Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

#2101

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:And I'm the one who tied it up.
Why are you proud of this? You placed your vote on Vomps from what I see in the poll thread.

Just now seeing that, are you.

#2102

S~V~S wrote:Well I know I was not saving her, and I don't think some of the others were either.

Someone had to have been, don't you agree? Someone if not more than one was saving her on that list.

#2103

Bullzeye wrote:Well. Save attempt, anyone?

Definitely. I worked very hard to save her.

#2104

Elohcin wrote:Anyone know who began the Vomps case without having to go back and look?

Me.

#2105

I agree there have to be some baddies, at least one if not more, on that list. I'm not one of them though and I agree there are some others who are not.

#2106

You know, it would be pretty funny if there weren't any.

#2107

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:And I'm the one who tied it up.
Why are you proud of this? You placed your vote on Vomps from what I see in the poll thread.
Just now seeing that, are you.

I was taking care of your dinner

I am confused. Golden is outright saying he was trying to save Zomp, Epi is implying he tried to save her. What can this mean?

#2108

No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.

#2109

Elohcin wrote:I was taking care of your dinner

So that's why half of my plate was missing and you got full so early!

#2110

Golden wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Anyone know who began the Vomps case without having to go back and look?
Me.

Hey! I helped, too!

#2111

OK, so what really surprises me is this... Zombs was not Reed Bardeen.

I always thought, from the moment Zombs said 'you ruined my role', that she was intentionally role hinting. I think she looked at Reed and said 'no-one can think bf would ruin that role, but he might ruin others... like oliver oliver'.

I believed fully that the newspaper article came from the baddies. I was stupid to change my mind. but the reason I did is because I saw zombs make another thing I thought was a role hint at Oliver Oliver... and I thought, if she is that role, then being her biggest fan ought to let me find out for sure tomorrow.

It was a calculated risk, and it backfired. Sorry to anyone who is good and voted zombs because of it.

#2112

@elo - may as well own up to the truth. I spent the last few hours trying very hard to win hearts and minds to voting vomps to save zombs.

Frankly, I'm ok with being lynched tomorrow because of it, if thats how it goes down.

#2113

So does this mean my theory was actually right?

#2114

S~V~S wrote:So does this mean my theory was actually right?

Yeah, lol. I think it does.

#2115

Epignosis wrote:No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.

You still sounded proud. Do you still think Vompatti could be bad after the lynch result? Do you think some of the vomp voters were trying to save vomp? Can you recall who began the vomp suspicion?

linki: Golden, does that make you bad or does that make you a civ who was wrong about Zomps affiliation?

#2116

Golden wrote:@elo - may as well own up to the truth. I spent the last few hours trying very hard to win hearts and minds to voting vomps to save zombs.

Frankly, I'm ok with being lynched tomorrow because of it, if thats how it goes down.

Fwiw, I changed my mind about Zombs because of SVS, not you

#2117

@elo - it makes me someone who is claiming more responsibility for the zombs save train than it may appear at face value.

#2118

Excellent result. I'm never letting anyone change my mind about Zomba again. Two games in a row

I get why us Vomps voters looks suspicious. but I know I am not bad, and I doubt all the others are either.

#2119

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.
You still sounded proud. Do you still think Vompatti could be bad after the lynch result? Do you think some of the vomp voters were trying to save vomp? Can you recall who began the vomp suspicion?

linki: Golden, does that make you bad or does that make you a civ who was wrong about Zomps affiliation?

Do I really have to break out the orange crayon?

#2120

Canucklehead wrote:
Golden wrote:@elo - may as well own up to the truth. I spent the last few hours trying very hard to win hearts and minds to voting vomps to save zombs.

Frankly, I'm ok with being lynched tomorrow because of it, if thats how it goes down.
Fwiw, I changed my mind about Zombs because of SVS, not you

Actually, I changed my mind becasue of him

When I was in there this AM, it was me him & Liz, and he was talking about how they both sounded civ. So I reread her, and thought she sounded BTS free. My first post this AM was an attack a little bit, then I started reading Golden & Liz & decided to reread her.

That was a mistake. I am kinda excited that my original theory was actually true, and I plan to listen to my own gut, and not Goldens, from now on.

#2121

Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?

#2122

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:No...I was tying it up. I would have voted the other way around had it been 7-6 Vompatti.
You still sounded proud. Do you still think Vompatti could be bad after the lynch result? Do you think some of the vomp voters were trying to save vomp? Can you recall who began the vomp suspicion?

linki: Golden, does that make you bad or does that make you a civ who was wrong about Zomps affiliation?

Do I really have to break out the orange crayon?

I guess so. I went into this game with no trust for anyone.

Eyes everywhere

No one is going to fool me this time!

linki: SVS, he could still be bad, you are right. Where do you think the baddies placed their votes then?

#2123

S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?

14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.

#2124

S~V~S wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Golden wrote:@elo - may as well own up to the truth. I spent the last few hours trying very hard to win hearts and minds to voting vomps to save zombs.

