Biblical Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Lunatella]

The difference is that Uzziah's focus on Job is revenge, for lack of a better term.

Uzziah was first to go after Job. He went as far as to tell Paul on the first day that he caught a baddie for him, or even 2-3, and the first one was Job. So why would he revenge Job?

But I agree that focusing on Uzziah alone makes me doubt Job more. I get that he's still pushing for Uzziah's lynch, especially after watching him escape every lynch and being sure he should be lynched. But you can both do that, and still say what you think of other players as well.

Job, can you please come in and give us some thoughts other than Uzziah?

Ballam, sorry to hear about your allergies. I know how you feel, so I hope the pills help, because they never help me

Fwiw this is a lie. I went after uzziah first and he tried to act like he was fishing for reactions with his rooting for scum post.

[Celeste]

Got some comments but first off

Rachel, if I were a baddie, I'd make sure to post enough to not be considered laying low, so Job not being here yet, means nothing. He can come in at any minute.

What is the meaning of this Jep. First half of the sentence has nothing to do with the second half so you have me wondering why throw it in at all? Subtly make us think ye aren't a baddie?

[Celeste]

Which players does everyone want to talk about?

Having skimmed the thread and since some players are hardly participating (again, including myself), I'm still a bit fuzzy on most players, so is anyone here right now that can discuss the game in real time?

I'm here brother! I want to talk about Jep's post. I also remember suspecting Rahab yesterday but I'm trying to decide if I'm still feeling it.

Literally, what is the deal with about half of the players right now? It's like no one is trying to win this game.

Easy my good man let he who is blameless cast the first stone. Im part of the problem myself but you're right if we dont talk we are handing this game to the heathens. We are making it too easy for them to pick us off like flies on their unrepentant backs.
I dont want to talk about Job and Uzziah much if you must know. because I have an idea about what might be going on between them. From some things that happened to me I get the feeling their feud with each other is not of their own making. they could have been turned upon one another by other forces
I take issue with the logic that their feud means one of them must be bad, that logic doesnt fly in this game or any mafia game. they could both be wrong about each other it happens all the time even if there feud is legit. you have to give a reason to suspect someone because it cant just be that they suspect each other. I cant remember who said this but i dont agree with it.
other than that Im afraid I dont have much to talk about, we need more chatter and we can draw out the unrepentant

[Celeste]

I think at least Job is bad and I have a neutral read on Uzz.

Why have you changed your opinion on him? Why, if you previously thought him to be bad, have you continually found reason not to vote him?

think about it for a second Joby. the longer they let you two drag this out the easier they can go "Well we need to lynch one of them" "Oh one of them must be bad". They are loving this my fellow sinner. And if you keep it up the game only gets easier for them. thats if youre wrong. but we must discuss other matters as well

[Grand Scheme]

Sorry for my absence today, a friend called and needed some help with a project that took way too long

[Celeste]

I miss Paul
Paul for Prez 2016

[dodo]

Let's see... You complain about me hounding on no one but uzziah. But then all you've been talking about for days is me. Then you express the same frustration I am facing, that literally no one is listening and will vote someone else in the end because no one is invested or cares. But yet you don't understand what you're experiencing is exactly what I am facing.

Wisdom about other players? I think Rachel is bad. I think it is ridiculous the ruse she is fronting. But honestly she's right, I just don't care enough. I fought my heart out for a solid day to convince people to vote uzziah and you numbskulls lynch a silenced person.

LOL Job. You're gonna be embarrassed by how wrong you are.

First, let's tackle the idea that I have only talked about you. Here is a list of posts I have made that have NOT addressed you since I announced my suspicion of you on Day 2:
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 27#p139927
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p140190
3. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p140221
4. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 49#p140349
5. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p140351
6. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p140352
7. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p140363
8. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p140366
9. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p140872
10. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140887
11. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 32#p140932
12. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p140946
13. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p140950
14. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p141143
15. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p141148
16. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p141153
17. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p141252
18. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p141301
19. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p141303
20. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p141372
That was after a quick skim of my own posts. I found 20 posts where I talk about something other than you, Job. That's more than what some people have posted the entire game. But let's compare that to your own record, eh?
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140287
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p140314
Going back to a similar point in the game, you have made TWO posts where you don't mention Uzziah. One is saying RIP Paul and the other is saying you'll be away. But Hey! We're doing the same thing, right?

Now you try and convince me to stop suspecting you by trying to equate our experiences in pursuing our suspects. Except... I actively posted for the entire game (minus real time ONE day where I was extremely ill) while you have not. Whatever your reasons may be, you have not. You are trying to get me to empathize with you to avoid suspicion. However, this doesn't work because in the very next bit, you suddenly suspect me. You have yet to express suspicion of me, but suddenly "Rachel is bad." Reason given:"The ruse am fronting". Bull.
Now Job says he really doesn't care because on the day HE wanted to lynch Uzziah (for reasons that are so superficial and banal they don't even deserve mention) "we" lynched Cain. Many people did not vote Cain-- I did not. I voted for Job.


So, please, Job, if you're going to make a post against me, do some basic research because that was a load of malarkey.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE:

I think at least Job is bad and I have a neutral read on Uzz.

Why have you changed your opinion on him? Why, if you previously thought him to be bad, have you continually found reason not to vote him?

What do you even mean?
I have not suspected Uzziah all game.

