Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#2351

Lena Hyena wrote:What I'm worried about, sophie, is that rabbit has YOU fooled... not that I don't have to trust you. That's why I'm asking you about your change in opinion.

It could be but i dont think its the case. Yesterday i thought "well, maybe he got me fooled all game and theres a chance he might be the baddie", but i honestly dont feel that anymore today

#2352

Boogs says he's the only good kitty and that beat a naughty kitty

#2353

What else was weird about that 3 stones post was at the time I don't think anyone else even considered rabbit as being suspicious bc of the lynch switch. Maybe she was trying to subtly plant the idea he could have done it also in our heads.

#2354

I played a shit game. For sure. I understand that and I accept it. I'm still not a baddie. Someone is fooling you guys.

#2355

bea wrote:I played a shit game. For sure. I understand that and I accept it. I'm still not a baddie. Someone is fooling you guys.

Who, bea?

#2356

Bf: what were the results of your fs read through again?

PonySparkPrime · #2357

Truth be told, I do think the civs will probably win this game... unless someone has us really fooled...

Like, if there is genuinely one baddie left against seven civs, one kill every two days isn't going to cut it... you have to rely on the civs lynching each other.

So phoning it in wouldn't surprise me, really.

#2358

Just as an extra paranoid thing: have we ruled out the possibility that Lena is bad? How are we sure that she's working for us?

#2359

I honestly want to vote bea. It just fits the best with what I know/believe.

PonySparkPrime · #2360

I wouldn't just trust me because I'm golden if I were you either canuck.

I haven't been told why I am back but I am making the same assumption as everyone else - some people put their votes from all the various contests towards me and my name was drawn out of the hat. I don't know if I would have been recruited if it was a baddie vote for me that got pulled out of the hat, but I also don't know why a baddie would have voted for me. What I do know is that I was told I was still me. The sock was for my protection (epi lets me choose not to come straight out of the gate as golden) but I'm sure it was also for your paranoia, as well.

So hopefully the best thing you have to work on is this - I'm not forcing my will on anyone, I'm getting myself involved in proper, robust, analytical discussion with the people I think are most likely to be civs, and I'm really seeing the game the same way you guys are seeing the game.

#2361

Does anybody want to know what I think?

#2362

I think that my 666th post is going to be something truely evil. Bwahahahahaha!

#2363

You are far too nice to be evil, zombs!

#2364

Canucklehead wrote:
bea wrote:I played a shit game. For sure. I understand that and I accept it. I'm still not a baddie. Someone is fooling you guys.
Who, bea?

If I knew that Canuck, dn't you think I would have said so by now?

I've had civ feels about everyone this game. I'm seeing you make great cases. Like amazingly great cases this game. I tend to trust you most. You seem to trust FS and BF lots so I've thought them civ.

Lena makes some strong points about Sophie for example. But my meta for Sophie just doesn't match up. I've been on a baddie team with her more than once. I know she and I tend to fly more under the radar as bad. I always associate "over the top" Sophie with civ sophie.

Wabbit was wrong about LC trying to take down a weasel with him - but I can completely see why he thought that. And to be honest - is anyone thinking "it must be wabbit" JUST because it's wabbit? And he's good at being bad? Cuz I've tried to be paranoid about him this game, but tbh - he's made sense to me when he's been around.

MP's outburst felt genuine. And he's

and I don't even know what to think about him right now. I've tried to see him as a baddie in this game - that's why I asked if anyone else thought he might be hard distancing with BF - because that really is more MP's baddie style and BF was the only person I recall him having any sort of spat with.

So - that's how I see the playing this game.

And then there's me. I've been distracted. I've missed crutial votes. I've done everything wrong a person could do in a game. Somehow I haven't been lynched yet when tbh - I should have been - DAYS ago - and I said as much DAYS ago. My head never really got into this game. I've admitted it for a long time. I'm sorry for that. Both to you players and to epi- who created a really fun game that felt like a great old time game where the lulz were at least as important as the lynching and the killing (I miss the lulz in the game so much. So very much.) I dropped this ball. And I'm especially sorry to black rock who played her heart out and really deserved to win. I do not deserve to win. I played like crap. But the civs deserve to win in general. Myself excluded.

