Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

#2251

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:I didn't think [Metalmarsh] was telling the truth when he said [he used the Bottle on Epig and caused the Affirmative Curse] but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.
Why didn't you think Metalmarsh was telling the truth? He explained Epig's weird responses and claimed responsibility for it with his Item, the Bottle. I thought it was pretty cut-and-dry.

I thought it was likely one of his jokey posts, especially since i thought I knew that the rare book was the item that caused the "yes" curse, not a bottle.

#2252

Golden wrote:Dom, the one thing I keep coming back to about SVS, it will be interesting to get your thoughts on this...

If she was bad, why come out and be the first one to have the theory that she was supposed to die, she still had the will, lol the baddies failed to kill her and therefore the story in the newspaper must be a fake? After all, that is how most of the heat on zombs started?

Why not just come out and go... yeah, the will was stolen...

Seems like a very odd baddie plot to put a story in the newspaper that appears to clear Zombs, then immediately start going after her in the thread. Not to mention, no-one else has claimed any reason for why there might not have been a NK.

I don't entirely disagree with you. I won't be funning for SVS this next lynch-- unless something drastic happens. It does give me pause about her, though.

#2253

juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?

#2254

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?

I see - you weren't talking about that specific issue you were talking about his wide claim. I can see why he thought his game was affected for Day 2 and Day 3 though i agree the "yes" curse didn't affect everything about how he communicates. The nights if he was free from curse (I haven't checked) would have also been a time to communicate freely. If I had been affected two days in a row at the beginning of the game though, I would have had some strong feelings about that situation. None of this is to say Epi is good or evil or neutral. I haven't made up my mind about that. I just ask a lot of questions to process information.

#2255

juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?
I see - you weren't talking about that specific issue you were talking about his wide claim. I can see why he thought his game was affected for Day 2 and Day 3 though i agree the "yes" curse didn't affect everything about how he communicates. The nights if he was free from curse (I haven't checked) would have also been a time to communicate freely. If I had been affected two days in a row at the beginning of the game though, I would have had some strong feelings about that situation. None of this is to say Epi is good or evil or neutral. I haven't made up my mind about that. I just ask a lot of questions to process information.

Ok, so you don't think there's anything dishonest about saying he's been UNABLE to speak normally since Day 1. Thank you for giving me your point of view.

#2256

Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

#2257

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

#2258

I voted Van Buren.

#2259

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.
I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

#2260

Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.
I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?
No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Why do you want them to have it?

#2261

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.
I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?
No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.
Why do you want them to have it?

Because it will help them find the baddies and secure a Civvie win. And a btsc team of five can work with it. Or, they can just ignore me and let the baddies kill me and take it.

#2262

Ignoring you sounds like a good idea

#2263

I'm just teasing. I can't wait to see how this all shakes out.

#2264

Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.
I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?
No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.
Why do you want them to have it?

why wouldn't he want them to have it? A neutral team of 5 is a great ally to the civvies. I'm not surprised LC wants to show them he is their friend.

#2265

I'm just here to vote in the night poll. My boys shared their germs and I have been in bed all day. I'm all gross and shit.

#2266

fingersplints wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.
I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?
No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.
Why do you want them to have it?
why wouldn't he want them to have it? A neutral team of 5 is a great ally to the civvies. I'm not surprised LC wants to show them he is their friend.

I understand now, thank you.

#2267

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?
I see - you weren't talking about that specific issue you were talking about his wide claim. I can see why he thought his game was affected for Day 2 and Day 3 though i agree the "yes" curse didn't affect everything about how he communicates. The nights if he was free from curse (I haven't checked) would have also been a time to communicate freely. If I had been affected two days in a row at the beginning of the game though, I would have had some strong feelings about that situation. None of this is to say Epi is good or evil or neutral. I haven't made up my mind about that. I just ask a lot of questions to process information.
Ok, so you don't think there's anything dishonest about saying he's been UNABLE to speak normally since Day 1. Thank you for giving me your point of view.

No I never said that. Summing up what I said I think the word UNABLE, if he said that I havent' looked at the quote, was over dramatic. I would have to read the quote to classify it any other way. You are trying to take my words and twist them.

#2268

LC what if the baddies kill you tonight. wouldn't the baddiees get your item.
LLama do night actions happen in the order the PMs come in?

#2269

Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC what if the baddies kill you tonight. wouldn't the baddiees get your item.
LLama do night actions happen in the order the PMs come in?

There is an order of operations for different types of actions. Stealing happens before killing, for example. But generally, yes.

#2270

Voting Rudolph again.

#2271

thellama73 wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC what if the baddies kill you tonight. wouldn't the baddiees get your item.
LLama do night actions happen in the order the PMs come in?
There is an order of operations for different types of actions. Stealing happens before killing, for example. But generally, yes.

Thank you.

#2272

rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

#2273

I forgot to post, I voted Dearborn again sometime last night.

#2274

Elohcin wrote:I understand now, thank you.

No problem. Glad I could help.

#2275

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

#2276

rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Also you have voted in all the polls except the two lynched civvies. I feel like maybe your team made sure you voted for Vomps..............................

#2277

Night has ended, happy mafia dawn everyone

#2278

Day 4

#2279

RIP Golden.

#2280

Rest in peace Golden

#2281

RIP Golden, we are really going to miss you

#2282

rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

#2283

So APerson and Bass_the_Clever switched roles. Interesting.

