Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

[Sophie]

just read my post and is horribly written, im sorry everyone, i havent write in english in a long time, it will take time to adjust .

in the first paragraph i meant "goldens case on aces" not "aces case on aces"

[Golden]

I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Hmmm...

You know...this makes sense. Llama is a player that likes to test the waters. He likes to make a bold move just to see what the reaction may be. Me? I'm not a bold enough player to make such moves.

Zomb first posted (after being voted for) at 4:58pm. Llama posted his vote for her at 1:51pm. When she came into the thread, her post and situation read genuine to me. She'd been busy with RL water heater crappiness. I, for one, understand things breaking down. Our heat went out twice this winter. Today its hot outside and so I put the air on and the air conditioner doesn't seem to be working now. And...we just spend over $200 on our car this past weekend. I am going to vote llama. I think he could have shown better effort to find someone who was exhibiting baddie qualities. I think that he didn't try is suspicious.

This is the one that made me at eloh. Using juliet's post to go after llama. Didn't sit right with me.

[blindfaeth]

So golden, amuse me for a second.

I realize I'm not really thinking rationally about mp, because he was pushing suspicion against me so hard this lynch. How do you think this was contributing towards a goal of saving aces.

[rabbit8]

Thank you.

MP, Juliet, possibly Zombs. Not sure about the other. Not LC.

I think I'm about to die!

Golden I can't find the post you are responding to here but since my name is there I'm curious as to what you are saying. If you are saying you think I am bad could you tell me the specific reasons?

It's all about that vote.

So we need to look at MP, JC, Zomb, Elohcin and LC. IMO.

Fuck, I hate doing lists and I just did.

I agree with the rest, but why LC? Was it the post-and-dash?

That was just what they call the icing on the cake for me.

Anti-marriage, eh?

I don't have any particular suspicion of the more active people in the Day 0 Lynch, like Golden. It's not that they're any more likely to be Civvie than baddie because of it, but I want to play a game with enthusiastic case-builders, and people who are willing to put themselves out there.

I could see my vote going to someone who seems to be trying to lay low and hold off giving opinions or making cases. That's my Day 1 opinion of things... I want to start this game off right, with interested participation. Soon, I may just accuse someone of something for reactions. That's a time-honoured tradition that I enjoy, and it can even work!

^^ LC would know Golden is a civvie after a baddie. He would praise him IMO, LC's devious like that. Then of course want to go after a low poster. All the while saying he is going to act like a baddie by pressing buttons. Where did he push any buttons?

I self-voted because I don't see anything suspicicious

Maybe I'll follow you on that vote. I've made it clear how I feel about this kind of thing in other games:

... you've named Marsh your biggest suspect. Can you explain your suspicion of him a bit?

Looking back over his posts, the self-vote gives me a bad feeling. Remember Jason Maher on LP? He always self-voted on Day One, and I realized it was giving him a pass, free from adding any real content whether bad or Civ, and making him not likely to be lynched Day One. I got tired of it, and pushed for his Day One lynch because of it. He was lynched, and was a baddie. And I was like "Yessss!" So, since then, the Day One self-vote always gets my eye. But that's not why I was suspecting MM, that's just something I thought of in the reread.

That's from the Film Director's game, a game I am currently still playing.

Metalmarsh was lynched as a baddie in that game.

MM is now my most likely vote.

Need I say more than this post? Please tell me this did not get some civvies voting for MM?

[Golden]

@juliet. Fair enough, I see why you would see it as illogical and also why, if you are civ, it would suck right now to have nothing to hold onto as a defence, really.

I think sophie's answer is actually probably a fairer representation of why I see you as bad, too, anyway. I saw you as part of a concerted plot to push the vote towards MM, your vote coming at about the time of MPs in-thread push. It felt like you were giving a one-two punch in that direction, working as a team. That's how it appears to me.

linki BF - it was his push towards MM, nothing to do with you. I think he voted for you after he felt MM had a comfortable lead over aces. You were just planting a seed he could use later. That's the way I saw it, anyway.

linki rabbit - when you put it like that, LC does look a lot worse.

