Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#2101

How did I "set up" LC? I defended him at every opportunity. Sophie, you keep saying things that are blatantly untrue and expecting people to believe them.

#2102

thellama73 wrote:How did I "set up" LC? I defended him at every opportunity. Sophie, you keep saying things that are blatantly untrue and expecting people to believe them.

im not saying anything im just quoting an LC post?

#2103

Sophie wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:

It was brought up by LC. He made a whole case on how Lama set him up. It was very convincing. And Yes he calls me out too. Like that's a suprize.

Long Con wrote:Day 1 Lynch poll
Day 2 Lynch poll
Day 3 Lynch poll
Day 4 Lynch poll
Day 5 Lynch poll

Day 1: Llama votes for his teammate, Zombarella. Votes off the main stream to start establishing a pattern of being the only voter for someone.

Day 2: Llama is the only one to vote for Elohcin

Day 3: Llama is the only one to vote for Elohcin (poll was reset after his early vote, but it still counted)

Day 4: Llama is the only vote for Zombarella

Day 5: Llama votes off the main stretch again, for Zombarella

Llama is casting these votes because he's a baddie, and he doesn't want Judge Doom's effect to cause a disruption in his voting pattern.

He's voting Zombarella for distancing, because she is his teammate.

This will probably be my last living post, unless RK Maroon is alive and wants to save me.

Watch the voting patterns, people. They tell all. Lynch Rabbit too, that's just fine. Thanks for the giggles.

i was reading rabbit posts and came across this. This is the case LC did on llama. Maybe LC did want revenge of the baddies who set him up, and he KNEW llama was bad because he made him vote off -for me, maybe-. What do u think of this?

LC made that case on llama before he voted for you, so that doesn't hold up. He wouldn't have known at that point llama was bad even if what you suggest is true and the vote for you was controlled.

#2104

oh wait no day 5 was you. I don't know I think I am going to need a little more than a speculaion on forced vote.

#2105

What's your case for rabbit, fs? (I know you've probably said many times....but a repeat never hurts!

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#2106

fingersplints wrote:I sent Elo's name in for my one night submission. No offense to Golden, but Elo was the last confirmed civvie to be killed. I always go with the last out because they are usually still the most into the game.

I don't think it's on topic to say - that I have done a very careful reread of the entire thread. Rezz please!

I won't be offended if Elo is rezzed, though.

#2107

I don't really have much of a case on him canuck. Just based on narrowing down some things. And LC also thought he was bad. I need to read back and see if that suspicion continue. rabbit was accusing LC from early on. I would guess rabbit would be one of the first LC would try to control the vote of.

I'll try and reread some people later and see if I can reevaluate a couple possibilites.

#2108

well, something work related came up and i gotta go now but be back later to continue my rereadings

#2109

fingersplints wrote:I don't really have much of a case on him canuck. Just based on narrowing down some things. And LC also thought he was bad. I need to read back and see if that suspicion continue. rabbit was accusing LC from early on. I would guess rabbit would be one of the first LC would try to control the vote of.

I'll try and reread some people later and see if I can reevaluate a couple possibilites.

Interesting...I dunno if rabbit has any forced votes, though? Maybe when he voted MP instead of LC?
But also, I don't know that LC would've been able to target "rabbit". It seems more likely we would've had to target "Stupid" or "greasy", so I dont think his likelihood to target rabbit matters?

#2110

Canucklehead wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I don't really have much of a case on him canuck. Just based on narrowing down some things. And LC also thought he was bad. I need to read back and see if that suspicion continue. rabbit was accusing LC from early on. I would guess rabbit would be one of the first LC would try to control the vote of.

I'll try and reread some people later and see if I can reevaluate a couple possibilites.
Interesting...I dunno if rabbit has any forced votes, though? Maybe when he voted MP instead of LC?
But also, I don't know that LC would've been able to target "rabbit". It seems more likely we would've had to target "Stupid" or "greasy", so I dont think his likelihood to target rabbit matters?

how would he know which weasels would be alive and not NK'd? I think selecting a player to control seems more likely for that reason, but that's just me.

