Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

[Tangrowth]

Also, the problem with rabbit (if you don't know him) is that he always sounds like a baddie, and deliberately so. It makes it so easy for people to go 'oh, thats just rabbit', when he is genuinely bad.

But so far I feel like what I've seen from rabbit is not giving me any pings.

(oh, and rabbit might be Stupid. But he definitely ain't stupid. He is one FEB).

Really? Rabbit is one of the players that seems most like he's genuinely baddie hunting to me. Maybe it's because he also finds BF suspicious and I think his observation re: juliets was noteworthy, but I don't see a baddie at all in what he's been saying.

I'll add to this, because I think I should get this out in case something goes wrong.

Aces was around the thread and on the site plenty after he stopped posting. Eventually he backed off, hoping that suspicion of him died away and if he let it go I would stop posting about him and the lynch would go another way.

Shortly after, MP comes in and starts pushing for an MM lynch. He takes the heat off Golden v Aces (he doesn't see anything there), and makes several pushes to lynch MM. He doesn't vote for MM, but Aces does.

If Aces is bad, I think MP has done a very classic team tactic to get the heat off Aces and put it on someone else. If we were to lynch Aces today and he's bad, we'd do well to back it up with MP tomorrow.

This is an interesting theory, but it's wrong because I'm not bad.

You misunderstand me. I was not pushing an MM lynch. I expressed my thoughts not only about MM but about every other player about whom I had thoughts. I said I intended to vote BF or MM, but I thought my intention was that I was leaning more toward a BF vote because I actually find his behavior more suspect. Re-read what I've said and let me know if you think that was not the case.

You say I saw nothing between you and Aces and that is true. I haven't played with you or Aces in a long time, and I'm accustomed to Aces being quiet and not aggressive. I saw him aggressive in Death Note, and I won't elaborate since the game is ongoing and I have inside knowledge, but inevitably that influences my viewpoint of him. I don't have a read on either of you at the moment. How is that taking the heat off of you and Aces?

Now, with that said, I do find MM's self-vote and leave trick counterproductive, and while I do think a vote for him is based on principle (as rabbit astutely observed), but I also think a vote for him made sense in-game as well. If someone is going to vote out the player on D1 who had contributed little to baddie hunting, surely MM would be a candidate.

I don't understand how I was the one pushing an MM lynch when many players latched onto the comment made by LC. I merely expressed my thoughts about self-voting and MM's lack of baddie hunting.

I am a bit shocked how many folks voted for MM, but I don't see why they shouldn't have. It does make me a bit nervous though, especially Aces, who I was almost certain was going to vote for you.

Silly MP, that is not true at all. I voted for SVS on Day 1 in GoC, I voted for TH on Day 1 in Death Note, and I voted for Lon Con on Day 1 in Donner.

Don't discredit me like I've told a lie.

I do recall that now, but that's because votes were changeable. You voted yourself, IIRC, before you ended up voting for all of those players. Except Death Note, actually, but I wasn't thinking of that game since it's still ongoing.

[Zombarella]

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

Rabbit! You said it was pointless...

[juliets]

to rabbit: That's right. In fact i questioned llama's early vote today and was going to vote for him for it. But his was way early. I think mine was just a few hours early. Still though, it was early for me I squarely admit.

linki metalmarsh

[Zombarella]

I think Zombrella's "huge asset" comment was weird too. I mean no offense, old chum, but Aces has always struck me as a player who more or less blends in. I don't know why Zombrella would have said that.

Dang it Llama! Why ..... I can't even.

[Marmot]

And here juliets is, hours later, continuing to discuss, even though she had already voted, AFTER she said she would hold off on her vote to discuss.

[nijuukyugou]

I've gotta head to trivia in a few minutes, so I'll vote before I go. I'm going for MM - my gut says yes, his self-vote says yes, and his nonchalant attitude towards his gathering votes says yes. I disagree that voting based on behavior should be discouraged - plenty of people get caught based on behavior, and it's much better than randomizing.

Holy good God I gotta go. I was trying not to do this in a rush but lost track of time talking to the mother

[juliets]

Let me try this again.

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

Thanks Golden.

I wasn't sure if things were going to get rolling this game, so I self-voted to kick-start discussion. I don't regret it. I think we can learn some things from this. Juliets' vote for example.