And you presented an excellent case against me. If anyone had behaved as I have, I would suspect them too. I would be saying "I think they are bad." I would be voting them. But I'm not a baddie. And lynching me doesn't get the civs any closer to winning.

If the smarter more involved people in this game - can find something in that mess of other players who have also felt civ to me all game, by all means - please do. I want my vote to count. I'm at a loss here tbh.

#2365

I will not be voting Bea. I think she is a civvie

#2366

thank you splintsy - any ideas where you are thinking of voting?

#2367

Rabbit or Sophie

#2368

fair enough.

My issue with thinking sophie is bad - and I mean no offense here sophie - is that while she could have changed her game play in her absense - god knows everyone at RM could smell baddie bea and baddie sophie like a 100000 miles away - would she be that wise this soon?

Or - and again - you guys are penciling in roles I haven't even tried to do - thinking that she somehow got played by wabbit?

Also- lana made a good point about sophie suspecting wabbit - and now all - if I die let that tell you not to lynch wabbit. I thought that particular role was elohish? Or am I remembering the hinting wrong?

See- I'm trying to be involvoled and IDK what the eff I'm talking about.

hey lana - drfunk bea is even more awesome in the wee hours!!

#2369

I'm not going allow myself to be convinced otherwise either. I knew llama was a civvie and I allowed myself to be paranoid and question my trust in him. turns out he was Exactly who I thought

Sophie's insisted he was bad. I think her outbursts were strange (like canuck said no one is really getting credit for any lynches. It's a team game) and now I wonder if that was all staged since it seems unlikely

Linki - I do have roles pencilled in and she doesn't have one. Rabbit I have one in mind for but may be wrong

#2370

fingersplints wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:@Llama and MP - How to you feel about Golden's vote? Is it legit?

linki - I was thinking the same think about Llama.

@ Golden - You do have a case against Aces, but it's not really fair to say that the case on MM is pointless. I brought it up earlier too. Early votes, even self-votes, aren't helpful and could be a signal of a baddie trying to hide. Have you ever seen a baddie do this before? If yes, then it is fair to look at MM and Llama too. I'm just saying that we don't have very much to go on yet. If we vote Aces and he flips civ, then we just lost a huge asset. If we vote MM or Llama and they flip civ, then we just lost a joker early voter. I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote (and that does not make me a flip-floper! It makes me thoughtful).
I feel like you are defending Aces way too much. How much have you played with Aces? What makes him a "huge asset" over llama or MM?

I think I still trust fs but I'll try to lay out why. For one, she is the first to point out zombras huge asset comment. Which haunts her all game tbh.

#2371

Sorry I can't be as conclusive as I wanted. But now I'm being wishy washy. Let me get my thoughts out quick.

So day one she wasn't suspicious of aces but was of zomb, can see that being good or bad. Also doesn't suspect bass for a while but is one of the individuals pressing him which leads to the fake slip.

#2372

fingersplints wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:I used to suspect Elo and now I do not.
Elo used to suspect me and now she does not.

Based on that, I think that we should all look to lynch players who are laying low, still posting, but not contributing. Not that it matters I guess. In this game, the people we lynch never die. Maybe I should be begging you all to vote for me. (Not really, don't vote for me).

@ MP - You can't compare my baddie hunting in this game with my campaign against Snowman. That wouldn't be fair. I have been actively hunting Llama who I think is bad. He doesn't post so no one else agrees, but in time, I think you will all see that I am right about him.

@ Splints - Really? You think I've been bad this whole game? Well, nice of you to say so now that others brought it up.

@ Llama - Since I have been gunning for you for several days, I don't think it's a no U to say, "let's all talk about Llama." Early votes, doesn't post, votes without reasons, could easily be masterminding the lynch hyjinks.

