Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

[Long Con]

Trying to decide if I still suspect MM. It makes no sense for a baddie to switch the lynch to a teammate, so that makes him seem Civ to me. But maybe Smart Ass, as the leader of the baddies, has a secret that his teammates get lynched instead of him?

LOL actually that's not too feasible. We could just lynch MM over and over to take out the whole baddie team. Kind of tempting.

[Golden]

The only thing about a lynch switch is... I didn't do it, and I never got the sense anyone else was really that convinced about aces.

[Golden]

LC, I'm really not sure why anyone would legitimately suggest lynching MM again. Doesn't the timing and location of aces vote say it all?

[Golden]

And you still didn't tell me why your name is pink

[Long Con]

I've been trying to figure out how the lynch worked. The judge gets two votes, but that isn't enough to tip it. That must mean that someone has a lynch switch, someone can block votes, or someone besides the judge has extra votes. It doesn't make sense for any of the baddies to use these powers against one of their own (at least I don't think it makes sense). So....I'm gonna try to figure out what this might mean. BBL.

Or someone has negative votes. If MM wasn't a regular offender, I might have thought his vote was worth -1, which if the judge is in the Aces column might make it 6 all? Even if only one person who voted MM (not MM) had a vote that counted for -1.

Still, I think it takes multiple types of vote manipulation to get aces over the line. A secret lynch switch would be the occams razor solution.

Interesting, maybe Stupid's MM vote is worth -1, and Doom voted for Aces. But then, why on earth would Stupid (who I chose because it fits the flavour) vote to get his teammate lynched? That really makes no sense.

Maybe if we say Droopy's vote is worth -1, it could start to become possible. I don't want to get into any over-speculation on that front though, maybe if we see another lynch that doesn't go how we expect.

Linki: Yeah, for MM I am probably leaning toward Civvie this time, but we don't need to belabor the point. And I guess I'll share my secret. I'm pink because I got a sex change.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Trying to decide if I still suspect MM. It makes no sense for a baddie to switch the lynch to a teammate, so that makes him seem Civ to me. But maybe Smart Ass, as the leader of the baddies, has a secret that his teammates get lynched instead of him?

LOL actually that's not too feasible. We could just lynch MM over and over to take out the whole baddie team. Kind of tempting.

I think it could make sense to switch it a baddie. That's what we did to MP in WWE mafia.

[Marmot]

Anyone else feel that LC is not being genuine at all?

[rabbit8]

[bea]

I can't resist the meta LOL's and also the sucking up to the host appeal of this one.

[fingersplints]

I really like this show Rick and Morty, so I will use them as my submission. Not sure if Epi will find it funny or not

[Turnip Head]

Rick and Morty is the best. That is all.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Rick and Morty is the best. That is all.

I agree 100%

[Long Con]

Anyone else feel that LC is not being genuine at all?

What gives you that impression?

[blindfaeth]

Geez, this day at work has been so long. Catching up now.

[Epignosis]

Epig, is that how Maroon's power works? A stop-lynch causes no lynch, and a lynch switch (or whatever happened Day One) is different?

Or does Maroon's stop-lynch get the next-highest voted person lynched?

Maroon causes a no lynch to occur.

[AceofSpaces]

Rick and Morty is the best. That is all.

[blindfaeth]

lol, Bea, you so crazy.

No MM, My vote was not cast.
As I said, the seventh vote pretty much sealed the deal. Aces had 2 and could get a total of 7 if everyone left voted for aces. Since I knew I was not going to vote for aces as I had said that multiple times. The poll was closed with you (MM) lynched.

Am I going crazy? I remember reading this post last night. Did I not comment on it? Bothers me. I mean, I knew rabbit didn't vote for me (looking strictly at my one vote from the poll), but I didn't pay attention to the fact he didn't vote at all. IMO, votes are never meaningless. Prizes are given away that give people extra votes. Secret roles may have 0 or 2+ votes. People's night actions may affect votes. Etc etc. I know that since we haven't had a night phase yet, some of this rambling might be irrelevant. But still, not voting because you THINK it doesn't matter doesn't feel right to me.

