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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I find certain people suspicious of different things. As I am most likely getting lynched today, I feel I must vote for the player I think dropped "info" about me. Problem is...I keep going back and forth between BR and FZ, hence the reason I keep getting FZ and zomb mixed up. I thought I finally decided on BR, but then FZ's most recent comment makes me think her.
Did you seriously just say you're trying to vote for L?
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:I am going to vote for Elochin because I want to trust L. If Elo flips Detective, then I will be really disappointed in L and I will have a hard time trusting him/her in the future.
Sorry. I just finished reading the thread and realized that this post (that I made when I voted) is pointless.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.
boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.
:eye:

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.
Epi I don't understand this post. You are voting boo for being inconsistent? Is that what I am understanding?
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:I find myself agreeing with llama on this. Don't see any different type of kills, just that Ace was the only player almost confirmed civ, so probably the best option for a kill.

As for giving up the note, I know it's probably there on the first page, but I'm short on time and would appreciate the help for when I come back later: What happens if Kira gives up the note? Does he ever get it back or does he just becomes like a Kira supporter? I get that he can't be lynched or something. Is that for the rest of the game, or just once? Would it be a good strategy to give up that note for a Kira?
Don't know if FZ. is still around, but: what did you mean by Aces having been the only player almost confirmed civ? I don't remember anyone saying that about him or anything he did pointing out at that.
It was in L's note to the thread a few days ago.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.
boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.
:eye:

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.
Epi I don't understand this post. You are voting boo for being inconsistent? Is that what I am understanding?
And in protest. :meany:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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@DH, I'm really liking where you are going with the idea that Light did not kill Aces :rip:. The targets and timing are certainly different. I have been doing a little bit of research and I'm thinking that maybe the note passed from a more experienced player to a less experienced player.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.
boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.
:eye:

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.
Epi I don't understand this post. You are voting boo for being inconsistent? Is that what I am understanding?
And in protest. :meany:
Protest of what?
Yes, I think boo is mightily inconsistent and I think he is bad. I've said so before.

My protest was against L. I don't agree with his "presentation of the facts" as it were.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Ok, gotcha Epi. Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:I find myself agreeing with llama on this. Don't see any different type of kills, just that Ace was the only player almost confirmed civ, so probably the best option for a kill.

As for giving up the note, I know it's probably there on the first page, but I'm short on time and would appreciate the help for when I come back later: What happens if Kira gives up the note? Does he ever get it back or does he just becomes like a Kira supporter? I get that he can't be lynched or something. Is that for the rest of the game, or just once? Would it be a good strategy to give up that note for a Kira?
Don't know if FZ. is still around, but: what did you mean by Aces having been the only player almost confirmed civ? I don't remember anyone saying that about him or anything he did pointing out at that.
It was in L's note to the thread a few days ago.
Please point out, in that case, where L said Ace is "almost confirmed civ".
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:@DH, I'm really liking where you are going with the idea that Light did not kill Aces :rip:. The targets and timing are certainly different. I have been doing a little bit of research and I'm thinking that maybe the note passed from a more experienced player to a less experienced player.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [POLLS]

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DAY 5

Who is Kira?

Poll ended at Mon Mar 02, 2015 7:07:16 pm


AceofSpaces
0
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Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes
bea
0
No votes
Black Rock
1
Elohcin (17) 4%
boo
1
Epignosis (19) 4%
Boomslang
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No votes
DharmaHelper
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No votes
DisgruntledPorcupine
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No votes
Elohcin
17
Turnip Head (2), Russtifinko (3), DharmaHelper (5), thellama73 (8), Boomslang (9), Metalmarsh89 (10), juliets (11), zeek (12), Black Rock (13), FZ. (14), bea (15), boo (16), Spacedaisy (18), Ricochet (20), DisgruntledPorcupine (21), Zomberella12 (22), Matahari (23) 74%
Epignosis
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FZ.
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juliets
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Made
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No votes
Matahari
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Metalmarsh89
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Ricochet
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No votes
Russtifinko
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Spacedaisy
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thellama73
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Turnip Head
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zeek
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Zomberella12
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A real jerk! (host, deadies, nons)
4
MovingPictures07 (1), Roxy (4), Golden (6), AceofSpaces (7) 17%
Total votes : 23
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Day 5: L Loves Cakes, but Hates the Cake Maker

MADE: L thinks you're bad.
TURNIP HEAD: Say it ain't so, Elo.
ELOHCIN: I don't know why L thinks that! He's wrong!

Sockface was about to write Elohcin's name in the Death Note.

ELOHCIN: Don't do it!!! I'll bake you a cake, L, whoever you are! Please!!! Just tell them you're wrong about me!!!