[dodo]

I miss Paul
Paul for Prez 2016

You could start talking about relevant things like Paul would have wanted you to unlike what you're doing right now.

[dodo]

Jonah, forgive me, linkitis did not tell me about your posts. I am an ass.

[dodo]

Which players does everyone want to talk about?

Having skimmed the thread and since some players are hardly participating (again, including myself), I'm still a bit fuzzy on most players, so is anyone here right now that can discuss the game in real time?

I'm here brother! I want to talk about Jep's post. I also remember suspecting Rahab yesterday but I'm trying to decide if I'm still feeling it.

Literally, what is the deal with about half of the players right now? It's like no one is trying to win this game.

Easy my good man let he who is blameless cast the first stone. Im part of the problem myself but you're right if we dont talk we are handing this game to the heathens. We are making it too easy for them to pick us off like flies on their unrepentant backs.
I dont want to talk about Job and Uzziah much if you must know. because I have an idea about what might be going on between them. From some things that happened to me I get the feeling their feud with each other is not of their own making. they could have been turned upon one another by other forces
I take issue with the logic that their feud means one of them must be bad, that logic doesnt fly in this game or any mafia game. they could both be wrong about each other it happens all the time even if there feud is legit. you have to give a reason to suspect someone because it cant just be that they suspect each other. I cant remember who said this but i dont agree with it.
other than that Im afraid I dont have much to talk about, we need more chatter and we can draw out the unrepentant

Jonah, my case (nor Paul's), is not predicated on logic that one of Uzz/Job must be bad. It is predicated on suspicion of Job independently of Uzziah.

[Celeste]

Jonah, forgive me, linkitis did not tell me about your posts. I am an ass.

All is forgiven Rach and

Which players does everyone want to talk about?

Having skimmed the thread and since some players are hardly participating (again, including myself), I'm still a bit fuzzy on most players, so is anyone here right now that can discuss the game in real time?

I'm here brother! I want to talk about Jep's post. I also remember suspecting Rahab yesterday but I'm trying to decide if I'm still feeling it.

Literally, what is the deal with about half of the players right now? It's like no one is trying to win this game.

Easy my good man let he who is blameless cast the first stone. Im part of the problem myself but you're right if we dont talk we are handing this game to the heathens. We are making it too easy for them to pick us off like flies on their unrepentant backs.
I dont want to talk about Job and Uzziah much if you must know. because I have an idea about what might be going on between them. From some things that happened to me I get the feeling their feud with each other is not of their own making. they could have been turned upon one another by other forces
I take issue with the logic that their feud means one of them must be bad, that logic doesnt fly in this game or any mafia game. they could both be wrong about each other it happens all the time even if there feud is legit. you have to give a reason to suspect someone because it cant just be that they suspect each other. I cant remember who said this but i dont agree with it.
other than that Im afraid I dont have much to talk about, we need more chatter and we can draw out the unrepentant

Jonah, my case (nor Paul's), is not predicated on logic that one of Uzz/Job must be bad. It is predicated on suspicion of Job independently of Uzziah.

yeah Im starting to see that. you make a good point about Mr. Job mischaracterizing your play. though you went to extraordinary lengths to belabor that fact.

[Celeste]

And Rachel you have to admit ye miss poor Pauly too
He was cut down in his prime

[Quokka]

Hey everyone. I'm so sorry, life has been kicking my tail. However, I have a very important question regarding the last lynch. Did anyone change anything up at vote wise at the last minute of the day period?

I'm not going to try to do a read through of everything I missed, basically if I try to consider it, I will become too discouraged and never play again. Instead I want to use what little I do know to suss out information. So again, can anyone tell me if someone changed things up at the end of the day period kind of out of left field?

[Saito]

Same here (about being busy, I'm not sure what the rest means) ^. I will only have the time to catch up tomorrow, I'm afraid. My life is busy, there's no way around it.

[Celeste]

Same here (about being busy, I'm not sure what the rest means) ^. I will only have the time to catch up tomorrow, I'm afraid. My life is busy, there's no way around it.

you have sewn much but harvested little and the Lord of hosts says to consider your ways Deb. Please help us out whenever you can, we must spread his Word together. before its too late deborah! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE DEBORAH!!

[Echo]

I too have been crazy busy! Things are pretty hectic at work, pretty much everyone has to do overtime in five shifts to finish this big project for the new client or we'll all get fired. Oh well. As if that wasn't enough, yesterday at lunch the bicycle had a puncture so I ended up driving the kids to basketball (the younger one doesn't currently have shoes) and didn't get back until morning because of the snow. Finally when I was about to get some sleep and catch up after the dog ate the hard drive! I'm trying to remain positive but things are just piling up and up and honestly I don't know how I'll make it. Hopefully I can be more active next week, but this time I ended up randomizing and got Job.

[Celeste]

I love it Uzzy
Your brand of satire has not been respected for the genius that it is
Do you suspect anyone other than Job
I mean even God hated Job

[Echo]

I'm uncertain about Absalom and Pilate, but when Job turns out bad I'd probably rather look at those who haven't yet been talked about.

