Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#1001

Canuck, your post was just what I needed to read, after spending some time away. I still don't plan on mafiaing in here until tomorrow, and I do expect to have a busy day tomorrow, but I will give it all I can. I just need a break. I appreciate the understanding, and apologize if the emotional edge to my posts has been abrasive. I have not intended it as such, but can see if it has been interpreted that way.

I know I'm not *owed* anything, but this is a game of mafia, and IMO it's generally considered bad form to not clearly state the reasons for your votes. But on the flipside I understand that someone could vote for me or anyone entirely due to perception, and there's really no way to defend against that. And that just because someone votes entirely on gut or perception versus a gigantic case versus agreeing with a case already made and adding nothing, it doesn't mean the feelings are any less valid.

I just was really frustrated and considering I should have died yesterday (at least it seemed that way to me), it was anger-inducing, among other factors, to feel as though not only were people giving latchy reasons to vote me but that absolutely no one was listening to me.

#1002

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.

Anybody who follows this is getting the big ol' from me. Not because of a No U, but I expect you all to come up with something more tangible then that for a reason to vote someone. Especially you Eloh. You said you think LC could be bad, but you voted me because I'm not a confirmed civ?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Also...what about MM? I know that he is looked at as civ now because of the Day 1 Aces lynch, but does this really clear him?
Interesting that you say this - I was going to respond to BF's comment about my "pushing" an MM lynch with this sentiment as if MM were confirmed Civ, when all the lynch did was prove to be confusing as hell (and advantageous, but still confusing). It proved nothing of MM's alignment as far as I can see, and talk of him has just dropped off, which makes me wary.
I totally agree! I am considering a vote for him actually. I mean, there are others I suspect, but I am just not sure enough on any of them.
Why are you considering MM? I can't recall.

I am not, personally, even though I will admit I was rightfully bothered by his lack of contribution, jokey posts, and mostly his self-vote, but I don't know that I really see much evidence for him being bad at the moment given the way the lynch went down.
Oh that's right, I've done jack-shit this game. llama is your man for that profile.

Zomberella12 wrote:Honestly, I still see MM as a possible place to vote. I voted for him D1 because he didn't contribute and just joked around and early voted and didn't care if he got lynched. Then he didn't die and he basically fell of the map. Why didn't he die? I have theories where he could be bad or good. The longer he goes without posting the more I suspect him today too.
You should have read the post where I said that I wouldn't be around much that day. If you were genuinely reading my posts (enough to comment that I've made a lot of joking posts), then you ought to have noticed.

Sophie wrote:Im on my boyfriends house with my phone. Lying in bed cause picked up a fever
Anyways, im on and off, trying to read, catch up, havung my medicine and teas
Get well soon

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with MM could still be bad.
You always think I'm bad.

And finally caught up.

Yo MP, what do you think of llama?

I guess that's true, but I was right last game.

#1003

Anyway, I don't feel someone should have to be asked to elaborate upon their thoughts or reasons why they think or feel something, but I realize my insistence was perhaps too much. I still plan on exercising as much analysis as I can, but I don't intend on antagonizing the thread.

#1004

And as for the idea that you proposed bea, the baddie team has 5 individuals on it. I'm not discounting anyone.

#1005

Hey everyone I won't be around much because we are spreading my aunt's ashes but I will be on tomorrow.

#1006

MovingPictures07 wrote:Anyway, I don't feel someone should have to be asked to elaborate upon their thoughts or reasons why they think or feel something, but I realize my insistence was perhaps too much. I still plan on exercising as much analysis as I can, but I don't intend on antagonizing the thread.

That's what we have rabbit back for.

#1007

bass

give your mom loads of

for me too

#1008

to you and Roxy. You are both in my thoughts. Please don't hesitate to call if you need someone to talk to - either of you.

#1009

Epignosis wrote:You people have the weirdest sense of "sexy." Songs about death, poverty, and arson.