Also, re: "infamous huge asset" post, I wanted to say that I personally didn't find anything odd about it at a glance. I can imagine myself saying something similar about many players in this context: "I'd prefer not to vote Golden today. He may be a baddie, but if he is a civvie, he is too much of an asset to risk."*

*For illustrative purposes only.

Ugh, feels like there is lots of confusing stuff going on.

BR - sorry, what I meant to say was that although I don't particularly suspect you any more (and the only reason I did was pretty lame to begin with - Aces made me feel like you were bad, nothing you did), it's not impossible that someone could have voted aces late, knowing (assuming, at least) he wouldn't be lynched. So although I don't think you look bad right now, I don't feel as though the aces vote clears you either.

Having said that - your post I likey. I actually agree with you on LC, and (ironically) rabbit's tunnel vision is making me worry about him.

I recall agreeing with that post of BR's as well. I am not getting any negative vibes from BR this game. My sweet, sweet partner in Care Bears Mafia. We really had the baddies pinned wrong in that one and somehow pulled off a win I believe.

MM, you posted this two minutes before the lynch post:

I guess I'm not dying afterall.

Out of curiosity, how did you know that before the post? Or was it a joke? Do you know why you survived?

I totally remember reading this and asking the same question, but getting distracted.

@Ninja, I have no idea how I survived. That was a joke because the Lynch Post hadn't gone up yet.

Anyone buying this? Just because the lynch switched doesn't mean he's civ, but it does make me lean towards thinking that way. It might be best not to dig into it. Not like he could really tell us as much as we'd like to know anyway.

Also, MP post here still not making me feel good. I didn't understand the suspicion to begin with, especially now after the lynch. And something about our differing opinions of rabbit... Regardless, I know in the past I've thrown teammates under the bus in the past - who hasn't? But I don't think I've ever done so in a dangerous manner such as what MP is proposing.

Alright now I must search for my cartoon

[blindfaeth]

http://youtu.be/6PrRUKFcnPM

Yes, yes, I think this one will do quite nicely. Personally, I'm a Dexter's Laboratory kid

[rabbit8]

I voted for JC. You may want to read that conversation again.

[blindfaeth]

So you did, I'll have to do that - thanks

[Golden]

I'm trying to figure out the best way to vote strategically on day 2. The way I think could give us the most possible information about who is good and who is bad. I get that baddies tend to distance themselves from each other and not be too obvious, but in my experience day one is often when they mess up connections the worst... and when they are most likely to show their hands.

At the moment, I think I'm leaning towards my vote tomorrow going towards Eloh. I think she is both a good option, and an option that is likely to give us a lot of good intel if she does turn up bad. Here is why.

1) My day 0 bandwagon theory. Aces really wanted to paint it as bullshit. It probably was. But I can really see why you'd want to work hard to paint it that way if the two people I'd specifically called out for it were both bad.

2) This still really pings me:

At first read, I would guess the guilty one is Thurston the Porter. I will hold my vote for now though...

I went ahead and voted the Porter. He still seems like the most suspicious as he did upon my first read through.

To me, when someone says 'I'll hold my vote' it is to imply they will listen to what others have to say. The fact she just voted on her own instincts after saying that really did ping me. I do recognise Eloh, you didn't have time to catch up on the thread, but it's just about the way things were phrased.

3) But that stuff is by the by, really. The rubber hits the road later. This quote could have been made be partly to defend Juliet or Zombs (or both).

I'm tempted to vote llama for voting early for Zomba saying she hasn't posted, and then of course she shows up because it was too early to make that assessment. But then again i know llama does goofy stuff because he's just having fun. I'll have to think about it.

Maybe she showed up because her teammates saw which way the wind was blowing and demanded that she show up. Did you ever consider that? You should.

Hmmm...

You know...this makes sense. Llama is a player that likes to test the waters. He likes to make a bold move just to see what the reaction may be. Me? I'm not a bold enough player to make such moves.