[Ned Flanders]

Burning questions on my mind:
- Is Job bad? If so, it might clear Uzziah and Rachel. If Job is good, then those two look possibly worse.
- What happened to Job? Why is he posting less? Why less attempts to solve the game?
- What happened to Lot? Same question.
- Paul brought up something interesting, which I noticed again when Rachel quoted his posts... Many players expressed suspicion of Ruth early in the game, even declaring intentions to vote her, yet that has disappeared COMPLETELY. Meanwhile, Ruth has hardly participated. Why is no one talking about her now?

Literally, what is the deal with about half of the players right now? It's like no one is trying to win this game.

You're right; I have hardly participated. Neither have several others; I noted at least 2 or 3 posts between this one of yours, and this one I am posting from others saying "life=busy".

And in my case, yeah. I had every intention to be more active after I last posted, then life kinda bit me in the ass. I look forward to a nice quiet non-dramatic weekend to catch up here.

What specifically about what Paul said would you like to discuss?

What are your thoughts on Job/Uzziah? I am coming down pro-Job.

[dodo]

Hey everyone. I'm so sorry, life has been kicking my tail. However, I have a very important question regarding the last lynch. Did anyone change anything up at vote wise at the last minute of the day period?

I'm not going to try to do a read through of everything I missed, basically if I try to consider it, I will become too discouraged and never play again. Instead I want to use what little I do know to suss out information. So again, can anyone tell me if someone changed things up at the end of the day period kind of out of left field?

You can't change your vote...
Also, the Mary Magedeline case was very sudden and took shape without much warning.

Burning questions on my mind:
- Is Job bad? If so, it might clear Uzziah and Rachel. If Job is good, then those two look possibly worse.
- What happened to Job? Why is he posting less? Why less attempts to solve the game?
- What happened to Lot? Same question.
- Paul brought up something interesting, which I noticed again when Rachel quoted his posts... Many players expressed suspicion of Ruth early in the game, even declaring intentions to vote her, yet that has disappeared COMPLETELY. Meanwhile, Ruth has hardly participated. Why is no one talking about her now?

Literally, what is the deal with about half of the players right now? It's like no one is trying to win this game.

You're right; I have hardly participated. Neither have several others; I noted at least 2 or 3 posts between this one of yours, and this one I am posting from others saying "life=busy".

And in my case, yeah. I had every intention to be more active after I last posted, then life kinda bit me in the ass. I look forward to a nice quiet non-dramatic weekend to catch up here.

What specifically about what Paul said would you like to discuss?

What are your thoughts on Job/Uzziah? I am coming down pro-Job.

Why? Do you have reasons? Or what? Did you read the thread?

See, this is why we aren't lynching heathens. Or horsemen...

[MartinWP69]

I'm not sure why Ruth thinks Job is town either; I'm curious to hear an explanation.

What are people talking about with Job and Uzziah's behavior being forced? I'm confused on that.

Job seems wolfy to me because he doesn't care about anything other than Uzziah anymore, making his previous attempts to solve the game seem very fake. But would a wolf be that obvious?

[NurseWilgy]

Well, I see that everyone has been as busy as I am, which makes for an easy catch-up, but may not be ideal for baddie hunting.

Rachel, I see your case on Job. I understand it. I don't agree with it. I am not getting baddie vibes from Job.
I also see the case on Rachel having contradicted herself. I don't think she's bad either.
I am a little suspicious of Uzziah for narrowly avoiding lynches day after day. Smells a little fishy to me, but...
I'm going to have to give my vote to Balaam today. Here's why:

1. His lists, while they have become more helpful, initially read to me as a way of saying "look at me! I'm helping! I must be good because I am helping!"
2. His comment about the Heathens having the game all sewed up, besides being untrue, felt a little like wishful thinking on his part.
3. My gut is just screaming at me to vote for him, and I like to listen to me gut.

I'll hold off on actually voting to see if anything else comes up today, but thta is probably what I will do.

[Prisoner 509378]

Here's my problem. The is the THIRD time I've resummarized the case. Third time. People either don't care or don't remember. Job is probably laying low enough that people just forget. I'm getting annoyed because I am trying to garner discussion on someone I think is bad and everyone else seems more concerned with voting out "weird" players like Mary Magdeline and Pilate.

If you want my original words, go through the posts yourself. There's a handy page for that at the front of the thread.

Can you quote it for me? Idk if I'm allowed to say this but I'm technically Isaac2.0

I can resummarize it.


Job perseverated on the fact that Paul was not posting on Day 2. This read to me as a baddie who really wanted to draw attention to their work. However, in retrospect, I think Job may have been trying to seem civvie by being completely irrelevant in this post. He also has not let go of the extremely weak Uzzaiah suspicion based on zany Day 1 Antics. He repeats he does not have tunnel vision, but has done literally nothing but discuss Uzzaiah. I can pull Paul's case too, if you'd like.

Personally, this is the weakest part of your argument against Job. Job was only the second person to comment on Paul's absence. Job's post came a few hours after Jeph's comment (the first one regarding Paul). I understand that you were suspicious of Job Day 1, but you never satisfactorily explained to me why Job's "Where's Paul?" post is any more suspicious than Jonathan's "Where's Paul?" post that came just 15 or so minutes after Job's post. If it's just because you already suspected Job, then I think you've got blinders on regarding the "Where's Paul" post issue. Look at them again and isolate those posts against any prior suspicions. Does that series of "Where's Paul?" posts look intrinsically suspicious at all? Which ones and why?

