MacGyver Mafia~It's NOT Night 5

[Dex]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Re-reading Vomps, I was struck by this exchange. I never assumed or said anything about assuming it was Vompatti. I never singled anyone out on that list, ever. He is defending himself against an accusation that was never made. Why? Because, I can only think, he knows it might fairly have been made.

Also, no, it wouldn't have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it a tie.

So I'll probably be voting Vomps, I'm almost certain he's Ashton. And, speaking from a personal note, I'll be relieved if we lynchify him as I assume he's already tried to NK me once. I guess I've gone and painted a target on my back.

[Russtifinko]

I think Dex's point just now is a good one, vomps seems to have taken being on that list pretty personally. That if nothing else makes me nervous about him.

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

I still don't feel good about LT, but if others think the two I mentioned are better places to go for a lynch I could see my vote going to one of them. FH worries me a little because of what the chenistry book said. It was right about MP, after all. Not crazy pinged by her otherwise, so for now I'll probably just keep her in mind.

Just so everyone knows in advance, my vote will come this evening and be based partly on a quick readthrough of the new posts. It'll likely go to one of the 3 primary suspects I mentioned.

Oh, and the chemistry book said BWT is very smart. Could that be because he's laying low while we go after others? This is pure speculation, but I know I wasn't the inky one pinged by him yesterday, though I was the only one who voted for him

[Vompatti]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Re-reading Vomps, I was struck by this exchange. I never assumed or said anything about assuming it was Vompatti. I never singled anyone out on that list, ever. He is defending himself against an accusation that was never made. Why? Because, I can only think, he knows it might fairly have been made.

Also, no, it wouldn't have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it a tie.

So I'll probably be voting Vomps, I'm almost certain he's Ashton. And, speaking from a personal note, I'll be relieved if we lynchify him as I assume he's already tried to NK me once. I guess I've gone and painted a target on my back.

Around the time you posted the list Boo and Kate assumed I was MP's partner so I thought you agreed with them, and I thought the reason for suspecting me was the way the poll went because no other reason was specified by anyone at that time. If you didn't suspect me particularly you really should have, because in that situation it would have been logical for MP's partner NOT to vote for boo unless it was necessary to save MP, which it seemed to be at the end of the poll but perhaps not earlier.

[thellama73]

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

What makes you think I was faking?

[Snow Dog]

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

What makes you think I was faking?

I was going to ask the same question. I don't understand where this suspicion comes from.

[Vompatti]

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

What makes you think I was faking?

I was going to ask the same question. I don't understand where this suspicion comes from.

I don't think he faked it, but it did make him seem like a civ to me, so I dunno.

[juliets]

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

What makes you think I was faking?

I was going to ask the same question. I don't understand where this suspicion comes from.

I don't think he faked it, but it did make him seem like a civ to me, so I dunno.

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

[Snow Dog]

I have been reading the Chemistry book posts again and I am increasingly of the suspicion that they are just the thought of whoever is playing that role. Not to be dismissed but not gospel either.

[Vompatti]

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

What makes you think I was faking?

I was going to ask the same question. I don't understand where this suspicion comes from.

I don't think he faked it, but it did make him seem like a civ to me, so I dunno.

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

Well, I did think it was convenient for llama to be insanified (and the same goes for reywaS) but on the other hand I think it's really strange of Russtifinko to assume that we are sure that llame was faking it, when (as far as I know) he himself is the only one to have suggested that. So I think I'm leaning to Russtifinko until he explains himself.

[reywaS]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Re-reading Vomps, I was struck by this exchange. I never assumed or said anything about assuming it was Vompatti. I never singled anyone out on that list, ever. He is defending himself against an accusation that was never made. Why? Because, I can only think, he knows it might fairly have been made.

Also, no, it wouldn't have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it a tie.

So I'll probably be voting Vomps, I'm almost certain he's Ashton. And, speaking from a personal note, I'll be relieved if we lynchify him as I assume he's already tried to NK me once. I guess I've gone and painted a target on my back.

