Death Note Mafia [END]

[Turnip Head]

I do think looking at Epignosis is a great place to start for finding Higuchi, but personally I'm not convinced yet that Higuchi has even got his Death Note. If Mata or FZ passed a Death Note to Higuchi, we will become aware of it very soon through the phone call, but it hasn't happened yet, so Higuchi hunting might still be a bit premature. That said, I'm not sure which Kira would be the best to specifically look for today, other than Mikami, who's always a good bet to die. [snip]

I thought you thought FZ. was detective.

I do and nothing I said contradicts that belief. I'm obviously saying this for the sake of completeness in my speculation. This is all speculation about what would happen if she was Light, more for everyone else's sake than my own.

What do you think of my idea that Mata could potentially be Higuchi?

I don't think she's Higuchi because I think she's aligned with Metalmarsh, who I think is Ryuk. This represented a large portion of my original case on Mata and still holds true.

linki: huh? Where does it say Light can accept the Eye Deal?

For someone who is quick to use what is or isn't in the roles to help prove a point, implying that you've gone over all the revealed roles in great detail, you are very good at selectively ignoring some obvious portions of the roles, Rico.

[Ricochet]

Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

linki: Not ignored, I really went back and checked Light's details and forgot about Ryuk. And I just said to FZ. earlier that I have a real problem holding all the roles' details in one hand as to not fuck up my theories along the way, as I've proven to do throughout this game.

[Turnip Head]

Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

Why do you think L is next?

[Ricochet]

Anyway, I also think one of them, at least, took the Eye Deal. If MM is Ryuk, he also hinted in his shout-out to Mikami yesterday that "he" (read: they) knows who he is, so they probably found him in one of their kill checks, and today, that L is next.

Why do you think L is next?

Also.

And also.

[Turnip Head]

Oh okay, you're just believing the threats of a known baddie.

[DharmaHelper]

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

[Ricochet]

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

[Turnip Head]

I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be.

Rico, does this mean that you're still operating under the belief that FZ is Light until we're told otherwise from either L or from Namikawa's phone call?

[FZ.]

I can't stay, but if you read the roles again, you'll see why I'm starting to trust BR.

[Turnip Head]

Duly noted FZ.

[Marmot]

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

This is only relevant if Mikami starts killing, fyi.

[DharmaHelper]

Mikami gains BTSC with Takada only once he has started killing. If Takada is deceased at that time, Mikami will not be able to contact anyone, but god (Light) will be made aware of his true identity.

This is getting humiliating for me.

This is only relevant if Mikami starts killing, fyi.

[Ricochet]

I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be.

Rico, does this mean that you're still operating under the belief that FZ is Light until we're told otherwise from either L or from Namikawa's phone call?

FZ.'s failed lynch having the consequence of a DN transfer (announced either by L or from Namikawa's phone call and the round up of detectives input in that regard) will fuel that belief. The opposite will move it closer to an exoneration.

[Turnip Head]

You didn't answer my question. What is your current opinion of FZ's role?

[Marmot]

Hey TH, why did you vote FZ yesterday if you didn't think we should lynch her?

[Turnip Head]

Hey TH, why did you vote FZ yesterday if you didn't think we should lynch her?

Because we weren't going to stop talking about her and move onto other things until she was lynched and she had given her approval to be lynched.

[Marmot]

Who do you think llama is if you don't think he's Higuchi?

[Ricochet]

You didn't answer my question. What is your current opinion of FZ's role?

You quoted it in the question you asked me in the first place. I think the word "conflicted" is also meaningful as to what I think of her. I can't really say more until that consequence that I mentioned takes place or not.

[Turnip Head]

So you're saying you don't have an opinion one way or another about FZ right now?

[juliets]

Who do you think llama is if you don't think he's Higuchi?

Are you saying you think llama is Higuchi?

[Ricochet]

So you're saying you don't have an opinion one way or another about FZ right now?

Not a clear one, no.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

So you're criticizing my D9 vote for not doing the same thing as my previous 2 votes which you are also criticizing?

