Harry Stephen Keeler [ENDGAME]

[fingersplints]

Damn Clark Street was a dud

[S~V~S]

Yes the serotonin thing was us, Splints was talking about Chico, and I had just read article about a study they did with serotonin levels and different species. they said that if humans and dogs stare at each other, it elevates the serotonin levels of both, and that this is the only instance of this. They studied all kinds of other animals (walruses staring at hedgehogs? Nothing) and it was only the dog/human bond that made that kind of biological impact.

We would have liked to have won, but Congrats Civs

[juliets]

who were the twins who gained bts?

[Epignosis]

Michigan Ave. - A random player is named in the will of another random player, inheriting all their stuff when they die. It never occured to me that this would be confused with the other will in the item list. In HSK novels, there is always AT LEAST one crazy will.

This was funny, and llama's description should say "role," rather than player, I think.

I believed Long Con was Gilrick Sandringham because he was gunning for me hard as hell. My belief was that he could give his will to someone, and that player's role would be noted in the newspaper. A clever take on a role check, I figured. Therefore, I decided to preempt Long Con's "info" (which he never had, lol), and try to diffuse the situation.

I thought I was all right after the Sophie lynch, but then I got Yescursed.

By the way, S~V~S, my Yes lyrics to you about defending me? I thought that was funny as shit. That's all that was.

[Dom]

Dom, splints didn't have the safe because she gave it to me BR didn't get the safe until I died. In fact, Golden, DP and splintsy ALL were able to successfully die holding none of our oriental treasures or other items until the baddies whacked me. We played an intense game of hot potato and it worked right up until the end.

My logic was faulty then. Correct, but faulty.

Good game everyone! I had fun and am a bit peeved that I didn't win. But alas--- I played my hand with BR too early. Though, given the writing on the wall, maybe she could have let me live.


I knew Zomba had the vault because I checked her. I also checked BR and discovered that she had the safe. Since splints never got it after she died-- I knew BR had to be bad. I tried to create a case out of this, and I'm sorry if I sucked at it BR. I also was told she had more than one item NOT in the safe.


JC-- Canuck and I were the twins, but she was too busy for BTS.


Thx to hosts and players. I had a wonderful time.

I had the safe? Well that was one item I forgot about. I killed you because you were calling me a liar and your case was not a case. You upset me. :P I was going to die anyways, you might as well waited until after. I probably would have killed you anyways because it was between you and SVS and I didn't want to kill SVS. I was feeling too guilty at the time to kill her. I'm not a baddie at heart.

I knew you had the safe and "Black Rock has a safe. It is empty, but you notice lots of other items lying around her place."
So I tried to build a case around people telling how many items they have and you lying about the circumstances.

[Turnip Head]

See BR, if you had never killed me then you would never have gotten ANY items, and Dom never would have caught on!

[thellama73]

who were the twins who gained bts?

Dom and Canucklehead.

[S~V~S]

Dom why were you so sure I was bad?

[Dom]

Dom why were you so sure I was bad?

Gut feeling. There was something specific early on that I can't remember anymore (quite minor) and I just couldn't see it any other way until about Bullz's lynch or so.

[Dom]

Also-- it gathered a tiny bit of suspicion about me which kept me from being NK'd for a while.

[Black Rock]

See BR, if you had never killed me then you would never have gotten ANY items, and Dom never would have caught on!

Mental Note: Killing TH begins a downward spiral. Don't do it again.

[juliets]

BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

[Black Rock]

BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

Thank you. I was proud of my game play this game. I had no suspicions on me until the end. That has never happened to me.

[Dom]

BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

Thank you. I was proud of my game play this game. I had no suspicions on me until the end. That has never happened to me.

T'was impressive!

[Bass_the_Clever]

I just want to say thanks to llama for the neat game. Im glad I got to replace in and show off my poet skills.

[blindfaeth]

Congrats!

[blindfaeth]

Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Not too shabby for day one. Called out zomba, bullz and epig. Wrong about Dom but right that SVS wasn't bad. I'm proud of myself, I'm sure the baddies were happy to lynch me.

[Epignosis]

Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

Not too shabby for day one. Called out zomba, bullz and epig. Wrong about Dom but right that SVS wasn't bad. I'm proud of myself, I'm sure the baddies were happy to lynch me.

You called out fourteen hundred other players Day 1 too.

[blindfaeth]

That's not true...the only people I suspected wrongly were th and Dom. I renounced my suspicion of th. I argued with SVS but made it clear I thought she was misguided.

[Marmot]

It turned a large BTS group AGAINST you.