Sockface wrote down her name. Roughly 40 seconds later, Elochin collapsed to the ground, dying of a heart attack. Somewhere among the players, L was smiling. Cake was tempting, he thought to himself, but there's nothing as tasty as justice.


Elohcin has been lynched. She was Kiyomi Takada.

It is now Night 5.

You have 24 hours to send in your night actions.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Oh yay.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Woo!
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Not even someone that would possibly be an inactive Kira. L's message gave me the impression she may become Kira down the road. Not the worst lynch result though.

Linki: mm, what? You are unhappy a Kira sympathizer is dead?
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
"Ugh"

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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Spacedaisy wrote:Not even someone that would possibly be an inactive Kira. L's message gave me the impression she may become Kira down the road. Not the worst lynch result though.

Linki: mm, what? You are unhappy a Kira sympathizer is dead?
No, but regarding Light's girlfriends, I much prefer Takada over Misa. :srsnod:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Yeah I was really hoping for Misa or Mikami. Oh well.

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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?! She was bad and lynching her eliminates the possibility of additional baddie BTSC. It could have turned out better, but is was still good.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Not even someone that would possibly be an inactive Kira. L's message gave me the impression she may become Kira down the road. Not the worst lynch result though.

Linki: mm, what? You are unhappy a Kira sympathizer is dead?
No, but regarding Light's girlfriends, I much prefer Takada over Misa. :srsnod:
Not really a smooth save.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?!
C'mon go easy on the guy, he just lost a teammate to role outing :bighug:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Gotham has taken a rather horrific turn. :scared:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Well, we at least now know L's message was trustworthy which will help me feel more comfortable in the future with what s/he says. Goodbye Elo, I couldn't read you at all so good job.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [DAY 5]

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Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:Well, Eloh it is.

Was it just me, or did Boomslang's autopilot comment raise any eyebrows though? Setting up the next lynch before the current one is even over does not inspire trust.
boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.
:eye:

I'm voting for boo.

And boo to L, even if you are right. I hope your feet cramp up and you choke on a macaroon.
Mine was a joke-y hope. His was flat out saying he's already decided how the next lynch should go down and that it's obvious. Specifically saying the lynch should run on autopilot is what concerns me.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?! She was bad and lynching her eliminates the possibility of additional baddie BTSC. It could have turned out better, but is was still good.
Yes... so what's wrong with saying RIP?
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Epignosis wrote:Gotham has taken a rather horrific turn. :scared:
Never watched it, due to getting awful reviews.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Also, this lynch could mean more puzzle-making on its way... :P
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Epignosis wrote:Gotham has taken a rather horrific turn. :scared:
Hush you, I can't watch til LC gets home.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Turnip Head wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?!
C'mon go easy on the guy, he just lost a teammate to role outing :bighug:
If it's a note that is delivered to the thread by the host it isn't role outing. It is just part of the game. I don't feel bad for the baddies. L is a brilliant detective who did some brilliant detective work and found a target. Get over it.

linki @ MM - nothing is wrong with saying RIP to your Kira sympathizer girlfriend ;)
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?!
C'mon go easy on the guy, he just lost a teammate to role outing :bighug:
If it's a note that is delivered to the thread by the host it isn't role outing. It is just part of the game. I don't feel bad for the baddies. L is a brilliant detective who did some brilliant detective work and found a target. Get over it.

linki @ MM - nothing is wrong with saying RIP to your Kira sympathizer girlfriend ;)
No, that's Epi's girlfriend. Please don't cause any unneeded controversy. ;)
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Zomberella12 wrote:If it's a note that is delivered to the thread by the host it isn't role outing. It is just part of the game. I don't feel bad for the baddies. L is a brilliant detective who did some brilliant detective work and found a target. Get over it.
My post was tongue-in-cheek Zomberella, I think you took it more seriously than I intended :P
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Bye all! It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Turnip Head wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:If it's a note that is delivered to the thread by the host it isn't role outing. It is just part of the game. I don't feel bad for the baddies. L is a brilliant detective who did some brilliant detective work and found a target. Get over it.
My post was tongue-in-cheek Zomberella, I think you took it more seriously than I intended :P
Possibly. I'm just having PTSD from the Donner Infodumping scandal of 2015. :omg:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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I'm pretty pleased with that lynch result; definitely encourages trust in L and in the freedom MP is giving him to reveal the results of his investigation. It's not a Kira per se, but reducing the options for Team Kira is certainly desirable.

Regarding my earlier post on "autopilot" lynches, I admit that was a flippant and too-strong choice of wording. I do feel somewhat strongly about trying another lynch on TH, but on rereading the roles, I guess we have to wait until we're sure another Death Note has entered the game. I think he's hinting at being Shinigami but may actually be Higuchi (who is invincible until he gets his note).