זוהי נקודה טובה, Dex. לא הגיוני לפספס את ההצבעה במופע זה. זה נראה כמו דבר מוזר לומר.

[reywaS]

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

Well, I did think it was convenient for llama to be insanified (and the same goes for reywaS) but on the other hand I think it's really strange of Russtifinko to assume that we are sure that llame was faking it, when (as far as I know) he himself is the only one to have suggested that. So I think I'm leaning to Russtifinko until he explains himself.

מדוע היא נוחה בשבילי להיות insanified? לא הבנתי שהייתי תחת חשד?

[Vompatti]

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

Well, I did think it was convenient for llama to be insanified (and the same goes for reywaS) but on the other hand I think it's really strange of Russtifinko to assume that we are sure that llame was faking it, when (as far as I know) he himself is the only one to have suggested that. So I think I'm leaning to Russtifinko until he explains himself.

מדוע היא נוחה בשבילי להיות insanified? לא הבנתי שהייתי תחת חשד?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that it's usually the civs who are insanified. So maybe you are a civ and the baddies think you're a civ, or maybe you're bad and your teammate insanified you to make you look like a civ. Llama's posts have been more fishy than yours though.

[Flyin' High]

@LittleTiger: I don't know why the Chemistry book mentioned AATB twice other than the fact that AATB wasn't participating much in the thread. Which now that I've replaced in for him makes sense I'd think, because he clearly was too busy or whatever to play.

I am not bad so the Chemistry book can't have info that made him mention ATB twice. My best guess is it was a vibe thing.

[Russtifinko]

While it is tempting to trust the A-Team, I would like to point out that I was the first to vote for MP, and you all were happy to follow me to lynch his wicked self.

Also, I wanted to point out that the bit of Science info about MP being creepy was correct, so if one of the pieces of information is in fact wrong, we can look for it in the other two.

Also, I am no longer insanified, thank God.

Wy do you think you were insanified llama over everyone els??

Good question, and I don't know. There has been significant suspicion of me as baddie, so I wouldn't think one baddie team would necessarily assume I'm civvie. The only reason I can think of to insanify a non-obvious civvie would be to make people think I was a baddie trying to gain civvie cred, but I realize this is some serious WIFOM. Of course, all this assumes that insanifying is a baddie power, which I think it probably is, although it seems pretty likely that the chemicals would have it as a power as well.

In short, your guess is as good as mine.

This post really sticks out as suspect to me. You start out by assuming that insanifying is a baddie power. Then later in the post, you say "this assumes that insanifying is a baddie power" as if you see the error in assuming that it is a baddie power and want to make this disclaimer because if you were a civvie you would have no idea what the baddies powers are because they aren't listed on the first page.

I thought there was suspicion llama had faked insanification (or insanified himself) because of this post by Rey. Reading through again it still seems clear to me that Rey is saying that, but I don't see any other support for the idea, so I overstated its unanimity. My sincerest apologies for any damage caused to llama's character, and for my behavior which seems to have offended vomps

[Russtifinko]

Actually, He-Man wrote "nice catch Rey" right after that post, so there was some support for the idea. I partially retract my apology. I further put forth that it seems vomps may be grasping at straws, as his suspicion of me seems to have come from nowhere (he never mentioned me before today) and is now suddenly worth a vote

[Kate]

Funny how the discussion has dropped right off Vomps. He is still my top suspect.

Sure, he dropped one (maybe two?) role hints, but when people pop right up saying they don't believe him it makes me awfully suspicious that its false. I, for one,don't believe him and I'm still planning to vote this way today.

[thellama73]

Actually, He-Man wrote "nice catch Rey" right after that post, so there was some support for the idea. I partially retract my apology. I further put forth that it seems vomps may be grasping at straws, as his suspicion of me seems to have come from nowhere (he never mentioned me before today) and is now suddenly worth a vote

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Russ. I have to admit, I was considering giving you my vote today after what I vieed as a baseless accusations, but you have successfully alleviated my suspicions in that regard. rewaS's critique of my post doesn't really make sense to me, so I might look at him, and I am not particularly pinged by Vompatti. Also, He-Man's "nice catch" post feels a little opportunistic, latching onto something without contributing anything of his own.