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

So she makes this post at 2:32 PM (PST)

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.

You're saying I'm bad because I miss-estimated the time I had explained why I was voting for you? How does that make me bad? And how does it make me blendy - I explained my vote I didn't just jump in there and vote for no reason. I think this is a big NO U.

[rabbit8]

I really don't like MM's self vote I think LC pointed out that he did it in flim director mafia and was bad.

On the other hand, MP pointed out he has done it about five times in a row.

I think a vote for MM is a vote against this anti-civvie tactic, not a genuine baddie catching vote.

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

Then a vote for MM is in fact a pointless endeavor. You may as well be self voting if you are voting on principal or against a tactic.

I don't know him so I will vote where I think a baddie is. Maybe BF or Juliets..........

Rabbit! You said it was pointless...

Context, learn to use it.

[rabbit8]

Let me try this again.

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

Thanks Golden.

I wasn't sure if things were going to get rolling this game, so I self-voted to kick-start discussion. I don't regret it. I think we can learn some things from this. Juliets' vote for example.

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

So she makes this post at 2:32 PM (PST)

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.

You're saying I'm bad because I miss-estimated the time I had explained why I was voting for you? How does that make me bad? And how does it make me blendy - I explained my vote I didn't just jump in there and vote for no reason. I think this is a big NO U.

If it's not a No U he for sure took my case and added quotes, lol.

[Tangrowth]

Also, other thoughts:

Golden, in addition to what I said before, this is WIFOM-based so take it as you will, but as a baddie my MO is to throw my teammates under the bus. I have a really hard time defending my teammates. I've done both, naturally, and it depends on the situation, but your theory assumes that I would act in the latter fashion, and to tell you the truth I just don't do that much as a baddie.

I don't know what to think of the "asset" comment by Zomba. I don't really think there's anything to it though. IIRC, the only game Zomba has played with Aces was Death Note, and Aces was really aggressive out of the gate there.

I found juliets's vote for MM a bit strange myself; that's why I asked her about her thoughts on Llama since she seemed to drop them so quickly. That said, I've been wrong about juliets before, and I don't feel strongly about her at this moment in time.

I'm still willing to vote BF or MM, and I'm still leaning the former.

[Zombarella]

Let me try this again.

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

Thanks Golden.

I wasn't sure if things were going to get rolling this game, so I self-voted to kick-start discussion. I don't regret it. I think we can learn some things from this. Juliets' vote for example.

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

So she makes this post at 2:32 PM (PST)

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.

@MM - I am impressed. This is a pretty good case. Now who's the huge asset?

[rabbit8]

Let me try this again.

@metal - I ddin't like that you voted without explanation, but unlike aces and eloh, you voted before I had written a case about why I didn't think it was the porter. What pinged me most was the two votes that came in for the option that was already in the lead after I had shared my doubts.

Thanks Golden.

I wasn't sure if things were going to get rolling this game, so I self-voted to kick-start discussion. I don't regret it. I think we can learn some things from this. Juliets' vote for example.

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

So she makes this post at 2:32 PM (PST)

Now that Zomba has shown up and is behaving like I would expect her to behave that leaves MM for me (llama I hear what you're saying i would just need more evidence to vote for that reason). I don't think I need to repeat what people have said about self-voting but I don't want it said I don't put my thoughts in the thread so I'm voting MM because he self voted and that is worse than randomizing if you are a civ because you know you are not guilty. I know it's hard to find someone that has done something hinky on day 1 but we all have to do it.

In addition, his posts outside of day 0 were either jokey or not contributing to the thread. Surely you have an opinion about one of the things we talked about.

Voting for yourself is something a baddie would do to not have to take sides in a situation like we have today. At least thats the way I see it.

There is still plenty of time so I will wait to make sure nothing else comes up that would change my opinion.

Followed by this one at 3:11 PM (PST).

I'm also going to go ahead and vote for MM because of the reasons I put forth a couple of hours ago.

Well, 40 minutes isn't quite a couple hours. That aside, the timing of her vote with the reasons she gave reads to me like a blendy vote. Take what you will from it, but juliets is my strongest suspicion thus far.

@MM - I am impressed. This is a pretty good case. Now who's the huge asset?

Me obviously.