Notable to me is Zomba's strong reaction to MM after this latest result. Just like with the Snowman lynch, she's really trying to claim civvie cred.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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thellama73 wrote:Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
Second time she played an MP game and got screwed by forced out of her control. In Bioshock, she was Kyle Fitzpatrick.
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Booms, is this the comment from Zomba where you feel she's trying to claim civvie cred or was it some other comment?

Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?! She was bad and lynching her eliminates the possibility of additional baddie BTSC. It could have turned out better, but is was still good.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
Second time she played an MP game and got screwed by forced out of her control. In Bioshock, she was Kyle Fitzpatrick.
Maybe MP just hates your wife. :shrug:
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
Second time she played an MP game and got screwed by forced out of her control. In Bioshock, she was Kyle Fitzpatrick.
Maybe MP just hates your wife. :shrug:
No. Sander Cohen and L do. Assholes.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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juliets wrote:Booms, is this the comment from Zomba where you feel she's trying to claim civvie cred or was it some other comment?

Zomberella12 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ugh, Takada is dead and Misa is still roaming.

RIP Eloh.
RIP?! She was bad and lynching her eliminates the possibility of additional baddie BTSC. It could have turned out better, but is was still good.
Both that one and the following:
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Spacedaisy wrote:Not even someone that would possibly be an inactive Kira. L's message gave me the impression she may become Kira down the road. Not the worst lynch result though.

Linki: mm, what? You are unhappy a Kira sympathizer is dead?
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Ok, thanks boomslang. I don't really see the claiming civ cred part but she was aggressive in her response to MM.
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Re: Death Note Mafia [NIGHT 5]

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Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
Second time she played an MP game and got screwed by forced out of her control. In Bioshock, she was Kyle Fitzpatrick.
If I counted the times I've been screwed by out of control forces...

I know it sucks, I felt bad with my vote, but it happens. I know I sit on an unpopular side of the fence, but I believe this is part of the game. I feel bad for both Eloh and L.
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Black Rock wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well I am pretty pleased with this result. I know it isn't Kira, but I consider any chance to whittle down the Sympathizer team time well spent. BIH Eloh.
Second time she played an MP game and got screwed by forced out of her control. In Bioshock, she was Kyle Fitzpatrick.
If I counted the times I've been screwed by out of control forces...

I know it sucks, I felt bad with my vote, but it happens. I know I sit on an unpopular side of the fence, but I believe this is part of the game. I feel bad for both Eloh and L.
True, on the flip side, if L keeps 'outing civvies', it brings Kira closer to his objective.
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Black Rock wrote:If I counted the times I've been screwed by out of control forces...
Story time!

Once upon a time in Dead Like Me mafia, I was the serial killer role, and I had a unique twist. On Night 1, I had to choose all my targets for the next 4 nights. If all 4 of those kills went through, on Night 5 I would get to kill 4 players at once.

With a bit of luck, all my 4 kills went through, and I was looking forward to the big payout.

On Day 5 however, LC was getting lynched. He was a baddie, and with his last dying breath, he outed me as the serial killer. He was completely bluffing, he had no idea what my role was. He was talking out of his ass completely. But he said it with such certainty that most players believed him even though he was lynched as a baddie only moments later.

There was a civvie role in the game that could "steal" a player's power and use it for themselves. The player with this role was bigsimpsin, and I think somehow everyone knew he was this role? and of course he picked me that night. I had just been labeled a serial killer, why wouldn't he?

He killed 4 people at once, confirmed that I was the killer, and I promptly got lynched right after LC.

I was so sad.
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LOL, awesome story, TH. :haha:
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The moral of the story is that fake info dumping is a strategy that can absolutely work (sometimes with hilarious results depending on your perspective), but only if real infodumping is also allowed. It's a tricky subject to tackle, I can see both sides of it.
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Turnip Head wrote:
Black Rock wrote:If I counted the times I've been screwed by out of control forces...
Story time!

Once upon a time in Dead Like Me mafia, I was the serial killer role, and I had a unique twist. On Night 1, I had to choose all my targets for the next 4 nights. If all 4 of those kills went through, on Night 5 I would get to kill 4 players at once.

With a bit of luck, all my 4 kills went through, and I was looking forward to the big payout.

On Day 5 however, LC was getting lynched. He was a baddie, and with his last dying breath, he outed me as the serial killer. He was completely bluffing, he had no idea what my role was. He was talking out of his ass completely. But he said it with such certainty that most players believed him even though he was lynched as a baddie only moments later.

There was a civvie role in the game that could "steal" a player's power and use it for themselves. The player with this role was bigsimpsin, and I think somehow everyone knew he was this role? and of course he picked me that night. I had just been labeled a serial killer, why wouldn't he?

He killed 4 people at once, confirmed that I was the killer, and I promptly got lynched right after LC.

I was so sad.
I really enjoyed this story.
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