Metalmarsh89 wrote:What do you think about TH right now, SVS?
Also, what do you think about LizKeen?
I think TH <3 civs and I think baddies fear him
I have spent most of the game thinking Liz is bad, tbh. But right now, seeing everyone else (and I trust none of you tbh, lol) closing in on her, my misplaced nurturing feelings are kicking in. But she has struck me as bad pretty much most of the game. My main interest today is saying what I have to say since who knows if i will be silenced or dead tomorrow.
I miss Splints I did think it was interesting that she brought up Faraday again before she was killed. What do you think of Faraday? And Rabbit, you buying what i am selling yet? I will give you a reduced price
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
S~V~S wrote:
I think TH <3 civs and I think baddies fear him
I have spent most of the game thinking Liz is bad, tbh. But right now, seeing everyone else (and I trust none of you tbh, lol) closing in on her, my misplaced nurturing feelings are kicking in. But she has struck me as bad pretty much most of the game. My main interest today is saying what I have to say since who knows if i will be silenced or dead tomorrow.
If you think she's bad, why not vote her? I feel most strongly about the case on her right now.
S~V~S wrote:I miss Splints I did think it was interesting that she brought up Faraday again before she was killed. What do you think of Faraday? And Rabbit, you buying what i am selling yet? I will give you a reduced price
She did that? Must have missed it. Faraday did catch my attention earlier and I do mean to have a proper look at him.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:What do you think about TH right now, SVS?
Also, what do you think about LizKeen?
I think TH <3 civs and I think baddies fear him
I have spent most of the game thinking Liz is bad, tbh. But right now, seeing everyone else (and I trust none of you tbh, lol) closing in on her, my misplaced nurturing feelings are kicking in. But she has struck me as bad pretty much most of the game. My main interest today is saying what I have to say since who knows if i will be silenced or dead tomorrow.
I miss Splints I did think it was interesting that she brought up Faraday again before she was killed. What do you think of Faraday? And Rabbit, you buying what i am selling yet? I will give you a reduced price
No opinions on either of them right now, except that rabbit seems quiter to me lately. Should I be looking at them?
I was asking Rabbit a question, not for an opinion on him; sorry for lack of Clarity. And I have no kids, I tend to want to nurture the underdog. IRL and in games. It gets me in trouble. IRL & in games.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
rabbit8 wrote:I agree with everything you're selling SVS. I have a large family, I will be less active, MM, but i think all your posts are on point.
Everyone is awesome, and I love rainbows and stuff....
You have a large family, your username is rabbit8, I see the correlation.
You'll get no reciprocal feelings from me either.
rabbit, do you think I am bad?
I don't think anyone is bad. I think you're all special awesomeness defind. Like unicorns qith lollipops.
Poor rabbit is cursed.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
I just posted right before you posted saying I havent' posted! I just don't have much to say today. Liz is still on the top of my list, Vompatti I'm unsure of. I don't particularly like that he doesn't care about his team, whatever team that is, and is just doing stuff to make himself happy.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
I listed you in the 1-2 posts list, because at the time you had 2 posts.
I think there is some decent reasoning to lynch LizKeen. However, I don't think doing so without some quality discussion would be a good idea. I brought a bunch of quotes and points forward that I thought were worth looking at and talking about, and SVS is the only one to comment on them, and I guess rabbit too.
If you honestly have nothing to add, well thank you for at least being honest.
I guess I am also forgetting it is Easter weekend, and some people tend to be busy during such times.
Metalmarsh, it is saturday which is a busy day for me and it's easter. I will be sure and comment on your posts. Also, don't forget you are an ultra high poster so try not to judge by your standards (I don't know if you were so if you weren't just ignore my comment). I do think it's odd that some people haven't posted at all in the new day. (Except TH because I feel sure he is silenced).
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
juliets wrote:Metalmarsh, it is saturday which is a busy day for me and it's easter. I will be sure and comment on your posts. Also, don't forget you are an ultra high poster so try not to judge by your standards (I don't know if you were so if you weren't just ignore my comment). I do think it's odd that some people haven't posted at all in the new day. (Except TH because I feel sure he is silenced).
I'll try not to.
And if/when other players do start popping in to comment post, there are at least some things for them to talk about.
I do remember Canucklegoose saying recently that she would be busy with some things IRL. I also would like to hear from Bass.
Long Con wrote:RIP, Splintsy, if it's any consolation, I trusted you for the most part.
I feel like it's something I've seen in a game before... a baddie killing the very Civvie that trusted them the most as a way to trick the other Civvies.
