The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[timmer]

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

Linki: Timmer, how do we know Grodd has a higher movement rate than the (I assume average) movement rate of 1? If we have confirmed that, I'm just forgetting.

Wasn't he decoded to be a map-based killer? I'd have to look back to whoever decoded it, but I assume he'd have to have a movement rate a bit higher than 1 in that case, otherwise that would be a pretty rough role.

[Marmot]

But I've not even mentioned the Bass 1.0 thing. I think there's too much wifom there to make an argument either way.

If you know my play style, you'll know that you COULD make an argument using Bass 1.0, that I'm NOT bad. I mean, I'm not Dom. I'll ask ANYONE in this game, have you EVER even one time in ANY game ever seen me toss a possible teammate under the bus to build my own cred, when that teammate wasn't already going under? Yes, people occasionally shake up their game, but if you think I'm bad, you must then think I've disregarded EVERY aspect of my game and thrown caution to the wind and played radically different than ever before.

The case was not strong at all, and could have come from a player of any alignment.

I only recall one game where you were a baddie, and my team killed you before you were ever put in such a situation. (Film Director)

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

I guess it's possible, but I don't have any reason to think that, do you? The only New Rogue role that I think would make sense for Timmer to do this as is Plunder. Because otherwise, if Timmer is right about Bass, then Plunder potentially kills Timmer as revenge. High chance of backfiring.

[Marmot]

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

I guess it's possible, but I don't have any reason to think that, do you? The only New Rogue role that I think would make sense for Timmer to do this as is Plunder. Because otherwise, if Timmer is right about Bass, then Plunder potentially kills Timmer as revenge. High chance of backfiring.

Or the Top.

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

Linki: Timmer, how do we know Grodd has a higher movement rate than the (I assume average) movement rate of 1? If we have confirmed that, I'm just forgetting.

Wasn't he decoded to be a map-based killer? I'd have to look back to whoever decoded it, but I assume he'd have to have a movement rate a bit higher than 1 in that case, otherwise that would be a pretty rough role.

I don't remember this being discussed

[Turnip Head]

Ok, I dig that. Let me just play Devil's Advocate here: What if Timmer was just hoping he was wrong?

I guess it's possible, but I don't have any reason to think that, do you? The only New Rogue role that I think would make sense for Timmer to do this as is Plunder. Because otherwise, if Timmer is right about Bass, then Plunder potentially kills Timmer as revenge. High chance of backfiring.

Or the Top.

Timmer's playing with a lot of fire if he's the Top.

[Marmot]

Weird favor to ask. Can someone (LC?) update with all role secrets we've come up with so far? I'm working on them right now, and don't want to waste effort on any that are already uncovered.

[timmer]

Ok, so it's not Grodd that is controlling people's minds. It it the Secret Role, who I now expose as... The Top! dun dun dunnnnn.....

I solved Grodd's role:

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer and is immune to all mind control. Because of Grodd’s telepathic power, he will know where every player is and what they’re up to during the game.

So he's immune to mind control, but he doesn't control others. Looks like he gets a lot of map awareness, not sure what information is gained through knowing "what players are up to".

The Super Secret role (still some words missing):

The Top – He can spin…really fast. ~~~~~ ~~~~s targeted at him will be redirected to a random player. His spinning a~~~~~~es s~~e~~~ gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he can choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

So... the person Black Rock is looking for is The Top, aka the Super Secret Role, and not Grodd.

I wonder if Grodd's serial killer ability is map based? He knows where everyone is, and can come and hunt them down, maybe?

Anyways, disclaimer, any and all of my role solutions could be wrong, so it would be sensible for someone else to cross-check and verify my solutions to be more sure.

^Here is what I remember. It was Long Con who suggested Grodd could be a map-based killer.

[Marmot]

I did finish the Secret Role though.

????????????????? – He may spin… really fast. Night kills directed at him will be redirected at a random player. His spinning abilities somehow gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he may choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

[Turnip Head]

Ok, so it's not Grodd that is controlling people's minds. It it the Secret Role, who I now expose as... The Top! dun dun dunnnnn.....

I solved Grodd's role:

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer and is immune to all mind control. Because of Grodd’s telepathic power, he will know where every player is and what they’re up to during the game.