[Ricochet]

FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

So you're criticizing my D9 vote for not doing the same thing as my previous 2 votes which you are also criticizing?

They're not in the same category, but after D7 and D8 votes with no reasoning (except in the votes comments), you voted on D9 based on a reasoning you gave only when asked about it. Wasn't as inclined as FZ. to say "oh look he seems back on track now".

[zeek]

Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

[DharmaHelper]

Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

If she is Misa she can be lynched tomorrow

[Ricochet]

Caught up. I am satisfied with FZ given the lynch fail and would like to move on. (Any ideas how long we should wait to lynch Mata now we're in another day period?)

I'm interested in reviewing BR, Bass and boo. And back to work I go

Can I ask why, re: FZ?

Another Day, I think, after this one; in other words, starting D12 she would be lynchable, if she's Misa).

linki: Mata was lynched D8. Subsequent three Days means D9, D10, D11.

[Ricochet]

EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

[DharmaHelper]

EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

She would have had to give up her note in order not to be lynched, the subsequent three lynch periods being Day 8 Day 9 and Day 10.

[Ricochet]

EBWOP: By lynched, I obviously mean just that she was the lynch target.

She would have had to give up her note in order not to be lynched, the subsequent three lynch periods being Day 8 Day 9 and Day 10.

I'd ask the Host just to be sure.

[Ricochet]

MP: if Misa relinquishes her DN on the Day she is also voted to be lynched, is that Day the first of the three Days in which she is unlynchable?

[Tangrowth]

MP: if Misa relinquishes her DN on the Day she is also voted to be lynched, is that Day the first of the three Days in which she is unlynchable?

Yes, that is correct. "Subsequent" days include the three days subsequent to Misa giving up the Death Note, regardless of when she gives up the DN (during day or night).

So, if Misa gave up her DN any time before the end of the day, that day counts as the first "subsequent" day in terms of protection.

Hope that helps.

[Ricochet]

Yes it does, thanks.

My brain clearly isn't working today.

[Turnip Head]

Mmhmm.

[FZ.]

Can I just say that I love you TH (but if you turn out bad, I'm never trusting you again).

May I ask you abput your feeigs on me FZ?

Also.

And also.

I don't know who these characters even are, but I get the feeling I'm not fond of you that much :P

MM, seriously, what are you trying to do other than keep your win conditions?

[Ricochet]

SPOILERS FOR EVERYONE ELSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW

FZ., the first is L, in a clip from the episode (and the day) in which he died. That is an anime-only foreshadowing scene in which he has one last conversation with Light (and cleans his feet for some bloody reason - hey Epig, did you ever feel this scene had idk weird biblical connotations). The second is Yagami Light, just laughing like a maniac (don't remember the scene, episode).

[Turnip Head]

MM, seriously, what are you trying to do other than keep your win conditions?

He's playing the outed baddie role and he's having fun with it. He's trying to strike fear into our hearts with threats against our leader. His goal is to mislead us so his team can reach victory. He is nothing more than a distraction.

Who are you looking at for this lynch, FZ?

[FZ.]

Well I just had to give my Speaking proficiency test on topics with 0% accuracy of fucks given such as helping strangers, unpaid community work and trees. Yes, TREES. I was so close to answer that I don't care and I'd rather be at home playing Mafia right now.

RIP Watari old man. Not a good situation right now.

FZ., I am constantly trying to rely on the "extra" stuff, but I'll admit I may not be doing a very good job at it. I usually get deterred by the various levels of uncertainty in what I can deduce rather than going with it no matter how uncertain it can be. If TH, for instance, will prove to have been genuine in his help and level of deductions, that he's been kicking ass in this game - but if the contrary, he's just been very "informed".

I think there's a misunderstanding concerning the "extra" stuff. I don't mean what's going on behind the scenes in terms of powers and roles, but rather the "vibes" people are giving you. I know some players *caughEpiCaugh* look at it condescendingly, but I feel that a lot of time the "facts" tell only half of the story and reading a person by how genuine he comes off is also important. In that regard, you're more like Epi I guess. Just not sure if it's real or not.

llama, why do you think TH has been unhelpful? Are you thinking of something specific or just overall? It seems to me he's been very helpful.

