Who Framed Roger Rabbit? [Day 10]

#2451

It was already called into question whether Dom was even the original target. I believe it was rabbit who said that.

#2452

Sophie, can you say anything more about why you are sure that rabbit is good? Is it directly related to why you are sure ninja is bad?

Linki w/fs: yeah, I remember that rabbit comment, too

#2453

fingersplints wrote:I think its a little unfair to call it tunnel vision at this point too. There aren't many people left and I have considered everyone. Thats hardly tunnel vision.

You are not considering everyone! ! You said bea just "feel civs to you", thats hardly considering her since she has behaved like a baddie lying low all freaking game, you know it, she knows it, she said it herself many times. Cant it be possible that your instincts are way off about bea and she is in fact what it seems she is???

You also said you had a role in mind for mp, and cant even concieve the idea that you are wrong about that?

And, since you apparently decided im the baddie, you are lefting logic out of every thought to fit me into the baddie position even if i do not fit. even when YOU SAID MANY TIMES THROUGH THE GAME that i do not fit. I do not act like this as a baddie. Many things i ve done do not make sense if im baddie. If it walks like a duck....

so, yeah, of course its tunnel vision

you say you are opposed to a bea lynch just because? if thats not tunnel vission tell me what it is.

#2454

Canucklehead wrote:Sophie, can you say anything more about why you are sure that rabbit is good? Is it directly related to why you are sure ninja is bad?

Yes, canuck, it is DIRECTLY related to why im SURE ninja is bad.

Please, look at the time i started backing up rabbit. It was right after night ended. Please think a second about this you will realize what im saying

#2455

This type of badgering isn't going to work on me Sophie.
Maybe it's you who needs to think about it and consider some.

I've also said I haven't played a game with you since what 2011? early 2012 at the latest. people change Sophie. I play differently now.

#2456

Fs: is is even conceivable to you that bea could be bad? Or are you not even entertaining that possibility?l

Linki: Soph, I agree with fs that MP is much less likely to be bad than bea, rabbit, and you

Linki again: yes, I do know what you are saying. I am not 100% sure I beleive you yet, but I do know what you're getting at

#2457

And actually what I said is you played differently when you were baddie in a game you were busy enough to have to be replaced. And then mentioned your indy game being different and confused.

linki Canuck. IF there is one baddie left it isn't bea. So no I am not entertaining that idea right now. Same as I am sticking by my trust of you, bf, and mp.

#2458

Canucklehead wrote:
Linki again: yes, I do know what you are saying. I am not 100% sure I beleive you yet, but I do know what you're getting at

Thank god, can we please try to convince others to not vote for me today?

And fs said bea and myself were her suspects, and then bea made a post saying she knew she have behaved like a baddie, but she was civvie, and then fs completely flipped on her, staying sure bea was civvie and not even entretaining the possibility that she is bad. She might be biased cause she really likes bea, thats all i can think of, cause now she seems sure, but this wasnt after nightime, or that any information could have come her way, this was right after bea made a post.

canuck, if you know what im getting at you can ask me any question i will answer in a delicate way and will make you 100 percent convinced im civvie. i can kinda prove it, but dont wanna out myself

#2459

fingersplints wrote:I will not be voting Bea. I think she is a civvie

oh wait, no, you actually were saying the possibles were me and rabbit, not me and bea. i got confused about that. i see you ve been saying bea is civvie since before, so it IS possible you have any kind of info

can you tell us more about bea? if you are sure she is good, im not opposed to look other way. its got to be mp.

#2460

fingersplints wrote:And actually what I said is you played differently when you were baddie in a game you were busy enough to have to be replaced. And then mentioned your indy game being different and confused.

linki Canuck. IF there is one baddie left it isn't bea. So no I am not entertaining that idea right now. Same as I am sticking by my trust of you, bf, and mp.

fingersplints, im not bad, i dont know how else to say this.

if you have any info of bea, of course you wont out it, but if you are COMPLETELY SURE bea is civvie, just like im sure rabbit is civ and niju was bad, where would you look at if i didnt exist? do u think there is a possibility mp is bad?

i think we are looking at this all wrong and someone is seriously fooling us. if bea isnt bad then someone is seriously blinding us all.

#2461

fingersplints wrote:Mine is rabbit, and bea. I don't have a third.
the ones I have felt most paranoid of my trust in are llama and Sophie. I guess if I had to pick a third, those two would be where I looked.

here you were suspicion of bea. but then night time happened and you werent suspicion of bea anymore and started being suspicion on me and rabbit.

so i think fingersplints could have had some info that night, cause she did a complete turnaround on bea.

now i feel more paranoid than ever, and i know this bea supposed civvie help doesnt help my case today, cause theres not a candidate to lynch instead of me.