So he's immune to mind control, but he doesn't control others. Looks like he gets a lot of map awareness, not sure what information is gained through knowing "what players are up to".

The Super Secret role (still some words missing):

The Top – He can spin…really fast. ~~~~~ ~~~~s targeted at him will be redirected to a random player. His spinning a~~~~~~es s~~e~~~ gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he can choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

So... the person Black Rock is looking for is The Top, aka the Super Secret Role, and not Grodd.

I wonder if Grodd's serial killer ability is map based? He knows where everyone is, and can come and hunt them down, maybe?

Anyways, disclaimer, any and all of my role solutions could be wrong, so it would be sensible for someone else to cross-check and verify my solutions to be more sure.

^Here is what I remember. It was Long Con who suggested Grodd could be a map-based killer.

You connected a lot of dots from that though

[Marmot]

Murmur – If the targeted player targets another character during their next night, then the effect of the virus passes ~~~~ to him/her.

[Marmot]

Murmur – If the targeted player targets another character during their next night, then the effect of the virus passes onto to him/her.

[Marmot]

Girder – A man transformed into pure metal. Girder cannot be night ~~~~~~.

Should there be an E in the last word?

[Marmot]

Tar Pit – A Rogue whose body is composed of sticky, molten tar. Players who occupy the same location as Tar Pit cannot move to a new location to perform actions until he leaves.

[Marmot]

Confirmation of LC solving this one already.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked.

[Turnip Head]

Look who's trying to appear helpful.

[Marmot]

Look who's trying to appear helpful.

Sorry, was one of those your roles?

[Long Con]

Confirmation of LC solving this one already.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked.

I didn't post that solution. Where is your Confirmation coming from?

[Marmot]

Also, I'll put out Plunder's:

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked?lynched?.

From that, I've got Mirror Master's figured out, but I'll leave that to you guys to crunch, it won't be hard.

I confused you with timmer, LC.

[Tangrowth]

RAINBOW REZZ NOW???

[Turnip Head]

Tar Pit – A Rogue whose body is composed of sticky, molten tar. Players who occupy the same location as Tar Pit cannot move to a new location to perform actions until he leaves.

I didn't have this one but it sounds like people might want to cross reference this with their previous and future adventures.

[FZ.]

I completely forgot that Spacedaisy voted for MP too, after he self-voted. I'll count Sophie out since llama vouched for her. How often does it happen that we lynch a player who asks to be lynched, and they turn up bad?

And another question for you TH that I don't know if you've answered. What do you think timmer is aside from not New Rogue? I do think it is clear that he is not a Detective, so we've narrowed it down a little.

And I semi-apologize for hounding you. I'm making up for a week of not being able to mafia.

Linki: my curse was quite similar to BR's so I got the feeling that she was being honest.

What if she was the one who forced you, so she'd know exactly what to say? Not saying it's what happened, I just don't get how you're ruling it out

[FZ.]

Do the new rogues have an ability to check dead players?

[Marmot]

Tar Pit – A Rogue whose body is composed of sticky, molten tar. Players who occupy the same location as Tar Pit cannot move to a new location to perform actions until he leaves.

I didn't have this one but it sounds like people might want to cross reference this with their previous and future adventures.

I can't remmeber who it was, but I remember somebody mentioning some BTSC map partner "wandering off to look for someone else". I can't remember who it was.

Linki: Well I won't rule it out then FZ. But I've felt good about BR thus far, and like the list that she made.

Linki 2: @FZ. Not that I've discovered. Only the Detectives I think.

[FZ.]

So if this Plunder dies, he has to gamble on who he wants to appear as?

[Long Con]

"This Plunder"? You speak as though you only just heard of him.

[Marmot]

So if this Plunder dies, he has to gamble on who he wants to appear as?

I guess so, and even then, only if he is nightkilled.

[Marmot]

I was laughing at LC's comment. linkitis life.

[Sophie]

Great work on the secrets, MM!

And great avatar, mp! Lol

[Tangrowth]

Great work on the secrets, MM!

And great avatar, mp! Lol

[Tangrowth]

THE RAINBOW SOCKMAN WILL RETURN

[Marmot]

Great work on the secrets, MM!

And great avatar, mp! Lol

Thanks Sophie. I hope you can be more active in coming days.

Linki: Give us more than one night phase won't you? :P

[Tangrowth]

No.