#2111

I'm kind of out of ideas tbh

#2112

hopefully the night will tell us something

#2113

Well, it ain't gonna tell anybody anything for at least another half an hour. I'm not prepared!

Children.

However, Night 7 has ended.

#2114

Night 7: A Maaaaaaan!

The lottery was over.

“A winner has been chosen! And here she is...Lena Hyena!”

A frightful creature in a red dress appeared and howled: “A maaaaaaaaaan!”

During the distraction, the Toon Patrol removed a womaaaaaaaaaaan.

Black Rock has been killed by the Weasels. It is now Day 8. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

#2115

PonySparkPrime · #2116

Well hello....

I am here to assist the town. I guess you have no reason to trust me but by my actions. So let's see what I have to say.

I'll start with my order of suspicion - from first to last.

People who I do not intend to vote today.

1) Blindfaeth. I can't see him being bad under any circumstances. Amongst the first to call out Aces, Zombie, Bass AND Niju.
2) Canuck - looks pretty civ to me. Have a role in mind.
3) Splints - see Canuck, but slightly less certain.
4) MP - he seems legit to me.
5) Llama. Interesting that some people say llama would chase a teammate from day one. But I don't think it's what llama says, but what zombie says, that is telling here. Zombie makes llama look civ to me. More on this later.

People who I might vote today

6) Sophie - I have seen nothing in sophie's game which makes me confirm she is civ like the 5 above. Not my most suspicious.
7) Bea - bea hasn't said much. On the other hand, her perception of the golden lynch was that the baddies might have killed 'three birds with one stone' in killing golden and making rabbit and MP look bad, so if niju is in fact not bad she could be the teammate of....
8) Rabbit. Not 100% certain rabbit is bad, but at the moment he seems like the most likely candidate to me. Again, I think zombie's posts are the most interesting. I'll explain more in due course.

#2117

Rip br

Well, hello stranger

PonySparkPrime · #2118

Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).

The huge asset post.

Are we to believe that Zombie made a big slip in relation to Aces, but in the very same post cleverly distanced herself from another teammate? This would seem most schizophrenic to me.

#2119

Hi Lena!

Welcome to toontown.

How long will you be with us? Are you a former player? I saw you mentioned you get to vote, that's nifty.

It will be nice to hear some fresh insight. I look forward to your posts

#2120

Shocking, the baddies are so mean.

#2121

BR

Welcome Lena.

PonySparkPrime · #2122

I am with you for as long as you trust me. If you decide to put me in the dip, I guess I will expire.

I for one do not think we should trust that anyone is or is not bad who died without their roles being revealed. Nightkills could bounce. We could simply be assuming wrong. So I shall not take into account Eloh's posts as 'confirmed civ' or Niju's posts as 'confirmed baddie'. I will be relying only on things I know to be true. The town has not lynched a civilian yet. I hope the streak continues.

#2123

golden was lynched and was a civvie.

PonySparkPrime · #2124

Zomberella12 wrote:Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**

Zombie pre Golden lynch - when I believe she knew she could do and say whatever she wanted and Golden would still be lynched.

Zomberella12 wrote: RIP Golden. Even when cursed, you were a helpful civ. I will miss you.

If MP had a switch, why did he need to vote Rabbit to save himself? This result makes me think that the baddies are experienced (and possibly sadistic) players. Having Aces flip bad, made Golden look good. Now having Golden flip good, makes MP look bad. Maybe there's more than one lynch switch power. This is too much thinking for a Friday night.

Here is my sexy song.
http://youtu.be/5Il1ivUR-2E

Zombie post Golden lynch - why did this make MP look bad as opposed to rabbit - someone with nearly as many votes. Given the first lynch, wouldn't the baddies be just as worried if they had the second most votes?

linki - fingersplints. I trust Golden's words because he was civ, although I don't know how much of what he had to say was fact and how much speculation. I also trust the words of those whose role I think I have figured out as specific civilian roles. Elo and Niju are not included in those people.

PonySparkPrime · #2125

Oh, I see your point. Golden was lynched. But he was not lynched by the town.