Otherwise, your argument against Job's tunnel vision and unwillingness to help is totally legit. My problem is that I have a theory on how Job might be civvie. Granted, I also have a theory that Job and Uzziah could be baddie teammates and they successfully manufactured chasm-like distance between each other. Seriously- if we plan to stone one of the two and the first one comes up baddie, how likely are we to follow up with stoning the second one?

My thoughts are that Pilate is playing very oddly. It seems like he could be a new player almost, but then he said this:

I'm shocked that I don't have more suspicion by now. So this is the life of an unforgivably low poster.

That statement makes me think he is a seasoned player who usually posts much more than he has this game. Pilate is probably my #1 suspicion right now.

My next two suspicions are Uzziah and Job. I hate to see the back and forth continue on between then just because we are all confused on which of the two to lynch. I think one of them is most likely bad, I just can't put my finger on which. I have voted for Job previously, but reading back I am thinking Uzziah might be the one that needs to go.

linki: Well, apparently Rachel is NOT confused and thinks its Job that is bad between the two. And, fwiw, I think Rachel is good So maybe I should trust her.

I've been analyzing post volume and vote patterns and the data on Pilate honestly makes him look like just a slackass instead of a nefarious sneaky sneak. He's only barely a half step above Barnabas, Judah, Samuel, and Stephen (until recently), who appear to be total slackasses.

And yet, one could argue that Job is Rachel's Uzziah, could they not? For all the complaining some have made about one or two topics dominating the day, no one but Job seems to call Rachel out on her fixation. Granted, her suspicion is based on much more concrete evidence but she's almost got tunnel vision on the matter just like Job does.

Hey everyone. I'm so sorry, life has been kicking my tail. However, I have a very important question regarding the last lynch. Did anyone change anything up at vote wise at the last minute of the day period?

I'm not going to try to do a read through of everything I missed, basically if I try to consider it, I will become too discouraged and never play again. Instead I want to use what little I do know to suss out information. So again, can anyone tell me if someone changed things up at the end of the day period kind of out of left field?

Yes, something totally unexpected happened in the last 15 minutes of the day period. It's just too traumatizing to relive- you'll have to read it for yourself.

Same here (about being busy, I'm not sure what the rest means) ^. I will only have the time to catch up tomorrow, I'm afraid. My life is busy, there's no way around it.

You know, Debbie, it seems like every day you say you're going to catch up. But you never do.

I too have been crazy busy! Things are pretty hectic at work, pretty much everyone has to do overtime in five shifts to finish this big project for the new client or we'll all get fired. Oh well. As if that wasn't enough, yesterday at lunch the bicycle had a puncture so I ended up driving the kids to basketball (the younger one doesn't currently have shoes) and didn't get back until morning because of the snow. Finally when I was about to get some sleep and catch up after the dog ate the hard drive! I'm trying to remain positive but things are just piling up and up and honestly I don't know how I'll make it. Hopefully I can be more active next week, but this time I ended up randomizing and got Job.

HEY BABY RUTH! Answer my f**king question finally, would you?

Had I been able to vote, I probably would have voted Uzziah.

Can you explain what this means? Were you silenced and simply did not vote because you weren't caught up, or were you not allowed to vote Day 2? You've ducked my question twice now. Ignoring it this time is a bad idea.

Also, the Mary Magedeline case was very sudden and took shape without much warning.

My ass it was sudden! Maybe if he'd go back and read what actually happened instead of asking for others to do the work for him he'd have a clearer picture of things.

Well, I see that everyone has been as busy as I am, which makes for an easy catch-up, but may not be ideal for baddie hunting.

Rachel, I see your case on Job. I understand it. I don't agree with it. I am not getting baddie vibes from Job.
I also see the case on Rachel having contradicted herself. I don't think she's bad either.
I am a little suspicious of Uzziah for narrowly avoiding lynches day after day. Smells a little fishy to me, but...
I'm going to have to give my vote to Balaam today. Here's why:

1. His lists, while they have become more helpful, initially read to me as a way of saying "look at me! I'm helping! I must be good because I am helping!"
2. His comment about the Heathens having the game all sewed up, besides being untrue, felt a little like wishful thinking on his part.
3. My gut is just screaming at me to vote for him, and I like to listen to me gut.

I'll hold off on actually voting to see if anything else comes up today, but thta is probably what I will do.

I'll ask the question again, Absalom- is there anything you want to hear from me that might help ease your mind about me? Fire away- I'll answer any question you like. I'd much rather be voted for due to concrete evidence than for tone reads and gut intuitions, neither of which have proven to be very successful thus far.

[NurseWilgy]

I'll ask the question again, Absalom- is there anything you want to hear from me that might help ease your mind about me? Fire away- I'll answer any question you like. I'd much rather be voted for due to concrete evidence than for tone reads and gut intuitions, neither of which have proven to be very successful thus far.

I'm sure you see the problem. If I said "Balaam, old buddy, if you say X I'll believe you're good" and then you say X, it proves nothing, because anyone can say what they are told to say regardless of alignment. It's an impossible request that seems to make you look reasonable, and make me look unreasonable by failing to comply with it. Very cleverly crafted, but in fact that question makes me feel worse about you.

[Prisoner 509378]

I'll ask the question again, Absalom- is there anything you want to hear from me that might help ease your mind about me? Fire away- I'll answer any question you like. I'd much rather be voted for due to concrete evidence than for tone reads and gut intuitions, neither of which have proven to be very successful thus far.

