Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

[juliets]

[Zombarella]

Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

How about silly rabbit?

ADJECTIVE

adjective: silly · comparative adjective: sillier · superlative adjective: silliest
having or showing a lack of common sense or judgment; absurd and foolish:
"another of his silly jokes"
synonyms: foolish · stupid · unintelligent · idiotic · brainless · mindless · witless · imbecilic · doltish · imprudent · thoughtless · rash · reckless · foolhardy · irresponsible · mad · scatterbrained · featherbrained · frivolous · giddy · vacuous · inane · immature · childish · puerile · empty-headed · crazy · dotty · scatty · loopy · wingy · ditzy · screwy · thick · thickheaded · birdbrained · pea-brained · dopey · dim · dimwitted · halfwitted · dippy · blockheaded · boneheaded · lamebrained · daft · chowderheaded · tomfool · unwise · imprudent · thoughtless · foolish · stupid · idiotic · senseless · mindless · rash · reckless · foolhardy · irresponsible · injudicious · misguided · irrational · crazy · daft


“Hallo, Rabbit,” Zomberella12 said, “is that you?”
"Let’s pretend it isn’t,” said Rabbit, “and see what happens.”

"Sorry, Rabbit," replied Zombarella. "I know that it's you. I can see your ears."

[Bass_the_Clever]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

[Zombarella]

Dom? I haven't seen much of Dom.

The more I think on it, the more I feel like Aces is the right vote for me to make. His reaction to my weak suspicion feels like a baddie reaction. My reasons for this are:

1) It reminds me of times in the past where baddies are annoyed that their day one lynch was for some daft thing they don't feel they did (anyone remember BLLs constant calling out of people on day 0 or day 1 minutiae?). Aces is focussed on the idea that the bandwagon idea is bullshit - which, to be honest, I really don't think it is in principle, whether he was doing it or not - and I think he is focussed on it because he feels that genuinely isn't why he voted for the porter, and because he doesn't want his baddie game to come down for such a poor reason. I've seen it happen a few times before.

2) The strong language, some of it emotive, used in his posts towards me to guide suspicion on me haven't helped my view of him - 'useless poll', 'bullshit theory', 'scapegoat' - it's all stuff that I think comes out when you are bad, not when you are good. It goes well beyond 'I'm not bad' to trying to actually discredit that my idea could have any merit and suggesting that I'm deliberately setting out to get civvie cred and create scapegoats.

3) His ambiguous seed dropping against me - "Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful". Plus, I mean, whats a civvie supposed to do? Not try and find any reason why people are suspicious?

4) His double standard - either the way someone acts in relation to the poll can be suspicious, or it can't. I have trouble seeing how when it applies to him day 0 conduct is meaningless, but when it applies to me its meaningful.

For these reasons, I'm voting Aces. I can't vote MM for his conduct when I have someone I genuinely think is bad.

Wow! This is a really good analysis. I think I like you Golden.

[Zombarella]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

It's a different kind of argument from the one Golden made but I like this one too.

[Golden]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

[Golden]

I should clarify that I meant MP made me think this isn't MM's 'baddie' tactic... it's just a thing we should try to fix.

[Bass_the_Clever]

as for golden vs. aces. I really don't know these players styles so its hard for me to judge, but a lot of times when I see stuff like this on day one its civ vs civ so I going to sit back for now and see if anything jumps out at me.

[Zombarella]

Okay - I went back and reread Aces and I get Golden's argument, against him, but he seems more mad than bad. Didn't someone say that they both seemed civ? Who was that?

[Zombarella]

linki - oh, there it is again!

[Bass_the_Clever]

alright well I got to vote now. So I'm voting MM.

[Zombarella]

I should clarify that I meant MP made me think this isn't MM's 'baddie' tactic... it's just a thing we should try to fix.

Well, maybe it isn't his signature baddie tactic but it is anti-civ. I really wanted him to come participate in the game. Maybe his water heater broke...

[Golden]

I'll add to this, because I think I should get this out in case something goes wrong.

Aces was around the thread and on the site plenty after he stopped posting. Eventually he backed off, hoping that suspicion of him died away and if he let it go I would stop posting about him and the lynch would go another way.

Shortly after, MP comes in and starts pushing for an MM lynch. He takes the heat off Golden v Aces (he doesn't see anything there), and makes several pushes to lynch MM. He doesn't vote for MM, but Aces does.

If Aces is bad, I think MP has done a very classic team tactic to get the heat off Aces and put it on someone else. If we were to lynch Aces today and he's bad, we'd do well to back it up with MP tomorrow.

[rabbit8]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

[Golden]

I agree rabbit. I'm trying to dissuade people voting that way.

[rabbit8]

I agree rabbit. I'm trying to dissuade people voting that way.

I know you do. It's a strange day we agree on anything. I notice clever jumped right in on MM too.

[juliets]

rabbit you are thinking of voting for me for my MM vote or for something else?

[Marmot]

Oh look at that, people are voting for me because I self-voted. Guess I'll have to look into this.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

I'm voting that way because he did it last game we played and was bad. So how is it a pointless endeavor?