Wtf are you talking about nice of me to bring it up now? I've voted for you in the past. and have said already before my suspicion of you was as strong as ever

This exchange felt genuine to me, but what do others think.

#2373

fingersplints wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.
Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-
I had the same feeling about both. I always get a bit paranoid about quieter players since they seem careful and don't really post enough to give you any reason to be able to suspect them. I'm not sure if I would consider either quieter then normal. I'm trying to compare ninja's game now to when I have seen her as a baddie, but I can only think of Zelda she was bad in. so I'm curious what llama thinks since he was her teammate that game. (I guess Elo too since she was her teammate that game too. no offense Elo, but I trust llama more this game, and that's the only reason I am more curious what he thinks)
I don't know about bass. I was giving him the BOTD for all the game since he has RL stuff, but i agree he should be looked closer at. I am not suspicious of him for voting me, but I don't like that he still really hasn't elaborated. I guess I just feel that if he was bad, he would have voted for one of the more serious vote getters instead of voting for me. but I'd have to check the timing of his vote and how many were placed/left to see. When I saw his mom last though, she did say he learned everything he knows about mafia from SVS, so he might be more devious then expected

FS, can you explain why you went from agreeing with me about bea and zomb here to thinking bea is civ?

This post reads genuine to me but it could also be subtly defending nijuu and bass.

#2374

I guess my hesitance to read Sophie as bad is just that I cannot fathom a baddie doing the indignant act to the level that Sophie has because I just don't get how it benefits them......but since people keep insisting that Sophie's meta is that she's a quiet, reserved baddie, and since she herself has (vociferously) referred to those "vouches" for her, and since we're really running out of options....then yeah. I guess maybe she is doing a great fucking meta ploy and has totally snowed me.

I'm willing to defer to others on this. The things that were helping me to see the baddieness in bass and ninja and zomb have really dried up, so I don't have anything to feel confident about.

#2375

So, at this point right now (and I say that in full recognition that I'm feeling waffly as shit right now and have no solid ideas of who is bad), I am most inclined to vote:
1) Sophie
2) Rabbit
3)bea
4) MP
5) Lena
6) fs
7) bf
8) Canuck

#2376

blindfaeth wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: What is everyone else thinking? I feel we definitely need to see if we can have more discussion today because there was not enough last Day period.
Yeah, there was definitely not enough chatter last day period. And the vote was super scattered because of it.

I think my gut is telling me bea or zombs, personally. I'd also like to point spotlights at Bass and nijuu - if for no other reason, I sense they are flying way under the radar. I don't hear them being mentioned enough at all. Does anyone have a reason these two could be naughty? Their relative silence makes me nervous-
I had the same feeling about both. I always get a bit paranoid about quieter players since they seem careful and don't really post enough to give you any reason to be able to suspect them. I'm not sure if I would consider either quieter then normal. I'm trying to compare ninja's game now to when I have seen her as a baddie, but I can only think of Zelda she was bad in. so I'm curious what llama thinks since he was her teammate that game. (I guess Elo too since she was her teammate that game too. no offense Elo, but I trust llama more this game, and that's the only reason I am more curious what he thinks)
I don't know about bass. I was giving him the BOTD for all the game since he has RL stuff, but i agree he should be looked closer at. I am not suspicious of him for voting me, but I don't like that he still really hasn't elaborated. I guess I just feel that if he was bad, he would have voted for one of the more serious vote getters instead of voting for me. but I'd have to check the timing of his vote and how many were placed/left to see. When I saw his mom last though, she did say he learned everything he knows about mafia from SVS, so he might be more devious then expected
FS, can you explain why you went from agreeing with me about bea and zomb here to thinking bea is civ?

This post reads genuine to me but it could also be subtly defending nijuu and bass.

I will try to explain to the best of my ability.
A baddie Bea would have been more invested for her team. And I have seen her say these exact same things before as a civvie. perhaps MP will come around soon and can say if he sees the same similarities I see from the last game on ksite.