I'm sure you see the problem. If I said "Balaam, old buddy, if you say X I'll believe you're good" and then you say X, it proves nothing, because anyone can say what they are told to say regardless of alignment. It's an impossible request that seems to make you look reasonable, and make me look unreasonable by failing to comply with it. Very cleverly crafted, but in fact that question makes me feel worse about you.

Fine, I'll simplify the question so you don't end up over-analyzing it: Hey Absalom, got any questions for me? Fire away- I'll answer anything. I've got nothing to hide.

[NurseWilgy]

I'll ask the question again, Absalom- is there anything you want to hear from me that might help ease your mind about me? Fire away- I'll answer any question you like. I'd much rather be voted for due to concrete evidence than for tone reads and gut intuitions, neither of which have proven to be very successful thus far.

I'm sure you see the problem. If I said "Balaam, old buddy, if you say X I'll believe you're good" and then you say X, it proves nothing, because anyone can say what they are told to say regardless of alignment. It's an impossible request that seems to make you look reasonable, and make me look unreasonable by failing to comply with it. Very cleverly crafted, but in fact that question makes me feel worse about you.

Fine, I'll simplify the question so you don't end up over-analyzing it: Hey Absalom, got any questions for me? Fire away- I'll answer anything. I've got nothing to hide.

Are you bad?

[Prisoner 509378]

Are you bad?

I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.

[Young Lady]

Oh Lord I clicked on both links (in Balaam's post), like a total idiot.

Apologies for not posting more that a recap yesterday, I didn't have time for more than that, and apologies in advance for what will probably be a tight deadline activity from me today as well. I have work to do in the next hours and I estimate I'll be able to come back around three hours or so before the deadline. To be perfectly honest, I'm also a bit disillusioned that we're reaching the end of Day 4 and the hot topics are once again "Job vs Uzziah", plus "low posters posted / voted in a fishy way".

Regarding the former, I'll try to do a full re-read of Job and decide how I feel about him, but as far as Uzziah goes, apart from his Day 1 (rather sudden, imo) change of tone, when he "offered" two "scum" reads, he has since done nothing but banter with Job and others and not post anything helpful, constructive and baddie-hunt-oriented. Unfortunately, that still cannot make me fully tell if he's a rogue, ignorant civ or a snickering baddie. I'm not in good position after yesterday's vote, but if the Day will end and the majority will wish to get rid of Uzziah, I won't really have anything against it - although that really isn't the best mentality and I'll still do my best to find a good vote option.

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

Regarding the latter, in particular Pilate's posts, I can't fully understand the nature of his posts, but it's either a purely defiant attitude from him or, and I've brought this up (but I notice nobody reflecting on it), something that he's forced to pursue. However, if it's the second, it should mostly reflect only his odd vote, not his odd attitude in general. On the other hand, I saw Esther and Isaac pick him right away as their potential lynch candidate, to which I have to ask what certainty do they have that Pilate is bad for arguably doing the same thing Mary did, given that lynching Mary was a screw up?


From Absalom's case on Balaam, I can't comment on his gut feeling, but I would only lightly subscribe to his point #2, in that it's a bit early and odd to state that we're doomed to lose this game to the Heathens in around two more phases or so. Not sure, though, if it's enough to say Balaam is intentionally discouraging us. It could easily be the kind of disillusionment about how things are going that I myself have expressed above. Besides, in his last post he addressed more issues, brought up more angles, questioned more players, which sounds good to me.

[Paul Stevens]

Oh Lord I clicked on both links (in Balaam's post), like a total idiot.

Regarding the latter, in particular Pilate's posts, I can't fully understand the nature of his posts, but it's either a purely defiant attitude from him or, and I've brought this up (but I notice nobody reflecting on it), something that he's forced to pursue. However, if it's the second, it should mostly reflect only his odd vote, not his odd attitude in general. On the other hand, I saw Esther and Isaac pick him right away as their potential lynch candidate, to which I have to ask what certainty do they have that Pilate is bad for arguably doing the same thing Mary did, given that lynching Mary was a screw up?

From Absalom's case on Balaam, I can't comment on his gut feeling, but I would only lightly subscribe to his point #2, in that it's a bit early and odd to state that we're doomed to lose this game to the Heathens in around two more phases or so. Not sure, though, if it's enough to say Balaam is intentionally discouraging us. It could easily be the kind of disillusionment about how things are going that I myself have expressed above. Besides, in his last post he addressed more issues, brought up more angles, questioned more players, which sounds good to me.

I did too. I also didn't have headphones plugged in, so others heard my shame

I simply didn't like the way Pilate voted or the substance of his posts during and after his vote. I even stated so (albeit sarcastically) in the same post.

I can't really help much with the Absalom and Balaam "cases." I'm still feeling pretty good about Absalom, and I've felt good about Balaam from the beginning. I acknowledge the possibility that he could be a very good manipulator, though, and will keep my guard up.

[NurseWilgy]

Are you bad?

I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.

I notice you didn't say "no".

[Prisoner 509378]

Oh Lord I clicked on both links (in Balaam's post), like a total idiot.

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there, perhaps?