BUT, if bea isnt bad, im not im not bad, rabbit is not bad. i know we are missing something.

i wish we had another candidate to lynch instead of me but we dont.

i wish i wouldnt get lynched but i alredy have a vote from fs and wont be hard that another person will vote for me, including the baddie.

in any case, i really dont know what to do. this sucks

maybe we should start looking at other suspects.

can anyone explain me why mp is cleared?

#2462

if all of those are civvies maybe bf
I'm starting to question if the role I thought he was is not dead

#2463

damn, i wish someone will working with me here so we can figure this out
i have to go to the uni i about an hour, so i wont be here when lynch occurs

i would say to every civvie: PLEASE DO NOT LYNCH ME, if someone were here know, i could answer all questions and help proving im civvie, but no one is here.

all i can say is dont lynch rabbit tomorrow. if you lynch me today, fine

, i will feel like crap, but fine, but please please please civvies, someone is really fooling you and whoever is the baddie has been playing all of us like puppets for a long time.

you will see

in any case, dont lynch me

#2464

fingersplints wrote:if all of those are civvies maybe bf
I'm starting to question if the role I thought he was is not dead

if bf is a baddie he is the best i ever seen. he has behaved like an ultra civvie all game.

could we be more blunt about roles? maybe you are wrong about some of your assumptions?

in any case, i dont have him pegged as any role and i will be shcoked if he is bad

why do u think MP is civvie, fs?

can anyone help me with the mp thing before i leave?

#2465

i mean why MP is cleared

can anyone help me understand that?

#2466

Wow, lots of posts.

By any means, I don't think anyone should be "cleared", including myself.

I'm multitasking, so I'll pop back in here again in an hour or so.

PonySparkPrime · #2467

fingersplints wrote:I'm not going allow myself to be convinced otherwise either. I knew llama was a civvie and I allowed myself to be paranoid and question my trust in him. turns out he was Exactly who I thought

Sophie's insisted he was bad. I think her outbursts were strange (like canuck said no one is really getting credit for any lynches. It's a team game) and now I wonder if that was all staged since it seems unlikely

Linki - I do have roles pencilled in and she doesn't have one. Rabbit I have one in mind for but may be wrong

Splints, in many ways this is how I feel too... like sophie is playing hard to the death, and she would. She is definitely the kind of person who would.

She has relied so much on saying 'everyone, you know me, this is not my baddie game'... she has been saying it all game.

She is relying on us buying in to her meta.

I've caught sophie as baddie once before, viral vids. We had btsc one night, and I caught her from the btsc, and in there - this is exactly the kind of sophie I saw.

PonySparkPrime · #2468

Also, the reason I clear MP - which I've said before, is that after I was lynched on day 2, Zombie jumped straight into 'MP must be bad because of this'. I truly believe part of the strategy of that lynch was that Zombs would also take out a person close to her who might be on to her more easily as well - ie MP. Zombs attitude to MP after that lynch makes me feel as confident about MP as any other civ.

PonySparkPrime · #2469

Sophie wrote:Fs, about your justifixations

This is the best new word I've ever seen! It is so perfect for mafia.

PonySparkPrime · #2470

fingersplints wrote:I'm really opposed to a Bea lynch today.

I'm willing to take fs at face value, honestly. Splints, I really trust you.

Plus... as you know... I've been trying to say sophie is bad all game lol, so it doesn't hurt that you agree with me.

I disagree completely that we should be buying in to her argument that this isn't her baddie meta. I don't think sophie has a baddie meta. I think she has a civilian meta. And this isn't it.

#2471

Lena Hyena wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I'm not going allow myself to be convinced otherwise either. I knew llama was a civvie and I allowed myself to be paranoid and question my trust in him. turns out he was Exactly who I thought

Sophie's insisted he was bad. I think her outbursts were strange (like canuck said no one is really getting credit for any lynches. It's a team game) and now I wonder if that was all staged since it seems unlikely

Linki - I do have roles pencilled in and she doesn't have one. Rabbit I have one in mind for but may be wrong
Splints, in many ways this is how I feel too... like sophie is playing hard to the death, and she would. She is definitely the kind of person who would.

She has relied so much on saying 'everyone, you know me, this is not my baddie game'... she has been saying it all game.

She is relying on us buying in to her meta.

I've caught sophie as baddie once before, viral vids. We had btsc one night, and I caught her from the btsc, and in there - this is exactly the kind of sophie I saw.

