynch), and you never updated your suspicion to something current. If you did, then I can't find it.

I don't share your assessment of FZ. I think she has since posted a lot, but the content is not what I associate with good FZ. Good FZ. has a certain tenacity and assurance. She is a focused civilian, one that has proven dangerous to Mafia. I am not seeing that here.

We're definitely not on the same page. Whether or not it's constructive, FZ has contributed of late. Whether you think she's bad or good, you put her in a tough spot by suspecting her for 'being absent'. Same with Russ. Their continued absence will increase the suspicion of them. Also, if they do get around to talking, they'll be under the magnifying glass for being a previous target. It's a lose-lose situation for them.

Now, I do agree with your current observations of FZ. I also earlier missed this post on her, so your vote is more clear to me.

Now, if I may ask. Why do you think it is not foolish to vote someone on Day 1 who does not post on Day 1, but you still wanted to wait until Russ posted to vote for him?

Here's the thing-- and call this whatever you want, even if i were saying this with ulterior motives i'm still right-- I would be in the perfect position if i were a baddie this game. In the last 8 pages I read catching up, i was mentioned once, and it was a joke in passing. We need to make sure players like me or FZ seen above aren't slipping through the cracks. I'm not saying to vote low poster, but maybe general mindfulness of low post to content ratio?

Continuing to catch up...

This is either a ballsy move by a baddie or Made just is not bad. I mean, he brought HIMSELF a up because his name hadn't been mentioned. I have literally never seen someone do this before.

I assume this is the biggest bulk of the case against Made. i can't see why anyone would agree to this plan. If you ask me, this post makes him look like a yotsuba more than anything else. He apparently feels no affiliation to either side. Very weird.

And I am confused as well about Yotsuba. Do they need to be deaded for the detectives to win? And Kira wins when the detectives are gone (so says page 1) but what about Yotsuba for them. MP can you clear this up?

This is all I can say regarding each faction's win conditions:

Detectives (12)

Detectives win when all killers (Kiras) have been stopped and justice has prevailed.

Yotsuba Group (7)

While Higuchi possesses a Death Note, every night all members of Yotsuba decide on whom Kira should kill. They do not share BTSC by default. Members of Yotsuba Group win by ??????.

Kira and His Sympathizers (7)

Unlike typical baddie teams, these roles do not all share BTSC by default. See individual roles for publicly known BTSC information. Kira and His Sympathizers win when Kira has eliminated the Detectives and subsequently starts his utopian New World.

IF a win condition is fulfilled, is the game over?

Very good question.

Not necessarily, no.

ok, This is going to ruffle a lot of feathers.....

What if we try to kill all the Kiras, then kill all the detectives? This way, the Detectives win, then most of the Kira supporters win.[/No one answered my question regarding what the case was on Made and DH encouraged someone to make a case on him, so I went back and read his posts. This only takes into account things he has said, not anything SB that others have said about him though. That would require a word search of the thread that I don't have time for at the moment. Here is what stood out to me.

High posting could be beneficial as it would probably force Kira to be more active, thus eliminating the likelihood of a baddie flying under the radar. But in the downside it could encourage people lynching high posters which seems counterproductive to the spirit of the game.

holy crap good call.
I think this right here is the best possible situation for us. While L/Light sound interesting, baddies can't fly under the radar if they need to talk to be able to save their teammates.


that all said i need to read the rest of the thread, but i think this is a very solid point.

His first post he jumped on something I said while ignoring the downside of what I said. In fact I had said I thought it was a bad idea, but he latched onto it as if it were a good idea.

I think I'm going to go l/Light just because hopefully the system will lead to Chaos and confusion that will lead to mistakes.

Yeah, this makes no sense. And his explanation vote followed...

I think I'm going to go l/Light just because hopefully the system will lead to Chaos and confusion that will lead to mistakes.

Because when people think in-thread chaos and confusion, the first thing that comes to mind is a civvie advantage.

It does for me

I personally live longer when know one has a clue what's going on, and the same seems to be true for a few other players. It give players a more even footing skill wise, and rewards deduction and communication in thread. Inconsistencies with logic are put on blast, and mafia is killed for such inconsistancies. This is even more true when mafia are just as unfamiliar with the system as civvies are. The situations DH listed being examples of this. Sure the list won't be public knowledge, but when people aren't being lynched that are winning the poll by popularity, questions will arise-- difficult questions.