[juliets]

And here juliets is, hours later, continuing to discuss, even though she had already voted, AFTER she said she would hold off on her vote to discuss.

I'm discussing because rabbit is asking me questions. Are baddies the only ones in the thread after they vote? And i already explained voting early to rabbit.

[Marmot]

Silly MP, that is not true at all. I voted for SVS on Day 1 in GoC, I voted for TH on Day 1 in Death Note, and I voted for Lon Con on Day 1 in Donner.

Don't discredit me like I've told a lie.

I do recall that now, but that's because votes were changeable. You voted yourself, IIRC, before you ended up voting for all of those players. Except Death Note, actually, but I wasn't thinking of that game since it's still ongoing.

But it was a lie. In my last 5 games (including this one) I only self-voted in two of them, and I already explained my reasoning for the one. You said I have self-voted in my last 5 games. I was pointing out that was entirely not true.

Linki: goodness

[thellama73]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

[Marmot]

And here juliets is, hours later, continuing to discuss, even though she had already voted, AFTER she said she would hold off on her vote to discuss.

I'm discussing because rabbit is asking me questions. Are baddies the only ones in the thread after they vote? And i already explained voting early to rabbit.

I don't see how that is relevant since your original perception of the deadline was actually accurate. Sure you were confused (I see that), but you voted before you became confused.

[Tangrowth]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

Zomberella seems like herself to me; I don't really have any glaring read on her yet.

Can you summarize why you think she's bad or is it just the asset comment? I can't recall.

[Golden]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

[Zombarella]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

What?!? Why?

[Zombarella]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

Zomberella seems like herself to me; I don't really have any glaring read on her yet.

Can you summarize why you think she's bad or is it just the asset comment? I can't recall.

FINE! Llama is a HUGE ASSET! There.

[Marmot]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

FINE! Llama is a HUGE ASSET! There.

Fixed

[Zombarella]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

FINE! Llama is a HUGE ASSET! There.

Fixed

Thank you for being braver than me

[Tangrowth]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

How do you feel about BF? I think you said he seemed OK, but I am curious what you're thinking right now.

Oh, okay, thanks for elaborating. I know what you mean; I additionally find it odd that so many have decided to vote MM. That said, I can see where they're coming from, so I suppose it makes me feel less paranoid.

Which MM voters do you feel are saving someone?

And I understand completely re: tunnel vision, so I'm trying to be more cautious in my playstyle. I suppose we'll see whether your aggression or my attempt to tame my aggression is more successful. Lol.

[Golden]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

I was going for Aces.

[rabbit8]

I think Zombrella's "huge asset" comment was weird too. I mean no offense, old chum, but Aces has always struck me as a player who more or less blends in. I don't know why Zombrella would have said that.

Rereading I saw this. I must have missed it before. I agree that's how he was in the past. I remember playing with Aces and he never really stood out. But he has stood out this game to me so I thought he had maybe changed. But is him standing out only because of Golden? If you argue with Golden or he gets you in his sights you will stand out.


So now I have to fucking reread Golden and Aces.

I hate llamas.........

[Tangrowth]

Rabbit, if it helps, Aces played Death Note almost exactly as he has now, and he helped lynch a civilian. He was NKed, so his alignment is unknown.

[Zombarella]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

What does the bold underlined part mean? "...the save is going in" ? [A legit question - not a dig]

[rabbit8]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

Zomberella seems like herself to me; I don't really have any glaring read on her yet.

Can you summarize why you think she's bad or is it just the asset comment? I can't recall.

FINE! Llama is a HUGE ASSHAT! There.

Fixed.

[AceofSpaces]

I'll add to this, because I think I should get this out in case something goes wrong.

Aces was around the thread and on the site plenty after he stopped posting. Eventually he backed off, hoping that suspicion of him died away and if he let it go I would stop posting about him and the lynch would go another way.

Shortly after, MP comes in and starts pushing for an MM lynch. He takes the heat off Golden v Aces (he doesn't see anything there), and makes several pushes to lynch MM. He doesn't vote for MM, but Aces does.

If Aces is bad, I think MP has done a very classic team tactic to get the heat off Aces and put it on someone else. If we were to lynch Aces today and he's bad, we'd do well to back it up with MP tomorrow.

Well hell Golden. I don't know why I even bother. You obviously live inside my head.

