Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#801

Wow, that was an intense read, even for me. OK, so here's what I'm thinking.

MM, I thought my reasons were clear why I didn't end up voting for you, even though I found you suspicious. Did you ever elaborate on what you didn't find genuine in LC's posts? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall seeing this.

Splints, I appreciate that you gave a reason for suspecting me -- so far, even though I've requested it, I haven't seen any elaboration today from practically anyone else other than BF. That said, I don't know what to say about my vote other than I voted with my gut because it was what I felt was best. I didn't control that either players didn't follow me with it. I don't think my baddie or civvie game can be explained as simply as "I throw off" when bad and not when civilian.

BF, your evaluation of me is incorrect, but I appreciate that at least you've been backing up all of your assertions with specific quotes. I am really confused though, but I haven't had a chance to go back through anything just yet -- I don't understand why I'm suspicious for demonstrating that you were willing to say you suspected people in principle based on your D0 vote and yet you refused to mention any. Why should I have to ask you before you follow up your claim and substantiate it? That's BS.

Rabbit v. LC - I feel rabbit is being more genuine than LC here, just through my gut evaluation of their back and forth, but I don't feel very confident about that assertion.

I feel like I had more to say, but can't recall at the moment.

#802

OK, why is no one addressing this? I've asked multiple times and it's really frustrating me.

Golden's analysis of me is based ENTIRELY on the idea that I would defend a teammate in thread when bad. Can anyone actually name any games that I did that? I can think of one: Masters of the Universe.

Golden's analysis falls apart completely if that assumption fails. And it does. Because it's wrong.

Why do so many people keep latching on and say "I think his analysis makes sense" without actually adding any of their own input or addressing this counterargument I've made multiple times? Why can't people suspect me for consistent reasons?

#803

I think I'm actually going to vote for someone who's bandwagoning onto Golden's thoughts because I think that's the easiest way for a real teammate of Aces to hide today. Especially if that person has other reasons for me to be suspicious of them as an Aces teammate possibility.

Going to try my thread re-read now.

#804

I see that suspicions are all over the place today. I believe that rabbit is civ. I think LC could be bad. I can't remember who, but someone said that it had to be either LC or MP to be bad, but not both. I asked, but didn't get an answer. Why not both?

#805

Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?

#806

Elohcin wrote:I see that suspicions are all over the place today. I believe that rabbit is civ. I think LC could be bad. I can't remember who, but someone said that it had to be either LC or MP to be bad, but not both. I asked, but didn't get an answer. Why not both?

Sorry it was me. Based on how the day went down I can't see them being on a team. But I think both might be bad. Paradox.......

#807

Elo, I'm still catching up, but to answer your question: I believe that was rabbit who said me OR LC. I'm not quite sure I understand that either, but I'm hoping my re-read clears that up... if it does I'll quote a post from rabbit explaining it

Linki nevermind then :P

#808

Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?

Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.

#809

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.

I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.

#810

Other thoughts, as I'm re-reading:

- BF, even though I didn't ask you, why did you never give any names for players you suspected for their D0 content? Or did I miss it? Somehow I don't think I did given I have now read the thread again. I think this is suspect. Bandwagoning off of Golden's D0 hunt and STILL you haven't even named anyone? I just find it weird, and even weirder that you suspect me for not asking you directly when clearly you're capable of presenting your own thoughts without people asking you.

- BR, why do you suspect me? I only saw where you said I voted off after MM was in the lead and I don't see any elaboration.

- I find myself waffling a bit more on juliets after re-reading... I can easily see her being in a position like mine, and I'm not sure I read her posts as not genuine, but I'm not convinced they're genuine either.

- What do players think of Canuck? If there's any low poster I actually suspect right now, it's her. Barely contributes, votes for MM at a crucial time, and still makes little contribution today after having caught up, except for latching onto Golden's case for me and saying it's 'original content'

Right now, my re-read has led me to be a bit less suspicious of juliets and a bit more suspicious of BF, and a lot more suspicious of Canuck.