Frankly, I'm ok with being lynched tomorrow because of it, if thats how it goes down.
Fwiw, I changed my mind about Zombs because of SVS, not you
Actually, I changed my mind becasue of him :pout.

I literally do not think I have said anything to/about SVS this game that she hasn't immediately contradicted....even innocuous non-accusatory stuff like this

Do I smell bad, SVS? Why won't you let me be your friend?

#2125

I am not sure why Zomba stayed away, tbh. Maybe she has RL and was ok with being bussed? I don't know where they voted, I am not one of them. A few people seemed a tad surprised when the vote started going to Vomps. It felt a bit panicky to me, especially on Bass' part.

Linki, is that so? I had not noticed, sorry if it is. And honestly, I did change my mind becasue of how sure Golden sounded. It led me to reread instead of just going back into attack mode, which was my original inclination after reading all the awful stuff she said about me after I went to bed.

#2126

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?
14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.

Well I think that makes more sense then assuming all of Zomba's teammates voted to save her after she threw her vote away early on APerson. I doubt her teammates bothered to save her at all.

#2127

This was my first post of the AM:

S~V~S wrote:
Zombarella wrote:I am going to vote for A Person right now. I don't want to lynch another active civ player, I'm going to go for someone who the baddies won't NK - either because he/she is one of them or because he/she is not playing and isn't a threat to them.

*votes A Person*
Low posters?

Do you have any actual suspicions? When you came in last night you tried pushing a suspicion of me, and it didn't take; do you suspect anyone?

I trust Golden's judgment; had I listened to him earlier, I would have backed off of BF. I am going to reread this AM and consider whether to listen to him now.

This was my next.

S~V~S wrote:
LizKeen wrote:[quote="Zombarella"]BTW - You are the only other person I've met who watches the Black List. It really is a great show. I covet Liz's hair.

Golden wrote:I watch the blacklist
I covet Tom Keen. I used to think he was nerdy but now that he's a bad boy he's kinda hot. I don't know anyone who watches it but you two.

SVS, you must be getting up as I go to bed.

I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If I don't vote Zombarella and she gets lynched and flips bad then I'm going to be accused of being her teammate. If I vote her and she flips civvie then I'm helping lynch another civvie. This really sucks.

I don't think I'm voting for her.

I just read her posts from last night again mainly for tone, and I don't think she has BTSC. One thing I know about Zomba from BTS with her her first 2 games is that she takes advice well. If you tell her she said something she should not have, she works her way back around it. Some people don't; you tell them in BTS that they are making a mistake, and they kinda blow you off. Not Zomba. And no where in her posts did I see that kind of influence. The only point where she backed off was influence from the thread.

She said a lot of things I think more experienced players would have told her not to say. The No U start, and the low poster finish are things a bad team would have told her was a mistake. I think this is her first non-BTS game.

I think parts of my theory are right, but the part where it points to Zomba being bad probably are not. I have to read back some more. I want to reread LC, and Bass.[/quote]

So when I contradicted you, it was from truth

#2128

[quote="Golden"]Oh, good point JC. I just went for two people who I would have expected to vote lol.

@Canuck - lol, I need to read back on that, but I think its what zombs said happned to her and LK last night.[/quote ]

I was not enthralled, I've stated already I simply missed the vote because I was out with my kids and didn't have my phone. And I don't know why you put it that Zomb was explaining both our non votes for that. She said she was arrested. And she had no way of explaining my missed vote for me. I'm glad I said I couldn't clear you last night because I'm wondering if you and she weren't thinking you could try and get me on board for pushing the lynch in a new direction. Seems odd you didn't catch that bit in the night post about Michigan Ave. as you seem so astute.

Bad Zombarella! You had me feeling bad for trying to save myself. Never again.

#2129

fingersplints wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?
14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.
Well I think that makes more sense then assuming all of Zomba's teammates voted to save her after she threw her vote away early on APerson. I doubt her teammates bothered to save her at all.

So you think they just said, "to hell with Zomba"?

#2130

Maybe. She was barely here for days before that, maybe she sacrificed herself rather than get replaced to give teammates cred.

#2131

Also, the will was just read. She died penniless. I need to get a better class of people naming me in their wills.

#2132

Now, I have to go do a lot to get ready for my vaycay, or my wife will kill me.

#2133

#2134

Who voted zombs first? Whoever it was, I'm interested to hear if they got an item. Since SVS apparently didn't either. LK's theory of baddies being able to transfer items between them could be put to the test.

#2135

Elohcin wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?
14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.
Well I think that makes more sense then assuming all of Zomba's teammates voted to save her after she threw her vote away early on APerson. I doubt her teammates bothered to save her at all.
So you think they just said, "to hell with Zomba"?

Mafia rarely all vote to save one of their own this early in the game. There was the will thing early, and now the newspaper. So it is conceivable that the mafia decided to sacrifice her. I don't think it was personal, but yea, I do not think they tried hard to save her.