Can't imagine any of you in bed.

Well, one of you I can.

At least I posted a song you can sing along to.

#1010

Canucklehead wrote:Hi, everyone! I'm Captain Funtimes, popping in to remind everyone that this a game! Played for fun! In which people try to deceive and kill each other! But it's not personal! No one "owes" anybody anything. "Fairness" is a very tenuous concept here. It's all jut for funsies!
I understand you're upset, MP, but that fact that you want answers for why people suspected you does not mean you are owed them, and if you're unwilling to accept the answers you are given, then that's on you, my friend.

I empathize with your frustration, I honestly do, but the moral outrage is a little intense.

Fwiw, I voted you (as I've mentioned) because I was out of time and had no better options o my own, and the things that bf had posted from Golden earlier resonated for me. That's it . I'm sorry, truly, that you feel that was opportunistic or terrible or lame or any of those things, but that doesn't change that it was, in fact, my reason.

I hope your mini-breather gives you time to cool off and come back and have fun again and help us get to the bottom of what happened in your lynch. if you are civ, we need your over-analytical self working with us, not lashing out at us.

MP does owe me a vote for all the times he's accused me of self-voting, but not actually followed through.

#1011

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I was thinking about the lynch some more, and IIRC, there was at least one player around at the time who missed the vote. I had 5 votes and rabbit had 4. Anyone think it's possible that a baddie lynch switch was used on rabbit's behalf? I'm not sure I believe that myself, but thought I'd throw it out there since I had thought of it.

I think that Fingers and Bass missed the vote.

#1012

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone I won't be around much because we are spreading my aunt's ashes but I will be on tomorrow.

God bless you.

#1013

MovingPictures07 wrote:And as for the idea that you proposed bea, the baddie team has 5 individuals on it. I'm not discounting anyone.

There's only four on the baddie team now that we got Aces.

#1014

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone I won't be around much because we are spreading my aunt's ashes but I will be on tomorrow.

Bass I dropped your mom a note but please let her know I'm still thinking about her - and you - during this sad time.

#1015

bea wrote:sophie - what do you think of my 2 or 3 birds one stone theory?

As a baddie, I would srrsly think about switching a lynch that was a civ going down to get rid of a more threatening civ - and make the civ that was already going down look even worse in the process. If wabbit is a civ too (and I've seen nothing yet from him to make me think he isn't) the advantage to doing it is 3 times as great.

It gives the baddie team the last cycle - the next cycle (because everone's talking about MP) - and if MP flips civ then the next cycle (because everyone's talking about wabbit now) - time to hide.

If I were a baddie and the idea came up in bts.....I'd think long and hard about doing it. Even if it was the team's only switch - Could knock out three baddies quick as you can blink. Wouldn't you think of doing it if the opportunity presented itself?

This is a brilliant plan! I'm gonna have to write it down in the "How to Mafia Handbook" I'm writing for myself

It goes along with what I said earlier about the baddies being experienced players. However, you are right that it could be lots of different people. I'm thinking maybe, MM, LC, BF, and Llama.

#1016

Night 2: The Ink and Paint Club

Leaving Maroon Cartoons, the gumshoes ventured into The Ink & Paint Club. There, they watched as a sultry siren sang and made them salivate.

When the performance was over, the crowd cheered, but the performer didn’t leave the stage. Instead, she moved to the would-be detectives.

“Are you looking for Weasels?” she asked.

Everyone nodded.

“What about him?”

Metalmarsh89 has been killed by Judge Doom. It is now Day 3. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

#1017

Whoa ho! I guess we'll never know if MM was civ or not. Bye MM.

#1018

Only three (maybe 4) players were suspecting MM yesterday. Niju, are you Judge Doom?

#1019

Yep, we'll find out at endgame. RIPIYWG MM, see you next game.

#1020

Meh, figures.

#1021

bye newt - see you next game

no idea what side you were on but I love playing with you.