Regarding the latter, in particular Pilate's posts, I can't fully understand the nature of his posts, but it's either a purely defiant attitude from him or, and I've brought this up (but I notice nobody reflecting on it), something that he's forced to pursue. However, if it's the second, it should mostly reflect only his odd vote, not his odd attitude in general. On the other hand, I saw Esther and Isaac pick him right away as their potential lynch candidate, to which I have to ask what certainty do they have that Pilate is bad for arguably doing the same thing Mary did, given that lynching Mary was a screw up?

A number of players have been a little ADHD with their suspicions. Reminds me of the dog from Up. Squirrel!

From Absalom's case on Balaam, I can't comment on his gut feeling, but I would only lightly subscribe to his point #2, in that it's a bit early and odd to state that we're doomed to lose this game to the Heathens in around two more phases or so. Not sure, though, if it's enough to say Balaam is intentionally discouraging us. It could easily be the kind of disillusionment about how things are going that I myself have expressed above. Besides, in his last post he addressed more issues, brought up more angles, questioned more players, which sounds good to me.

I'm not intentionally trying discourage people. I'm just trying to emphasize how important and dire our situation may be at this time. Like I said before, I assume the worst possible odds and go from there. Right now the worst case scenario is still 9 baddies and 18 civvies. If it were 18 v. 9 (aka 1 big baddie team), I'd probably be even worse than I already am. The reality is that it's 18 v. 5 v. 4 and we can hope for some Horsemen to get whacked by the Heathens. But in a game where only about half of the players are really playing with any level of consistency are 2:1 civvie-to-baddie odds really all that comforting?

Oh Lord I clicked on both links (in Balaam's post), like a total idiot.

I did too. I also didn't have headphones plugged in, so others heard my shame

My apologies for publicly shaming you in RL. I shall henceforth stop the rickrolling.

[Prisoner 509378]

Are you bad?

I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.

I notice you didn't say "no".

Oh now you done did it, Absalom. Just for you, buddy, here's Balaam's list of responses to your question:

Are you bad?

No.
I am not bad.
I am not a baddie.
I am not a Heathen.
I am not a Horseman.
I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.
I am not a civvie role that can turn against other civvies.
The Heathens need to kill or outnumber me and the rest of the civvies to win.
I personally believe the same is true about the Horsemen.
I am trying to help my fellow civvies win the game.
I want to stone Heathens and Horsemen.
I am good.
I am a C.
I am a C-I.
I am a C-I-V-I-L-L-I-A-N.
And I have C-I-V-V-I-E in my H-E-A-R-T
And I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y.*

* actually I will only continue to live so long as I am not stoned or NK'ed

[Prisoner 509378]

And yes, I'm aware that 'civilian' only has one L in it. Sue me for trying to be cute.

I am a civvie.

[NurseWilgy]

Are you bad?

I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.

I notice you didn't say "no".

Oh now you done did it, Absalom. Just for you, buddy, here's Balaam's list of responses to your question:

Are you bad?

No.
I am not bad.
I am not a baddie.
I am not a Heathen.
I am not a Horseman.
I am neither Heathen nor Horseman.
I am not a civvie role that can turn against other civvies.
The Heathens need to kill or outnumber me and the rest of the civvies to win.
I personally believe the same is true about the Horsemen.
I am trying to help my fellow civvies win the game.
I want to stone Heathens and Horsemen.
I am good.
I am a C.
I am a C-I.
I am a C-I-V-I-L-L-I-A-N.
And I have C-I-V-V-I-E in my H-E-A-R-T
And I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y.*

* actually I will only continue to live so long as I am not stoned or NK'ed

Thank you for your answer Balaam. II give you credit for your responsiveness. What I learn from this is that you really don't want to be lynched (I don't think you're in danger since I am the only one talking about voting for you.) What I infer from that... remains to be seen. Rest assured that I will think about my vote before I cast it.

[Young Lady]

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?

Think so too. If I were to guess...War?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Regarding the former, I'll try to do a full re-read of Job and decide how I feel about him, but as far as Uzziah goes, apart from his Day 1 (rather sudden, imo) change of tone, when he "offered" two "scum" reads, he has since done nothing but banter with Job and others and not post anything helpful, constructive and baddie-hunt-oriented. Unfortunately, that still cannot make me fully tell if he's a rogue, ignorant civ or a snickering baddie. I'm not in good position after yesterday's vote, but if the Day will end and the majority will wish to get rid of Uzziah, I won't really have anything against it - although that really isn't the best mentality and I'll still do my best to find a good vote option.

I agree with you on this one Belshazzar. I have voted Uzziah once but knew that I was taking the chance he might come up rogue, civ or baddie. I believed at the time the chances were greater for him to come up baddie. I've become slightly more unsure about my beliefs but not enough that I would mind a Uzziah vote. I'm also going to look for someone else though and that person may be Job.

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

I'm unsure what you are talking about regarding Jonah's theory of the feud "not being of their own making". That sounds like a forcing role but i didn't see anything in the roles that could force, much less force two players. Am I missing something there? And if they are being forced couldn't the force say they cannot suspect others during the time they were forced? And also this has been going on for days and a force is usually just for a day or a day and a night. So in the end, I'm not sure he's talking about a force or something else. Can you give any kind of clue that doesn't info dump or give your role away?