Also, forgot to ask before... Llama, why did you vote for Elo?

I'll have to leave again soon for a bit, but I'll be back to finish... I hopefully will have time to. I probably will, but I have to make sure I end the period and such in Death Note too.

#811

Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.

Why are you considering MM? I can't recall.

I am not, personally, even though I will admit I was rightfully bothered by his lack of contribution, jokey posts, and mostly his self-vote, but I don't know that I really see much evidence for him being bad at the moment given the way the lynch went down.

#812

@ BF - That is some post! You said it was just your thoughts. Would you mind doing a summary? I found that I forgot your comments by the time I had gotten down to the last ones. Can you pay particular to attention to the reasons that you suspect me?

#813

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.
Why are you considering MM? I can't recall.

I am not, personally, even though I will admit I was rightfully bothered by his lack of contribution, jokey posts, and mostly his self-vote, but I don't know that I really see much evidence for him being bad at the moment given the way the lynch went down.

Honestly, I still see MM as a possible place to vote. I voted for him D1 because he didn't contribute and just joked around and early voted and didn't care if he got lynched. Then he didn't die and he basically fell of the map. Why didn't he die? I have theories where he could be bad or good. The longer he goes without posting the more I suspect him today too.

#814

MovingPictures07 wrote:Other thoughts, as I'm re-reading:

- BF, even though I didn't ask you, why did you never give any names for players you suspected for their D0 content? Or did I miss it? Somehow I don't think I did given I have now read the thread again. I think this is suspect. Bandwagoning off of Golden's D0 hunt and STILL you haven't even named anyone? I just find it weird, and even weirder that you suspect me for not asking you directly when clearly you're capable of presenting your own thoughts without people asking you.

- BR, why do you suspect me? I only saw where you said I voted off after MM was in the lead and I don't see any elaboration.

- I find myself waffling a bit more on juliets after re-reading... I can easily see her being in a position like mine, and I'm not sure I read her posts as not genuine, but I'm not convinced they're genuine either.

- What do players think of Canuck? If there's any low poster I actually suspect right now, it's her. Barely contributes, votes for MM at a crucial time, and still makes little contribution today after having caught up, except for latching onto Golden's case for me and saying it's 'original content'

Right now, my re-read has led me to be a bit less suspicious of juliets and a bit more suspicious of BF, and a lot more suspicious of Canuck.

Also, forgot to ask before... Llama, why did you vote for Elo?

I'll have to leave again soon for a bit, but I'll be back to finish... I hopefully will have time to. I probably will, but I have to make sure I end the period and such in Death Note too.

Off the top of my head I think the only reason I have ever mentioned you was because of your day one vote. I made that list entirely as a reaction to the votes on day one.

#815

Two hours to go.

#816

Im on my boyfriends house with my phone. Lying in bed cause picked up a fever

Anyways, im on and off, trying to read, catch up, havung my medicine and teas

#817

Epignosis wrote:Two hours to go.

Yeah I know, I almost forgot about the vote again tonight (again because I forgot about Death Note last night).

Right now I am thinking possibly voting Canuck. Her posts have seen very blendy and agreeable this game. I also had her on my list for the clincher vote on MM day one.

#818

I need to catch up but I hate reading MP's long posts almost as much as I hate looking at pictures of hitler.

#819

Ok you guys - this vote sucks in that I am at work and have to vote like right now. I don't really have anything strong to go on. I am totally following along with others feels and I'm sorry for that. My votes heading Lc's way - the back and forth was.most.of the days discussion that.I could read and I feel a little better about wabbit than I do lc.

This is by no means a confident one but the bestlt I can make under my time crunched circumstances.

I totally get if people want to take a closer look at me tomorrow for sucking it this game.

#820

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I need to catch up but I hate reading MP's long posts almost as much as I hate looking at pictures of hitler.

You're not alone.

#821

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.
Why are you considering MM? I can't recall.

I am not, personally, even though I will admit I was rightfully bothered by his lack of contribution, jokey posts, and mostly his self-vote, but I don't know that I really see much evidence for him being bad at the moment given the way the lynch went down.