#2126

I'm not saying I don't trust Golden or anything, but he was technically lynched, although we aren't exactly sure why

I just trusted Elo a lot as well.

MP is off the poll. I think that is ok since he is a civvie.

#2127

fingersplints wrote:I don't buy it. when do you think LC supposedly forced llama's vote? His votes have been very consistant this whole game

LCs whole case on lama was made after the set up by the baddies. He did not pic Zomba who was still alive, he picked Lama. Are we really going to dimiss this. LC was non to happy about being set up by bass. And of all the people to give him shit after the set up Lama was not one of them. Lama did not want to vote for LC at the time.

Now why on earth would LC go after Lama in a case about voting before he was confirmed to be the Judge and after he was basically outed by the baddies. I can't believe this is even a question.

#2128

Do you think lena is the rezzed player? Was it a lottery? Did the host scrambled all the names we submitted and took one out? If thats the case, then we have more chances on lena being former civvie rhan former baddie
What do u guys think?

#2129

Canucklehead wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I don't really have much of a case on him canuck. Just based on narrowing down some things. And LC also thought he was bad. I need to read back and see if that suspicion continue. rabbit was accusing LC from early on. I would guess rabbit would be one of the first LC would try to control the vote of.

I'll try and reread some people later and see if I can reevaluate a couple possibilites.
Interesting...I dunno if rabbit has any forced votes, though? Maybe when he voted MP instead of LC?
But also, I don't know that LC would've been able to target "rabbit". It seems more likely we would've had to target "Stupid" or "greasy", so I dont think his likelihood to target rabbit matters?

I voted for MP o I was not lynched. I was the other player with votes. Just sayin.

PonySparkPrime · #2130

Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?

#2131

Hey everyone! I'm here. But I haven't caught up on posts yet. I just checked the host post and wanted to say RIP BR and that I won't really be around until after my midterm of DOOM tomorrow. Thankfully, it seems I should have a good two hours or so after my test is over, but I may not be around at all until then. And hello, Lena!

#2132

EBWOP: two hours or so from after my test until this day period ends, if that wasn't clear

#2133

Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?

How in the world would you draw that conclusion from what FS said?

#2134

Lena Hyena wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**
Zombie pre Golden lynch - when I believe she knew she could do and say whatever she wanted and Golden would still be lynched.

Zomberella12 wrote: RIP Golden. Even when cursed, you were a helpful civ. I will miss you.

If MP had a switch, why did he need to vote Rabbit to save himself? This result makes me think that the baddies are experienced (and possibly sadistic) players. Having Aces flip bad, made Golden look good. Now having Golden flip good, makes MP look bad. Maybe there's more than one lynch switch power. This is too much thinking for a Friday night.

Here is my sexy song.
http://youtu.be/5Il1ivUR-2E
Zombie post Golden lynch - why did this make MP look bad as opposed to rabbit - someone with nearly as many votes. Given the first lynch, wouldn't the baddies be just as worried if they had the second most votes?

linki - fingersplints. I trust Golden's words because he was civ, although I don't know how much of what he had to say was fact and how much speculation. I also trust the words of those whose role I think I have figured out as specific civilian roles. Elo and Niju are not included in those people.

lol, Ok so she wants me to get lynched. What's your point? You think this was her distancing herself from me?
Yeah, OK. Right.

PonySparkPrime · #2135

rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?
How in the world would you draw that conclusion from what FS said?

I don't understand FS's post at all, and draw no conclusions from it. But, I did ask the question which I thought would be most likely to clarify what FS did mean.

#2136

So glad you're taking this seriously rabbit.

Linki.

#2137

Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?

No. That wasn't what I was saying in the slightest. No one is questioning whether Golden was a civvie. I take issue with you discrediting Elo. I think their opinions are equal as they are both civvies.

Also, I haven't seen any other evidence of this target switching you suggested so I have no reason to even start speculating at this point that such an ability exists. It seems likely that one doesn't given the accuracy of some abilities we have seen (LC's vote controls being one)

#2138

Lena Hyena wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?
How in the world would you draw that conclusion from what FS said?
I don't understand FS's post at all, and draw no conclusions from it. But, I did ask the question which I thought would be most likely to clarify what FS did mean.