I know, right? But nah. That would be way too obvious.
MM, while I know you didn't post a case per say on Liz, I think it makes a very compelling argument to her being bad. Especially her question about the Celestials from Day 2(?). Seems to me the kind of thing only a baddie would be interested in knowing. I don't think a civvie would care too much, and would assume that the Celestials are trying to help them lynch baddies.
I do not think Vomps is bad, and anyone who votes him a second time today should be seriously looked at as possibly being bad. I think people looking to vote him today are just grasping at straws.
I am still up for either a Liz or SVS lynch too. I thought I was stronger on SVS, but MM's post on Liz makes me feel more comfortable about her now. I'll have to mull this one over.
Speaking of things I've heard before, I feel like I've heard several people mention over the course of my mafia history that SVS tends to be fairly calculated and rational when she's bad and is accused of being bad, but more emotional and reactionary when she's good and is accused of being bad. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I do not think Vomps is bad, and anyone who votes him a second time today should be seriously looked at as possibly being bad. I think people looking to vote him today are just grasping at straws.
Do you think vomps is not bad because of the Zomba lynch, or does he read not bad to you?
Linki: I've never heard that before. I also try to read each game separate from another. If someone else brings something like that up, I'm willing to talk about it, but I don't usually go out of my way to compare a player's behavior from one game to another. Every player adapts and regresses to the game, just like a pitcher in baseball.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I do not think Vomps is bad, and anyone who votes him a second time today should be seriously looked at as possibly being bad. I think people looking to vote him today are just grasping at straws.
Do you think vomps is not bad because of the Zomba lynch, or does he read not bad to you?
Linki: I've never heard that before. I also try to read each game separate from another. If someone else brings something like that up, I'm willing to talk about it, but I don't usually go out of my way to compare a player's behavior from one game to another. Every player adapts and regresses to the game, just like a pitcher in baseball.
Neither actually. I just think that the reasons I've seen for wanting him lynched are incredibly weak. Especially compared to the vast majority of other people out there who I think have more legitimate reasons to be held under the microscope.
I'm the same as you with that, normally. But it's like a little voice I can't shake out of my head, even if logic is telling me otherwise. Like I said, I'm mostly curious as to others' thoughts on it.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Do the Celestials and/or the mafia have BTSC?
Yes.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Speaking of things I've heard before, I feel like I've heard several people mention over the course of my mafia history that SVS tends to be fairly calculated and rational when she's bad and is accused of being bad, but more emotional and reactionary when she's good and is accused of being bad. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?
I have done both, tbh. It depends on the circumstances. I freaked out equally badly in Recruitment as I did in Death Note; I was bad in one and good in the other.
Skip softly, my moonbeams, for I have heard tell
That the stairs up to heaven lead straight down to hell
Turnip Head wrote:You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
You stole my line.
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know if baddies can transfer items around between teamies, but my guess is that the vault keeps papers safe from thieves.
I don't think so:
thellama73 wrote:How Items Work
Some items can be used to confer benefits, some cannot. Some items will be consumed when used, some will not. Most items can be stolen. When someone is lynched, all of the items they possess go to the people who voted for them, in order. So the first vote gets the first item, etc. When someone is NKed, whoever performed the kill gets the item. Items may not be voluntarily traded between players.
Transfer and traded are two different things. So I would say it could be possible for a teammate to give an item to put in the safe.
I'm baffled as to why the stock certificate would start a fire. Why would anyone want to burn stock? Unless the stock market crashes.
I'm off to bed but I hope tomorrow doesn't find the whole city burned down.
Who had the safe? Epignosis. The other baddie had a vault.
On Night 1, LizKeen could not have possibly known this unless she was a baddie.
Metalmarsh, how do we know that it's true that other baddies could put things in the safe and vault? I mean if its true, then yeah Liz's comment looks bad. Maybe I am just misunderstanding what you are saying here.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pmAlways good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.
Bullzeye wrote:Being useful and being a civvie are two entirely different things though.
Ok, what is it about Vompatti's post that you're finding civvie?
His posts are the usual Vompatti stuff.
Well that would drive me batty.
I wish I knew how to convince you people I'm not bad. Does it even make sense I would be on a team with Epignosis? I've thought he was bad since about Day 2. And he was trying to steer people towards me Day 3.