[Mister Rearranger]

Night 5 - Red Sky At Morning...



A calm breeze blew across the Missouri River as the small city of Keystone slept quietly in their beds.

Wally West was pulling a late night though. He had a mission to accomplish, a dastardly criminal to remove from the streets.

He was about to leave his home when he realized he couldn't even open his door. There was a strong gust of wind suddenly focused at his home.

Throughout Kansas, a dramatic downpour began, with lightning illuminating the pitch-black clouds periodically.

Nobody would be walking the streets of Keystone or Central Cities tonight, be their intentions good or evil.


It is now Day 6. You have 48 hours to step out into the sunshine and dry yourselves off! Oh...and also lynch somebody, I guess...

[Mister Rearranger]

Bass 2.0
0
No votes
Black Rock
0
No votes
Devin the Omniscient
0
No votes
FZ.
0
No votes
Long Con
0
No votes
DREAM
0
No votes
MetalMarsh89
0
No votes
Rabbit8
0
No votes
MovingPictures
6
timmer (5), FZ. (6), MovingPictures07 (9), Sophie (10), Spacedaisy (11), Turnip Head (14) 40%
Soniji
0
No votes
Sophie
0
No votes
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
S~V~S
0
No votes
Llama
0
No votes
Timmer
6
S~V~S (4), Black Rock (7), Metalmarsh89 (8), Devin the Omniscient (12), thellama73 (13), Long Con (15) 40%
Turnip Head
0
No votes
It Was An Accident (Host, Mod, Nons)
3
Mister Rearranger (1), Roxy (2), Epignosis (3)

[Long Con]

Weather Wizard – Nature’s fury in the form of a disgruntled, wand-wielding father. Once per game (each), he can force the day to end early and the night to end early.

I believe that explains that. But that was only a little bit early, so did ANY powers go through? Perhaps Llama can let us know if a successful role check happened. Anyways, no kills is better than me-killed, so thanks, Weather Wizard!

[Turnip Head]

Nice job, Wiz!

[Turnip Head]

I had a DREAM last night that somebody should talk more.

[Long Con]

I begin the day with S~V~S in my sights. She is avoiding responding to my posts, and is pretending that she's reading the content, but is clearly not. I'll park a vote there now to get things rolling.

And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

My post was a couple of things. It was an explanation of a suspicion and a compliment. It was a promise. It was a defense. At the bottom, it was a humourous observation.

What it was not was a case. I'm VERY interested in how you read this post and say that it's just "wrong", and how you could call it a case.

You didn't read it, you're just paying it lip service. You obviously have something going on besides actually reading the thread completely, but to react so dishonestly is seriously suspicious. You could have said "LC, I've been so busy, I need to go back and really read your post", but you didn't. I was actually not too invested in the idea that you are the Top, but I'm pretty damn sure now that you are bad. Like the lynch of Bass 1.0, behaviour is very revealing, and you are undeniably trying to be deceptive with me.

Here's my post, for the record.

Because I'm acting like a total yutz this game, and people who know better say I'm the baddie? I think I did one good thing this game, I will find out end game (maybe 2) but for the most part, i have sucked. Timmer has been poking at me since he subbed in, LC has been insinuating in my direction (and insinuating LC is bad LC, imo) most of the game, and then MP comes in and says things that he knows will get my Irish up, and basically says, "This is how *I* am interpreting the game. If you don't like it, lynch me". Awesome.

I think you're looking at my suspicion of you in the entirely wrong way. It is nothing but a compliment that I suspect you first of this, I think you're clever enough to put a plan like this in motion, that's all. Between that, and the fact that the "participants" in this plot are all people you are close to as longtime Mafia friends, I think you owe me at least an acknowledgement that it's not unusual that I am looking in your direction.

I also think it was an overreaction to a temporary vote. But I'mma let that slide because you have had a stressful weekend. I promise I never have, and never will, attempt to use your life complications as a Mafia strategy - I swear the timing of it was unrelated.

I just want to address "insinuating in your direction" as well. I'm trying to think of what you mean by that. I can only recall mentioning you once before, when I was suspecting Roxy, Bass 2.0, Aces, and you of some nefarious dealings. Well, it turns out Aces was pretty bad, Roxy and Bass are possibly good, possibly not. I don't think that I was insinuating in your direction, you were just someone who was part of a group of people that had sketchy-looking stuff going on (namely, Roxy's vouch for Aces, Bass' vouches, etc). I'm fine with "insinuating LC is bad LC", whether that's true or not, because I don't think I've been particularly "insinuating" in this game.