I think the unlynchable Shinigami are playing for their own amusement and own motives. He's not interested in helping us, he's interested in helping himself. This has been the case all throughout the game, but you see it most recently in his pointless antagonism of me, which I presume he is doing just because he finds it funny, or he wants me dead because I am annoying to him. You saw that when he demanded I name suspects (which as I pointed out, proves nothing) and then voted for me because I didn't play along. I don't think any of it has to do with actually interest in catching Kira.

I disagree. I've been an independent role and I've tried to help the civvies most of the time. I could win with either, but since I enjoy being good more than bad, I chose to play it like I'm a civvie, and when there were 1 baddie and 1 civvie remaining, I made a deal with the civvie and helped them win. I've said this many times, TH is the player that plays the closest game to mine, in my opinion, and I think (or hope), I'm a pretty good reader of him. I think he's doing just what I described


linki: Yeah, I guess you're right, TH.
I'm going to get back to you on your question

[FZ.]

SPOILERS FOR EVERYONE ELSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOW

FZ., the first is L, in a clip from the episode (and the day) in which he died. That is an anime-only foreshadowing scene in which he has one last conversation with Light (and cleans his feet for some bloody reason - hey Epig, did you ever feel this scene had idk weird biblical connotations). The second is Yagami Light, just laughing like a maniac (don't remember the scene, episode).

Thanks. I had a feeling these were the characters.
Anyone have an idea what his win conditions can be other than outing him by lynching him twice, like TH suggested?

[FZ.]

I'm asking because aren't the detectives supposed to get rid of all Kiras and Kira supporters? How can we get rid of Hyuk? Or is he none of the above?

[Turnip Head]

We don't need all the Sympathizers dead to win, just the four Kiras. Light, Misa, Higuchi, and Mikami.

[Ricochet]

I'm asking because aren't the detectives supposed to get rid of all Kiras and Kira supporters? How can we get rid of Hyuk? Or is he none of the above?

Just Kiras, FZs. We cannot get rid of any Shinigami. Only Rem can die by sacrificing herself.

linki: ninja'd

[FZ.]

I'm conflicted about FZ. post-lynch, because I said L's report afterwards would be most relevant and now he'll either be killed before submitting one or will have to be really insinuative about a DN transfer (he didn't exactly put the information out there, in case Matahari is Misa, which makes me believe he can only hint at it) if he can still get a message through in time. Of course there's still the survey on Higuchi we might get (for Namikawa's phone call) to point out if Light let go of his DN and Higuchi has it now. If none of this happens or is clear, I think it's possible FZ. is actually what she claims to be. (Unlike Epig, FZ., I will probably offer some post-game apologies if you prove to be a detective, because the whole thing will prove once and for all how much I suck at trusting player's genuine civ claims, judging by this game and Film ).

I'm not sure about her connection with Boomslang's kill either, wasn't our understanding of Kira's kills that he still has to schedule them during the Night, even if he delays them until later during the next Day? I get that she could still have been aware of this kill, if she's part of Team Light, but in that case, like TH said, I see no reason or positive outcome for her to comment openly about this right before it happened.

FZ., why do you find DP genuine? His D7 vote was "I'm going where all the most votes are going". His D8 was "I'm voting with Mata because I agree with her voters". His D9 vote was "I'm going with Bass even if it's currently pointless".

Also, I forgot to post earlier, but: you said you don't give a shit about the theme and it's too complicated to follow and that doesn't make you a baddie (when Epig criticized you), but are critical of me apparently not relying enoough on the "extra" stuff?

Not sure about Llama, even though he said he could come with many good options, then just circled back to FZ. and TH (+ Epig). I wouldn't be surprised for him to be a detective with a vision the length of Laerdal Tunnel.