In all honesty, I still have no idea for whom to vote today.

[Kate]

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

Well, I did think it was convenient for llama to be insanified (and the same goes for reywaS) but on the other hand I think it's really strange of Russtifinko to assume that we are sure that llame was faking it, when (as far as I know) he himself is the only one to have suggested that. So I think I'm leaning to Russtifinko until he explains himself.

מדוע היא נוחה בשבילי להיות insanified? לא הבנתי שהייתי תחת חשד?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that it's usually the civs who are insanified. So maybe you are a civ and the baddies think you're a civ, or maybe you're bad and your teammate insanified you to make you look like a civ. Llama's posts have been more fishy than yours though.

What is it that is fishy about Llama's posts?

[Kate]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Re-reading Vomps, I was struck by this exchange. I never assumed or said anything about assuming it was Vompatti. I never singled anyone out on that list, ever. He is defending himself against an accusation that was never made. Why? Because, I can only think, he knows it might fairly have been made.

Also, no, it wouldn't have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it a tie.

So I'll probably be voting Vomps, I'm almost certain he's Ashton. And, speaking from a personal note, I'll be relieved if we lynchify him as I assume he's already tried to NK me once. I guess I've gone and painted a target on my back.

Around the time you posted the list Boo and Kate assumed I was MP's partner so I thought you agreed with them, and I thought the reason for suspecting me was the way the poll went because no other reason was specified by anyone at that time. If you didn't suspect me particularly you really should have, because in that situation it would have been logical for MP's partner NOT to vote for boo unless it was necessary to save MP, which it seemed to be at the end of the poll but perhaps not earlier.

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

[Flyin' High]

I am finally getting my head into this game now that I've had some time to go back and read through posts a bit more slowly.

Here are some things that stood out to me and why I agree with Kate, boo, and others that Vompatti is a good candidate for MP's teammate:

First these two posts by Dex explaining that he thought one of the boo voters is likely MP's teammate and voted boo to help save MP.

And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

I'll just add to the reasoning I've already posted that it appears to me that one of the things you do as mafioso is ask questions to which you already know the answers.

I also suspect that one of He-Man, Kate, Russtifinko, or Vompatti is your teammate.

Note Vompatti is on the list.

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

After MP starts to take heat from a number of players, Vompatti chimes in saying he'll probably vote MP, but he holds off on voting. Dex explains his list.

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Then here Vompatti responds to Dex's explanation with a WIFOM-filled response. Also worth noting, of the 5 boo voters, Vompatti was the last, putting boo in the lead for being lynched and effectively saving MP who had 4 votes (see voting record here).

MP has this post here in response to being suspected:

And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

I'll just add to the reasoning I've already posted that it appears to me that one of the things you do as mafioso is ask questions to which you already know the answers.

I also suspect that one of He-Man, Kate, Russtifinko, or Vompatti is your teammate.

I do that also as civvie. You're basing this, and you even admitted, off of the only game you've seen from me: my mafia game. If asking questions makes me bad, then I don't get it.

I don't know the answers to any of the questions I'm asking; that's why I'm asking them. I'm trying to gauge how everyone constantly feels about everyone else because that's how you find links.

I can't speak for any of the four players you listed. I am not convinced any of those is baddie currently, though I certainly have my on all of them, Vompatti probably the most if you asked me right now.

Having experienced a few recent games where MP turned out to be mafia, I have definitely seen him directly suspect his own teammate in the thread in order to distance from them. So the fact that he says he can't speak for any of the four players Dex listed, then calls out Vompatti as the most eyeworthy just adds to why I think Vompatti is his teammate.