[Long Con]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

[juliets]

@juliet. Fair enough, I see why you would see it as illogical and also why, if you are civ, it would suck right now to have nothing to hold onto as a defence, really.

I think sophie's answer is actually probably a fairer representation of why I see you as bad, too, anyway. I saw you as part of a concerted plot to push the vote towards MM, your vote coming at about the time of MPs in-thread push. It felt like you were giving a one-two punch in that direction, working as a team. That's how it appears to me.

linki BF - it was his push towards MM, nothing to do with you. I think he voted for you after he felt MM had a comfortable lead over aces. You were just planting a seed he could use later. That's the way I saw it, anyway.

linki rabbit - when you put it like that, LC does look a lot worse.

Ok, I understand. I haven't answered Sophie's post yet but I will tomorrow - I'm just too tired to do it tonight. I will also take a look at the timing of when MP started his push in-thread to see if I can see what you are seeing. I'm just frustrated because I am not bad but it's very hard to prove.

[Long Con]

^^ LC would know Golden is a civvie after a baddie. He would praise him IMO, LC's devious like that. Then of course want to go after a low poster. All the while saying he is going to act like a baddie by pressing buttons. Where did he push any buttons?

Why would I know Golden is a Civvie after a baddie?

I never said I was going to "act like a baddie". I said I may accuse someone of something just for their reaction. Why are you quoting what I said, and then putting it into your own words? I never ended up doing that, it was just a possible course of action that I came up with while I was writing. I also never ended up doing a low-lying player search... at least not yet. My Mafia time was spent having a "showdown" (by request) with you, and accusing Metalmarsh instead.

By the way, nice late vote-off you did there, rabbit. Who did you vote for? Juliets? Phew, good thing you avoided casting a vote that matters. Or is that another distancing attempt?

[Sophie]

Juliets does seem kind of bad this game, but juliets has one of the most impossible to read baddie games ever, so I doubt she actually is.

Lynch Rabbit... I mean Zombrella! No, wait. I don't know what I mean...

I disagree. I do think Juliets is difficult to read most times, but I think she is civ here. I think the "case" against her is silly and that those gunning for her are most likely bad.

Also, whe Zomb said Aces was a huge asset, I immediately thought maybe she was somewhat referring to his playstyle in Death Note Mafia....he was being helpful there. Zomb, how many games have you played with Aces?

Linki @ MP...funny, Mine are:
1)llama
2)MM
3)Golden

linki linki linki linki

I think you're defending JC very hard after admitting your read on her is difficult, laughing away the case is a mice deflection and easy way to look nonchalant about your defense of JC. Then the whole NO U following......... you know that's not really very smart.

You has BTSC with Her?

I do not have BTSC with Juliets. I said she usually is hard to read. I didn't necessarily defend her, I said the case against her is silly. I don't see why anyone would buy it unless they were bad and trying to cling to something in order to get a civ lynched.

im rereading and this called my attention, it seems like elochin is kinda defendying juliets. but, also , this doesnt mean anything is juliets turns out civvie, but still seemed something to point out.

[Epignosis]

I came in and started reading, phone fell in the toilet.

So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone.

Did either of you...flush out any baddies?

[blindfaeth]

@juliet. Fair enough, I see why you would see it as illogical and also why, if you are civ, it would suck right now to have nothing to hold onto as a defence, really.

I think sophie's answer is actually probably a fairer representation of why I see you as bad, too, anyway. I saw you as part of a concerted plot to push the vote towards MM, your vote coming at about the time of MPs in-thread push. It felt like you were giving a one-two punch in that direction, working as a team. That's how it appears to me.

linki BF - it was his push towards MM, nothing to do with you. I think he voted for you after he felt MM had a comfortable lead over aces. You were just planting a seed he could use later. That's the way I saw it, anyway.

linki rabbit - when you put it like that, LC does look a lot worse.

I guess I can see where maybe he was subtly pushing for Me whilst voting for me so he could play the "my hands are clean card" when he turned up civ?

Also, could be wrong but I seem to recall he commented on your tunnelling whilst tunnelling himself.