Zomb first posted (after being voted for) at 4:58pm. Llama posted his vote for her at 1:51pm. When she came into the thread, her post and situation read genuine to me. She'd been busy with RL water heater crappiness. I, for one, understand things breaking down. Our heat went out twice this winter. Today its hot outside and so I put the air on and the air conditioner doesn't seem to be working now. And...we just spend over $200 on our car this past weekend. I am going to vote llama. I think he could have shown better effort to find someone who was exhibiting baddie qualities. I think that he didn't try is suspicious.

4) This post was very interesting for me. A second time where she could be perceived as defending juliet, zombs or both. AND Aces. She then lists as her three top candidates for a vote, one person after zombs, one person after aces, and the guy who was getting the bandwagon votes. I didn't even notice she had put me on a list of suspects at the time, but I find it very interesting she decided to take a side in the aces/me battle... ever so subtly.

Juliets does seem kind of bad this game, but juliets has one of the most impossible to read baddie games ever, so I doubt she actually is.

Lynch Rabbit... I mean Zombrella! No, wait. I don't know what I mean...

I disagree. I do think Juliets is difficult to read most times, but I think she is civ here. I think the "case" against her is silly and that those gunning for her are most likely bad.

Also, whe Zomb said Aces was a huge asset, I immediately thought maybe she was somewhat referring to his playstyle in Death Note Mafia....he was being helpful there. Zomb, how many games have you played with Aces?

Linki @ MP...funny, Mine are:
1)llama
2)MM
3)Golden

linki linki linki linki

5) Eloh isn't defending Juliet - she just thinks the case against her is silly.

I do not have BTSC with Juliets. I said she usually is hard to read. I didn't necessarily defend her, I said the case against her is silly. I don't see why anyone would buy it unless they were bad and trying to cling to something in order to get a civ lynched.

by the way....we really need to understand the difference between defending someone and saying that another player's case against a player is silly.

6) After the lynch:

Sophie called out elo.

im rereading and this called my attention, it seems like elochin is kinda defendying juliets. but, also , this doesnt mean anything is juliets turns out civvie, but still seemed something to point out.

Bea calls out juliet

OK, well I had absolutely no pre-knowledge of what was going to happen with Aces votes and I think for you to say I did is illogical. I have no idea why Aces called me out in the thread but it was not distancing.

But surely JC - you can see how in light of what golden said up there - the knowledge of his playstyle. Knowing he was going to go, pardon the expression, "balls to the wall" on Aces, might make teammates want to take that heat off of their teammate. And how your vote - and your messing up the times - while it *may* be coincident looks really bad?

At any alignment - I know when something makes me look bad. I know you are smart enough to know when something makes you look bad too. Your post here kinda reads "oh, dear me. Golly ya'll are so wrong. I was just an innocent lil' ole fool here."

7) SO.. what would an elo lynch do for me in my mind?

If elo comes back bad, it would increase my suspicion of juliet and zombs. It would make me feel fairly comfortable about sophie and bea. It would also make me less suspicious of MP. It feels like eloh is at the centre of a web linking a whole lot of people, and MP doesn't seem to be in the web.

If elo comes back good, the web begins to fall. Juliet and zombs have each done something suspicious, however in themselves they are both things civvies could do. However, if eloh comes bad and is defending them it makes their conduct look that much worse.

Right now, thats my preferred vote for tomorrow. Juliet would probably be my second choice. I'm willing to give MP a pass until I have more information.

[Tangrowth]

Just popping in for a second to say a couple of things:

BF, I'm not sure what you mean. What suspicion are you talking about? Mine of you? And I never said I believe you would throw a teammate under the bus like that; in fact, Golden's point made me think you might be hesitant to do that. I don't really know though. It's been a long time since I've played with you, and what I usually recall is how you and LT were both recruited IRCers in stlgirl's Computer Lab mafia and I was left all alone unrecruited. :P

MM, what do you mean about LC's posts not seeming genuine? I'm sort of getting the same vibe overall, but I thought it was just me being paranoid or perhaps because he suspects me.

Golden, I haven't read your case just yet, but I'll do so when I get some more time either later tonight or tomorrow.

[Long Con]

MM, what do you mean about LC's posts not seeming genuine? I'm sort of getting the same vibe overall, but I thought it was just me being paranoid or perhaps because he suspects me.

I already asked him that. What do YOU mean? That's got to be the vaguest accusation I have ever heard.