#1022

frk y brstrds. rbbt n chn. dffrnt tm zn.

#1023

great - now wabbit has the curse.

sooo.....three birds one stone anyone?

#1024

fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Anyway, I don't feel someone should have to be asked to elaborate upon their thoughts or reasons why they think or feel something, but I realize my insistence was perhaps too much. I still plan on exercising as much analysis as I can, but I don't intend on antagonizing the thread.
That's what we have rabbit back for.

#1025

MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I was thinking about the lynch some more, and IIRC, there was at least one player around at the time who missed the vote. I had 5 votes and rabbit had 4. Anyone think it's possible that a baddie lynch switch was used on rabbit's behalf? I'm not sure I believe that myself, but thought I'd throw it out there since I had thought of it.
Who are you thinking of MP?

IDK if it was used on wabbit's behalf. From what I remember of him bts -he wouldn't want the attention drawn to himself especially if he was down a vote. Close is close, but IDK if he'd risk making the switch or telling teammates bts to do so. Could wabbit be bad and they did it w/o talking to him? Sure. I just don't really get the baddie vibe from wabbit yet. TBH, I'm more inclined it was a 3 birds one stone sort of gig. Makes both you and wabbit look bad, gets rid of Civ Golden. That's a baddie win, win win right there.
Didn't Bass and Black Rock miss the vote?

I don't know either. Duly noted re: your perception of his possible behavior though.

I'm not really getting a baddie vibe from rabbit either, myself, FWIW.

Interesting theory on the 3 birds, 1 stone. That's stronger than the theory just about setting me up. I think that's very plausible.

No, I voted for Canuck.

#1026

The sexy song thing is still a thing!

#1027

I really thought MP's reaction was genuine and over the top. He flipped out about being lynched early as a civ again, socked out, came back apologized and then went mad with listing suspects and why. Then he didn't get lynched. I have seen this done once before by LC. It was an honest reaction by him in that game and I feel it was an honest reaction by MP in this game. No way MP reacted so embarrassingly (no offense MP) if he knew he would be saved. No way.

#1028

Black Rock wrote:I really thought MP's reaction was genuine and over the top. He flipped out about being lynched early as a civ again, socked out, came back apologized and then went mad with listing suspects and why. Then he didn't get lynched. I have seen this done once before by LC. It was an honest reaction by him in that game and I feel it was an honest reaction by MP in this game. No way MP reacted so embarrassingly (no offense MP) if he knew he would be saved. No way.

Ok, im starting to see your point here. Im also not very familiar with mp playstyle, so dont know ifhe eouldfake this. I just find it weird that baddies would waste their lynch in a civ, but after reading beas theory and reading ur sureness here, i dont think we should be looking MP side for this lynch. Rhis could have been a set up and we could be dealing with very twisted baddies this game

#1029

Sorry for typos, im on phone. Basixally meant that i dont think we should lynch mp, and that i think baddies could have done this

#1030

I had to correct the poll. Anyone who has already voted will have to do it again. Sorry for the mix up.

#1031

Elohcin wrote:Only three (maybe 4) players were suspecting MM yesterday. Niju, are you Judge Doom?

Nope. Are you? :P

I do think MM was an odd choice for the Judge to kill, given that he was taking a bit of heat (more than others) for possibly being the Judge. Did Doom want everyone to know that we were wrong? Or more manipulation? Or a burning desire to kill large mountain-dwelling rodents? Am I overthinking? Yes?

#1032

Splits why di you jump around on day one so much?

#1033

I find splints vote for zombie kinda weird. After talking about voting a low poster or someone that did something that stuck out to her. I didn't find zombie odd on day one. But I'm find splints a little more suspect now.

#1034

Hello everyone! I was about to apologize for my sporadic absence so far (and it will continue), but I see practically no one has been here so far today. Odd.