[blindfaeth]

I came in and started reading, phone fell in the toilet.

So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone.

Did either of you...flush out any baddies?

[Golden]

Clearly LC didn't learn lifes lesson from Zombs. Perhaps he is more like MM than he cares to think

[Sophie]

damnit, tryied to highlight the elochin post and obviously black wasnt gonna work , read is for deads, green is for off topic, so i used a darkish green but now the post i wanted to bold is almost impossible to see

what do u use to bold in this site?? please help im new

[Marmot]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Maybe I'll self-vote tomorrow too.

[Marmot]

damnit, tryied to highlight the elochin post and obviously black wasnt gonna work , read is for deads, green is for off topic, so i used a darkish green but now the post i wanted to bold is almost impossible to see

what do u use to bold in this site?? please help im new

Put this smiley next to your post. It's got bold new flavor.

[Long Con]

I self-voted because I don't see anything suspicicious

Maybe I'll follow you on that vote. I've made it clear how I feel about this kind of thing in other games:

... you've named Marsh your biggest suspect. Can you explain your suspicion of him a bit?

Looking back over his posts, the self-vote gives me a bad feeling. Remember Jason Maher on LP? He always self-voted on Day One, and I realized it was giving him a pass, free from adding any real content whether bad or Civ, and making him not likely to be lynched Day One. I got tired of it, and pushed for his Day One lynch because of it. He was lynched, and was a baddie. And I was like "Yessss!" So, since then, the Day One self-vote always gets my eye. But that's not why I was suspecting MM, that's just something I thought of in the reread.

That's from the Film Director's game, a game I am currently still playing.

Metalmarsh was lynched as a baddie in that game.

MM is now my most likely vote.

Need I say more than this post? Please tell me this did not get some civvies voting for MM?

My post was the one that started the Metalmarsh lynch train, there's no doubt at all about it. Is someone denying that, rabbit? As I recall, MP07 was the next one to react this way to MM's self-vote... in fact, I was reading his post with a raised eyebrow, because it didn't (or barely did) give me credit for bringing it up. I felt like he was acting as though it was his idea, almost. But that's neither here nor there, it's just what I remember most about it. Then I think Llama said he wishes he still had a vote so he could vote MM.

[Epignosis]

what do u use to bold in this site?? please help im new

Use the underline function. It is the letter "u" with a dash underneath it.

[Long Con]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Maybe I'll self-vote tomorrow too.

Well, tomorrow's not Day One anymore, and reacting to another self-vote from you in this game has certainly lost its shine... although it would be tempting, I'd much rather see you make cases and vote for suspicions. *cue MM vote for LC*

[Sophie]

what do u use to bold in this site?? please help im new

Use the underline function. It is the letter "u" with a dash underneath it.

thank you

[Long Con]

Clearly LC didn't learn lifes lesson from Zombs. Perhaps he is more like MM than he cares to think

Life's lesson? No Mafia in the bathroom?

[Golden]

@juliet. Fair enough, I see why you would see it as illogical and also why, if you are civ, it would suck right now to have nothing to hold onto as a defence, really.

I think sophie's answer is actually probably a fairer representation of why I see you as bad, too, anyway. I saw you as part of a concerted plot to push the vote towards MM, your vote coming at about the time of MPs in-thread push. It felt like you were giving a one-two punch in that direction, working as a team. That's how it appears to me.

linki BF - it was his push towards MM, nothing to do with you. I think he voted for you after he felt MM had a comfortable lead over aces. You were just planting a seed he could use later. That's the way I saw it, anyway.

linki rabbit - when you put it like that, LC does look a lot worse.

I guess I can see where maybe he was subtly pushing for Me whilst voting for me so he could play the "my hands are clean card" when he turned up civ?

Also, could be wrong but I seem to recall he commented on your tunnelling whilst tunnelling himself.

This was impossible to read so can I suggest you MEANT to say...

"I guess I can see where maybe he was subtly pushing for MM whilst voting for me so he could play the "my hands are clean card" when YOU turned up civ.'???