What exactly don't you understand? I am honestly confused by your confusion. I trust dead lynched Golden. I trust dead NK'd Elo.

#2139

blindfaeth wrote:

So glad you're taking this seriously rabbit.

Linki.

Taking what seriously? A dead unknown player accusing me with no strings attached to them. No. I'm not.

Because I know I'm not bad. I know I will make it through to tonight as well. So I don't fucking care one way or the other. I will vote Lama today. In fact, fuck it.

Lama.

Vote how you feel.

PonySparkPrime · #2140

rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**
Zombie pre Golden lynch - when I believe she knew she could do and say whatever she wanted and Golden would still be lynched.

Zomberella12 wrote: RIP Golden. Even when cursed, you were a helpful civ. I will miss you.

If MP had a switch, why did he need to vote Rabbit to save himself? This result makes me think that the baddies are experienced (and possibly sadistic) players. Having Aces flip bad, made Golden look good. Now having Golden flip good, makes MP look bad. Maybe there's more than one lynch switch power. This is too much thinking for a Friday night.

Here is my sexy song.
http://youtu.be/5Il1ivUR-2E
Zombie post Golden lynch - why did this make MP look bad as opposed to rabbit - someone with nearly as many votes. Given the first lynch, wouldn't the baddies be just as worried if they had the second most votes?

linki - fingersplints. I trust Golden's words because he was civ, although I don't know how much of what he had to say was fact and how much speculation. I also trust the words of those whose role I think I have figured out as specific civilian roles. Elo and Niju are not included in those people.

lol, Ok so she wants me to get lynched. What's your point? You think this was her distancing herself from me?
Yeah, OK. Right.

This is funny, because... ?

The only day she voted for you is a day I believe she already knew who was being lynched. If you want any more evidence of the fact zombie knew who was going to be lynched, read zombie's posts around the day two lynch... they read very much as a fiction designed to sound surprised. Zombie's posts around the day 2 lynch leave me in no doubt that the day 2 lynch was a baddie lynch switch.

At this point I make my suspect list based entirely on the posts of zombie from the beginning of the game to the point she died. I feel like her posts make MP and llama very likely civvies, while I think of the three I suspect could be bad (sophie, bea, rabbit) they make you look the worst. I'm not convinced I'm right - but laughing at me isn't going to help you look good. Actually your first two posts make me think your agenda is to discredit me. I don't agree with you that llama is bad. What else have you got?

#2141

Lena Hyena wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?
How in the world would you draw that conclusion from what FS said?
I don't understand FS's post at all, and draw no conclusions from it. But, I did ask the question which I thought would be most likely to clarify what FS did mean.

You can't understand her posts but we are to believe you understand anything? Give me a break. Her posts on the subject have been so straight forward its ridiculous you can't understand them.

PonySparkPrime · #2142

fingersplints wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:Splints, I agree with MP's analysis of the first three lynches. I do not see any civilian reason for the lynch of Golden. He had no votes. No matter what happened, even if it was a rogue civilian who killed golden, I do not consider him to be lynched by the town. Are you trying to express that we should not be convinced that Golden was a civilian and that I should treat his words the same way as, say, Elo's words?
How in the world would you draw that conclusion from what FS said?
I don't understand FS's post at all, and draw no conclusions from it. But, I did ask the question which I thought would be most likely to clarify what FS did mean.
What exactly don't you understand? I am honestly confused by your confusion. I trust dead lynched Golden. I trust dead NK'd Elo.

OK. There is no reason for you to explain why you trust Elo. You have been very firm on the matter and so I will trust you and consider taking Elo's thoughts at face value.

I was only trying to warn against complacency and assumption.

#2143

Lena Hyena wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Lena Hyena wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:Okay. I've been reading and reading and I need to just make a decision.