Confusion does not usually yield logic, so I don't think this explanation made much sense. I am going to out this down to Made feeling like people find him illogical and confusing so he was hoping to be less likely to get lynched straight out if everyone was stuck in confusion.

Ok, I'm going to be suicidal, but as a jumping off point, isn't reasonable to assume that L, Light, and Ryuk voted the Light/L option on the day 0 poll?

As cued from the fact that DH is currently(or previously depending on when i post this..) cooking something, I'm going to flesh out this idea abit....

DharmaHelper (4), thellama73 (5), Made (9), Turnip Head (13), birdwithteeth11 (14), Long Con (15), AceofSpaces (21), Boomslang (22), Spacedaisy (25) 31%

OK so that's 9 people. It should be noted that the tide did in fact turn quite hard After SVS and Epi placed their votes, so let's put all the above in context

DH- I'm not even going to quote anything for him, He put together a very strong argument for L/Light which he fleshed out completely with Boo. While DH is one of the better players Ik, i could see it being very difficult to create a solid case while knowing the ins and outs of the system and know he has an advantange. He would be forced to carefully ignore all damning elements of the system for civvie, which i'd assuming would cloud his ability to make a sound post. If any player could pull this off, it would be DH, but I doubt it

thellama- the post that sticks out to me in my head for him in particul-- Oh. ok so i went back to look for the post where Llama flip flopped

I can see both sides of it. I'm happy with my vote, but won't be disappointed if normal lynch wins either.

but holy crap did Th flip flop....... not sure if i even want to continue this post...... I'll look at the rest, but damn...

This post interests me because though he himself voted for the Light/L option he was going after those voters. What better wa to look like you were just plain a misguided vote than look at those who voted the same way you did, especially if the tide seemed to be rolling that way at the time. Looking blendy from where I sit.

And Re Epi:

My major issue with this post is that you are adding win conditions to the civilians. "They also need justice to prevail" is not an objective win condition.

All I have to say in response is: The options are written the way they are for specific reason.

Responses from MP like the above make me think that "Justice prevail" and "utopia" might have meanings in the grand scheme of things. That said, I think we shouldn't speculate too much on what those could possibly mean.

Ok this is weird. Why would we not want to speculate on what a caddie is trying to achieve? I mean, ifhe more we know about their goals and their mechanics, the more information we can gather based on in thread behavior, votes, night actions, etc. Or am I just thinking about this wrong?

Catching up, page 30/45. But I felt the need to comment on this.

Looking back Epi, you suspected FZ because of her absence as well, saying she is probably bad with SD. But FZ has since contributed quite a bit (though she did miss the lynch), and you never updated your suspicion to something current. If you did, then I can't find it.

I don't share your assessment of FZ. I think she has since posted a lot, but the content is not what I associate with good FZ. Good FZ. has a certain tenacity and assurance. She is a focused civilian, one that has proven dangerous to Mafia. I am not seeing that here.

We're definitely not on the same page. Whether or not it's constructive, FZ has contributed of late. Whether you think she's bad or good, you put her in a tough spot by suspecting her for 'being absent'. Same with Russ. Their continued absence will increase the suspicion of them. Also, if they do get around to talking, they'll be under the magnifying glass for being a previous target. It's a lose-lose situation for them.

Now, I do agree with your current observations of FZ. I also earlier missed this post on her, so your vote is more clear to me.

Now, if I may ask. Why do you think it is not foolish to vote someone on Day 1 who does not post on Day 1, but you still wanted to wait until Russ posted to vote for him?

Here's the thing-- and call this whatever you want, even if i were saying this with ulterior motives i'm still right-- I would be in the perfect position if i were a baddie this game. In the last 8 pages I read catching up, i was mentioned once, and it was a joke in passing. We need to make sure players like me or FZ seen above aren't slipping through the cracks. I'm not saying to vote low poster, but maybe general mindfulness of low post to content ratio?

Continuing to catch up...

This is either a ballsy move by a baddie or Made just is not bad. I mean, he brought HIMSELF a up because his name hadn't been mentioned. I have literally never seen someone do this before.

I assume this is the biggest bulk of the case against Made. i can't see why anyone would agree to this plan. If you ask me, this post makes him look like a yotsuba more than anything else. He apparently feels no affiliation to either side. Very weird.