Also, I'm not fussed about people bringing up my tunnel vision, its not a factor in me seeing MP as bad. It's a fact. Baddies can bring it up, civvies can bring it up. I only get tunnel vision when I really believe in what I'm saying, though. But it's a genuine civvie reason to be wary of jumping onto whatever I say without thinking for yourself.

[Golden]

Clearly LC didn't learn lifes lesson from Zombs. Perhaps he is more like MM than he cares to think

Life's lesson? No Mafia in the bathroom?

Exactly.

Mafia rules:

1) No self-voting (at least not regularly. Sometimes you might have a role that warrants it)
1A) No mafia in the bathroom.

[rabbit8]

^^ LC would know Golden is a civvie after a baddie. He would praise him IMO, LC's devious like that. Then of course want to go after a low poster. All the while saying he is going to act like a baddie by pressing buttons. Where did he push any buttons?

Why would I know Golden is a Civvie after a baddie?

I never said I was going to "act like a baddie". I said I may accuse someone of something just for their reaction. Why are you quoting what I said, and then putting it into your own words? I never ended up doing that, it was just a possible course of action that I came up with while I was writing. I also never ended up doing a low-lying player search... at least not yet. My Mafia time was spent having a "showdown" (by request) with you, and accusing Metalmarsh instead.

By the way, nice late vote-off you did there, rabbit. Who did you vote for? Juliets? Phew, good thing you avoided casting a vote that matters. Or is that another distancing attempt?

When I voted it was over already. I still would not have voted for Aces. I'm not going lie, I was not convinced yet. I have seen Golden fail miserably in the past on the same kind of thing. I still saw he was being saved. I just thought I was a set up. I thought it was two civs with baddies manipulating the vote.

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

I think I'm going to be able to get a lot of support for my suspects? You feel the same?

By the way, You are way to good a player for the No U defense.

[rabbit8]

I self-voted because I don't see anything suspicicious

Maybe I'll follow you on that vote. I've made it clear how I feel about this kind of thing in other games:

... you've named Marsh your biggest suspect. Can you explain your suspicion of him a bit?

Looking back over his posts, the self-vote gives me a bad feeling. Remember Jason Maher on LP? He always self-voted on Day One, and I realized it was giving him a pass, free from adding any real content whether bad or Civ, and making him not likely to be lynched Day One. I got tired of it, and pushed for his Day One lynch because of it. He was lynched, and was a baddie. And I was like "Yessss!" So, since then, the Day One self-vote always gets my eye. But that's not why I was suspecting MM, that's just something I thought of in the reread.

That's from the Film Director's game, a game I am currently still playing.

Metalmarsh was lynched as a baddie in that game.

MM is now my most likely vote.

Need I say more than this post? Please tell me this did not get some civvies voting for MM?

My post was the one that started the Metalmarsh lynch train, there's no doubt at all about it. Is someone denying that, rabbit? As I recall, MP07 was the next one to react this way to MM's self-vote... in fact, I was reading his post with a raised eyebrow, because it didn't (or barely did) give me credit for bringing it up. I felt like he was acting as though it was his idea, almost. But that's neither here nor there, it's just what I remember most about it. Then I think Llama said he wishes he still had a vote so he could vote MM.

Dude, you came in with another game. You showed MM as a baddie. Lynched on day 1. WHAT KIND OF HUMAN ARE YOU? !!!!!!!!!

Now llama you are after. I don't know dude, you might have lost it.

[Golden]

I think finding a baddie entitle me to ask this question:

Long Con, why is your name pink?

[rabbit8]

I think finding a baddie entitle me to ask this question:

Long Con, why is your name pink?

[Marmot]

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

No it didn't. Canuck's did.

[Long Con]

^^ LC would know Golden is a civvie after a baddie. He would praise him IMO, LC's devious like that. Then of course want to go after a low poster. All the while saying he is going to act like a baddie by pressing buttons. Where did he push any buttons?

Why would I know Golden is a Civvie after a baddie?