I think you said it all.

#822

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I need to catch up but I hate reading MP's long posts almost as much as I hate looking at pictures of hitler.

Well then you're going to love BF's dissertation :P

#823

Canucklehead wrote:So, for peeps who have been reading and following along in real time (rather than in sporadic and panicky and therefore shallow attempts to catch up, like me), would you say this is a more or less accurate (though obviously reductive) summation of the heads on the chopping block for today, according to the peeps making the cases?

Rabbit: Golden thinks is bad because he subtly defended Aces, has had heated "showdown" with LC
MP: Golden thinks he's bad because ?? Rabbit thinks he's bad because?? I'm lost here.
Eloh: Golden thinks she's bad (but is somewhat backing off) because she defended Juliets?? Or something??? I didn't really follow this case, need to look at it again
Sophie: a few people thought her low poster call out was ping worthy, but many others have her on a civ list
LC: rabbit thinks he's bad for reasons like defending BR and following Golden
Zombr: some people think she's bad for thinking Ace was an asset, many people think she's good

Is that it? Have any other potential vote getters really been brought up? Can anyone fill in the gaps or direct me to where I can (quickly and painlessly) fill in the gaps for myself? I read 17th century medical treatises all fucking day and FUCK if I'm now gonna go trawling through pages and pages of multi quotes and one line interjections and heated debates. Sorry. I just. Can. Not. Do. It. Today. I am a lazy mafia player today. I suck. I will try to get better.
But NOT today!!

Ok this post bothers a lot. She lists a whole bunch of people, stating why other people think they are bad or good but none of her own thoughts. Then she says she can't possibly sort through pages and pages. She seems to know enough she must have read somethings. This game is busy but it certainly isn't any Death Note. It's just not ringing as honest to me.

#824

I've been rereading Elo for the past hour and I don't think she's bad after all. I originally thought that maybe she and Juliets were setting me up by defending me but now that I look back I think she's being a genuine civ. I will not vote for Elo today.

#825

Black Rock, what do you think of Bea?

#826

Zomberella12 wrote:I've been rereading Elo for the past hour and I don't think she's bad after all. I originally thought that maybe she and Juliets were setting me up by defending me but now that I look back I think she's being a genuine civ. I will not vote for Elo today.

You're doing what I am doing. Which is going back and reading person by person.

Well I am here, I read Bass. Nothing much to see yet.

Linki: I haven't read Bea yet but she's on the list of reading.

#827

Well that didn't take long. I am not at all convinced of her innocence. She seems to be latching on to Rabbit. Her day one vote was basically it doesn't count but oh well. She may have been really shocked to see Aces go. My opinion of her will greatly depend on where LC stands. If LC is civvie then I think Bea might be bad, I am thinking she has made my list no matter what. I haven't seen a baddie LC yet.

#828

Black Rock wrote:Well that didn't take long. I am not at all convinced of her innocence. She seems to be latching on to Rabbit. Her day one vote was basically it doesn't count but oh well. She may have been really shocked to see Aces go. My opinion of her will greatly depend on where LC stands. If LC is civvie then I think Bea might be bad, I am thinking she has made my list no matter what. I haven't seen a baddie LC yet.

Really! Okay - i will read Bea next.

#829

I feel like we have a lot of undecided players today and everyone is waiting for a vote to latch on to. It's going to be hard to analyze vote patterns if that happens - the baddies are going to get lost in the mix...

#830

I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.

I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.

#831

The more I think about it....I am going to go ahead and vote MM.

#832

Elohcin wrote:The more I think about it....I am going to go ahead and vote MM.

I guess if he gets the most votes again we can find out if whatever saved him was a one time thing...

#833

But u guys, u think there were 2 mafias up for lynch day 1?? Where did mafia place their vote then? That seems unlikely or doesnt it?

#834

Black Rock wrote:I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.

So if I read you right, you're thinking of Bea or MM? How do you feel about Rabbit?