And I am confused as well about Yotsuba. Do they need to be deaded for the detectives to win? And Kira wins when the detectives are gone (so says page 1) but what about Yotsuba for them. MP can you clear this up?

This is all I can say regarding each faction's win conditions:

Detectives (12)

Detectives win when all killers (Kiras) have been stopped and justice has prevailed.

Yotsuba Group (7)

While Higuchi possesses a Death Note, every night all members of Yotsuba decide on whom Kira should kill. They do not share BTSC by default. Members of Yotsuba Group win by ??????.

Kira and His Sympathizers (7)

Unlike typical baddie teams, these roles do not all share BTSC by default. See individual roles for publicly known BTSC information. Kira and His Sympathizers win when Kira has eliminated the Detectives and subsequently starts his utopian New World.

IF a win condition is fulfilled, is the game over?

Very good question.

Not necessarily, no.

ok, This is going to ruffle a lot of feathers.....

What if we try to kill all the Kiras, then kill all the detectives? This way, the Detectives win, then most of the Kira supporters win.

This is weird too... Here he seems like he is talking against voting for TH or Russ:

quote]

Random thought during AP Lit: While I kinda agree with it, isn't it kinda a cough out to vote TH and Russ? gonna check something....

Yeah, what i figured, there's a few ways this could go down. TH and Russ very easily could be any of the 4
L-Town
Kanzo Mogi – One of the most dedicated members of the Japanese Task Force, but also one of the most reserved(Russ? It would fit into the idea of a high poster to have an alternative low poster maybe?). (Secrets)

Hirokazu Ukita – Perhaps the most emotional member of the Japanese Task Force, Ukita is nonetheless absolutely determined to catch Kira, and does not hesitate to demonstrate passionate, admirable bravery.( Th Demonstrating passion by posting every other post?) (Secrets)


Light's Squad
Teru Mikami (X Kira) – As a devoted worshiper of Kira, Mikami has a strong sense of justice and feels evil absolutely must be punished. He adheres to a very strict, daily schedule. (Russ only posting at a certain time each cycle.)

Hitoshi Demegawa – A very greedy man who feeds off of publicity, Demegawa is director of Sakura TV. If L dies, Demegawa asserts himself as Kira’s spokesman and constantly rallies for Kira supporters to participate in various violent acts of protest.(TH posting often to gain publicity?) (Secrets)

Yeah, ik it's speculation, but if we're considering killing them, then we should have something a little more substantial than "oh he's acting funny"

thought the lynch was in an hour...... ok.

I really am not trying to stay under the radar, I'm just trying to get into the game. If i were trying to stay under the radar, i wouldn't talk about how lost i've been this game.

For real, I'm trying. Before you vote for me please read this post.

Has Made posted at all during this day cycle? I don't think he has.

he has not

Has Made posted at all during this day cycle? I don't think he has.

Can you blame him?

No, but it is a little weird to see 22 players alive and only 12 posting. Are puzzles really that scary?

it's not the puzzle, it's just the size of the game. I'll probably continue saying this until everyone dies(or people lynch me for saying it everytime I post ), but this is a fast moving, and intimidating game.
That said, I want to contribute, so here's contributions:

I am going to take the initiative and vote DharmaHelper now. I think he's disingenuous, and I think he's gone after me for sloppy reasons.

having not seen the show, i don't get the "episode 18" stuff you're referring to, but didn't you just say you thought DH was a detective, or at least might be?

Yeah... that puzzle was a metic butt-ton of work. Y'all should be celebrating the puzzle solvers, not accusing them of trying to distract or seem helpful. That thing was a nightmare.

I disagree.

i disagree sorta kinda not really.... I see puzzle solving as a neutral activity from anyone who

How many times will DharmaHelper have to fuck you over before you learn when he is a liar?

Largest ping i've had all game. The strongest memory I have of Epig is from Monty python( or was it doctor who....) where he was killed, brought back to life and immediately began developing strong arguments against Enrique. This post, and post like it don't feel like much of an argument, more of a just mudslinging under the guise of baddie hunting.

My ears are ringing.

Also, I hate to do something over simplified but Russ' very strict daily schedule is making me increasingly paranoid and unless someone changes my mind between now and tomorrow afternoon I am probably going to vote for him.

I agree something weird is here, but i don't think voting is the answer, yet anyways...