#2377

Canucklehead wrote:So, at this point right now (and I say that in full recognition that I'm feeling waffly as shit right now and have no solid ideas of who is bad), I am most inclined to vote:
1) Sophie
2) Rabbit
3)bea
4) MP
5) Lena
6) fs
7) bf
8) Canuck

I'll do this too. mine goes:

1. sophie
2. rabbit
3. Lena
4. BF
5. Canuck
6. Bea
7. MP
8. fs

#2378

fs, why so sure of MP? LC suggested a while ago that maybe the baddies have powers that mimic the civ ones, and that has troubled me about MP alllllll game.

#2379

I believe I said a similar thing as LC. While I was consdieting maybe the baddies had a similar ability, I don't see how it is possible and unable to be faked. do you have a reason to believe MP is a certain role as well? I don't want to put him here so I'm being careful

#2380

*considering

#2381

*out

Man I suck at life. hopefully the rest is understandable

#2382

I have MP in a certain role in ink. My only hesitation is the baddie-mimic possibility, but if lots of other people ALSO have him inked in, then I think that reduces the likelihood of baddie faking, since some sort of conflict would've come up by now, and it would just be too risky...

#2383

I really wish Elo had survived longer and we would have had this sorted days ago.
the subject backs up the claim, canuck. I hope you can get what I mean

#2384

I'm also really paranoid about Lena/Golden and a Rez/recruit type possibility since we know dead baddies could participate in challenges. but I can't see me voting that way

#2385

Really guys? You want to vote for me now? Not only logic tells you that a baddie wont behave like i did, but people who have played with me a lot says theres no way ill act like this as a baddie.

Canuck, fs, why are u suddebly eager to vote for me bow? Can i do something to convince you otherwise? Is it because you dont have a civvie role in mind for me? I ve been subtly hinting at my role lately and no one seemed to pick it up

#2386

Canucklehead wrote:I have MP in a certain role in ink. My only hesitation is the baddie-mimic possibility, but if lots of other people ALSO have him inked in, then I think that reduces the likelihood of baddie faking, since some sort of conflict would've come up by now, and it would just be too risky...

What role do u have in mind for mp and why? I havent picked up anything on him

#2387

fingersplints wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:So, at this point right now (and I say that in full recognition that I'm feeling waffly as shit right now and have no solid ideas of who is bad), I am most inclined to vote:
1) Sophie
2) Rabbit
3)bea
4) MP
5) Lena
6) fs
7) bf
8) Canuck
I'll do this too. mine goes:

1. sophie
2. rabbit
3. Lena
4. BF
5. Canuck
6. Bea
7. MP
8. fs

Fs, why me first? You said several times that i seemed civvie this game, you said i dont behave like this when im mafia, you linked disney mafia here noting how different i have been, those were your instincts all game and those were correct. Im not bad, lynching me will not give you a baddie i guarantee you that 100 percent,stick to what you always thought.

#2388

My list.

1. Bea
2. Rabbit
3. Sophie
4. Fs
5. Lena
6. MP
7. BF

#2389

blindfaeth wrote:My list.

1. Bea
2. Rabbit
3. Sophie
4. Fs
5. Lena
6. MP
7. BF

LOL forgot canuck again. Lets put her between lena and MP.

#2390

I know this game its hard and gets you paranoid, me myself have no idea what to think after llama fiasco.
I ve been trusting several people this game but everything went down the toilet after llama was lynched, so i understand feeling paranoid. I do too, i dont know if any of you guyd have been playing me, i really dont know.

My intincts tell me bea for the blendiness and quietness, or mp cause i trust the rest more, but im not certain.

But please stick to what logic tells you in this one cause i assure you im good. Im civvie. Please dont do it, we are getting closer now looking other way.

#2391

Well, everyone seems sure about mp, so you obviously have him pegged as a role that im not seeing. Ill take that in count.