[Golden]

Oh look at that, people are voting for me because I self-voted. Guess I'll have to look into this.

What were you thinking???

(I think you should guarantee you will stop doing it!)

[rabbit8]

rabbit you are thinking of voting for me for my MM vote or for something else?

I hoped you would ask. Yes your flip flopping ways that lead to your vote on MM has me concerned. The timing is there for a baddie to try to slip in and because someone else started the whole conversation it leaves a trail right back to LC, that son of a......

Though admittedly it's not much. But as day 1 goes, it could be enough. I really want to hear from BF before I make any actual decision.

[rabbit8]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

I'm voting that way because he did it last game we played and was bad. So how is it a pointless endeavor?

Those sentences where not a knock at you if you actually have a reason to vote for him. If you think he is bad more power to you. Following the conversation before commenting helps though... :P

Does he have the same role he had in that game? Has he ever been lynched as a civvie after a self vote?

[Bass_the_Clever]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

I'm voting that way because he did it last game we played and was bad. So how is it a pointless endeavor?

Those sentences where not a knock at you if you actually have a reason to vote for him. If you think he is bad more power to you. Following the conversation before commenting helps though... :P

Does he have the same role he had in that game? Has he ever been lynched as a civvie after a self vote?

I get what you are saying.

[Elohcin]

I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Hmmm...

You know...this makes sense. Llama is a player that likes to test the waters. He likes to make a bold move just to see what the reaction may be. Me? I'm not a bold enough player to make such moves.

Zomb first posted (after being voted for) at 4:58pm. Llama posted his vote for her at 1:51pm. When she came into the thread, her post and situation read genuine to me. She'd been busy with RL water heater crappiness. I, for one, understand things breaking down. Our heat went out twice this winter. Today its hot outside and so I put the air on and the air conditioner doesn't seem to be working now. And...we just spend over $200 on our car this past weekend. I am going to vote llama. I think he could have shown better effort to find someone who was exhibiting baddie qualities. I think that he didn't try is suspicious.

[juliets]

rabbit you are thinking of voting for me for my MM vote or for something else?

I hoped you would ask. Yes your flip flopping ways that lead to your vote on MM has me concerned. The timing is there for a baddie to try to slip in and because someone else started the whole conversation it leaves a trail right back to LC, that son of a......

Though admittedly it's not much. But as day 1 goes, it could be enough. I really want to hear from BF before I make any actual decision.

My flip flopping was me changing my mind based on the fact that Zombrella showed up and then llama said something that made me back off of him. MM became a true consideration once he self voted and i backed off llama, i can't remember in which order those things happened without looking back. I'll have to look back at how the conversation about MM started and progressed and I may see what you mean by the timing for a baddie to try and slip in. Note also that it wasn't just the self vote on MM - his posts have been either jokey or have brought no thoughts about who could be a baddie to the table imo.

[Zombarella]

@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

[Zombarella]

^^ Man! My grammar and punctuation has really gone down the tubes!

[thellama73]

@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

I have never played with him before, but I think so. Golden is okay by me so far.

[rabbit8]

FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

[Golden]

@zombie - I'm not saying it is pointless. I'm just trying to dissuade people from lynching someone for their conduct (which they are known to do both as civvie and bad) when I think there is a real baddie on the table. I'm also hoping it's done enough to drive the point home to MM. I don't really know his playstyle so I don't know what we would or wouldn't be losing. But also, I tend to think when assets get lynched early they get rezzed. I know there is no guarantees, but...

Also, I just called out MP as bad and llama has never played with me. You should ask rabbit, sophie, splints, bf, BR, LC, juliet if they think my vote is legit. They know me and I haven't called out any of them.

[Golden]

And bea and dom too. I know I've played with canuck but I don't think very often.

[fingersplints]

@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

I feel like you are defending Aces way too much. How much have you played with Aces? What makes him a "huge asset" over llama or MM?

[rabbit8]

@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

I have never played with him before, but I think so. Golden is okay by me so far.

Good or bad that's a legit vote. That dude will get tunnel vision 95% of the time. To his credit he had a good nose for baddies, but he is rusty I would think.

[Golden]

@rabbit - is there a reason you are not considering an Aces vote?

@rabbit - rusty? My best civvie performances were my earliest, before I got to know people and it blinded my vision with playstyle.

[Marmot]

Golden: One of the people making the largest effort so far, even if I think his Day 0 theory is bullshit. Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful. A useless day 0 poll would fit that need quite handily.

Easy to call the poll useless after the fact.

I called it useless during the fact as well.

Ah yes, the expected response. But during the fact, it was your perspective. After the fact, it's a FACT... and one you used emotively to try to paint me as suspicious.

Because the way you treated it was suspicious, Golden.

You had a whole list of people pegged as mafia all based on a day 0 poll. Can you not see how I'd find that odd?

Still catching up and things. Responding as I go.
So you're saying that is only a baddie move, or are you just miffed that you're on that list.

Also, @Golden. I never actually explained my vote either, just pointed out my original thoughts. Why didn't you pursue me?

I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Imo, that's one of the sillier reasons I always hear. Who pays attention to BTSC, but not the thread itself?