[Vompatti]

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Re-reading Vomps, I was struck by this exchange. I never assumed or said anything about assuming it was Vompatti. I never singled anyone out on that list, ever. He is defending himself against an accusation that was never made. Why? Because, I can only think, he knows it might fairly have been made.

Also, no, it wouldn't have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it a tie.

So I'll probably be voting Vomps, I'm almost certain he's Ashton. And, speaking from a personal note, I'll be relieved if we lynchify him as I assume he's already tried to NK me once. I guess I've gone and painted a target on my back.

Around the time you posted the list Boo and Kate assumed I was MP's partner so I thought you agreed with them, and I thought the reason for suspecting me was the way the poll went because no other reason was specified by anyone at that time. If you didn't suspect me particularly you really should have, because in that situation it would have been logical for MP's partner NOT to vote for boo unless it was necessary to save MP, which it seemed to be at the end of the poll but perhaps not earlier.

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

I'm saying that if you assume that one of the four(?) people on Dex's list who voted for boo was MP's partner, it would be logical to assume that it was me and not one of the others.

[Vompatti]

Vompatti, who are you looking at today for the lynch?

Well, I did think it was convenient for llama to be insanified (and the same goes for reywaS) but on the other hand I think it's really strange of Russtifinko to assume that we are sure that llame was faking it, when (as far as I know) he himself is the only one to have suggested that. So I think I'm leaning to Russtifinko until he explains himself.

מדוע היא נוחה בשבילי להיות insanified? לא הבנתי שהייתי תחת חשד?

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that it's usually the civs who are insanified. So maybe you are a civ and the baddies think you're a civ, or maybe you're bad and your teammate insanified you to make you look like a civ. Llama's posts have been more fishy than yours though.

What is it that is fishy about Llama's posts?

It seems he's defending himself when there's no apparent need to. See pg. ~9 and most recently this:

While it is tempting to trust the A-Team, I would like to point out that I was the first to vote for MP, and you all were happy to follow me to lynch his wicked self.

Also, I wanted to point out that the bit of Science info about MP being creepy was correct, so if one of the pieces of information is in fact wrong, we can look for it in the other two.

Also, I am no longer insanified, thank God.

Wy do you think you were insanified llama over everyone els??

Good question, and I don't know. There has been significant suspicion of me as baddie, so I wouldn't think one baddie team would necessarily assume I'm civvie. The only reason I can think of to insanify a non-obvious civvie would be to make people think I was a baddie trying to gain civvie cred, but I realize this is some serious WIFOM. Of course, all this assumes that insanifying is a baddie power, which I think it probably is, although it seems pretty likely that the chemicals would have it as a power as well.

In short, your guess is as good as mine.

Where can I find this "significant suspicion" of him being a baddie?

[Snow Dog]

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

I'm saying that if you assume that one of the four(?) people on Dex's list who voted for boo was MP's partner, it would be logical to assume that it was me and not one of the others.

In that case we can assume you indeed are Mp's partner.

[Vompatti]

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

I'm saying that if you assume that one of the four(?) people on Dex's list who voted for boo was MP's partner, it would be logical to assume that it was me and not one of the others.

In that case we can assume you indeed are Mp's partner.

I wouldn't say that.

[Kate]

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

I'm saying that if you assume that one of the four(?) people on Dex's list who voted for boo was MP's partner, it would be logical to assume that it was me and not one of the others.

In that case we can assume you indeed are Mp's partner.

I wouldn't say that.

But, you see, that is exactly what you said.

[Vompatti]

Huh, it was at the end of the poll. So you are saying that, yes, it is logical that you are MPs partner?

I'm saying that if you assume that one of the four(?) people on Dex's list who voted for boo was MP's partner, it would be logical to assume that it was me and not one of the others.

In that case we can assume you indeed are Mp's partner.

I wouldn't say that.

But, you see, that is exactly what you said.

It obviously is not. I don't think MP's partner would have voted for boo in that lynch. I don't know who MP's partner is but I don't think he's on that list.