#2136

Golden wrote:Now, I have to go do a lot to get ready for my vaycay, or my wife will kill me.

haha, I just recently made Epi start packing for himself. Once we had three kids, it became too much to do his too.

#2137

Golden wrote:Who voted zombs first? Whoever it was, I'm interested to hear if they got an item. Since SVS apparently didn't either. LK's theory of baddies being able to transfer items between them could be put to the test.

Dom

#2138

LizKeen - thats the second time you've given some derivation of me being astute...

We have never played each other before. I'll I've done in this game is lynched civs, and nearly saved baddies, and clearly, as you say, missed things like Michigan Street in posts.

So where have you gotten the idea from, so early in our collective mafia dealings, that I'm astute?

#2139

S~V~S wrote:I am not sure why Zomba stayed away, tbh. Maybe she has RL and was ok with being bussed? I don't know where they voted, I am not one of them. A few people seemed a tad surprised when the vote started going to Vomps. It felt a bit panicky to me, especially on Bass' part.

Linki, is that so? I had not noticed, sorry if it is. And honestly, I did change my mind becasue of how sure Golden sounded. It led me to reread instead of just going back into attack mode, which was my original inclination after reading all the awful stuff she said about me after I went to bed.

How did I come off panicky. I really thought it was odd that vomps was taking that meaning votes and wasn't really talked about at all during this last day phase.

Also on a side note you always got to stick with your gut I think I remember someone telling me that one time. wink wink.

#2140

@bass - in this case, I think I should have stuck with my head (the thing telling me that the newspaper post was obviously a baddie attempt to salvage zombs game) and ignored my gut (telling me zombs sounded good).

#2141

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am not sure why Zomba stayed away, tbh. Maybe she has RL and was ok with being bussed? I don't know where they voted, I am not one of them. A few people seemed a tad surprised when the vote started going to Vomps. It felt a bit panicky to me, especially on Bass' part.

Linki, is that so? I had not noticed, sorry if it is. And honestly, I did change my mind becasue of how sure Golden sounded. It led me to reread instead of just going back into attack mode, which was my original inclination after reading all the awful stuff she said about me after I went to bed.
How did I come off panicky. I really thought it was odd that vomps was taking that meaning votes and wasn't really talked about at all during this last day phase.

Also on a side note you always got to stick with your gut I think I remember someone telling me that one time. wink wink.

I know, right? I was so sure, then I let myself be influenced. But I was so sure about BF too, and look where that led

#2142

S~V~S wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am not sure why Zomba stayed away, tbh. Maybe she has RL and was ok with being bussed? I don't know where they voted, I am not one of them. A few people seemed a tad surprised when the vote started going to Vomps. It felt a bit panicky to me, especially on Bass' part.

Linki, is that so? I had not noticed, sorry if it is. And honestly, I did change my mind becasue of how sure Golden sounded. It led me to reread instead of just going back into attack mode, which was my original inclination after reading all the awful stuff she said about me after I went to bed.
How did I come off panicky. I really thought it was odd that vomps was taking that meaning votes and wasn't really talked about at all during this last day phase.

Also on a side note you always got to stick with your gut I think I remember someone telling me that one time. wink wink.
I know, right? I was so sure, then I let myself be influenced. But I was so sure about BF too, and look where that led

You being so sure even when you are wrong does make me think you are civ. Look what happen in film director mafia.

#2143

I haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1, so I'm doing this right now:

Long Con has to have info on me. Has to. It's the only thing I can think of that would compel him to gun for me and raise such shitty and minute points. He "knows" something about me.

Attacking me when I can't use vowels? Check.
Attacking me on points I can't defend against? Check.
Turning a jovial observation I made into proof that I set up MM? Check.
Pressuring others to talk about me? Check.

Saying this?

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?
We don't have to. We could just start voting Epignosis.

That says, "I have info." No two ways about it.

I already know three ways info in this game can be wrong (I helped lynch one of them Day 1). It is my perspective that Long Con's "info" is incorrect. If you have been a full participant in every sense in this game, you'll understand my meaning. Given that I won something for a sorry, half-assed attempt I made at the last minute, I suspect most of you have not been full participants.

#2144

Nice. Im looking at Golden, svs and epi.

Go!

#2145

Fell free to look at Golden & Epi.

#2146

Feel free to look at me... I have to sub out anyway after tomorrow's lynch, at least lynching me might give the town some info.

#2147

#2148

Golden wrote:Feel free to look at me... I have to sub out anyway after tomorrow's lynch, at least lynching me might give the town some info.

No more quitting allowed.

#2149

thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:Feel free to look at me... I have to sub out anyway after tomorrow's lynch, at least lynching me might give the town some info.
No more quitting allowed.

Seriously. This makes a poor marmot who really wanted to play feel sad.

#2150

S~V~S wrote:Fell free to look at Golden & Epi.

Nah. I think it's cool to group you in there too.

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