I am REALLY bothered by the fact that MM gets away game after game self-voting; this is like the 5th game in a row. A self-vote is literally the worst vote a civilian can cast, and MM has made no effort to even wait until the time is up to try and find a baddie. At least if he randomized he'd have a chance to catch a baddie.

Silly MP, that is not true at all. I voted for SVS on Day 1 in GoC, I voted for TH on Day 1 in Death Note, and I voted for Lon Con on Day 1 in Donner.

[Golden]

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

[juliets]

FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

I unwittingly voted early. I usually never do but this time I was confused about the time and even about the day as you can see in my posts. I understand if you think you have enough to say I'm bad but i have to say you've got the wrong read on me.

[Zombarella]

@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

I feel like you are defending Aces way too much. How much have you played with Aces? What makes him a "huge asset" over llama or MM?

Alright, I guess "huge asset" was an exaggeration. I mean, that he at least seems to be trying to play. So...."If Aces flips civ, then we will lose a more helpful player."

[rabbit8]

@rabbit - is there a reason you are not considering an Aces vote?

@rabbit - rusty? My best civvie performances were my earliest, before I got to know people and it blinded my vision with playstyle.

I've considered it. But I've also seen you railroad a few players in the early game. Some have panned out and some have not. My main concern is I actually knew from the past Aces did not care for day 0 polls. I hosted him a few times. That argument seems to be what triggered this whole thing. His replies to you where strong worded, but that's your opinion, not mine. You seem to think he's after you, but I don't really see it. I see him putting you poll 0 fail in your face for giving him so much grief.

To your second point, I really can't remember the finer points of that. I remember Goldenvision!!! Though, you are an amazing civvie and I hope you're one in this game.

[Zombarella]

Also, I just called out MP as bad and llama has never played with me. You should ask rabbit, sophie, splints, bf, BR, LC, juliet if they think my vote is legit. They know me and I haven't called out any of them.

Hey yeah all you guys. How about Golden?

Thanks Rabbit for your insight.

[Elohcin]

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

I couldn't have come back to catch up and vote in the Day 0 poll any sooner than I had. AND...when I voted, I didn't click the "show results" button before I voted. SO...I have no idea so many had already voted that way before me.

[Marmot]

Llama's behavior has been more jokey and less serious baddie hunting than I'd like from him, but I'm not ready to consider voting him for it just yet either.

I'm trying something different. Can't let myself get too predictable, can I?

I would have voted for MM, but I cast my vote before he cast his.

Am I being too predictable?

Well, exactly, which is why historically I've never voted for MM for self-voting, even though I express this every time. It's getting old though. And as LC pointed out, MM has been baddie and pulled this stunt in Film Directors, and I think he must have been bad in at least one other game of the 5(?) recent games that he's self-voted, but I can't recall.

Oh, an by the way, Film Director was a different story. I was literally walking out the door for a camping trip when the Day 1 poll went up.

I think fs actually pegged me really well. I am being deliberately cautious in my wording, because I don't want to be lynched the first day.

Otherwise, I'm voting aces. His side of the golden argument rubbed me the wrong way. I'm at a game night and can't guarantee I'll be around to vote later.

MP still doesn't bother me too much, but I hope he focuses his attention elsewhere, because he's wrong about his hunch.

The self vote bothers me. But I am following my gut, I always do.

I agree with your actions here.

[Zombarella]

@zombie - I'm not saying it is pointless.

Hold up. Someone said it was pointless. Going to investigate!

[rabbit8]

FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

I unwittingly voted early. I usually never do but this time I was confused about the time and even about the day as you can see in my posts. I understand if you think you have enough to say I'm bad but i have to say you've got the wrong read on me.

Ah, so you don't usually do that but you did.

I think I remember how to catch baddies. If I'm wrong, Ill let you smack LC, deal?
Don't worry about BR she's to busy Recruitment planning to notice you gave LC a black eye.

[thellama73]

I think Zombrella's "huge asset" comment was weird too. I mean no offense, old chum, but Aces has always struck me as a player who more or less blends in. I don't know why Zombrella would have said that.

[Dom]

Hey guys, I'm at the top of page 4 right now. I'll catch up ASAP

[Golden]

@zombie - I'm not saying it is pointless.

Hold up. Someone said it was pointless. Going to investigate!

Rabbit used the word pointless and said 'you may as well self vote'

I agreed with him that a vote for MM isn't the best may to go. I didn't mean I agreed that it was pointless. I do agree, though, that the point of it doesn't seem to be to catch a baddie - it is to encourage a change in behaviour. I'd rather catch a baddie.

[Golden]

And now I've really stuck my neck out for MM, he will probably be lynched, flip bad and I'll look bad

I actually kinda do think MM is a civ. He reads that way to me. I just want him to know that self-voting is not ok.

[Marmot]

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.

[Marmot]

Let me try this again.

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

Thanks Golden.

I wasn't sure if things were going to get rolling this game, so I self-voted to kick-start discussion. I don't regret it. I think we can learn some things from this. Juliets' vote for example.

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

So she makes this post at 2:32 PM (PST)

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.