Maybe I just walked away because arguing with you was frustrating. Maybe I'm tired of you imposing your own thoughts onto my actions. Maybe I just don't have the mental endurance to keep tell you you're wrong. I'm not one of those players who spends five pages arguing back and forth. It's clear your stuck in your way. Whatever.

I went to go watch Horrible Bosses 2, by the way. It was funny.

[Marmot]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

I was going for Aces.

Since Aces had no votes at the time, there's not really an argument there.

Linki: I like this rabbit.
If anything, Bass and/or ninjabloops would be guilty of that.

[Golden]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

[thellama73]

MP, do you think people should vote for Zombrella? Will you vote for Zombrella? Will you embark on a ruthless Zombrella fatwa until she is lynched?

Zomberella seems like herself to me; I don't really have any glaring read on her yet.

Can you summarize why you think she's bad or is it just the asset comment? I can't recall.

FINE! Llama is a HUGE ASSET! There.

That's all I'm asking for. Was that so hard?

[Black Rock]

FYI, some work stuff came up today and I'm flying out to China Saturday morning so there will possibly be a 14 - 17 hour period I don't post and my posting time will reverse for two weeks. I will have internet at hotel, I'm hoping at the job site as well, but who knows.


link: JC, I understand, somewhat. And I'm not defending MM in anyway. If you think he is bad I think you should vote for him. The timing of it does not sit right with me. Sliding in there after it's been brought by another player after changing your mind rather quickly and not waiting to vote is just odd to me, since you are here posting right now. Had you not been able to get here to vote closer to the close of the poll I would understand more.

In fact I think I might be typing myself into voting for you. Why did you vote so hastily when Clever and a few others had not even really weighed in? Your vote is just there smiling baddie to me.

I unwittingly voted early. I usually never do but this time I was confused about the time and even about the day as you can see in my posts. I understand if you think you have enough to say I'm bad but i have to say you've got the wrong read on me.

Ah, so you don't usually do that but you did.

I think I remember how to catch baddies. If I'm wrong, Ill let you smack LC, deal?
Don't worry about BR she's to busy Recruitment planning to notice you gave LC a black eye.

This truly made me laugh out loud. I had to look over my shoulder to see if you were in my house.


Another note is what Rabbit says about Golden is ever so true. He is a master player, if he's civ he's one to listen to. I have had a hard time figuring out is baddie game though.

I'm not all the way caught up, but I will be soon.

Oh and Rabbit that dead red post you made, I didn't quote and I am not going back to find it but.... That's EXACTLY how I picture you playing Mafia.

[Golden]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

I was going for Aces.

Since Aces had no votes at the time, there's not really an argument there.

Linki: I like this rabbit.
If anything, Bass and/or ninjabloops would be guilty of that.

For someone whose ass I'm sticking my neck on the line to save, you aren't being very helpful.

[Zombarella]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

Oh, okay. I get it now.

[Tangrowth]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

But rabbit and I have both expressed intent to vote BF, correct?

I see your point, but I don't know; I think I'd rather vote with where I felt most comfortable rather than for either Aces or MM because they have the most votes currently. It's impossible to truly predict how all of the people who haven't voted yet will vote.

[rabbit8]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

Oh, son. Let me tell you some shit. What better to do than get civvies arguing over two civvies? Nothing. And JC was not getting any heat until now. Her vote she thought was safe, that's why she made it, nub.

[thellama73]

Juliets does seem kind of bad this game, but juliets has one of the most impossible to read baddie games ever, so I doubt she actually is.

Lynch Rabbit... I mean Zombrella! No, wait. I don't know what I mean...

[Tangrowth]

That said, MM has clearly done himself no favors, and part of me is still tempted to vote for him, but nonetheless I don't think I'm changing my mind at this point. Regarding in-game suspicions, I find BF most suspicious, even if MM is a close second. I do think the discussion on juliets has been interesting, but she would be a very distant third at the moment, and so it makes no sense to put my vote there.

Votes blindfaeth

[Zombarella]

Or lynch one!

[Golden]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

Oh, son. Let me tell you some shit. What better to do than get civvies arguing over two civvies? Nothing. And JC was not getting any heat until now. Her vote she thought was safe, that's why she made it, nub.

And she is safe. No way will she get enough votes to be lynched.

