Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[Long Con]

It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

You didn't though.

Oops, there, now I have actually voted. Sorry!

[Epignosis]

It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

Don't surround yourself with yourself.

[rabbit8]

It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

I like the strong conviction.

[Dom]

Dom, juliets, who are your top lynch prospects for today?

I might be looking at Epig... TH's most recent post makes me crick my brow.

I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?

I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

For a variety of reasons, I don't think DP or Golden was the safe cracker.

I agree.

TH, yesterday, you discussed my thoughts on Zomba and their evolution through the game-- why did you ignore what I said about her on Day 1?

All I really did yesterday was compare your early vote for Zomba with your early vote for DP. I didn't go through the evolution of your thoughts on Zomba, but since you brought it up, I have now done so. And you have remained incredibly consistent. I find most of your posts about Zomba to be matter of fact, flat in tone and delivery. "We should lynch Zomba", "Zomba is bad", while when you're discussing other topics, you take on a more conversational tone with a degree of uncertainty. I don't know exactly what to make of this, but one explanation is that you are Zomba's teammate and you threw her under the bus after her bad reaction to BF's post, and you never looked back. I do think it's interesting that you made no mention of Zomba on Day 2 when Epi and I came out with a case against MM. You went along with the MM case and didn't mention Zomba's name at all. Then on Day 3 you went right back to suspecting Zomba.

But okay Dom, you thought DP was bad. He likely wasn't. Now where do you look? Was the DP case really the only thing you had?

I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?

I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

Really now, is that what you think?

TH, is LC wrong in that thinking?

[Black Rock]

No, but fingersplints did. She must be silenced.

Interesting. I thought I read something that made me think Epig is a certain role but it was something to do with Splints. I'm going to have to go over a few things to double check. With her voting Epig I might have been wrong in my thinking.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

I'm flattered I was thought important enough to nk.

[LizKeen]

I haven't felt good about Epi since I made that initial post about him. And tying up the vote between vompatti and zomberella didn't help.

At this point it just appears I've made myself an easy lynch target and that sucks. If that succeeds and you all have to start saying my bad I would be taking a long look at Epignosis, Juliet's Coffee and Elohcin, TH and Vomp.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Show me the strength of your
Singular eye.

My eyes are weak but the nose knows...

And I haven't cleared any of the above 5 people from my suspect list. But I suppose I was just being paranoid about the other, I didn't know how much people like to curse you. :P

[Turnip Head]

TH, yesterday, you discussed my thoughts on Zomba and their evolution through the game-- why did you ignore what I said about her on Day 1?

All I really did yesterday was compare your early vote for Zomba with your early vote for DP. I didn't go through the evolution of your thoughts on Zomba, but since you brought it up, I have now done so. And you have remained incredibly consistent. I find most of your posts about Zomba to be matter of fact, flat in tone and delivery. "We should lynch Zomba", "Zomba is bad", while when you're discussing other topics, you take on a more conversational tone with a degree of uncertainty. I don't know exactly what to make of this, but one explanation is that you are Zomba's teammate and you threw her under the bus after her bad reaction to BF's post, and you never looked back. I do think it's interesting that you made no mention of Zomba on Day 2 when Epi and I came out with a case against MM. You went along with the MM case and didn't mention Zomba's name at all. Then on Day 3 you went right back to suspecting Zomba.

But okay Dom, you thought DP was bad. He likely wasn't. Now where do you look? Was the DP case really the only thing you had?

I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?

I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

Really now, is that what you think?

TH, is LC wrong in that thinking?

LC is wrong, and furthermore I'm pretty sure he knows he is wrong.

[Epignosis]

When you've tried most everything and nothing's taking you higher
When you come to realize, you've been playing with fire
Hear me when I say to you, it's really down to your heart

It's the beginning of a new love in sight.
You've got the way to make it all happen.
Set it spinning turning roundabout.
Create a new dimension.
When we are winning we can stop and shout
Making love towards perfection.