We did not get a role reveal on Roxy. I would prefer to have some control over my contribution to the game in this way. I would rather by lynched today than NKed tonight. So then even though I have sucked seriously as a civvie (yes, MP, I said the "C" word), my death will have some value this way. If someone I actually suspect looks to be lynched, I will consider changing my vote that way.

Dude, this is so bullz' shtick. Come on, you know this.

[S~V~S]

You're very seriously wrong.

[Long Con]

You're very seriously wrong.

Yeah, no matter what I say, that's the only response you have to give.

[S~V~S]

For whomever asked yesterday about my thoughts on Sophie, it was TH I believe, I had some very distinct thoughts on her. She felt floundery but civ, based on both things in and out of thread. But her vote yesterday was disturbing to me. Which is why I asked her that question ^^ (Note to self: Sherry, learn to think before hitting "Submit", you may have more to say) because I would have expected her to have done something different on a short read of the thread.

And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

You can craft an amazing post that takes you weeks to write, but if it says what yours did, it would be wrong, and that is the salient point as far as I am concerned. I can do a point by point for you later (overslept this AM, only tiny online time before work, and now that I am driving again, no bus leisure time, either, anymore)

I am assuming Bass was silenced yesterday since I know he was on site and did not post here. I look forward to hearing his take on this lynch. TH is defending Timmer verging on Cap't Obvious territory, which gives me some pause. Don't know why he would do such a thing while bad, but based on my worldview of this game, can't see how else that would work. I have detectives in mind, I have a CC/HW in mind. so... urh.

Actually it isn't all I say surprisingly enough! I said this just this morning

Still at work. But tbh, you're right in that my reply tonight will essentially just say, "you're wrong". Cause, you know, you are.

[Turnip Head]

What would you have expected Sophie to do differently yesterday, SVS?

[FZ.]

Cool!
@HOST does the story mean that other than llama, no one tried to kill tonight?

[Long Con]

For whomever asked yesterday about my thoughts on Sophie, it was TH I believe, I had some very distinct thoughts on her. She felt floundery but civ, based on both things in and out of thread. But her vote yesterday was disturbing to me. Which is why I asked her that question ^^ (Note to self: Sherry, learn to think before hitting "Submit", you may have more to say) because I would have expected her to have done something different on a short read of the thread.

And LC, I read your whole post & your whole case. It was lovely but it was still wrong

You can craft an amazing post that takes you weeks to write, but if it says what yours did, it would be wrong, and that is the salient point as far as I am concerned. I can do a point by point for you later (overslept this AM, only tiny online time before work, and now that I am driving again, no bus leisure time, either, anymore)

I am assuming Bass was silenced yesterday since I know he was on site and did not post here. I look forward to hearing his take on this lynch. TH is defending Timmer verging on Cap't Obvious territory, which gives me some pause. Don't know why he would do such a thing while bad, but based on my worldview of this game, can't see how else that would work. I have detectives in mind, I have a CC/HW in mind. so... urh.

Actually it isn't all I say surprisingly enough! I said this just this morning

Still at work. But tbh, you're right in that my reply tonight will essentially just say, "you're wrong". Cause, you know, you are.

Nope!

[thellama73]

I'll just say that my team sent in all of our PMs.

[Black Rock]

Did anyone get a movement PM?

[Epignosis]

Did anyone get a movement PM?

I had a movement BM.

[S~V~S]

You can't make this shit up. Seriously. My brother had a car accident, he is OK, in the hospital for observation, but his car is totalled. My Dad & other brother are already there, but I gotta go. Sorry LC, totally not dissing you I will try to be back later, but not sure. I am gonna vote me for now becasue everything is just a fail.

[Black Rock]

You can't make this shit up. Seriously. My brother had a car accident, he is OK, in the hospital for observation, but his car is totalled. My Dad & other brother are already there, but I gotta go. Sorry LC, totally not dissing you I will try to be back later, but not sure. I am gonna vote me for now becasue everything is just a fail.

That's awful news, hope everything is ok.