[juliets]

I did not think my vote was safe. No vote is safe as far as I'm concerned. I voted MM because of his self vote and his posts. That was it.

[Marmot]

Ugh. I don't like it when I feel like a lynch is slipping away.

Rabbit is utterly right about my tunnel vision, though. He's seen it work, he's seen it fail.

@MP - I have no ping on you other than the timing. I'm not wedded to the idea you are a teammate with Aces at all, and everything you say is fair. You read civ to me, I just feel like the save is going in.

If people feel like Juliet is bad and her timing is sus, then think... who would she be trying to save that would necessitate the timing?

Her own credibility. Vote for a lynchee before the wagon get's a-rollin'. That whole baddie-bit.

I was going for Aces.

Since Aces had no votes at the time, there's not really an argument there.

Linki: I like this rabbit.
If anything, Bass and/or ninjabloops would be guilty of that.

For someone whose ass I'm sticking my neck on the line to save, you aren't being very helpful.

I appreciate it very much. But, that doesn't mean I have to agree with you entirely.

Linki @Golden: I'm not sure you and rabbit have the same definition of safe in mind.

[Golden]

@MP - well, I guess. I mean, I actually think rabbit has a better chance of lynching juliet. But, you know, there is nothing wrong with voting someone who won't be lynched anyway. Voting your gut is good.

@rabbit - I take your point, and MMs.

[Black Rock]

Juliets does seem kind of bad this game, but juliets has one of the most impossible to read baddie games ever, so I doubt she actually is.

Lynch Rabbit... I mean Zombrella! No, wait. I don't know what I mean...

I always read her as a civ, always.

[rabbit8]

@MP - I think bf is a wasted vote when no-one else is voting that way, bad or not. I'd sooner enter the fray than make a fence-sitting vote (even a genuine one).

I still have that ping in the back of my mind, but no real read on him. But I don't see any way he is lynched today.

@zombs - if someone thinks juliet is bad, why do they think she voted early for MM if not to save aces?

I don't know if I think juliet is bad - but if she is bad, thats what I think her vote was about.

Oh, son. Let me tell you some shit. What better to do than get civvies arguing over two civvies? Nothing. And JC was not getting any heat until now. Her vote she thought was safe, that's why she made it, nub.

And she is safe. No way will she get enough votes to be lynched.

Oh I know. I did not really see the case until I got home. I can't make a case I don't see. I just don't see the Ace thing.

You think LC will still vote for MM? You think he is part of the save?

[fingersplints]

I'm voting zombrella in case I fall asleep before the lynch is over. I don't see how she could say Aces is a huge asset and is now backpedaling away. I am actually very excited to play with Aces, as I don't think I have in years, but he hasn't posted a lot and I don't see him as contributing significantly more then the other two she mentioned. And I don't see how one civvie death would be more important then another. What if Ace has a lousy ability and llama has a game changing one
I don't know. Something is just not sitting right with me there.

[Zombarella]

Okay - I've got company coming in 2 min. So I have to make a decision.
Golden - no
Rabbit - no
MP - no
BF - IDK
Juliets - maybe?
MM - starting to try more but already wasted his vote
Llama - the struggle continues
Aces - his last post wasn't very 'huge asset' like
Fingers - IDK
MP - no
bea - where are you?
Bass - no

*votes..........MM*

[Zombarella]

**fingers crossed**

[Tangrowth]

@MP - well, I guess. I mean, I actually think rabbit has a better chance of lynching juliet. But, you know, there is nothing wrong with voting someone who won't be lynched anyway. Voting your gut is good.

@rabbit - I take your point, and MMs.

Fair enough. I will admit that I contemplated a juliets vote for reasons twofold: (1) I do wonder if MM is indeed a civilian, more so due to the way people latched onto a vote for him and (2) I agree it seems more likely juliets has a chance to be lynched than BF. But it didn't make sense for me to consider it for more than a nanosecond, since I have to be honest with my own reads and vote the player I feel more strongly about at the moment.

I've tried to (and sometimes successfully) pull a last minute save of player(s) I either thought were probably civilian or didn't have a read on in favor of voting a player I thought could be bad (but didn't start considering until not long before day's end), and the situations I can recall all ended badly, lynching a civilian and casting suspicion upon me and those I convinced as well. So I'm not eager to do that again.