[S~V~S]

I haven't felt good about Epi since I made that initial post about him. And tying up the vote between vompatti and zomberella didn't help.

At this point it just appears I've made myself an easy lynch target and that sucks. If that succeeds and you all have to start saying my bad I would be taking a long look at Epignosis, Juliet's Coffee and Elohcin, TH and Vomp.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Show me the strength of your
Singular eye.

My eyes are weak but the nose knows...

And I haven't cleared any of the above 5 people from my suspect list. But I suppose I was just being paranoid about the other, I didn't know how much people like to curse you. :P

LOTS of people have thrown guff at Epi this game. Not sure why you are so sure it's you up for the frame.

I just read all of your posts. You know what? The only person consistently in your suspect list is Vomp. And you never voted for him once. Not even when he was almost lynched. I know, I know, you voted early because you were in such fear for your life.

How do you know Juliets as Juliets Coffee? Did you play at RM or Lostpedia?

There is something bothering me after reading your posts, I have to read again and try to put the posts in context, and make them fit with your voting record.

[Marmot]

Anyone want to see my voting record?

Day 1 - Metalmarsh
Day 2 - Metalmarsh
Day 3 - Dead
Day 4 - Sophie, who I didn't want to lynch.

I'm having a dandy of a game right here.

[S~V~S]

If you did not want to lynch her, why the hoo ha did you vote for her? YOu are the second person to say this. I just don't get that.

[Marmot]

If you did not want to lynch her, why the hoo ha did you vote for her? YOu are the second person to say this. I just don't get that.

You're right. I should have continued spreading the vote around in the hopes of making the millionaire more powerful.

At the time of my vote, it didn't seem like anyone else had the potential to be lynched.

[S~V~S]

That is a cop out. One person is the millionaire. Most people are not. Don't roll your eyes at me *shakes fist*

Seriously, that is a cop out. If you did not think she was bad, you should have worked harder to save her.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Sorry everyone but I won''t be able to post tonight because i will be busy but I will be keeping up with the thread.

[Marmot]

That is a cop out. One person is the millionaire. Most people are not. Don't roll your eyes at me *shakes fist*

Seriously, that is a cop out. If you did not think she was bad, you should have worked harder to save her.

But what would be the point in voting someone I think is bad if I am the only one who's going to do so? Just saying. If that person is indeed bad, there is a 25% chance that person is also the millionaire. Not only would my vote be pointless, but it would also assist the baddies.

Generally that is a cop out. But this game is different.

Who do you want to lynch today SVS?

[S~V~S]

I am looking at Liz. I have read back on Dom & Epi, and doubt they are bad together. If one of the two feels bad to me, it is more likely to be Dom. I am not sure how I feel about the people accusing Epi. I think Epi has been buddying a bit to some folks, so like BR said before, Splints vote is intriguing. For various reasons, though, the people suspecting him feel more suspect to me than Epi does himself. LCs game is a bit murkier to me than usual; I can usually have a fairly clear read on him. That is not the case here.

What about you?

[Marmot]

It's Epignosis who I think we should lynch, which I will go into soon.



May I ask what exactly you mean by "If one of the two feels bad to me". I know you just stated you don't think they are bad together (which sounds logical enough), but what do you mean by, "If one of them feels bad".

Also, why do you think Dom is more likely to be bad, even though you offered reasons for Epignosis being bad, but not for Dom?

[LizKeen]

LOTS of people have thrown guff at Epi this game. Not sure why you are so sure it's you up for the frame.

Like I said I was being paranoid.

I just read all of your posts. You know what? The only person consistently in your suspect list is Vomp. And you never voted for him once. Not even when he was almost lynched. I know, I know, you voted early because you were in such fear for your life.

Like you pointed out, I voted early because it was either that or chance missing another vote and at that point I had no way of knowing how the lynch was going to go. The suspicion at that point seemed to be me or Zomberella so a vote on Vompatti wouldn't have made sense. If you look at the posts you 'll see I wasn't back that day before the vote. Given how many votes he got that day and that post he made yesterday I think it may be a very good thing he didn't get any more votes. It seems he actually wants them. And actually my suspect list hasn't changed much, if at all. My only problem is there's about 7 people on it and there's supposedly only 4 mafia left.