Do you not have anything to say about the rest of my post? I wish someone could explain to me where the other three baddies voted if both Zomb and Vomp are bad and got so many votes each. In my opinion, it makes more sense that some of the people responsible for the Vomp case would be baddies trying to save Zomb. Epi even voted Vomp to tie it up! Why would he have deliberately created a tie between two of his teammates? Surely it would have been better for him to put the final nail in Zomb's coffin?
As for you, it's not unheard of for teammates to go after each other. That's the whole concept of distancing. Some players spend all game looking for a nice big bus to throw their own team under when they're bad. For all I know you could be like that. The two of you could've agreed in btsc to go after each other so one would have civ cred when the other was lynched. A lot of your posts just don't add up with the idea of you being good IMO.
I guess I don't know what else I was supposed to say to that. This post kind of contradicts itself. You're saying one teammate wouldn't have voted another but then you say two teammates would throw each other under the bus for distancing? Maybe Vompatti and Zombarella were teammates and since Vompatti wasn't really participating they threw him under the bus. I don't know.
S~V~S wrote:
Like I said, though. I would either like to test LCs theory with a Vomp lynch. Or you can try to lynch me, or the obviously silenced AGAIN Turnip Head. I won't be voting for Turnip Head- ever. (in this game)
Linki, Wow, Vomps is having a linear conversation with someone. I don't know that I have ever seen that
You weren't voting Epignosis either. By the end of the day I wouldn't be surprised to see you vote TH.
Vompatti wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Vompatti wrote:If Turnip Head is not bad, why did he vote for me?
Maybe he thinks you're bad, Sugar. It happens.
He should be thankful for all the votes I gave him.
I don't understand this post, unless you're saying TH IS the millionaire.
Bullzeye wrote:I do still have the key, but I've put it up for sale in this auction thing since it's completely useless t me.
What if it becomes useful? Why would you chance selling it to the mafia?
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LizKeen wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.
You stole my line.
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know if baddies can transfer items around between teamies, but my guess is that the vault keeps papers safe from thieves.
I don't think so:
thellama73 wrote:How Items Work
Some items can be used to confer benefits, some cannot. Some items will be consumed when used, some will not. Most items can be stolen. When someone is lynched, all of the items they possess go to the people who voted for them, in order. So the first vote gets the first item, etc. When someone is NKed, whoever performed the kill gets the item. Items may not be voluntarily traded between players.
Transfer and traded are two different things. So I would say it could be possible for a teammate to give an item to put in the safe.
I'm baffled as to why the stock certificate would start a fire. Why would anyone want to burn stock? Unless the stock market crashes.
I'm off to bed but I hope tomorrow doesn't find the whole city burned down.
Who had the safe? Epignosis. The other baddie had a vault.
On Night 1, LizKeen could not have possibly known this unless she was a baddie.
I didn't KNOW anything. We're back to this ridiculous argument again. I was MERELY SPECULATING, because as I've said before to me TRANSFER AND TRADE MEAN TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Long Con wrote:Interesting point on Lizkeen, Metalmarsh! It's like she knew that a baddie or Celestial had the Safe, isn't that right?
Again, didn't know anything. All I had was those earphones and I've put it out there multiple times what I heard.
And this (finally) is the first time that LizKeen mentioned any suspicion of Epignosis. This happened Day 3, just after SVS mentioned the theory that TH and Epignosis were targeted together, in agreement with SVS's post.[/quote]
I was suspicious of Epi for trying to steer the next lynch in my direction.
I've got to run to the store before it closes and then I'll address anything else addressed to me or about me.
LizKeen wrote:
I guess I don't know what else I was supposed to say to that. This post kind of contradicts itself. You're saying one teammate wouldn't have voted another but then you say two teammates would throw each other under the bus for distancing? Maybe Vompatti and Zombarella were teammates and since Vompatti wasn't really participating they threw him under the bus. I don't know.
I don't see why they'd do that though. If a baddie looks like they're in danger but it could be recovered, usually their team tries to push for someone else's lynch. Why would they do that with another of their team. Why would Epi ensure that the vote was a tie between his two teammates? If your answer is "for civ cred" then I will tell you you're wrong because he'd have got more civ cred from voting Zomb and sealing her lynch.
LizKeen wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I do still have the key, but I've put it up for sale in this auction thing since it's completely useless t me.
What if it becomes useful? Why would you chance selling it to the mafia?
The key is very unlikely to ever become useful to me because I don't have the power to steal items, and therefore cannot be blocked by a locked door. As I understand it, that's where the key comes into play. So I'm putting it on sale, I was hoping a Celestial might be inclined to buy it in exchange for anything fun but not Oriental that they've come across in their travels.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Less than 24 hours left in the day, and still waiting on these people to post.
Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Canucklehead
Turnip Head (possibly silenced since he voted already)
And hardly a word from these people. (1-2 posts)
Black Rock
DFarady
Dom
Elohcin
juliets
That's a lot of quiety quietness.
It's Easter weekend dude. Like I said I have to vote today because I won't be around at all tomorrow. I just hopped like a bunny rabbit all over the house so the kids wake in joyful moods. I am here now to decide what I want to do with today's vote.
Ok, I'm going to start here. Elohcin, Bass_the_Clever, and DFaraday are all players that are forgettable. I was surprised to see that Elohcin had 60 posts because I can't remember any of her opinions. I will be reviewing her posts after this. DF has 18 posts? How is that possible this far into the game? Bass replaced MP if I'm remembering correctly and I was never that comfortable with MP from the beginning, then I felt shamed to suspect him because of his over the top posts. I will be reviewing all three of these players next and see how I feel after that.
Otherwise my main suspect I am looking at is Liz but I'm not making a decision until after my review.
LizKeen wrote:[quote="Zombarella"]BTW - You are the only other person I've met who watches the Black List. It really is a great show. I covet Liz's hair.
Golden wrote:I watch the blacklist
I covet Tom Keen. I used to think he was nerdy but now that he's a bad boy he's kinda hot. I don't know anyone who watches it but you two.
SVS, you must be getting up as I go to bed.
I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If I don't vote Zombarella and she gets lynched and flips bad then I'm going to be accused of being her teammate. If I vote her and she flips civvie then I'm helping lynch another civvie. This really sucks.
As a civvie you dont have to think in "what looks good", you have to say what you think and claim whatever you think even if it goes against whatever the rest of the thread thinks.
If they wanna lynch you for it, its they loss, they would lynch a civvie. But maybe your thoughts would be revisited later and they could help the civvies.
At least thats how i play when im civ. Thats why im usually a suspicion every game, and thats why y always tend to survive till the late stages of the game, cause the baddies know they can bring me up for suspicion.
The ONLY times i care about "how things look" and try to really appear civvie, is when im bad. As a baddie i try to be consistent and not to say things "out of tune".
I think the best thing to do for civvies is speak their mind even if they get super suspected because of it
Btw, where is daniel faraday??
I am here, it's been a busy week. And today is Early Release, which means I won't be back on here for the rest of the day.
It seems like everything right now is based on behind the scenes shenanigans, assumptions, and taking the word of people, so it's hard to pin anything down. I think Zomba is the most likely to illuminate us though, so I will *vote Zombarella* and if she comes back as a baddie, as I suspect, that will make things clearer.[/quote]
I decided to start with DF because it was the easiest. Not much there of course but I do have a question for you DF. Were things made clearer for you? If so what did you get from that lynch?
The host has no problem with it so I'm going to try it. The only way I can think of to get you guys to believe me is to hand you my vote at this point. So here's the deal: Tomorrow's Easter and I won't be around until late, however, if before I go to bed, (and I'm an insomniac so that will be a while), if enough people can come to an agreement on where I should place my vote tomorrow I will put my vote on that person. First, second, third vote, whatever I really don't care. (Obviously not going to vote myself of course.) I won't go off just 3 people because that could be mafia, I think to be fair I need at least 7 people in agreement.
After a quick review of Elohcin I don't know how I feel over all. I think I currently do not suspect her. Her earlier posts felt much more suspicious than her later posts. I would like more of her thoughts though.
LizKeen wrote:The host has no problem with it so I'm going to try it. The only way I can think of to get you guys to believe me is to hand you my vote at this point. So here's the deal: Tomorrow's Easter and I won't be around until late, however, if before I go to bed, (and I'm an insomniac so that will be a while), if enough people can come to an agreement on where I should place my vote tomorrow I will put my vote on that person. First, second, third vote, whatever I really don't care. (Obviously not going to vote myself of course.) I won't go off just 3 people because that could be mafia, I think to be fair I need at least 7 people in agreement.
I don't really understand.
What I want to know is what can you accomplish from a group of us telling you where to put your vote that you couldn't accomplish by placing your vote somewhere yourself?
Alright I got nothing so far. I am comfortable with Bass at this moment. I don't know if I am comfortable voting at this point. I don't know how I can vote on time tomorrow. The lynch ends while I am at my mother-in-laws for Easter dinner. I have to wake up, do the bunny thing, go to work, then go to Easter dinner. Gah! I wish the lynch was extended to Monday. I am so tired right now, and I'm talking to myself.