Again golden? you might have caught me as baddie once (i doubt i was "this kind of sophie" i will never behave like this as a baddie) but you also were wrong about me being baddie many many times in other games when you ended up saying "sorry sophie, i thought you were baddie", thats why i have pegged you as someone who absolutely cant read me and who often mistakes me as baddie when im not.

I understand why fingersplints, in any case, thinks im baddie, if because she has info on bea and its running out of options, heck, maybe ill feel i was the baddie too if i was her and i trusted the rest of the people.

but you thought i was baddie in this game since the beggining, and you have been way off, even when people who knew me backed me up, you were wrong, you absolutely cant read me and you will see soon enough if you guys lynch me.

i think canuck believes me and knows who i am, the sad part is i cant offer an alternative. If fs says bea is good, then i dont have a clue who is bad. Many people seem to think mp is good, i dont know the reason but it is, so i really dont know.

i dont even know who to vote. Im lost

i wish i could tell the people who believe me to vote with me on someone but i dont know who the baddie is instead of me. i just dont. so ill probably gonna die.

when i do, remember this: rabbit is civvie

thats it

PonySparkPrime · #2472

Sophie, there have not been 'many, many times' I've had to say 'sorry soph, I thought you were bad'...

And don't you see it's exactly that kind of statement that is why I think you are?

I'm listening to people I know I can trust, I'm looking at people we know are bad, I'm looking at your voting patterns, I'm looking at other peoples voting patterns, and at the end one simple fact remains...

You and rabbit are the only two people who I don't feel anyone has cleared.

Unfortunately, you know what I think? I think you are bad, and trying to take rabbit out the door with you behind you.

#2473

damn, it sucks im dying, i dont wanna so close to the end

guys, the ones who are willing to listen to me, not golden who has been saying im bad from day 1 and doesnt really care about listening to me: you are being played

someone is playing you big time and i have no idea who it is.

im not saying this for you not to vote for me, i know im dying, mostly cause i cant offer an alternative to me being lynched. theres no alternative. i understand if i get lynched.

if i were a baddie ill probably have been building a case against the alternative for hous now, instead of defending myself. but i honestly cant offer one. i thought it was bea cause of her behaviour, but after what fs hinted at, maybe thats not the case. so im lost.

but this game is bollocks! the last baddie is a mastermind baddie so my hat off to him/her and

i hate dying but i loved playing with you guys, and hope that when my role is revealed you reread my posts with other eyes and this can help you nail other baddie. it might help. it might help you believe me about rabbit too. the good thing is that my deat might help. me being alive would have helped more but thats not gonna happen now.

PonySparkPrime · #2474

Unfortunately my vote is worth zero.

I think it is worth making sure all the peeps out there know that.

But listening to FS today makes me convinced I was right in my case on sophie. Actually, everything fits with sophie being bad. She is playing one hell of a game going down swinging, and sophie I admire you so much for that (mafia or civilian). But it doesn't change my vote.

PonySparkPrime · #2475

fingersplints wrote:It was already called into question whether Dom was even the original target. I believe it was rabbit who said that.

I believe rabbit thought he was the intended target.

PonySparkPrime · #2476

Is it possible it could be bea AND fs??

#2477

If i stayed alive, i would have been nkilled by the baddie next time anyway, so its not like i was ever gonna win this.

BUT, i was hoping for us to nail the baddie today so civvies won.

I know the baddie already probably picked up what role i am, and understandibly wants me dead, so, if we somehow didnt lynch the baddie today, i was SO gonna get night killed next night. the baddies DO NOT WANT ME ALIVE AT night 10.

Anyways, i had no chance to win anyways. the only chance was us discovering the baddie today, but i dont see it happening, frankly, after what fs suggested about bea.

so its the same. my death might help.

PonySparkPrime · #2478

FS really does seem good to me though, for many reasons. Not least that she was campaiging to bring elo back.

#2479

i hope someone picks up on what i just said and understands what is about to happen

#2480

In any case i want civvies to win this cause i LOVE misteries and this one is a HUGE one.

whos the baddie thats fooling everyone?

its like an agatha christie novel

guys, i know when my role is revealed it will help the civvies win and understand many things.

but im really dying to stay here to try to descifrate who the baddie is cause i love this kind of puzzles!

PonySparkPrime · #2481

I picked up on what you were saying yesterday. But I have no info in this game and others do, so I have to listen to them.

I dunno, I'm so torn. But I also don't like being constantly pushed off my gut feel.

#2482

I am at friends house. Caught up but don't want to miss the vote. I still think it's bea so I'm voting there.