I never said I was going to "act like a baddie". I said I may accuse someone of something just for their reaction. Why are you quoting what I said, and then putting it into your own words? I never ended up doing that, it was just a possible course of action that I came up with while I was writing. I also never ended up doing a low-lying player search... at least not yet. My Mafia time was spent having a "showdown" (by request) with you, and accusing Metalmarsh instead.

By the way, nice late vote-off you did there, rabbit. Who did you vote for? Juliets? Phew, good thing you avoided casting a vote that matters. Or is that another distancing attempt?

When I voted it was over already. I still would not have voted for Aces. I'm not going lie, I was not convinced yet. I have seen Golden fail miserably in the past on the same kind of thing. I still saw he was being saved. I just thought I was a set up. I thought it was two civs with baddies manipulating the vote.

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

You are not required to believe my story about voting from my phone quickly while at work. But that doesn't make it any less truthful. So no, I did not notice that when I voted, I noticed that there were a bunch of other votes on MM, a few on Aces, and some scattered one-offs. It didn't seem like I "sealed the deal" on MM, it seemed like it was already a done deal. Can you explain what you mean?

I think I'm going to be able to get a lot of support for my suspects? You feel the same?

I don't know how much support I'll get. I barely know who my suspects are going to be. Sounds like you've got it all figured out though, so good for you.

By the way, You are way to good a player for the No U defense.

Thanks, I agree. I thought we were still doing the showdown thing, is that not still happening? It wasn't a No U, it was more accusations for the showdown. I'm surprised you went that way for the cheap hit to be honest.

[Marmot]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Maybe I'll self-vote tomorrow too.

Well, tomorrow's not Day One anymore, and reacting to another self-vote from you in this game has certainly lost its shine... although it would be tempting, I'd much rather see you make cases and vote for suspicions. *cue MM vote for LC*

I've made case or two, so I'm halfway there I think.

[Golden]

I'm not sure we know whose vote sealed the MM deal given he didn't get lynched, but certainly in the moment I felt like I had failed with the bass/nyu votes, and clinched that I had failed with zombs.

[rabbit8]

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

No it didn't. Canuck's did.

Canuck was last. But once LC put the 7th vote on MM it was over. I had already said I was not voting aces. Canucks vote was just more.

[Tangrowth]

Golden, I don't know what to tell you, but I swear I'm not bad.

You keep saying I pushed an MM lynch; I ask you again, can you explain how I did that? I don't believe I did and I thought I addressed this argument well already.

But it seems I'll likely be a goner tomorrow based on how everyone already seems to be giving me the boot, so part of me doesn't even want to bother.

[Sophie]

Here are my thoughts on everyone so far.

Metalmash: Spent most of day 0 discussing the murder mystery. I couldn't see anything particularly suspicious there. During day 1 he calls out MP, but fails to provide any follow through. He also self voted, which is one of the best ways to avoid responsibility. Going to mark that down as suspicious.

Black Rock: Not much to go on from her. No read.

Juliets: She's been asking a lot of questions without putting forward any thoughts of her own.

Golden: One of the people making the largest effort so far, even if I think his Day 0 theory is bullshit. Part of me thinks he's just fishing for a reason to suspect people so he can appear helpful. A useless day 0 poll would fit that need quite handily.

Llama: He's insane. He's always insane. No read.

rabbit: I haven't played a lot of games with rabbit. Or if I have, I've completely forgotten them. Either way, he started out very jokey but has since been making a solid effort. I appreciate this.

Long Con: Thinks rabbits aggressive nature is a red flag. Something for me to consider.

Moving Picture: Also making a solid effort.

And there's more, but those are the hightlights for now.

just thinking it could be useful to have what aces had to say about people, now that we know he was mafia.

dont see nothing big but he did said this about juliets kinda early in the game, golden says it could be distancing, but maybe distancing from a teammate when people havent casted suspicion that way in day 1 in a game isnt a bit wierd? i dont know, this makes me think

what does the rest of the people think? also about what he said about other players.

[Tangrowth]

Realizing that Aces was bad, I think my top suspect is juliets. Not sure about the rest of the votes just yet, but I'm tired, so I will review them tomorrow and hopefully I'll get a chance to read back.