I can think of exactly one person who looked like he was trying to appear helpful regarding the puzzles. It's my buddy Made:

A tip that might help for future puzzles: Phrasing is often similar in roles specifically, so looking for patterns might help.

This was after we were already balls deep in the puzzle. This post screams "Look at me trying to help!" more than any posts from the genuine puzzle solvers.

Well I mean this was exactly what I was doing... Didn't have time to catch up at the time, so i tried saying something so I wasn't 100% useless/absent


Because these are fun (and easy):Pretty pink!

I. Hate. Decoding. I suck at it and I don't bother trying. I'm grateful for the work you all did, and now we can focus on the lynch.

Epi: other than a couple small things, I've found him to be the most logical voice in the thread. i don't see myself voting for him.I disagree, I'd say most logical goes to Bea. For me, the aggression i've come to know from Epi is there, but i find myself unable to get where he's coming from a lot of the time.

DH: I think DH and Epi are tunnel vision where each other are concerned. If one of the two is bad I would believe it of DH before Epi, but I don't see it here either.Vice versa for me. In GoC I figured he was bad very early on, but he's playing a very different game here. Just gonna keep watching this one

TH: I have flipped back and forth so often, but it comes down to this... If any of the people who seem to be implying that they are or simply playing like they are Shinigami, TH is the one I most believe could be pulling the wool over our eyes. He is a much more masterful player than this and even though I used to think he was wanting to be lynched, I've come to the point now where I think it was a ploy and am ready to lynch him.The highest poster theory is an interesting one. I don't remember who suggested it, but there might be merit here, and if we need someone to lynch, it's always a place we could go, along with Russ.

Bea: I have not seen anything that stands out as bad from bea to me, but it is true she would kill SVS. I don't know about LC though. I just don't feel confident in a vote for her yet. I've agree with Bea the most by far this game( also she and Ninjabloop are really good at cutting through my bs) so iunno. I'm keeping my eye here because i know she wasn't lynched in Monty Python till people decided to start lynching the most trustworthy people

Made: what is the case for Made? I think I missed this one.Tldr: I show up in thread right before the lynch happens, say something shifty and leave. I'm a short enough read where you can decide if that's true or not on your own

Russ: his absence yet again makes me willing to vote him. It was fishy the first time around and is again now. have we had other silencings so far? Or could this be his role mechanic for some reason?none that i noticed. I'm thinking role, but not sure what it could possibly mean

I need sleep. Night guys.

Made I need a hug my brother help me out

you know the faces that the smiles make before they hug kind make me feel a little off

And now it's 2:30 am and I have school tomorrow ... I'll be back before the lynch.

After thought: I can't remember who it is who gets pinged really hard when i post all sarcastic like. This post will probably light them up like a Christmas tree.
something something Smiley Theorem

I just need more time.

But then in this above post he seems to imply Russ or TH would be a good place to look at placing a vote. Flip flop, for no particular reason I could see.


All that said, I could see placing a vote on Made at some point because he seems rather slippery. However, I am still going to place my vote on ELo today. Because of L's message. As others have pointed out, it may give us an inidication of how much certainty L has when he receives info. This could affect how I view his messages going forward.

Votives ELo.

[zeek]

Err, yeah, Elo... you should try harder to look civ!

Happy with my vote, night guys

[Elohcin]

Err, yeah, Elo... you should try harder to look civ!

Happy with my vote, night guys

I obviously have no reason now.

[Black Rock]

Err, yeah, Elo... you should try harder to look civ!

Happy with my vote, night guys

I obviously have no reason now.

[Epignosis]

Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.

I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.

[Russtifinko]

Here's what he has to say:

"If you have knowledge that comes from your role power, and not the thread, or if you want to fake that knowledge, please remember to utilize actual reasons. Do NOT indicate that your role or some power has given you knowledge, ever."

Given that I would say you can fake knowledge.

Really? I got exactly the opposite from this, actually. It seems the same standard that applies to real info also applies to fake.

Not relevant to the game at hand, but an important discussion to have IMO.

On the other hand, I don't think L's post is necessarily info dumping. It's a role power designed to communicate with the thread, as opposed to a player posting. So as I understand it, it seems as if L has very little power to build a case at all, and is only able to communicate these brief percentages. Furthermore, it went through the host. I am a hardliner against info dumps, and I really can't see why people are upset about this.