[Sophie]

catching up!

[Sophie]

meanwhile, ill post this for the host:

[Sophie]

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@sophie - what do you think about MP?

well, im not so sure how to think. Yesterday night i was here doing my reread and start doing a read of only MP posts. He seemed to suggest MM, but vote for bf anyway, just throwing names outhere, you know, when was too early to know where the votes were gonna go. Also he was contributing a lot (i really dont know how MP plays as a baddie, but i usually read people contributing as civvies, cause is fundamentally a civvie behaviour, imo), he also was throwing juliets name outhere (wich makes me think they cant be teammates cause "why would you distance yourself from your teammate so early for no reason?" but, as i type this, recall that in my reading he did say somethging along the way of "if im a baddie i like to distance myself" or something like that -correct me if i wrong- so i dunno) and of course bfs name, never think his case on bf was strong or anything, but he seemed determined to vote for him anyways and did it. Wich, imo, is a bit suspicion, cause in the end its a safe point. He also said he didnt like voting for low posters cause it was the same as randomizing. I dont know, im on the fence about him, im confused. Im him but i really dont know, it could go both ways.

At this point i think one of the baddies have to be one of the quiet ones. I mean, what a better strategy for a baddie than lie low while other people take the spotlight. And, if im not mistaken, there have been people that barely posted. Dom, Canuck, come to mind, but there are probably other. The game already started a couple of days ago and some people didnt either contribute or posted. Suspicion behaviour if you ask me . Gonna go check who are the quiet ones and brb

[Sophie]

pfff, im sorry, i type fast and submit, and when i reread its awful
i meant "its a safe vote" not "a safe point"

ill try be more careful when i read cause i understand its confusing. my english is much better than this what when i type fast i write like a 2 year old.

[Sophie]

dom, canuck and bass the clever

have they posted at all? i see dom didnt even vote and canuck and bass voted mm
if they did post (dont remember) have they voiced their suspition?
ill go read what those players have posted

[Golden]

I haven't been confused about anything you've written Sophie. Your English is still perfectly fine.

[Sophie]

well, bass the playerrs wrote 11 post, none of them contribute at all to the thread or express his/her thoughts (sorry dont know gender ), he/she said that MM vote was suspicion, and that LC have pointed at the fact that MM have self voted when he was bad, so there. he also said aces vs golden seemed civ vs civ
posted also one "i get what you are saying", one off topic post, one cartoon video and kinda suggested MM could be a baddie with a lynch switch.
anyways bass, do you have an opinion about any of the players? any suspicion?

*off to read the other 2*

[Sophie]

lol, so i just checked dom posts.

Couldnt find Dom in the thread so had to go to the search function and find users posts. When i read them, the page showed me a lot of posts on Film Director (i assume other game thats been played, cause those posts are from today, yesterday, etc) and none of this game. Oh well, yes, it showed me, 1, 2, THREE total post that said literally this:

post 1: hi everyone

post 2: raise your hand if you are bad

post 3: Hey guys, I'm at the top of page 4 right now. I'll catch up ASAP

after that he stopped posting and that was before the vote! he didnt even vote!




anyway, wth? isnt this strange for anyone else??? i mean, its not a time thing, cause he certainly haves time to post in the other game. so he doenst seem to wanna to post or contribute to this game at all. i find it weird no one called him on it either. anyways, i find this behaviour extremely suspicion

anyone else with an opinion on this?

[Sophie]

I disagree that voting for a low poster is not better then randomizing. I am so fed up of seeing baddies win simply because they didn't bother to post so no one had any reason to suspect them. This makes me not want to play anymore. Also, there are players who are quieter when bad. So I think it's lots better then just randomizing.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.
I lovelovelove voting for low posters. I wish more people would vote for me when I'm a low poster. It's too easy to slide by and let others do the work, especially when you're a baddie. I think disincentivizing low participation via lynching is a great idea, and always have.

well, canucklehead posted more than the other 2, specially in day 0, but after posting a bit that day, she just posted the cartoon and dissapeared. No opinion whatsoever on aces lynching and on her suspects.