[Golden]

Golden, I don't know what to tell you, but I swear I'm not bad.

You keep saying I pushed an MM lynch; I ask you again, can you explain how I did that? I don't believe I did and I thought I addressed this argument well already.

But it seems I'll likely be a goner tomorrow based on how everyone already seems to be giving me the boot, so part of me doesn't even want to bother.

Fair enough. I'll explain. I'll need to do it a little later on though.

@sophie - what do you think about MP?

[rabbit8]

^^ LC would know Golden is a civvie after a baddie. He would praise him IMO, LC's devious like that. Then of course want to go after a low poster. All the while saying he is going to act like a baddie by pressing buttons. Where did he push any buttons?

Why would I know Golden is a Civvie after a baddie?

I never said I was going to "act like a baddie". I said I may accuse someone of something just for their reaction. Why are you quoting what I said, and then putting it into your own words? I never ended up doing that, it was just a possible course of action that I came up with while I was writing. I also never ended up doing a low-lying player search... at least not yet. My Mafia time was spent having a "showdown" (by request) with you, and accusing Metalmarsh instead.

By the way, nice late vote-off you did there, rabbit. Who did you vote for? Juliets? Phew, good thing you avoided casting a vote that matters. Or is that another distancing attempt?

When I voted it was over already. I still would not have voted for Aces. I'm not going lie, I was not convinced yet. I have seen Golden fail miserably in the past on the same kind of thing. I still saw he was being saved. I just thought I was a set up. I thought it was two civs with baddies manipulating the vote.

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

You are not required to believe my story about voting from my phone quickly while at work. But that doesn't make it any less truthful. So no, I did not notice that when I voted, I noticed that there were a bunch of other votes on MM, a few on Aces, and some scattered one-offs. It didn't seem like I "sealed the deal" on MM, it seemed like it was already a done deal. Can you explain what you mean?

I think I'm going to be able to get a lot of support for my suspects? You feel the same?

I don't know how much support I'll get. I barely know who my suspects are going to be. Sounds like you've got it all figured out though, so good for you.

By the way, You are way to good a player for the No U defense.

Thanks, I agree. I thought we were still doing the showdown thing, is that not still happening? It wasn't a No U, it was more accusations for the showdown. I'm surprised you went that way for the cheap hit to be honest.

Damn you. You always have me on my toes. I think one of you or MP is bad. I lean heavy you. But I was wrong about aces. So there is that.

One thing. I do believe you about the phone. I would never assume you would lie about such a trivial thing. I still believe your post and vote sealed the lynch.

[Black Rock]

Thank you.

MP, Juliet, possibly Zombs. Not sure about the other. Not LC.

I think I'm about to die!

Golden I can't find the post you are responding to here but since my name is there I'm curious as to what you are saying. If you are saying you think I am bad could you tell me the specific reasons?

It's all about that vote.

So we need to look at MP, JC, Zomb, Elohcin and LC. IMO.

Fuck, I hate doing lists and I just did.

I PMed this set of five (for kicks) to the host a few hours before the lynch

Aces, MP, Juliet, Black Rock, Eloh.

I dunno. Zomb vouched so obviously, I dunno how new she is, but this seems odd even for a baddie when she described him as a good asset after playing only one game with him. Especially when describing llama as not an asset (I've read death note, and I didn't specifically note Aces as being an asset, but I noticed llama as being potentially an asset... if he is good). BR on the other hand voted Aces... but late enough that the baddies wouldn't expect it to make any impact. Eloh, I have a reason but I need to look back and find the post (no, it's not because she bandwagonned onto the porter vote!)

Late enough? I think you may mean earlier enough? I don't think I understand this sentence.

[bea]

OK, well I had absolutely no pre-knowledge of what was going to happen with Aces votes and I think for you to say I did is illogical. I have no idea why Aces called me out in the thread but it was not distancing.

But surely JC - you can see how in light of what golden said up there - the knowledge of his playstyle. Knowing he was going to go, pardon the expression, "balls to the wall" on Aces, might make teammates want to take that heat off of their teammate. And how your vote - and your messing up the times - while it *may* be coincident looks really bad?