Also with this Liz thing I have no idea what she means. I checked the roles and really don't get this hint thing. I wish someone was around to bounce ideas off of.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Less than 24 hours left in the day, and still waiting on these people to post.
Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Canucklehead
Turnip Head (possibly silenced since he voted already)
And hardly a word from these people. (1-2 posts)
Black Rock
DFarady
Dom
Elohcin
juliets
That's a lot of quiety quietness.
It's Easter weekend dude. Like I said I have to vote today because I won't be around at all tomorrow. I just hopped like a bunny rabbit all over the house so the kids wake in joyful moods. I am here now to decide what I want to do with today's vote.
I didn't think about this until after I posted that list, as you may have noticed.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Less than 24 hours left in the day, and still waiting on these people to post.
Bass_the_Clever
birdwithteeth11
Canucklehead
Turnip Head (possibly silenced since he voted already)
And hardly a word from these people. (1-2 posts)
Black Rock
DFarady
Dom
Elohcin
juliets
That's a lot of quiety quietness.
It's Easter weekend dude. Like I said I have to vote today because I won't be around at all tomorrow. I just hopped like a bunny rabbit all over the house so the kids wake in joyful moods. I am here now to decide what I want to do with today's vote.
I didn't think about this until after I posted that list, as you may have noticed.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Belated linki: Yeah, I don't understand either...
My initial thought is for her to place her vote on SVS, but I dunno what that will do.
Why SVS?
I still think S V S could be bad based on multiple circumstances.
1) Defending the millionaire when blindfaeth did his thing Day 1, then going after Zomba after her name was revealed.
2) The last point in the list I brought forth on LizKeen, in which LizKeen suspects Epignosis based on reasoning brought forth by SVS.
3) Defending Epignosis yesterday
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Belated linki: Yeah, I don't understand either...
My initial thought is for her to place her vote on SVS, but I dunno what that will do.
Why SVS?
I still think S V S could be bad based on multiple circumstances.
1) Defending the millionaire when blindfaeth did his thing Day 1, then going after Zomba after her name was revealed.
2) The last point in the list I brought forth on LizKeen, in which LizKeen suspects Epignosis based on reasoning brought forth by SVS.
3) Defending Epignosis yesterday
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I saw this post from SVS, and want to bring it back up.
S~V~S wrote:Top Posters (I doubt they silenced A Person, lol):
Metalmarsh89 160 Dead Golden 155 Talking Epignosis 124 Talking
Turnip Head 120 S~V~S 109 Talking rabbit8 105 Talking
Long Con
So it is possibly someone else, but likely LC or TH. Both usually post overnight, so we should know soonish. I also wonder if TH could have been silenced, since Epi was insanified. They both had a similar suspicion. I would guess either they are protecting Liz with an implied frame or actually framing Liz.
The post in the NP about the will also leads me to be more leery of Zomba. This post intrigues me immensely. After I read it, I PMed the host to double check that I had the will. And I did. So either it is another will or...
I have a theory that the person who was supposed to be NKed may have been me since the killer is supposedly in possession of the will in that message; had I died, the BB of Bremen WOULD have had the will. The baddies can't steal items, they have to kill for them. Now there is not a gossip/message to the thread type role. So it must be a function of the Doctor, or of Gilchrist. Who is the person the message purports to be the writer of the will.
I really, really doubt Llama would allow Gilchrist to make this post, if it is his power, since a PLAYER name has been attached to the will. So I think this is a message from the baddies, tbh. The main sticking point here is that how would they know the real Gilchrist would not say, "SHENANIGANS!!!"
Have not figured that out yet.
So less than 90 minutes after Day 4 starts, SVS introduces a theory that Epignosis and TH were simultaneously targeted with a curse and a silence specifically by the same team. That sounds premeditated to me. Sure Epignosis was targeted with a curse, but is it really that likely that it was a baddie who did it? And also, it just seems so early for SVS to deduce that TH was targeted with a silence, just because he had the same suspicion as Epignosis.
LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.
And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.
Oh and welcome Bass.
And this (finally) is the first time that LizKeen mentioned any suspicion of Epignosis. This happened Day 3, just after SVS mentioned the theory that TH and Epignosis were targeted together, in agreement with SVS's post.
and I think baddies fear him 
I did think it was interesting that she brought up Faraday again before she was killed. What do you think of Faraday? And Rabbit, you buying what i am selling yet? I will give you a reduced price 
Fiddler on the Roof