[Russtifinko]

DH - Little things really. Like your last comment on L's post being poorly done. I could see that coming from an annoyed baddie. Just little things, not enough for me to vote for you in the future.

TH - Epi has equally worried me and made sense to me. Whatever role he has I'd be shocked if it's Kira. Same with MM tbh, I find myself agreeing with him more often than not however.

So you're already committed to never voting DH?? That's weird.

I agree re: Boomslang that he's getting way ahead of himself. Also, can someone please tell me why we would ever want to try lynching TH again? He's been incredibly blatant about not minding it. Best case scenario seems to me that we out an unkillable role that we don't need dead to win and waste a lynch. That's very little return on investment, if you ask me.

I think people just need to stop letting him get under their skin. No offense TH, you rock as a player, and I think it's commendable that so many people have wanted to keep you feeling involved in the game and were against ignoring you. I just don't think we should be taking your direction on where to look for Kira until we get some indication you care about finding them.

[Russtifinko]

And why is nobody talking about the fact that LYNCHING TH PUT ANOTHER DEATH NOTE IN CIRCULATION????

That seems like something people might want to notice. And, since only one type of being has Death Notes (I'll give you a hint - it rhymes with "Hello, Mommy"), that's more evidence that lynching TH again would be a gigantic waste of time.

[Marmot]

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

[Turnip Head]

Russ... what are you talking about? 0_0

[juliets]

Yeah Russ you know what? Now that I come back and read it again you're right. FZ said the same thing I think.

[Russtifinko]

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

.....but Elo has now outed herself, so.....

Linki: Thanks, juliets! Right about what?

[Marmot]

And why is nobody talking about the fact that LYNCHING TH PUT ANOTHER DEATH NOTE IN CIRCULATION????

That seems like something people might want to notice. And, since only one type of being has Death Notes (I'll give you a hint - it rhymes with "Hello, Mommy"), that's more evidence that lynching TH again would be a gigantic waste of time.

Please tell us more.

[juliets]

Russ, you're right about that interpretation of MP's rule about infodumping. I read it wrong the first time.

[Elohcin]

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

.....but Elo has now outed herself, so.....

Linki: Thanks, juliets! Right about what?

no no....don't say that. I didn't out myself. I was never even clear on my reasons for voting the person I voted. I was VERY careful not to go against the rules.

[Ricochet]

And why is nobody talking about the fact that LYNCHING TH PUT ANOTHER DEATH NOTE IN CIRCULATION????

That seems like something people might want to notice. And, since only one type of being has Death Notes (I'll give you a hint - it rhymes with "Hello, Mommy"), that's more evidence that lynching TH again would be a gigantic waste of time.

wat

[Marmot]

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

.....but Elo has now outed herself, so.....

Linki: Thanks, juliets! Right about what?

That's what I get for making comments while I'm still catching up.

Linki: Regardless of your alignment Elo, I know what you mean. Since you can't really win anymore (assuming you get lynched), then you have no reason to be pro-detective.

[Russtifinko]

Russ, you're right about that interpretation of MP's rule about infodumping. I read it wrong the first time.

Oh! Gotcha.

And uhhh MM....more about what?

Linki: Sorry, Elo. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of breaking the rules. However, after you took over 50% of the votes, you admitted to attempting to vote for L. I would assume to pick L out for Kira, which leads to the deduction that L is right and you're a Sympathizer. So you didn't role out yourself, but it's clear that you are bad.

Which raises the point of why MM would be questioning L after you posted that.

Also, I echo others' thoughts that you played it extremely well, even though L got you in the end.

Linki again: but MM, players can win while dead in this game....

[Turnip Head]

Lynching me did not put another Death Note in circulation. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

[Marmot]

I don't remember civilians ever being able to win if they are dead. And in this case, I will regard the detectives as civilians.

[Turnip Head]

That's what I get for making comments while I'm still catching up.

Feeling increasingly good about my vote.

I'm not. It just occurred to me that L might not be coming up with his own percentages, but they are generated by MP, and L comes up with his own conclusion. Sorry if someone else already said this.

DH's comment that you replied to came after Elo said she was voting for who she believed was L. Did you read the thread out of order?

[Ricochet]

I find myself agreeing with llama on this. Don't see any different type of kills, just that Ace was the only player almost confirmed civ, so probably the best option for a kill.