RIPIYWG MM, I wasn't convinced one way or the other. An interesting choice for the Judge to kill, since it makes it harder to prove the MM and Aces were both bad theory, but that wasn't really a theory I necessarily believed in anyway (wasn't sure what I thought).

Zomba, I know there are only 4 baddies left now (well 3, if MM was bad, but we don't know); I was saying that there is a team of 5, and that team of 5 could have devised any plan. It's pointless to speculate and say who would or wouldn't have come up with any such plan, IMO, because it's incredibly possible that almost anyone could devise any plan, and such thought processes are restrictive. In addition, because there are 5 baddies, even if there were a few players who wouldn't devise a certain plan of action, it's possible the other two would, and convince the other three it's a good idea. Does that make sense?

I'm still looking squarely at Canuck, Sophie, and BF today. I've re-read the events toward the end of D1 and since then (where I left off in my re-read previously) off and on, and I'm starting to think that there was a reason Golden backed off of juliets, and I'm becoming more convinced that bea's theory of keeping the attention off of the baddies and onto as many other players as possible is most logical here -- juliets would fall under that umbrella with me and rabbit, IMO. That said, I'm far from convinced rabbit isn't bad, but I won't be voting for either him or juliets.

I'm most suspicious of Canuck, honestly, despite her very well-intentioned "fun" post yesterday, which I appreciated, because her behavior has nonetheless been of little contribution and what contribution has surfaced has been opportunistic. Her vote for me yesterday she even admitted was completely latching onto the case made against me, with no attempt to engage me or anyone else in conversation, and ignoring my pleas to examine the assumptions under which Golden made his case and how they could be wrong as well as other counterarguments that I made to Golden.

That said, I could see myself voting for Sophie or BF, as I haven't yet made up my mind, for reasons previously stated.

Sophie's behavior was similarly odd to me; I don't know about anyone else, but I was NOT expecting her vote on me at all last cycle, and I even read through her posts in isolation again and I still did not understand exactly where her suspicion came from, until she elucidated it more recently, but only after I asked her about it more than once. It is also odd to note that she was aggressively pursuing low posters, citing their lack of contributions as being suspicious, yet she left Canuck completely only last cycle even though BR and I had both mentioned her behavior was suspicious, and instead voted for me, someone who clearly didn't fit her previous profile of suspicion. That said, she has said she was sick in her defense, so that's something to consider. In addition, I do find Sophie's turnaround after the Night period intriguing; I'm not sure what to make of it yet, and I will admit it throws me off a bit.

I also still think BF is bad for reasons I've stated: (1) he latched onto Golden's D0 reasoning and still hasn't given any people he thought whose D0 content was fishy, (2) he is the one whose posts seem least genuine to me, with statements like "I've seen too many people fight to the very bitter end to be fooled by something like this.", like I have observed earlier, and (3) if MM was bad, then I believe the likelihood for BF being bad increases significantly, since then his throwing Aces under the bus wasn't detrimental to his team's cause, but this is circumstantial evidence and obviously by far the weakest on him. With all of this said, Golden said he felt most comfortable in his read of BF than of anyone, and that he wasn't seeing anything alarming from BF, to paraphrase. So this is surely something to consider, and something that's been keeping me from gunning after BF more intensely (because if I were only listening to my gut (and not logic) and I wasn't actively trying to be as reasonable as possible in my suspicions, I would have probably left MM alone much more on D1 comparatively to BF, but it's impossible to say). Golden also said he was skeptical BF would throw Aces under the bus, but I recently brought forth the theory of MM being bad, so I'm not sure what to think of that counterpoint as well. Overall, especially now that we know with absolute certainty that Golden was a civilian, I am wondering how much stock to put in Golden's cautious yet affirmative non-suspicion of BF.

What do other people think? I would really appreciate commentary on these three people specifically as well as what other players you all are looking at and why.

With that said, I doubt I'll vote elsewhere than my 3 suspects, BUT I'm very curious what everyone else is thinking, and am obviously open-minded to the discussion and events of the remainder of this day period.