#835

Sophie wrote:But u guys, u think there were 2 mafias up for lynch day 1?? Where did mafia place their vote then? That seems unlikely or doesnt it?

Oh right. Gimme a second.

#836

My goodness the votes are getting spread, and I want to vote for Canuck or Bea.

Linki: Sophie, he could be Doom as well. There was lots of room in vote offs as well. You have to remember there is only one team of five, so that would only be three others.

Linki: Zomba I am thinking Canuck or Bea. I just wanted to point out MM doesn't HAVE to be civ just because Aces was bad.

#837

After reading rabbit vs lc today im not sure i see either of them as mafia, so i dont know there

Im unsure still about elo or mp. Also, a post of canuck pinged me a bit but i gotta go reread

#838

BR: had to go see who "doom" was, realized it was the judge! You are rigjt, havent thought of that, maybe one of his secret powers is a lynch switch. Mm behaviour is kinda outhere, too
Anywaya, food for thought

#839

Black Rock wrote:I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.

yea I just got done reading blooper and she is a really hard read for me. I always think is good except for clue mafia where I was dead wrong.

How can you tell if LC is good or bad? He is really the hardest person to read.

I agree with MM could still be bad.

#840

Voted mp. Dealing with car problem bbl

#841

I think I'm gonna go ahead and vote for MM, because I've spend far too much time mafia'ing this evening and I need a bit of a break (though I'll probably be back once I finish this delicious, delicious wine). I'm glad Eloh brought up my sentiments, because I feel most comfortable there today, and BR's suggestion that he could be the Judge in light of Sophie's comment makes me a bit more confident. But mostly, I'm going off of what I felt before, which hasn't changed much since the last lynch.

@Bass, I was good in Clue! I was just a badass at the posting game

#842

Hrd 4 gldn 2 rd vrythng. Bt srprsd MM gttng ht gvn cs vtd 4 hm rly ystrdy. Rbbt trd 2 clm lc rspnsbl 4 MM vts, chngd fcs frm mp. Thnk crflly. Mpssbl 4 gldn 2 wrt mch, smll dvc tryng 2 crrct vry wrd gldn wrts. Mp lyng bt gldns cs twrds mp. Msrprsntng @ lst.

#843

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.
yea I just got done reading blooper and she is a really hard read for me. I always think is good except for clue mafia where I was dead wrong.

How can you tell if LC is good or bad? He is really the hardest person to read.

I agree with MM could still be bad.

Where do you think you will vote?

#844

Im votin mp, no time to ellaborate rn, but imo theres still smthing fishy there

#845

Zomberella12 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.
yea I just got done reading blooper and she is a really hard read for me. I always think is good except for clue mafia where I was dead wrong.

How can you tell if LC is good or bad? He is really the hardest person to read.

I agree with MM could still be bad.
Where do you think you will vote?

I'm not sure yet? I'm still reading over a few more things.

#846

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I agree, it's a scary thought because it's likely a civ will be lynched that way.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I just finished reading Blooper. I read civ here. Not a lot of posts but good content in them. I decided to quote this because I think they have a good insight here. Just because the lynch was switched does not mean MM is a civ. Just that he lived through the first lynch by unknown means.
yea I just got done reading blooper and she is a really hard read for me. I always think is good except for clue mafia where I was dead wrong.

How can you tell if LC is good or bad? He is really the hardest person to read.

I agree with MM could still be bad.

I like to think I can read him some. I have been fooled many times by him. I just don't see a baddie LC yet.

I'm feeling proud I whipped out to the liquor store just on time and got back in plenty of time for the lynch.

#847

Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**

#848

Hvnt drppd sspcn f mp. Wntd 2 vt 4 prsn wth mr trctn. Smd lk rbbt whn gldn vtd. Wd hv hld vt & vtd mp nw hd gldn known ntrnt wld b k & knwn mp nt rbbt wld gt vts.

#849

Zomberella12 wrote:Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**

#850

So Golden is the gist that you voted for Rabbit because it was your suspect you thought would get votes. You would have voted MP now if you held your vote?

How About Now?