At any alignment - I know when something makes me look bad. I know you are smart enough to know when something makes you look bad too. Your post here kinda reads "oh, dear me. Golly ya'll are so wrong. I was just an innocent lil' ole fool here."

[bea]

To bad I'm at least 8 in at that time, man.

That's all?

For one of my birthday's - I want to just say right now - CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! It must be in person. Come see me and let's drink bitches!

[bea]

just read my post and is horribly written, im sorry everyone, i havent write in english in a long time, it will take time to adjust .

in the first paragraph i meant "goldens case on aces" not "aces case on aces"

fwiw - sophie - I still just autocorrect your English. For realizies - I don't notice it till you point it out. My brain just fixes it while I'm reading. That said - if you've not typed in English since you last played Mafia - and that was well over a year ago - Still -hot damn some amazing ESL coming this way!

[Marmot]

Your vote pretty much sealed the deal for MM having the most, just in case you did not notice......But I know you did.

No it didn't. Canuck's did.

Canuck was last. But once LC put the 7th vote on MM it was over. I had already said I was not voting aces. Canucks vote was just more.

Your vote wasn't cast yet was it?

[bea]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Sweet words. But wabbit has a point. How many civ's followed your posts and votes for MM that were based on a playstyle and not actually being bad? Even after the playstyle thing was brought up.

Curious that you find MP suspish - when as I read it along, it felt like he was following your train of thought and adding more words and anlysis behind it.

Yes. I am that always distrustful of you.

[rabbit8]

lol, Bea, you so crazy.

No MM, My vote was not cast.
As I said, the seventh vote pretty much sealed the deal. Aces had 2 and could get a total of 7 if everyone left voted for aces. Since I knew I was not going to vote for aces as I had said that multiple times. The poll was closed with you (MM) lynched.

[bea]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Maybe I'll self-vote tomorrow too.

Well, tomorrow's not Day One anymore, and reacting to another self-vote from you in this game has certainly lost its shine... although it would be tempting, I'd much rather see you make cases and vote for suspicions. *cue MM vote for LC*

meh - I'm not ready to vote you yet and I trust you less than every other player in this game. Why would MM feel differently?

[Marmot]

I worked from 5pm to 10pm EST tonight, so I just finished my catch-up of that whole time. I expected to be off sooner (like an hour sooner) but that wasn't possible. So I snuck into a bathroom and cast my vote quickly on my phone. I doubt I would have changed my mind about MM even if I had been fully caught up, and I'll probably go after him next time he self-votes on Day 1 as well. So sorry about the vote-and-dash, I just needed to get my vote in within the time limit while at work.

That being said, great job Golden, I'm very happy to see that your Mafia instincts are as sharp as or sharper than they ever were! I also agree that it's a good idea to look at the MM voters for Aces-savers. My vote had nothing to do with Aces, but the followers of that vote could be suspicious. I mean, I said I was going to cast that vote long before this game was even posted, and so that's what I did. I hope I never have to do it again.

And (for the cross-game record), seeing MM self-vote on Day One as a Civvie does absolutely nothing to sway me from voting for him the next time, and every time he self-votes. It's like a form of meta-gaming, sure he can prove that he does it as a Civvie or a baddie, and the benefit comes when he's a baddie. It's an automatic hiding spot he creates for himself, and it's just not acceptable to me that everyone else has to put themselves out there while he sits back and spends his vote on a hiding spot.

Right now, the suspicion I agree with the most is MovingPictures07, but I have to reread and find out why, because I just kind of skimmed to get up-to-date so I could write this post. Pretty sure I saw something in MP that pinged me regarding the whole MM/Aces situation, so I'll get back to you on that front well before the night is over.

Maybe I'll self-vote tomorrow too.

Well, tomorrow's not Day One anymore, and reacting to another self-vote from you in this game has certainly lost its shine... although it would be tempting, I'd much rather see you make cases and vote for suspicions. *cue MM vote for LC*

meh - I'm not ready to vote you yet and I trust you less than every other player in this game. Why would MM feel differently?