Regarding the latter, in particular Pilate's posts, I can't fully understand the nature of his posts, but it's either a purely defiant attitude from him or, and I've brought this up (but I notice nobody reflecting on it), something that he's forced to pursue. However, if it's the second, it should mostly reflect only his odd vote, not his odd attitude in general. On the other hand, I saw Esther and Isaac pick him right away as their potential lynch candidate, to which I have to ask what certainty do they have that Pilate is bad for arguably doing the same thing Mary did, given that lynching Mary was a screw up?

I am not ready to pick Pilate as a lynch candidate at the moment but I do believe his posts and vote were odd. He seemed to pick Rachel off of a case that you put forward, I think you even commented on it at the time. But there's the thing - it feels odd to me and as so many have pointed out we keep lynching the odd instead of the baddies. So right now, without further reason, I don't see voting for Pilate.

From Absalom's case on Balaam, I can't comment on his gut feeling, but I would only lightly subscribe to his point #2, in that it's a bit early and odd to state that we're doomed to lose this game to the Heathens in around two more phases or so. Not sure, though, if it's enough to say Balaam is intentionally discouraging us. It could easily be the kind of disillusionment about how things are going that I myself have expressed above. Besides, in his last post he addressed more issues, brought up more angles, questioned more players, which sounds good to me.

My reaction when Balsaam said that was he was more used to games that resolve in 3 to 4 days and if by day 3 in those games if you don't have a wolf you are not looking at good odds. Even if he really meant big games like this I don't think he is trying to discourage us. I think he was just stating his opinion which we all are doing.

Belshazzar you didn't comment on Job specifically in this post and I am most interested in what you think of him. Maybe you commented in another post and i missed it. Job holds the most interest for me to vote but i would like to hear more of his reaction to the cases made against him.

[Phoebe Buffay]

The difference is that Uzziah's focus on Job is revenge, for lack of a better term.

Uzziah was first to go after Job. He went as far as to tell Paul on the first day that he caught a baddie for him, or even 2-3, and the first one was Job. So why would he revenge Job?

But I agree that focusing on Uzziah alone makes me doubt Job more. I get that he's still pushing for Uzziah's lynch, especially after watching him escape every lynch and being sure he should be lynched. But you can both do that, and still say what you think of other players as well.

Job, can you please come in and give us some thoughts other than Uzziah?

Ballam, sorry to hear about your allergies. I know how you feel, so I hope the pills help, because they never help me

Fwiw this is a lie. I went after uzziah first and he tried to act like he was fishing for reactions with his rooting for scum post.

Sorry, I was under the impression that he said you were bad first.

Got some comments but first off

Rachel, if I were a baddie, I'd make sure to post enough to not be considered laying low, so Job not being here yet, means nothing. He can come in at any minute.

What is the meaning of this Jep. First half of the sentence has nothing to do with the second half so you have me wondering why throw it in at all? Subtly make us think ye aren't a baddie?

I was just to lazy to quote Rachel's post which was right above me and asked about why Job was now laying low. He was absent at the time. I said that if I were a baddie talked about, I would make sure to not seem like I'm laying too low, so I'd post something. It might not be a good way, but that's how I judge people- by how I would act as a baddie.

I just don't know how much I agree Job is bad . He seems genuinely frustrated that we're not going after Uzziah. Yes, there's the fact that he didn't really focus on other people, as well as how easy it is to go after Uzziah, but like he said, Rachel has focused mainly on him as well, and if you really feel someone is bad and not sure about others, you push for him.
So I'm still on the fence when it comes to him. And just for the record, Rachel, I'm sorry you felt like I didn't do the work when I asked you to say again why you're suspicious of him, but I did see Paul's case. I asked for yours. You could have just said you agreed with Paul's case.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Let's see... You complain about me hounding on no one but uzziah. But then all you've been talking about for days is me. Then you express the same frustration I am facing, that literally no one is listening and will vote someone else in the end because no one is invested or cares. But yet you don't understand what you're experiencing is exactly what I am facing.

Wisdom about other players? I think Rachel is bad. I think it is ridiculous the ruse she is fronting. But honestly she's right, I just don't care enough. I fought my heart out for a solid day to convince people to vote uzziah and you numbskulls lynch a silenced person.

LOL Job. You're gonna be embarrassed by how wrong you are.

First, let's tackle the idea that I have only talked about you. Here is a list of posts I have made that have NOT addressed you since I announced my suspicion of you on Day 2:
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 27#p139927
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p140190
3. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p140221
4. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 49#p140349
5. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p140351
6. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p140352
7. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p140363
8. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p140366
9. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p140872
10. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140887
11. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 32#p140932
12. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p140946
13. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p140950
14. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p141143
15. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p141148
16. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p141153
17. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p141252
18. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p141301
19. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p141303
20. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p141372
That was after a quick skim of my own posts. I found 20 posts where I talk about something other than you, Job. That's more than what some people have posted the entire game. But let's compare that to your own record, eh?
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140287
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p140314
Going back to a similar point in the game, you have made TWO posts where you don't mention Uzziah. One is saying RIP Paul and the other is saying you'll be away. But Hey! We're doing the same thing, right?