#2483

Lena Hyena wrote:I picked up on what you were saying yesterday. But I have no info in this game and others do, so I have to listen to them.

I dunno, I'm so torn. But I also don't like being constantly pushed off my gut feel.

You could listen to me instead of them. I have info to

And your gut is wrong. Im civvie.

#2484

Ill vote bea in case i have 1 shot in 1000 to survive, but i know i dont.

I know what i know, i know im civvie, i know rabbit is civvie. i dont know about bea, i dont know why fs thinks that, the role i have her pegged at doesnt recieve information anyway, so maybe she i just biased or blind. i know im not bad and it will be best for civvies to keep me alive, but i know thats unlikely to happen.

i have to go now. i hope you guys read me with a new set of eyes when im lynched

bye

PonySparkPrime · #2485

OK, I just have to go with my gut here:

If Sophie is good, then she is being truthful that Niju is bad. That means there is only one baddie left.

Fs is vouching for bea hard out. A bold play if they were baddie teammates, but this late in the game it might be worth it. But in this scenario they can't both be bad. And I don't see why fs would be vouching for bea if bea is bad and fs is not.

On the other hand, if Sophie is bad, she could still be a lone wolf.

I agree with the assessment that there are elements of everyone that seem civ. So I need to go back to the things I see as evidence. Voting patterns. The posts made by baddies. Who has caught baddies. Etc.

These things, for me, all collectively say to me that sophie is the most likely candidate to be bad.

And sophie, if you are who I think you are claiming to be, then I hope your death does bring us information.

My vote is worth zero, but at least it indicates who I think is the right person to lynch today. Maybe I won't feel this way if you are still around tomorrow soph. I dunno. But after not following my gut yesterday, I need to today.

#2486

Why would niju be good?
Didnt a civvie killed niju?

#2487

im not going to the uni today cause i bern having some on and off sort of flu for the last 2 weeks and i think now im developing a sinusitis cause my head has been exploding with pain for the last 2 days

Anyways, im resting at my boyfriends house now but ill be here on and off to try to convince you people to not vote for me

#2488

Being killed by a civvie doesn't make her bad, it just means some civvie thought she was bad.

#2489

fingersplints wrote:Being killed by a civvie doesn't make her bad, it just means some civvie thought she was bad.

I would think if that a civvie has a power to kill, he might have the power to know if those he wants to kill are bad or good.
Otherwise is not a very civvie friendly ability, imo

#2490

generally that's how it works

PonySparkPrime · #2491

An interesting idea that the civvie killer would know their target was bad.

But it's not the way I've seen it work in the past. Doesn't mean it couldn't work like that. It's a big assumption to make.

#2492

BH has *secrets*

I dont know, a civvie killer than can kill whoever they want to and not check them before? Weird

#2493

I think that would be an overpowered role. a role check and kill?

#2494

Why is no one listening to what Soph is saying? She's basically claimed a role, a role that she couldn't fake. (Only BR has died without a role reveal since that role used it's power, and I am 99% BR wasn't that role.)
Therefore, I trust Soph about Rabbit.
I also think fs has no reason to try and save bea if fs is the last baddie, and they can't both be baddie since I know Ninja was bad.
So.

OK. So bf is the remaining baddie, yes?
What a fucking great game she's played.
I wish you all hadn't voted so early.

#2495

Yeah, it would

#2496

Or, MP could also be bad.....but I'm more inclined at this point to think it was bf.

#2497

Sophie, I'm sorry I wasn't around to take part in this discussion earlier. I would have asked you to vote bf with me instead of bea.

#2498

Canucklehead wrote:Why is no one listening to what Soph is saying? She's basically claimed a role, a role that she couldn't fake. (Only BR has died without a role reveal since that role used it's power, and I am 99% BR wasn't that role.)
Therefore, I trust Soph about Rabbit.
I also think fs has no reason to try and save bea if fs is the last baddie, and they can't both be baddie since I know Ninja was bad.
So.

OK. So bf is the remaining baddie, yes?
What a fucking great game she's played.
I wish you all hadn't voted so early.

Ikr? Are we sure bea is civvie. There might be a way to save me if we all vote that way?

You think bf is the remaining baddie? He played a hell of a game if so

#2499

Rabbit and mp have o vote still too maybe we can get them to vote bf

#2500

Canucklehead wrote:Sophie, I'm sorry I wasn't around to take part in this discussion earlier. I would have asked you to vote bf with me instead of bea.

I know canuck i wish you were. I thought i was going ti the uni until i left home qnd the 90 degrees alongside my headache made it impossible. Now i wish i waited but i thought that was my last chance to vote

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