I have to go now, but I'll be back in the thread off and on until deadline, providing my thoughts.

Linki w/ Bass: Interesting you mention this because this was a point I brought up previously. I thought she mostly satisfied my answer, honestly, but there is something a bit still pinging me from her on a gut level, and I'm not sure I completely believe her. As I stated previously, I think the most suspicious aspect of splints's behavior was how she seemed very ready to hop on the MM train and then steered course to Zombies (that said, I did miss an explanation post in my original statement of this suspicion, so it wasn't a complete turnaround out of nowhere, but nonetheless is the part that I'm still least satisfied with her explanation). I don't think I'll vote for her. Lol, linki again. What other thoughts do you have, Bass?

#1035

Addendum: I will admit that Canuck's more recent posts have been more in an attempt to engage in discussion, and I feel a bit better about those posts than I did her previous behavior, so that's the other side of the fence as to her suspicion with me at the moment. I should have included that.

#1036

Bah, another EBWOP: Sophie left Canuck alone*, not only.

I thought I caught these things, sorry folks. Now I gotta go.

#1037

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Splits why di you jump around on day one so much?

I didn't jump around. I talked about maybe voting a low poster if nothing suspicious came up. And then zomb did something suspicious and I voted for her.

#1038

I've been following along, but my focus for the last day has been the Film Director's endgame. I want to take a fresh look at someone... I no longer suspect MP07, MM is dead now, and I'm apparently the only one that doesn't think Rabbit is super- Civ. I need to take a fresh look.

MP has a lot of thoughts about his lynch, and some are very compelling, but now I'm paranoid about agreeing with anyone because Canuck and Rabbit are trying to paint me up as a baddie who only piggybacks on suspicions.

I'm really kind of disconnected from this lynch at the moment. Don't get me wrong, I'm not disconnected from the game, I just think that this lynch is going to go weird again. As in, the one who gets the most votes will not be the one who dies.

I don't think we're seeing consciously directed lynch switches, I think there's a mechanic in this game we need to figure out. Who was the first person voted in each lynch? Does it have something to do with the letters in the names? Is there an A=1, B=2 pattern to apply here? Did the same person vote for both the non-lynched top vote-getters?

Internet is down at my house, so I'm posting from my phone. I will look into the things I've put forth here when I can use a computer for the searches and stuff.

#1039

MovingPictures07 wrote:
What do other people think? I would really appreciate commentary on these three people specifically as well as what other players you all are looking at and why.

With that said, I doubt I'll vote elsewhere than my 3 suspects, BUT I'm very curious what everyone else is thinking, and am obviously open-minded to the discussion and events of the remainder of this day period.

I have to go now, but I'll be back in the thread off and on until deadline, providing my thoughts.

Linki w/ Bass: Interesting you mention this because this was a point I brought up previously. I thought she mostly satisfied my answer, honestly, but there is something a bit still pinging me from her on a gut level, and I'm not sure I completely believe her. As I stated previously, I think the most suspicious aspect of splints's behavior was how she seemed very ready to hop on the MM train and then steered course to Zombies (that said, I did miss an explanation post in my original statement of this suspicion, so it wasn't a complete turnaround out of nowhere, but nonetheless is the part that I'm still least satisfied with her explanation). I don't think I'll vote for her. Lol, linki again. What other thoughts do you have, Bass?

Well I still find find Canucklehead suspect as well but I'm going to go with my gut and vote splints today. I wish I had more time to explain I will be driving home from the beach and won't be home till after the lynch. So I voting splints.

#1040

nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Only three (maybe 4) players were suspecting MM yesterday. Niju, are you Judge Doom?
Nope. Are you? :P

I do think MM was an odd choice for the Judge to kill, given that he was taking a bit of heat (more than others) for possibly being the Judge. Did Doom want everyone to know that we were wrong? Or more manipulation? Or a burning desire to kill large mountain-dwelling rodents? Am I overthinking? Yes?