Also, even though I get how Epig would be most suspicious for his gameplay, I don't know how I feel about throwing in so many new and unverified names for Higuchi, when context points at Mata being either him or Misa. I find that a better statistical likelihood compared to normal gameplay interpretations. Then again, I seem to be the only one so far believing that, so give me more insight on why Epig would really stick out as an obvious Higuchi, because when the time comes for the detectives to answer the survey for Namikawa's call, it'd be definitely a good idea not to spread our votes much.

Is it possible in any way to frame me with the DN passing hands? Could they do it just to make L think it passed, or with all the unlynchable lynches, is it impossible?

As for DP, I can't say I can fully read him, but he comes off like he's got nothing to hide, like he's following what he feels like. Again, I'm judging by how I play, but I'd feel the need to not vote like that if I were a baddie, because I'd be afraid of how it may look. That said, I've already realized I expect too much of people, so who knows.

linki: Oh, right. I'm sorry, I just keep forgetting everything with so much information. I'm having a hard time keeping up, and I can't be bothered to go back and read every time I don't remember things

[FZ.]

TH, is Rico still your top suspect at the moment?

[Turnip Head]

Rico is the person I'm most convinced is a baddie at the moment, but I don't think he's someone that we need to lynch today.

And omg FZ don't give then any ideas on how to frame you

[juliets]

TH, who do you think we should lynch today or would you rather not say yet.

[Turnip Head]

I think we still need to lynch Light before Higuchi becomes vulnerable, but that won't be confirmed until the end of this lynch at the earliest and the end of tomorrow's lynch at the latest, because that's when Namikawa's call will take place if Mata or FZ passed the Death Note to Higuchi. If we don't get the call soon, Higuchi still can't be lynched, meaning Light is still killing. MM made it seem like his team was responsible for the Boomslang kill and that they plan to kill L soon, so I believe they still have the Death Note.

Since I'm willing to wait on Namikawa's call for confirmation about the Death Note, the role I'm most interested in lynching today is Mikami, and Bass is still my top suspect for that role. I want to find other suspects for this role too because I'm not fully convinced about Bass yet.

But as I said, I believe Light is still killing, so I'm in the process of gathering suspects for this role still.

[FZ.]

Rico is the person I'm most convinced is a baddie at the moment, but I don't think he's someone that we need to lynch today.

And omg FZ don't give then any ideas on how to frame you

If it makes the note change hands, it's worth it if we know about it. Those who want to suspect me will do it anyway. Those who want to think, will think

[Ricochet]

Is it possible in any way to frame me with the DN passing hands? Could they do it just to make L think it passed, or with all the unlynchable lynches, is it impossible?

Possible? Yes. Did Light show any intention so far to relinquish his DN under any circumstances except if he would face lynch pressure? Not really. But... *sigh* this is exactly the type of commentary from you that still makes me wonder (those "vibes" you mentioned) why would you choose, as a civ, to go through this kind of exposure danger.

Not sure I understand your second question. How can L get a false impression that the DN has passed? He is made aware when it happens, no more no less. What possible subterfuge could Light or his gang come up with?

[Ricochet]

I think we still need to lynch Light before Higuchi becomes vulnerable, but that won't be confirmed until the end of this lynch at the earliest and the end of tomorrow's lynch at the latest, because that's when Namikawa's call will take place if Mata or FZ passed the Death Note to Higuchi. If we don't get the call soon, Higuchi still can't be lynched, meaning Light is still killing. MM made it seem like his team was responsible for the Boomslang kill and that they plan to kill L soon, so I believe they still have the Death Note.

Since I'm willing to wait on Namikawa's call for confirmation about the Death Note, the role I'm most interested in lynching today is Mikami, and Bass is still my top suspect for that role. I want to find other suspects for this role too because I'm not fully convinced about Bass yet.

But as I said, I believe Light is still killing, so I'm in the process of gathering suspects for this role still.

You had a problem with me saying basically the same thing.

[Turnip Head]

You had a problem with me saying basically the same thing.

For a very specific reason.