It turned one angry mama bear against us.

No, I was the mouthpiece. Almost every post I made was discussed at length. I was an angry momma bear, but I was channeling my dead cubs.

We did not actively try to lynch any of you until you killed TH. Before that, we actively tried to NOT lynch Epi, for instance. Zomba, too.

Linki @Bass~ I thought Eloh or Dom sent that. I had fun with that since due to also being silenced, I could ONLY post that. I liked Llamas approach to multi targeting this game, and will adopt it myself in future games.

I tried to save you from being silenced when I switched to Bass's role. Unfortunately, it didn't work out how I hoped.

[Marmot]

Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

[Epignosis]

Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I want to point out at this time that when I made the reference to Black Rock getting killed, I was just being amused. There was no plot behind that remark, as Long Con later alleged.
















I really should just stop saying stupid shit to amuse myself.

[Black Rock]

Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I would have never believed it. I was sad to see you lynched.

[Marmot]

Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I want to point out at this time that when I made the reference to Black Rock getting killed, I was just being amused. There was no plot behind that remark, as Long Con later alleged.
















I really should just stop saying stupid shit to amuse myself.

I'm not blaming you at all. I'm blaming the civilians.

Your case was literally "Metalmarsh89 is my #1 man."

Linki: You still NK'd me.

[Long Con]

Even though i knew you were bad, it really was like kicking a kitten.

What is voting for me like?

I can't believe players fell for your bullshit case on me on Day 2.

I didn't do myself any favors, sure, but whatever.

I want to point out at this time that when I made the reference to Black Rock getting killed, I was just being amused. There was no plot behind that remark, as Long Con later alleged.

I alleged that you should have defended MM instead of accusing him.

[Ricochet]

Holy carp, a Vompatti win! Congrats to the other winners as well. I think Bass is on a three-game streak. (except if he played in RR and I forgot about that)

As a spectator, I just want to say the amount and type of curses was just amazing and incredibly funny.

Why didn't the Celestials win? I couldn't keep up with who had what item and what Treasures needed to be secured.

[LizKeen]

Congrats to the civvies!

I was convinced someone had been recruited because I just had too many people I thought were bad. I didn't occur to me the celestials would want to work with the baddies. I knew every time someone tried to push a lynch my way they were bad. For the record, I could either put an item in the bag or use it-not both. I figured they would be stolen. I just misunderstood what I heard Night 1 for a while. I was really hoping offering up my vote would save me another day.

Thanks for the great game Llama!

[S~V~S]

We weren't working for the baddies, we were horribly misguided though; i honestly believed BF to be bad, we ALL thought Sophie was bad, and several of us really thought you were bad. We tried to connect to them after the killed Splints. They blew us off and then killed TH. After that we lost our win, so we didn't give a crap.

[Bullzeye]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

We weren't working for the baddies, we were horribly misguided though; i honestly believed BF to be bad, we ALL thought Sophie was bad, and several of us really thought you were bad. We tried to connect to them after the killed Splints. They blew us off and then killed TH. After that we lost our win, so we didn't give a crap.

We didn't believe you about the safe. What was in it? I remember saying it was either empty or a trap that would lead to our lynches. FWIW I felt a bit bad killing off your team as we did, but we saw you all as a threat. Epi was happy to continue massacring you but I convinced him to leave you and TH alive because I didn't think the two of you alone could do much damage.

[Dom]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

[Bullzeye]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

[S~V~S]

So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

[S~V~S]

@Bullz, we thought you might be NKing us because we were annoying you. But our roles allowed for open defense. And the more you killed us the more intentionally obnoxious it got.

[Bullzeye]

So did ours. Which was why the baddie strategy of NKing the people leading lynches on civvies baffled us Lol.

I genuinely don't understand how nobody else seemed to realise who you all were. If I'd been a civ I'd have suspected people for it. I was hoping I'd be able to plant doubts in your/TH's minds about people who were going after you so hard and that probably helped my death. But regardless, for all we knew it was just a matter of time before this very obvious 5-person civ-friendly team decided to go after the actual baddies, and we couldn't let that happen.

You weren't annoying us... Well not all of us... I found it quite funny actually that people seemed so oblivious. As I said earlier, the only person we really killed purely for being a Celestial was Splints. Golden was one of the initial names we threw out as potential Celestials, but we weren't sure. DP died more because if he'd been lynched his team would become trusted. TH seemed like he was coming after us.

[thellama73]

Here's your winner's badge, guys! Wear it with pride.