How do you know Juliets as Juliets Coffee? Did you play at RM or Lostpedia?
I did play at Lostpedia once or twice a long time ago. And I read a couple of games at RM but decided not to join. I think that name just got stuck in my head.

There is something bothering me after reading your posts, I have to read again and try to put the posts in context, and make them fit with your voting record.[/quote]

Make them fit? Just to make me look bad?

[juliets]

I did not play games at Lostpedia as Juliets Coffee. I played as ImaPisces. And how many games did you read at Rev?

[S~V~S]

Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

LC has been single minded about Epi. He acts like a person with info. Even Epi said he sounded like he had info. The fact that he said that makes me think if there is info, it is info open to interpretation.

What is your opinion on Liz?

Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

[rabbit8]

Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

LC has been single minded about Epi. He acts like a person with info. Even Epi said he sounded like he had info. The fact that he said that makes me think if there is info, it is info open to interpretation.

What is your opinion on Liz?

Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

You really think the info LC has is open to interpretation?

[Marmot]

What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

[Black Rock]

It's Epignosis who I think we should lynch, which I will go into soon.



May I ask what exactly you mean by "If one of the two feels bad to me". I know you just stated you don't think they are bad together (which sounds logical enough), but what do you mean by, "If one of them feels bad".

Also, why do you think Dom is more likely to be bad, even though you offered reasons for Epignosis being bad, but not for Dom?

Didn't you say this before? When is soon?

[birdwithteeth11]

Liz, if Vomps really is one of your prime suspects, why refuse to throw a vote on him? Talking about someone you think is bad and never voting them makes me think you're throwing out a teammate's name just to try to semi-distance, but not voting them because you're afraid to take a teammate down.

I honestly have no idea how to read Dom right now. All the curses on Epig make me feel worse about him though, not better. Like I think someone wants to help him hide something.

MM, if you don't think someone should get lynched, then don't vote for them to try and keep the Millionaire from getting votes. Because you doing that makes me think that you're one of two roles.

Linki: I could consider a vote for Liz today. But I could just as well for MM or Epig too.

Linki2: And yet, if you think we should lynch Liz because she's bad, then why mention not that long ago that Epig needs to be lynched? Having trouble making up your mind?

[Marmot]

@BR, yes I did say that before.

Soon means I'm trying to organize my thoughts at this moment.

[S~V~S]

Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

LC has been single minded about Epi. He acts like a person with info. Even Epi said he sounded like he had info. The fact that he said that makes me think if there is info, it is info open to interpretation.

What is your opinion on Liz?

Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

You really think the info LC has is open to interpretation?

I have no idea what info LC has, or if he even does. What I said was that the fact that Epi said that like that leads me think it might be. Why would he make a point of pointing it out otherwise? I have played with bad Epi lots more than you have, and that seems like something I would not expect him to do if LC actually had info that was not open to interpretation, info that said Epi was bad unequivocally.

If you guys want to lynch Epi, feel free. I am not planning on voting for him myself.

What do you know about LCs info?

Linki @ BWT, yeah really, across the board

[Marmot]

Linki: I could consider a vote for Liz today. But I could just as well for MM or Epig too.

Why me?

Linki2: And yet, if you think we should lynch Liz because she's bad, then why mention not that long ago that Epig needs to be lynched? Having trouble making up your mind?

I'm allowed to have multiple opinions.

And yes I am having trouble. A lot of trouble as a matter of fact.

[rabbit8]

I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

[S~V~S]

I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

[rabbit8]

I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

[Epignosis]

LOTS of people have thrown guff at Epi this game. Not sure why you are so sure it's you up for the frame.

Like I said I was being paranoid.

I just read all of your posts. You know what? The only person consistently in your suspect list is Vomp. And you never voted for him once. Not even when he was almost lynched. I know, I know, you voted early because you were in such fear for your life.