As much as i love bea, it is got to be her this time. I dont see anyone else being bad, tbh. It is got to be her.

#2392

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:So, at this point right now (and I say that in full recognition that I'm feeling waffly as shit right now and have no solid ideas of who is bad), I am most inclined to vote:
1) Sophie
2) Rabbit
3)bea
4) MP
5) Lena
6) fs
7) bf
8) Canuck
I'll do this too. mine goes:

1. sophie
2. rabbit
3. Lena
4. BF
5. Canuck
6. Bea
7. MP
8. fs

Fs, why me first? You said several times that i seemed civvie this game, you said i dont behave like this when im mafia, you linked disney mafia here noting how different i have been, those were your instincts all game and those were correct. Im not bad, lynching me will not give you a baddie i guarantee you that 100 percent,stick to what you always thought.

I have also said I think everyone else left is a civvie, so I have to be wrong about someone. Canuck was instrumental in bass, LC, and nijuu. I don't think I am wrong there. Bf I have a certain role in mind for since day 2, and he has been acting a civvie all game. I don't think I am wrong there. I think this is Beas civvie game. MP I also have a specific role in mind for. Rabbit I have a role in mind for that I previously had someone else pegged in.
you I do not have a role for, and your actions this game have been most suspicious out of everyone who is left. you agreed quickly with some of the suspicions lately but have made it clear you would hve rather voted llama but were following the group.

#2393

Sophie wrote:I know this game its hard and gets you paranoid, me myself have no idea what to think after llama fiasco.
I ve been trusting several people this game but everything went down the toilet after llama was lynched, so i understand feeling paranoid. I do too, i dont know if any of you guyd have been playing me, i really dont know.

My intincts tell me bea for the blendiness and quietness, or mp cause i trust the rest more, but im not certain.

But please stick to what logic tells you in this one cause i assure you im good. Im civvie. Please dont do it, we are getting closer now looking other way.

Logic tells me you are bad.

#2394

Im not gonna vote the people i trusted most game: fingersplints, canuck, blindfaeth.
Im not gonna vote mp cause you guys think he is civvie, ill follow
Im not gonna vote rabbit cause he is civvie
Im not gonna vote golden causr he was roger rabbit when alive, ill assume he is the same now

Ill vote bea

#2395

fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:I know this game its hard and gets you paranoid, me myself have no idea what to think after llama fiasco.
I ve been trusting several people this game but everything went down the toilet after llama was lynched, so i understand feeling paranoid. I do too, i dont know if any of you guyd have been playing me, i really dont know.

My intincts tell me bea for the blendiness and quietness, or mp cause i trust the rest more, but im not certain.

But please stick to what logic tells you in this one cause i assure you im good. Im civvie. Please dont do it, we are getting closer now looking other way.
Logic tells me you are bad.

Why? Im not

Would i behave like this as a baddie?
I swear you have assigned your roles wrong, cause im one and i cant believe no one is linking me with that role yet.

#2396

Fs, about your justifixations, i wont argue about bf or canuck: i think the same as you, they are civvie, imo, all logic indicates that.

But all you say about bea is you "think she is civvie", isnt it possible you are wrong about bea?
also, mp is supposedly a role, isnt it possible you have the wrong role for him?

Think that for a sec

#2397

I've thought about it plenty, and their is a reason I put them over others I have trusted. clearly, no I don't think its possible Sophie, and I think you are grasping at anything now. you trust MP because we do yet continue to try and spread the doubt on him.

#2398

also, I think I was so worried about llama agreeing with me and possibly "buddying up" to me and Elo that I haven't noticed that is what you have been doing the whole game with those you know well

#2399

You are wrong about me, fs.
I havent been budying up, i geniunely think you guys are civvie and have followed your lead cause i trust tou.

Cant i do anything to convince you im not bad? :Shrug:

#2400

Im NOT bad, guys

The game will not be over if im lynched

Please reconsider this, cause we are one step closer to win if we arent looking at my side.

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