[Dom]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

[Marmot]

We weren't working for the baddies, we were horribly misguided though; i honestly believed BF to be bad, we ALL thought Sophie was bad, and several of us really thought you were bad. We tried to connect to them after the killed Splints. They blew us off and then killed TH. After that we lost our win, so we didn't give a crap.

Which to be honest is probably why I thought you were bad. I couldn't understand why a player with BTSC could continue to read civvies as baddies, and baddies as civvies.

The only reason I changed my mind was because I had the skull which could let me check a dead player, and I checked Golden, learning he was a Celestial. I then did a complete reread of him, and every player he did not suspect. Between the interactions with you and him, and his non-suspicions, I was able to confidently figure out who the other four Celestials were.

Then I was promptly NK'd.

[Long Con]

Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

OH! So, funny story here. I wanted the Celestials to steal the Ear Tubes that I stole from Liz Night 1. I figured I was going to be nightkilled very promptly for coming after Epig and getting him lynched, and I didn't want the Ear Tubes in baddie hands.

Unfortunately, I didn't know that I had stolen the Bottle from Epig's safe when I assumed Luke McKracken's role. It was unclear that Luke got to STEAL from the safe, it seemed like he just got to SEE what was in the Safe.

So when Llama told me my Bottle was stolen, I was like "What bottle??" Sorry if that was confusing, TH, I can't imagine what you guys must have thought I was trying to do.

[Long Con]

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

I might have won if I had waited just a day or two longer before bringing it up

Actually I was saying we should kill you the night we went with Rabbit (or maybe the night we killed TH). I think ultimately you only lived as long as you did because we hoped you'd go after SVS and get one or both of you lynched.

Why?
My instincts sucked this game.

You vouched for Canuck. We were annoyed with the amount people vouching for each other and wanted to eliminate anyone with btsc, regardless of how active their partner was.

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

It's not BS... you made yourself into a Confirmed Civvie, so you had to go. Basic Mafia logic. (I was following along at home at that point).

[Bullzeye]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

[Long Con]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

[DFaraday]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

This pretty much sums it up. The latter half of the game felt like a lot of people getting lynched because nobody came in and vouched for them. I feel like if we'd just done that from the beginning we could have won.

Great game, Llama!

[fingersplints]

Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

OH! So, funny story here. I wanted the Celestials to steal the Ear Tubes that I stole from Liz Night 1. I figured I was going to be nightkilled very promptly for coming after Epig and getting him lynched, and I didn't want the Ear Tubes in baddie hands.

Unfortunately, I didn't know that I had stolen the Bottle from Epig's safe when I assumed Luke McKracken's role. It was unclear that Luke got to STEAL from the safe, it seemed like he just got to SEE what was in the Safe.

So when Llama told me my Bottle was stolen, I was like "What bottle??" Sorry if that was confusing, TH, I can't imagine what you guys must have thought I was trying to do.

Yea we were very confused about the bottle. I think we thought for a while that you were trying to let us know that you were the civvie item stealer and had taken that from Epi.

The bottle was mostly useless until we had the idea to curse one of us with it in case we were silenced. I think the baddies ended up killing TH instead of silencing him, but if they had stuck to their routine of killing the celestial that they silenced the previous day, it would have allowed TH to post still like SVS was doing with the double curse.

What did you guys think of SVS buddha story?

[Turnip Head]

Hahaha, the fucking bottle! I was like... I don't want this!

[Long Con]

What did you guys think of SVS buddha story?

It was great, and as the game went on I became more and more suspicious that she was Legga. Damn, I wish I had Legga's power the night I got killed. But that night, I got the power to roleblock 2 people. I saw it as a great way to narrow down a couple of folk who were not killing, but I never thought to roleblock my own wife, which would have saved my life.

[S~V~S]

Defending =\= vouching.

I thought Rabbit was a civ, I did not KNOW. So how could I vouch, Bullz?

The fact that he was the only one building valid cases on you guys had no bearing on your decision to kill him?

[Long Con]

Hahaha, the fucking bottle! I was like... I don't want this!

But imagine it was Ear Tubes? You guys would have loved me!

[rabbit8]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

Damn it SVS. I thought me going after Bass Hard might get me off the hook for that NK I felt was coming.

Good game.

[Dom]

Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".

Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

I absolutely could have played that better and was not in a good frame of mind when I started my Canuck stuff-- there was better ways to do it. However, if we're saying I was killed for info-dropping, then where the hell was the SVS NK is all I'm saying.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed the endgame very much.

[Epignosis]

So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

Damn it SVS. I thought me going after Bass Hard might get me off the hook for that NK I felt was coming.

Good game.

We saw right through that act.