I don't, and I can think of at least 2 other players I would vote first tomorrow.

[Marmot]

^^^And no, I am not one of them

[Black Rock]

Ugh! I hate doing this but Rabbit you are making a mountain of a mole hill and painting your own scene. Maybe I just read the thread differently than you but you are putting way too much credit on LC. His original post towards MM was HOURS before the vote was up. It was a singular that he had left alone. Yet you give him all the credit because a bunch of people took it as an easy way out?

MM Voters.

Metalmarsh89 - self voted, caused the suspicion
AceofSpaces - the baddie
juliets - seemed shifty this day period, one to watch
Bass_the_Clever - Came in and took an easy way out quoting LC
nijuukyugou - I can't remember anything about her at this point.
Zomberella12 - Thinks aces is an asset (she's new)
Long Con - The original one to call MM on the self vote, imo the most valid vote here
Canucklehead - The last vote on Aces, one of the more suspect to me at this point.


Voter suspects in general.
MP - Decided to vote off after MM had quite a lead
Rabbit - Decided to stay away from the two top vote getters at an important time when his vote could have mattered
Splints - decided to go after Zomba, with the 11th vote tied her with aces. Possibly trying to give voters another option

My list would be as follows at this moment:
1) MP
2) Bass
3) Rabbit
4) Splints
5)Juliets/Canuck I put these two on the same line because I feel sameish about them.

By no means does Aces turning up baddie make MM civvie by default. I don't suspect him at this point but there is still a possibility for now.

Linki Rabbit: It was not the deciding vote. Even if in your opinion it was. By possible votes after it could have changed. Even you could have changed your mind. Canucks vote is the vote that made it impossible for Aces to be in the lead.

[bea]

lol, Bea, you so crazy.

No MM, My vote was not cast.
As I said, the seventh vote pretty much sealed the deal. Aces had 2 and could get a total of 7 if everyone left voted for aces. Since I knew I was not going to vote for aces as I had said that multiple times. The poll was closed with you (MM) lynched.

I catch up one post at a time - or all wonkajeeby at once that no one can follow because this site doesn't have HV's multiquote button and I can't be assed to do it the hard way. So you get a million late night posts from me - or one long pain in the arse post - It's my understanding that the one at a time ones are only *slightly* less annoying.

also re: wedding - you went AWOL so there was no one to try to talk me out of it. I blame my marriage to diggz - as well as my dating of diggz on you. You were our chaperone. You should have worked harder if you disapproved. (also - I'm butt hurt that you missed seeing the wedding and the picties. Jerk. )

That said - splintsy JR - is there anything in the roles that point to why MM wasn't lynched and aces was? I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious that if left unanswered i'll try to track down in the roles tomorrow.

linki - and then there's that. Wow BR - see all that is stuff coffee bea needs to keep in mind tomorrow.

[Zombarella]

@MM - You keep asking me why I voted for you. I suggest reading the thread instead of voting for yourself, running off, then coming back and making one semi-baddie hunting post and then demanding answers. Below is a quote from several pages back where I first explained why I wanted to vote for you. I wanted to vote for Llama too for the exact same reasons. However, I suspected you both equally and realized that a vote for Llama wasn't going to accomplish anything because he didn't have any other votes. Golden had a good case on Aces, and I said so. I would have voted for Aces if you and Llama weren't acting so anti-civ and refusing to help hunt baddies (I said this too - or at least that's what I trying to say - in the now infamous "huge asset" post).

Okay - four hours left to vote. Right now I don't like that MM and Llama already voted and seem to have thrown up their hands as far as baddie hunting goes. I know Llama's a jokester, but he's also a loose cannon (still) that doesn't seem to care if he kills a civ or not. Llama, I like your posts, and I'm sure you're going to call a No U on me, but I would post this even if you have voted Rabbit or Rico (WTF?) or anyone else without any reason to.

There is my two bits. I have to do a tax return now but I'll be back to vote.

We found out that Golden was right about Aces being bad. The question now is, was I also right about you and Llama?