[Snow Dog]

It obviously is not. I don't think MP's partner would have voted for boo in that lynch. I don't know who MP's partner is but I don't think he's on that list.

Why not? It seems a sound theory to me.

[thellama73]

Where can I find this "significant suspicion" of him being a baddie?

It is quite easy to find, particularly from LT after I voted her off. The A-Team has it in for me as well, and I have been accused of faking my insanity. I don't particularly mind these suspicions, as it is all part of the game, but I don't see how offering defenses against them makes me any more likely to be a baddie.

[Snow Dog]

I am not at all at ease with your gameplay and your replies Vompatti and I am leaning towards voting you.

[Kate]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Funny how in this post (which occurred on the morning of MP's lynch when he had one vote, you seem to assume that MP does in fact have a partner. why would that be?

[reywaS]

Actually, He-Man wrote "nice catch Rey" right after that post, so there was some support for the idea. I partially retract my apology. I further put forth that it seems vomps may be grasping at straws, as his suspicion of me seems to have come from nowhere (he never mentioned me before today) and is now suddenly worth a vote

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Russ. I have to admit, I was considering giving you my vote today after what I vieed as a baseless accusations, but you have successfully alleviated my suspicions in that regard. rewaS's critique of my post doesn't really make sense to me, so I might look at him, and I am not particularly pinged by Vompatti. Also, He-Man's "nice catch" post feels a little opportunistic, latching onto something without contributing anything of his own.

In all honesty, I still have no idea for whom to vote today.

זה היה יותר קל לך רק לומר לא u.

[juliets]

To me, the vote for MP that looks like an attempt at a save, MP's mention of Vompatti, and this latest craziness of his own admission that he's who he would think is bad (I think that's what he's saying) still leave me leaning toward Vompatti. I may have missed something but these are the big things that stand out in my mind right now.

Also,fyi I've got my head in a course on Sarbanes-Oxley, you accountants should know how complex that is, and I may not be back in today before I vote.

[Vompatti]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Funny how in this post (which occurred on the morning of MP's lynch when he had one vote, you seem to assume that MP does in fact have a partner. why would that be?

It's Dex that assumes that, not me.

[Kate]

To be honest I'm inclined to vote for MP at this point as his tl;dr defence didn't convince me, but I'd also like to hear how Dex came up with his list of names.

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Funny how in this post (which occurred on the morning of MP's lynch when he had one vote, you seem to assume that MP does in fact have a partner. why would that be?

It's Dex that assumes that, not me.

Maybe originally, but you agree and don't mention, hey we don't know if he has one yet.

Then you waited around until his lynch was pretty much a sure thing and laid down a vote smack dab in the middle of the bunch.

[thellama73]

I'm a little nervous about the seeming bandwagon on Vompatti. Why are people so sure that he is MP's partner?

[Vompatti]

Those are the peeps who voted Boo last poll and got MP off the hook. Three are likely to be civ, I think, but one of them is almost certainly MPs partner.

And you're assuming it would be me since I was the last to vote? If I was MP's partner wouldn't it have made more sense to miss the vote and leave it at tie?

Funny how in this post (which occurred on the morning of MP's lynch when he had one vote, you seem to assume that MP does in fact have a partner. why would that be?

It's Dex that assumes that, not me.

Maybe originally, but you agree and don't mention, hey we don't know if he has one yet.

Then you waited around until his lynch was pretty much a sure thing and laid down a vote smack dab in the middle of the bunch.

Well, at that time I did agree that MP is probably bad, and according to the role list all the baddies do have a partner.

[Vompatti]

I'm a little nervous about the seeming bandwagon on Vompatti. Why are people so sure that he is MP's partner?

I am puzzled by this as well.

[Kate]

I'm a little nervous about the seeming bandwagon on Vompatti. Why are people so sure that he is MP's partner?

Have you read the thread at all?

No one has even voted, what bandwagon?

[Flyin' High]

I'm a little nervous about the seeming bandwagon on Vompatti. Why are people so sure that he is MP's partner?