#2284

RIP Golden.

#2285

golden

#2286

Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

#2287

Epignosis wrote:Enrique. Turnip Head

Daddy's back.

#2288

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

#2289

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.
So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

#2290

Well this might be the first game I trust MM since monopoly. lol

#2291

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.
So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!
Who used to be a sockface.

I hate being one-upped. Unless I'm Mario.

#2292

And I'm not. Because I'm fucking KIRBY LAZY SACK OF SHIT.

#2293

#2294

Where to, Kid?

Poll ended at Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:27:02 pm

Archer Ave.
5
Bass_the_Clever (5), Long Con (14), rabbit8 (16), DisgruntledPorcupine (17), Black Rock (20)
24%

Clark St.
1
fingersplints (3)
5%

Dearborn St.
1
S~V~S (7)
5%

Randolph St.
2
LizKeen (10), Canucklehead (21)
10%

State St.
1
Vompatti (9)
5%

Van Buren St.
6
birdwithteeth11 (6), Bullzeye (11), juliets (12), DFaraday (13), Elohcin (18), Epignosis (19)
29%

Wabash Ave.
1
Turnip Head (8)
5%

22nd St.
2
Golden (2), Dom (15)
10%

Milwaukee - Berlin of the West (Host/Mod/Dead/NP)
2
thellama73 (1), Metalmarsh89 (4)
10%

Total votes : 21

#2295

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.
Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

Oh I'm sorry. Who posted this then:

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I thought Epi's case on LK was....not convincing, but I'm not sure why a bad Epi would push so hard against a player so early....considering a vote there.
LC is LC and I have no particular reason to think he's bad right now, but I don't know if I've ever read LC correctly. I'm not voting there unless something really compelling comes up.
That's all you have to say about Epig? What about other cases that have been made against him?
Yes, that is all I have to say about Epi right now. None of the cases brought against him have stuck in my mind enough for me to comment on them.
You don't find it suspicious that Epignosis would ignore what he knows about MM and BR and instead go for the easy lynch of Metalmarsh? What he knew should have led him to believe Metalmarsh was being framed, except the thing is, Epig was doing the framing. Not to mention, the italicized portion sounds suspiciously like what LizKeen heard through the ear tubes, AND it sounds like something Epig would say. Cocky and believing people can be easily led.

I want to understand why no one else can see this. Is it that they don't believe that Epig knew that it was VERY unlikely that Metalmarsh would kill BR on Night one for the third or fourth time in recent history? I did quote something in my original case that clearly indicated that Epig was involved - Donner Mafia, Epig tells MM that he killed him for BR. And believe me when I say that I know every detail of this subject due to BR being my wife. I know what happened, what Epig knows, how MM felt about it. This is the truth, I just need enough people to see it and understand what it means.
I didn't say I didn't find it suspicious, I said the case didn't stick in my head. Which is true. Nothing is sticking in me head right now, because my entire brain is utterly saturated with crippling anxiety and fear of failure because I have a career-defining series of examinations beginning in two weeks.

But now that you've very kindly reiterated your points: I mean, I guess what you're seeing as damning isn't quite as evocative to me. I'll take your word for it that the whole MM/BR rivalry is something that Epi is aware of, even acutely so. I guess where I don't quite buy your argument is that knowing that MM would be very unlikely to kill BR does not mean that other people on MM's team might have overruled him. I mean, obviously this WASN'T the case (since MM was good), but prior to that revelation I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for someone to simultaneously believe that MM would not personally vote to kill BR, but could still be a member of a team that would do so.
I guess maybe because I'm not as intimately involved with the details and intricacies of the BR/MM/Epi triangle that his willingness to vote MM just didn't set off alarms bells like it does for you. But I'm not discounting your assertion here, it's just not one I would have come to on my own. I actually also feel uneasy about Epi, so your insights are interesting.

Mostly, though, I want to lynch Vomps.

#2296

S~V~S what to you think about the golden kill?

#2297

Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn. You are that awesome!

You make me want to be a better person. Youmake arrogant look like a positive thing

#2298

S~V~S wrote:Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn. You are that awesome!

You make me want to be a better person. Youmake arrogant look like a positive thing

#2299

You post I quoted above about wanting to Lynch Vomps comes before both these posts below.

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:Vomps' crime is being Vomps, right? Not contributing much, acting weird? Low posting?
Yes. Being Vomps is a serious crime.

I know this is a joke. But you lay it out there nicely. I think you're trying to persuade a few people.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm going to do (another) 180 and vote for Vomps.
I reread Epi's case on LK, and while I still didn't find it convincing, I can't come up with a scenario where it would be beneficial for baddie Epi to go hard against a player that (until he and Golden mentioned her) didn't seem to be on anyone's radar.
I'm not sure that I'm un-suspicious of Epi, but I'd rather not vote for him today since I can't really ask him to clarify some things about his LK case and LC's comments on the MM lynch while he's cursed.
I'll vote Vomps, though I think it's a 50/50 chance he's a civ.

This is not a 180 after you have already declared you want to lynch him and that being him is a serious crime. You throw in the I think there's a 50/50 chance he's a civ. I makes you look wishy washy like you have been trying to portray this game. But your posts before this one prove this one is complete bullshit.

#2300

RIP Golden!

Bye AP and welcome back MM!

Interesting points on Canuck, rabbit. I want to hear what she has to say before commenting further though.

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