I am not Judge Doom. And, I don't think you are overthinking. I don't think this seems to be more manipulation. At first I would think that Doom might be trying to gain favor with the civs. However, his role is last man standing. He wants us all gone eventually

So....if I am not Doom and you are not Doom...
And I am pretty sure that Zomberella is not Doom....
And...I cannot find anyone else who showed suspicion for MM even though I thought there was one more player. Then I don't know who Doom is. Should that worry us? Shouldn't we be trying to rid ourselves of him as he is trying to get rid of every single one of us?

Oh, and Llama, did you ever explain your vote for me?

#1041

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
What do other people think? I would really appreciate commentary on these three people specifically as well as what other players you all are looking at and why.

With that said, I doubt I'll vote elsewhere than my 3 suspects, BUT I'm very curious what everyone else is thinking, and am obviously open-minded to the discussion and events of the remainder of this day period.

I have to go now, but I'll be back in the thread off and on until deadline, providing my thoughts.

Linki w/ Bass: Interesting you mention this because this was a point I brought up previously. I thought she mostly satisfied my answer, honestly, but there is something a bit still pinging me from her on a gut level, and I'm not sure I completely believe her. As I stated previously, I think the most suspicious aspect of splints's behavior was how she seemed very ready to hop on the MM train and then steered course to Zombies (that said, I did miss an explanation post in my original statement of this suspicion, so it wasn't a complete turnaround out of nowhere, but nonetheless is the part that I'm still least satisfied with her explanation). I don't think I'll vote for her. Lol, linki again. What other thoughts do you have, Bass?
Well I still find find Canucklehead suspect as well but I'm going to go with my gut and vote splints today. I wish I had more time to explain I will be driving home from the beach and won't be home till after the lynch. So I voting splints.

I wish you had taken just 3 additional minutes before you started driving to tell us why you feel this way.

#1042

EBWOP: should say "...why you voted this way."

#1043

I think I have been pretty consistent in my suspicions. I'm not sure why discussing people in the thread means I am jumping around

#1044

juliets wrote:EBWOP: should say "...why you voted this way."

On further look i guess you quoted MP to say you voted her way for the suspicion he brought up. But I'm not sure if there is anything else.

#1045

LC, do you still believe rabbit doesn't look civilian? Why?

Elo, who do you currently suspect? Did you think MM was bad?

Splints, but you heavily considered a vote for MM, isn't that correct? You said you considered a low poster, which is true. I still don't think Bass's vote for you is worth following, and it is a bit weird, but I don't find Bass suspect for it. Do you?

#1046

juliets, what do you think of my analysis and three suspects? Do you agree or disagree? Whom are you eyeing today?

#1047

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, do you still believe rabbit doesn't look civilian? Why?

Elo, who do you currently suspect? Did you think MM was bad?

Splints, but you heavily considered a vote for MM, isn't that correct? You said you considered a low poster, which is true. I still don't think Bass's vote for you is worth following, and it is a bit weird, but I don't find Bass suspect for it. Do you?

I wouldn't use the word heavily, but yes I considered it. It was day 1, and there wasn't much else going on then that I considered suspicious. I didn't vote MM in the end. Maybe if I did it would have saved Aces, since we are unsure how the lynches work at this point, so it's probably a good thing I didn't

I still don't think I jumped around though because I considered one person and voted another who I still find suspicious days later.

No I don't find bass suspicious because he suspects me. I've found in mafia that generally isn't a good reason to suspect someone

While I don't suspect him for it, I also don't have strong civvie vibes from him either. No read really.

#1048

MovingPictures07 wrote:juliets, what do you think of my analysis and three suspects? Do you agree or disagree? Whom are you eyeing today?