Have you been reading the posts we've been making about Vompatti? Not to sound snarky, but I think the case for Vompatti being MP's teammate has been approached from multiple angles by multiple people.

And bandwagon? The mafia teams only have 2 people apiece. With MP dead, there is no one left to defend MP's teammate.

[thellama73]

I'm a little nervous about the seeming bandwagon on Vompatti. Why are people so sure that he is MP's partner?

Have you been reading the posts we've been making about Vompatti? Not to sound snarky, but I think the case for Vompatti being MP's teammate has been approached from multiple angles by multiple people.

And bandwagon? The mafia teams only have 2 people apiece. With MP dead, there is no one left to defend MP's teammate.

Yes, I thought of that, but I still don't know if I'm convinced. The anti-Vompatti posts have been numerous, but I'm having a hard time seeing compelling evidence. I'm not saying I trust him-far from it-but neither am I sure that he is bad.

You don't sound snarky. I probably could have phrased my request more clearly. The reason I asked the question I did was not because I have not been reading the arguments, but I was hoping for a concise summary of why there is such confidence in a vompatti vote so that I could better make up my mind, rather than digesting dozens of different posts making dozens of different arguments.

[thellama73]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

[Kate]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

He agreed he was bad and discussed his partner as though he was certain that he had one, thus he knew MP was bad. Make sense?

[Flyin' High]

@thellama: Fair enough. For me the main points have to do with the timing of his votes in both the boo lynch, and the MP lynch.

In the boo lynch, Vompatti broke the tie between boo and MP in favor of lynching boo. Since we know MP is bad, to me it makes sense that his teammate would try to save him with a vote if possible.

In the MP lynch, once a lot of people started voicing that they were likely to vote MP Vompatti said he'd probably vote that way too. Then, once MP started getting a slew of votes, Vompatti threw in his vote for MP which in my experience is often where you'll find teammates voting when they know their teammate can't be saved.

There are other factors that mostly have to do with Vompatti's posts themselves, but the voting is the most concrete reason I personally suspect him.

[Vompatti]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

He agreed he was bad and discussed his partner as though he was certain that he had one, thus he knew MP was bad. Make sense?

I don't know how this could be more obviously false.

[Kate]

OK, I've got to get to work. I've seen MORE than enough.

*votes Vompatti*

[thellama73]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

He agreed he was bad and discussed his partner as though he was certain that he had one, thus he knew MP was bad. Make sense?

It doesn't actually make sense to me, but perhaps I am being dense.

I have much to think on.

[Snow Dog]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

He agreed he was bad and discussed his partner as though he was certain that he had one, thus he knew MP was bad. Make sense?

It doesn't actually make sense to me, but perhaps I am being dense.

I have much to think on.

His replies unsettle me. He seems evasive. Who do you suspect?

[reywaS]

אני חושב מצאנו השותף של MP. אני מרגישה ביטחון הצבעה עבור Vompatti.

[reywaS]

להצבעה: vompatti

[thellama73]

The "Vompatti assumed MP has a partner, therefore he must be bad" line of attack is intensely confusing to me, as a casual glance at the role list indicates that the baddies come in teams of two. I'm wondering if this might be a diversionary tactic by people who want to get the Vomp out of the way for some reason.

He agreed he was bad and discussed his partner as though he was certain that he had one, thus he knew MP was bad. Make sense?

It doesn't actually make sense to me, but perhaps I am being dense.

I have much to think on.

His replies unsettle me. He seems evasive. Who do you suspect?

My problem is that I don't have anyone who is sticking out to me as a clear suspect. That is why I am asking what may appear to be dumb questions. I am afraid of accidentally lynching a civvie again, but I don't have a clear sense of who to vote for.

In all honesty, my top suspect is probably now Kate, as she voted for Boo when MP was on the chopping block, and she seems overly aggressive in her pursuit to lynch Vompatti, who has seemed (based purely on intuition) to be legit to me.