I don't like Rabbit's playstyle (I think it's abusive), Rabbit seems sophisticated enough to run a chaos baddie campaign (which is what I think is happening), Golden thinks Rabbit is bad and I'm trusting Golden (partly because of the curse), LC things Rabbit is misguided (or bad).

I don't like MM's playstyle (I think it's basically missing), MM deflected a lynch to a baddie somehow (possibly to make himself look civ - possibly by accident), ...you know...I'm convincing myself that I want to vote for Rabbit. This is not the first time I have brought up Rabbit. If you want more info re my vote, read my previous posts.

**VOTES RABBIT**
Zombie pre Golden lynch - when I believe she knew she could do and say whatever she wanted and Golden would still be lynched.

Zomberella12 wrote: RIP Golden. Even when cursed, you were a helpful civ. I will miss you.

If MP had a switch, why did he need to vote Rabbit to save himself? This result makes me think that the baddies are experienced (and possibly sadistic) players. Having Aces flip bad, made Golden look good. Now having Golden flip good, makes MP look bad. Maybe there's more than one lynch switch power. This is too much thinking for a Friday night.

Here is my sexy song.
http://youtu.be/5Il1ivUR-2E
Zombie post Golden lynch - why did this make MP look bad as opposed to rabbit - someone with nearly as many votes. Given the first lynch, wouldn't the baddies be just as worried if they had the second most votes?

linki - fingersplints. I trust Golden's words because he was civ, although I don't know how much of what he had to say was fact and how much speculation. I also trust the words of those whose role I think I have figured out as specific civilian roles. Elo and Niju are not included in those people.

lol, Ok so she wants me to get lynched. What's your point? You think this was her distancing herself from me?
Yeah, OK. Right.
This is funny, because... ?

The only day she voted for you is a day I believe she already knew who was being lynched. If you want any more evidence of the fact zombie knew who was going to be lynched, read zombie's posts around the day two lynch... they read very much as a fiction designed to sound surprised. Zombie's posts around the day 2 lynch leave me in no doubt that the day 2 lynch was a baddie lynch switch.

At this point I make my suspect list based entirely on the posts of zombie from the beginning of the game to the point she died. I feel like her posts make MP and llama very likely civvies, while I think of the three I suspect could be bad (sophie, bea, rabbit) they make you look the worst. I'm not convinced I'm right - but laughing at me isn't going to help you look good. Actually your first two posts make me think your agenda is to discredit me. I don't agree with you that llama is bad. What else have you got?

I've never once in my history of playing mafia tried to look good. I don't care. I'm not bad. I don't need to look good. I need to find baddies.

#2144

I have to agree. The first thing I thought when I saw rabbit post was that he was trying to discredit Lena.

Obviously, I'm not sure if she's right, but I think she is mostly on the right track and trusting the right people. Lena can you clarify why you're so convinced llama is good?

#2145

blindfaeth wrote:I have to agree. The first thing I thought when I saw rabbit post was that he was trying to discredit Lena.

Obviously, I'm not sure if she's right, but I think she is mostly on the right track and trusting the right people. Lena can you clarify why you're so convinced llama is good?

lol, of course I am, she's accusing me. I'm not bad no matter if you think I am or not.

#2146

Fwiw I can also see that zombs vote as being an LC forced vote.

#2147

Why did the rabbit cross the road?
He wanted to get fur away.

PonySparkPrime · #2148

I was just posting my thoughts. I was not expecting all out war or attack. Apologies, I'm not going to engage in a spitting match.

My view is very simple. Someone framed Roger Rabbit. I do not believe it was llama. I believe Zombie's posts could hold the key. If you want to catch baddies, then engage with me instead of trying to discredit me.

#2149

thellama73 wrote:Why did the rabbit cross the road?
He wanted to get fur away.

#2150

Lena Hyena wrote:I was just posting my thoughts. I was not expecting all out war or attack. Apologies, I'm not going to engage in a spitting match.

My view is very simple. Someone framed Roger Rabbit. I do not believe it was llama. I believe Zombie's posts could hold the key. If you want to catch baddies, then engage with me instead of trying to discredit me.

What do Hyena trains run on?
A laugh track

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