MP, I was considering Canuck for that post she posted with all the names and then the summary sentence. I thought it was very odd that she didn't offer her opinion on those people, since she obviously paid enough attention to shortly sum up. I'll try to find the post. I have got to look back at her posts since then to see if I feel the same way you do.

Sophie seems a little low for normal Sophie. The civ Sophie that I know is out in the thread whoopin' and hollerin' about her suspects. She is very animated. I have not seen that here but I wonder if that's because she's been sick. I agree that I did not expect her to vote for you last cycle.

I haven't had the same vibes about BF as you have. He looks civ to me right now.

My leading suspect is Canuck but I'm going to do a re-read now to see if that still holds.

#1049

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, do you still believe rabbit doesn't look civilian? Why?

Yeah, I don't really get why people are thinking he looks Civilian. His interactions with me have been like blah blah BOOYAH, GRANDMA!

YOU DUN GOOFED! As in, more flair than solidity. And I guess people like that, it was the same way with DH in the Champions Game. He used the same tactics to try and put lipstick on a pig case against me, and the general public lapped it up and asked for more.

Also, I've been putting a post together for way too long, almost done.

#1050

Ok, I chose Elohcin because she was the last poster (at the time I started writing this - 3:14pm EST). I have seen Elohcin's name come up a few times, but I'm a bit vague on the suspicion that crops up here and there around here. It's connected to juliets I think, and a vague suspicion around her. I'm going to go through her game and see what I can see.

Golden initially suspected Elohcin for her vote for Thurston the Porter, [urlhttp://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php ... 80#p121380]here[/url] is the post where he lays out the mild case based on the Day 0 poll. Here's Golden explaining his suspicion:

Golden wrote:I mean, like, I guess what I expect is people read the thread and think about what others are saying. I had publicly shed doubt on it being the porter. Aces voted before even posting once. Elo earlier said her instinct was the porter based on a first read but would hold her vote... then later on said 'i read the post again and i still think its the porter'. What about what everyone else is saying about the post? Just the post itself? To me just putting a vote on the thing that is already in the lead with no explanation just looks dodgy, it's the kind of thing you do to avoid heat or standing out. Baddie tactics generally, in other words.

Golden also suggests that Elo is a good target for the low-poster vote, and she counters with the idea of voting for low-contributors, which may be different from low-posters. She has no suspicions at that time.

5 hours later, she agrees with juliets' 'maybe-maybe not' suspicion of Llama for his early Zomb vote, and casts a vote for him on the grounds that he's suspicious for the Z vote. Looks to me like a pretty reasonable Day One vote. Golden presses her about the Day 0 vote again, which I think is a bit odd... and Elo's story seems to check out.

She says the "case" against juliets is silly, and those after her are most likely bad. Defends juliets, maybe defends Zomb from Aces links. Names Llama, MM, and Golden as her top 3 suspects. Reiterates that clinging to the juliets case is something that a baddie would do.

Elohcin wrote:by the way....we really need to understand the difference between defending someone and saying that another player's case against a player is silly.

Oops, sorry Elohcin, but when I was going through the posts, I called what you did "defending". You straight-up said you thought she's Civ, and you called the case against her "silly", and "something only baddies would do". I'd like to know what you call defending, if that's not it.

After a catchup, she selects the cases against myself and MP07 as the strongest, though she was reading one or the other of us as Civ. She's reading pretty Civvie to me.

She thinks rabbit is Civ. She thinks I could be bad. Then she casts doubt on Metalmarsh, saying his name maybe shouldn't be cleared just because of how the lynch went. And I agree with that notion, if the lynches are being affected by non-player forces of some sort. She ramps the MM suspicion by accusing his lack of contribution, jokey-posts, and self-vote. Votes MM. Golden gets lynched. MM gets Doomed.

Elo, why is Zomberella not Doom?

All in all, I don't really feel a lot of suspicion about Elohcin after this reread. I think Golden's case on her was not all that reasonable. Llama voted for Elohcin, I'd like to know why as well.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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