Like you pointed out, I voted early because it was either that or chance missing another vote and at that point I had no way of knowing how the lynch was going to go. The suspicion at that point seemed to be me or Zomberella so a vote on Vompatti wouldn't have made sense. If you look at the posts you 'll see I wasn't back that day before the vote. Given how many votes he got that day and that post he made yesterday I think it may be a very good thing he didn't get any more votes. It seems he actually wants them. And actually my suspect list hasn't changed much, if at all. My only problem is there's about 7 people on it and there's supposedly only 4 mafia left.



How do you know Juliets as Juliets Coffee? Did you play at RM or Lostpedia?
I did play at Lostpedia once or twice a long time ago. And I read a couple of games at RM but decided not to join. I think that name just got stuck in my head.

There is something bothering me after reading your posts, I have to read again and try to put the posts in context, and make them fit with your voting record.

Make them fit? Just to make me look bad?[/quote]

I see you
I see you though your eyes can tell lies I sympathize

[S~V~S]

I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

No I didn't~ but i don't have any reason to trust him either. And I don't think TH is a baddie. Just the way LC did not even recall that is was his own thoughts that led people to possibly believe DP could have been a Celestial, not BRs killer. It was odd.

[S~V~S]

How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

[rabbit8]

I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

No I didn't~ but i don't have any reason to trust him either. And I don't think TH is a baddie. Just the way LC did not even recall that is was his own thoughts that led people to possibly believe DP could have been a Celestial, not BRs killer. It was odd.

No one has brought up LCs info in a while. You bring it up then dismiss it casually in the same paragraph. This is weird.

I'm not sold on TH being a civvie. I think he has BTSC. I don't know if that is good or bad.

[rabbit8]

How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Maybe I'm defending him?

[Epignosis]

I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

Think it over; time will heal your fear. Think it over.

[rabbit8]

I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

Think it over; time will heal your fear. Think it over.

Maybe. I never rush my vote.

[rabbit8]

How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Also our only arguments all game has been over BF and Zomba, not LC. Please don't make things up.

[Epignosis]

They move fast, they tell me,
But I just can't believe they really mean to

[S~V~S]

How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Maybe I'm defending him?

And the fact is, i brought up the info thing becasue Epi specifically mentioned it himself. So not sure if I think he would have said that if the purported info could actually be true. It gives me doubt about Epi. If I am wrong, then LC is probably not a baddie. The wind is blowing that way. I am not going to vote for him myself.

I am looking forward to hearing what MM has to say.

Linki, so not making stuff up

this is from this morning, the "you" in the first part of my quote is LC.

Well, the reason DP had the charm would be clear IMO based on a theory YOU proposed about why someone would steal that object from BR night one.

I happen to think that theory makes sense. And Golden was already dead iirc by then.

You think DP is a civvie or indy?

Well, the post said he was NKed by Van Tresser, aka the BBB. So yeah, I think he was civ or Indy.

My guess would be Indy since he had BRs charm, and that theory about why someone would want that item, makes total sense to me. IIRC LC posited on Day One that that charm could be one of the treasures of the orient. Plus there was a fairly spirited defense of him, considering that he is an infamous low poster who had said very little, tbh.

Both circumstantial, but it fits to me

[rabbit8]

So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

[Marmot]

Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

[S~V~S]

Linki, I just did ha ha

[rabbit8]

So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

Yes, this morning, the same day. Stop making it like I have been defending LC all game. Absurd.

I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

[S~V~S]

So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

Look at the post right above this one that you made

i did not say all game. that was the first time I mentioned LC. Never said the whole game.

[Epignosis]

I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

[rabbit8]

Linki, I just did ha ha

You showed that today I have been getting baddie vibes from you who.

[rabbit8]

So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

Look at the post right above this one that you made

i did not say all game. that was the first time I mentioned LC. Never said the whole game.

I saw it. Like I said, something that is not a continuation of todays argument. Thanks.

[rabbit8]

I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.