As for giving up the note, I know it's probably there on the first page, but I'm short on time and would appreciate the help for when I come back later: What happens if Kira gives up the note? Does he ever get it back or does he just becomes like a Kira supporter? I get that he can't be lynched or something. Is that for the rest of the game, or just once? Would it be a good strategy to give up that note for a Kira?

Don't know if FZ. is still around, but: what did you mean by Aces having been the only player almost confirmed civ? I don't remember anyone saying that about him or anything he did pointing out at that.

[Marmot]

Oh, but I guess that doesn't account for baddies and other alignments. Well, whatever.

Linki: @TH Yes I did. That post from DH was the first on the new page.

[zeek]

DH - Little things really. Like your last comment on L's post being poorly done. I could see that coming from an annoyed baddie. Just little things, not enough for me to vote for you in the future.

TH - Epi has equally worried me and made sense to me. Whatever role he has I'd be shocked if it's Kira. Same with MM tbh, I find myself agreeing with him more often than not however.

So you're already committed to never voting DH?? That's weird.

You enlargened the wrong part. Fixed it for you. Those little things aren't enough for my to vote for him in the future, meaning after today - because I've voted Elo. Pretty meaningless if I said they're not enough to vote for him now.

Also, I don't understand why TH being lynched has caused another Death Note

[juliets]

Now, on a lighter note, dead players may win this game so long as their win condition is fulfilled.

This^^ is what MP said at the beginning of the game about winning when you are dead.

[Marmot]

Russ, you're right about that interpretation of MP's rule about infodumping. I read it wrong the first time.

Oh! Gotcha.

And uhhh MM....more about what?

Linki: Sorry, Elo. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of breaking the rules. However, after you took over 50% of the votes, you admitted to attempting to vote for L. I would assume to pick L out for Kira, which leads to the deduction that L is right and you're a Sympathizer. So you didn't role out yourself, but it's clear that you are bad.

Which raises the point of why MM would be questioning L after you posted that.

Also, I echo others' thoughts that you played it extremely well, even though L got you in the end.

Linki again: but MM, players can win while dead in this game....

More about this new Death Note going into circulation.

And per Eloh, well, playing the obvious baddie is not 'outing yourself'.

[Marmot]

Now, on a lighter note, dead players may win this game so long as their win condition is fulfilled.

This^^ is what MP said at the beginning of the game about winning when you are dead.

Thanks, and thankfully I can rule out my original thought.

[Ricochet]

I'm going to also go with L's call in the end and vote for Elo. I'm not sure that what L did was an official or allowed outing, because his secrets haven't been revealed and there's not much known about whether L at some point receives more certain results from his checking or what kind of likelihood/percentages is he working with. I'm also not sure I can go with FZ's idea that L actually did a subtle outing on Elo being (a) Kira by saying there's 0% chance she can be - this reminds me that the first thing I asked, when L's first message came about Russ standing at 4% or something like that, was if we should trust this as an actual likelihood or as L telling us it's actually the other way around (like just L in the show did), but at that point nobody seemed to have that in mind or want to treat L's percentange as anything but how they were stated. My only good interpretation of L's message is that he managed to read more into or pick up something about Elo. I myself still cannot find more in her posts beside the three things could have drawn suspicion on her, but maybe L managed better deductions. We'll find out if that's true, obviously.

[juliets]

Rico would you give a quick overview about how L uses percentages in the show? If it was explained earlier it has flown right out of my head.

[Ricochet]

Rico would you give a quick overview about how L uses percentages in the show? If it was explained earlier it has flown right out of my head.

This has been said by the writer of the manga

Whenever L gives percentages to indicate how much he suspects a person of committing a crime, such as "five percent", in reality he means over 90 percent; Ohba said about L, "The truth is, he's a liar [laughs]".

Also, much of the time, at least in the anime, L stated this "five percent chance of being Kira" only about Light.

[juliets]

Thanks Rico that was really helpful.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

Russ flying by with that statement about another Death Note and then leaving again doesn't ease my suspicions. I'm voting Elo though.

[Spacedaisy]

So I was caught in linki before I had to run out and pick up MP. I was in a rush to get my post up and vote in case I wasn't back in time. So I did not see ELo had actually said she was trying to vote L, lol. Glad I voted her for sure now. That being said...

And why is nobody talking about the fact that LYNCHING TH PUT ANOTHER DEATH NOTE IN CIRCULATION????