Also she said low posters should be looked at and its easy to be one when you are a baddie, weird thing, considering she is being a low poster here

[Long Con]

Well, as a Film Directors player, I can say with reasonable confidence that that game isn't taking up much of Dom's time, so that's no reason to be non-posting here. Is he alive in Death Note? Is he active?

Anyways, here's my video. I think Futurama is one of the funniest shows around. I wish I could present a compilation of all the clips I find funniest, but here's someone else's inferior opinion anyway.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Yeah I am a slow stater in games. Plus their are a lot of players this game I haven't played with so I don't know where to start to look. I was waiting to see what happens tonight before trying to figure everything out.

[Sophie]

there is a serial killer/last man standing in the roles. it seems like a win win being a low poster, not engaging in conversation, let others lynch and get the spotlight for you, and just come at night to kill, doesnt it?

[thellama73]

I don't speak a word of English, so Sophie seems to be doing pretty well to me.

[Sophie]

thats wasnt specifically directed to you, bass, we just posted at the same time. just pointing out that low poster behaviour isnt civvie behaviour, imo.


Long Con, what do you think about Dom not posting in this game? does he usually engage in games and does not post and vote at all? is it normal for him? do you find his behaviour suspicion?

[Golden]

I don't speak a word of English, so Sophie seems to be doing pretty well to me.

Perhaps you would understand this better.

[Golden]

Sophie, you said you were suspicious of eloh last night. What did you make of my case on her?

[Sophie]

yeah, it called my attention that seemingly deffense of juliets. i gotta go reread your case, and get bakc on you on that


what do u think about low posters? dom specifically?

[Sophie]

golden, its interesting what you say ab out how elo lynching will connect a lot of people, he seems to be like in the middle of a web. could be an interesting choice for a lynch. im not sure he is the most suspicion player (but again, i was very suspicion of juliets and mp yesterday, and now i dont know what to think, im not sure on anyone) but surely lynching him will clarify a lot, specially if he turns out baddie.

[Zombarella]

@ Golden - I read your whole analysis re Eloh and Juliets. It is good and I think you might be on to something with them and MP. I do have one problem with it: if Eloh flips civ, then Zomba is civ and vice versa. I lose no matter what. If we vote her and she flips bad, I die. If we vote her and she flips civ, I just helped lynch a civ and we're down one civ. So where can I put my vote? I don't like how I'm being put in the middle of this. Plus, if you all lynch me, they'll look good when I flip civ.

To all the baddies (or whoever) that feel like defending me. Stop it!

[Long Con]

thats wasnt specifically directed to you, bass, we just posted at the same time. just pointing out that low poster behaviour isnt civvie behaviour, imo.


Long Con, what do you think about Dom not posting in this game? does he usually engage in games and does not post and vote at all? is it normal for him? do you find his behaviour suspicion?

I think Dom is usually an engaged and a good poster. I would guess that his lack of posting is because of a lack of time lately, rather than a strategy. He's one of the top living posters in Film Directors. Depending on whether he flips Civvie or baddie in that game could influence my opinion of him - like, maybe he's a baddie in Film Directors, and posted a lot, and posts less as a Civvie?

I didn't think there's a Dom that posts less on purpose.

[juliets]

Well, even though Epi doesnt know Cesar Milan I'm still sending this in because I like it - from South Park:

[juliets]

shoot, what did i do wrong. I put it in image tags.

[thellama73]

Well, even though Epi doesnt know Cesar Milan I'm still sending this in because I like it - from South Park:

Juliets sez: Follow this link, dummy!

[Zombarella]

https://vimeo.com/96105679

Simpsons: "Steamed Hams"

Best clip ever. Also I like Dexter's Lab.

[thellama73]

Doh! I did it too!

Well, even though Epi doesnt know Cesar Milan I'm still sending this in because I like it - from South Park:

Juliets sez: Follow this link, dummy!

[thellama73]

https://vimeo.com/96105679

Simpsons: "Steamed Hams"

Best clip ever. Also I like Dexter's Lab.

Oh my God, steamed hams. One of the most insanely funny things ever.

[juliets]

Thank you llama! I'll look at the code to see how you did that.