That seems like something people might want to notice. And, since only one type of being has Death Notes (I'll give you a hint - it rhymes with "Hello, Mommy"), that's more evidence that lynching TH again would be a gigantic waste of time.

What? Did I miss something in the roles that says trying to lynch a shinigami puts a death note in circulation? I'm not sure where this is coming from.

[Russtifinko]

Day 4: Super Turnip Bro.

THELLAMA73: Turnip Head, you change your mind too much!
TURNIP HEAD: Do I?
THELLAMA73: Also, you love puzzles more than catching Kira. That makes you bad.
TURNIP HEAD: Does it?
THELLAMA73: Yep. I feel good about this lynch.

Sockface prepared to write Turnip Head's name in the Lynch Note. Turnip Head started laughing.

EPIGNOSIS: Why are you laughing?
TURNIP HEAD: No reason.

Suddenly, Turnip Head grabbed a giant turnip from the ground SMB2-style and chucked it at Sockface.

Sockface screamed in terror as he was knocked over by the turnip. Turnip Head quickly snagged the Death Note.

TURNIP HEAD: Yep. Just call me Captain Turnip Head: Survivor of Lynches.
DHARMAHELPER: How about no?


No one has been lynched.

It is now Night 4.

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.

Now I get why no one has been talking about this; no one noticed it but me, I guess.

zeek, thanks of the response.

MM, two things:

1) The host has confirmed that civs can win while dead in this game.
2) You're dodging the point of my argument about your Elo feeling. You said you didn't feel good about your vote more or less immediately after Elo made it blindingly obvious she was bad.

Why are you arguing obvious, proveable points? And why don't you feel good about voting obvious baddies? You are pinging me something fierce today, friend.

[Zombarella]

I am going to vote for Elochin because I want to trust L. If Elo flips Detective, then I will be really disappointed in L and I will have a hard time trusting him/her in the future.

[Tangrowth]

Another Death Note has not been put in circulation; that was merely for story. Sorry for the confusion.

[Ricochet]

Another Death Note has not been put in circulation; that was merely for story. Sorry for the confusion.

Thing is, no one was confused in any way by that, except for Russ who decided flavour storylines are now game indicative.

[DharmaHelper]

rekt m8

[Marmot]

Day 4: Super Turnip Bro.

THELLAMA73: Turnip Head, you change your mind too much!
TURNIP HEAD: Do I?
THELLAMA73: Also, you love puzzles more than catching Kira. That makes you bad.
TURNIP HEAD: Does it?
THELLAMA73: Yep. I feel good about this lynch.

Sockface prepared to write Turnip Head's name in the Lynch Note. Turnip Head started laughing.

EPIGNOSIS: Why are you laughing?
TURNIP HEAD: No reason.

Suddenly, Turnip Head grabbed a giant turnip from the ground SMB2-style and chucked it at Sockface.

Sockface screamed in terror as he was knocked over by the turnip. Turnip Head quickly snagged the Death Note.

TURNIP HEAD: Yep. Just call me Captain Turnip Head: Survivor of Lynches.
DHARMAHELPER: How about no?


No one has been lynched.

It is now Night 4.

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.

Now I get why no one has been talking about this; no one noticed it but me, I guess.

zeek, thanks of the response.

MM, two things:

1) The host has confirmed that civs can win while dead in this game.
2) You're dodging the point of my argument about your Elo feeling. You said you didn't feel good about your vote more or less immediately after Elo made it blindingly obvious she was bad.

Why are you arguing obvious, proveable points? And why don't you feel good about voting obvious baddies? You are pinging me something fierce today, friend.

The Sockface has been writing names in a lynch note this whole time. This is not a new development.

I already told you I had not seen Elo's post as of yet. How many times do I have to answer that question?

[Elohcin]

Another Death Note has not been put in circulation; that was merely for story. Sorry for the confusion.

Thing is, no one was confused in any way by that, except for Russ who decided flavour storylines are now game indicative.

Maybe after seeing that L was allowed to share my alignment freely in the thread, Russ thought that it would be possible that MP was sharing info in his stories.

[Matahari]

I voted Eloh, but I still need to catch up.

[Spacedaisy]

Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.

I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.

Epi I don't understand this post. You are voting boo for being inconsistent? Is that what I am understanding?

[Tangrowth]

A little less than 40 minutes in Day 5 and just 2 votes missing.