Now you try and convince me to stop suspecting you by trying to equate our experiences in pursuing our suspects. Except... I actively posted for the entire game (minus real time ONE day where I was extremely ill) while you have not. Whatever your reasons may be, you have not. You are trying to get me to empathize with you to avoid suspicion. However, this doesn't work because in the very next bit, you suddenly suspect me. You have yet to express suspicion of me, but suddenly "Rachel is bad." Reason given:"The ruse am fronting". Bull.
Now Job says he really doesn't care because on the day HE wanted to lynch Uzziah (for reasons that are so superficial and banal they don't even deserve mention) "we" lynched Cain. Many people did not vote Cain-- I did not. I voted for Job.


So, please, Job, if you're going to make a post against me, do some basic research because that was a load of malarkey.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE:

I think at least Job is bad and I have a neutral read on Uzz.

Why have you changed your opinion on him? Why, if you previously thought him to be bad, have you continually found reason not to vote him?

What do you even mean?
I have not suspected Uzziah all game.

I guess I was wrong about Rachel focusing mostly on Job.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Well, I see that everyone has been as busy as I am, which makes for an easy catch-up, but may not be ideal for baddie hunting.

Rachel, I see your case on Job. I understand it. I don't agree with it. I am not getting baddie vibes from Job.
I also see the case on Rachel having contradicted herself. I don't think she's bad either.
I am a little suspicious of Uzziah for narrowly avoiding lynches day after day. Smells a little fishy to me, but...
I'm going to have to give my vote to Balaam today. Here's why:

1. His lists, while they have become more helpful, initially read to me as a way of saying "look at me! I'm helping! I must be good because I am helping!"
2. His comment about the Heathens having the game all sewed up, besides being untrue, felt a little like wishful thinking on his part.
3. My gut is just screaming at me to vote for him, and I like to listen to me gut.

I'll hold off on actually voting to see if anything else comes up today, but thta is probably what I will do.

I don't get the wishful thinking. He has BTSC to celebrate or wish. I see frustrated baddies slip a lot more often than pleased or hopeful. This is just weird.
As for the lists, I thought so too at the beginning, but his behaviour surounding those lists makes me get a more civvie vibe.

[Lunatella]

Let's see... You complain about me hounding on no one but uzziah. But then all you've been talking about for days is me. Then you express the same frustration I am facing, that literally no one is listening and will vote someone else in the end because no one is invested or cares. But yet you don't understand what you're experiencing is exactly what I am facing.

Wisdom about other players? I think Rachel is bad. I think it is ridiculous the ruse she is fronting. But honestly she's right, I just don't care enough. I fought my heart out for a solid day to convince people to vote uzziah and you numbskulls lynch a silenced person.

LOL Job. You're gonna be embarrassed by how wrong you are.

First, let's tackle the idea that I have only talked about you. Here is a list of posts I have made that have NOT addressed you since I announced my suspicion of you on Day 2:
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 27#p139927
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 90#p140190
3. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p140221
4. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 49#p140349
5. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 51#p140351
6. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p140352
7. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p140363
8. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 66#p140366
9. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p140872
10. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140887
11. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 32#p140932
12. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p140946
13. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p140950
14. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 43#p141143
15. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 48#p141148
16. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 53#p141153
17. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 52#p141252
18. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p141301
19. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 03#p141303
20. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 72#p141372
That was after a quick skim of my own posts. I found 20 posts where I talk about something other than you, Job. That's more than what some people have posted the entire game. But let's compare that to your own record, eh?
1. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 87#p140287
2. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p140314
Going back to a similar point in the game, you have made TWO posts where you don't mention Uzziah. One is saying RIP Paul and the other is saying you'll be away. But Hey! We're doing the same thing, right?

Now you try and convince me to stop suspecting you by trying to equate our experiences in pursuing our suspects. Except... I actively posted for the entire game (minus real time ONE day where I was extremely ill) while you have not. Whatever your reasons may be, you have not. You are trying to get me to empathize with you to avoid suspicion. However, this doesn't work because in the very next bit, you suddenly suspect me. You have yet to express suspicion of me, but suddenly "Rachel is bad." Reason given:"The ruse am fronting". Bull.
Now Job says he really doesn't care because on the day HE wanted to lynch Uzziah (for reasons that are so superficial and banal they don't even deserve mention) "we" lynched Cain. Many people did not vote Cain-- I did not. I voted for Job.


So, please, Job, if you're going to make a post against me, do some basic research because that was a load of malarkey.

BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE:

I think at least Job is bad and I have a neutral read on Uzz.

Why have you changed your opinion on him? Why, if you previously thought him to be bad, have you continually found reason not to vote him?

What do you even mean?
I have not suspected Uzziah all game.

I guess I was wrong about Rachel focusing mostly on Job.

Yeah me too, but she went a long way to prove a point eh?

[Phoebe Buffay]

^True. What if she did?

[Lunatella]

Here's my thoughts on Rachel's post.

#1. I didn't try and convince you to stop suspecting me at all by trying to equate our situations. If that is genuinely what you think happened, it is because you really are convinced I am trying to manipulate you. I have better things to do with my time. I'm not out to manipulate anyone because I'm not bad. If I wanted you to stop suspecting me, I would have been present in the thread arguing with you days ago. But lets face it, when I have a choice between logging into this website to banter with you and do something at home with my family, I'm going to choose my family. I actually loathe playing this game because I'm tired of listening to you. RE: why I didn't even bother catching up after my vacation.

#2. If Uzziah is bad like I believe, you are the most likely teammate. End of story. You have subtly defended him all game and it hasn't gone unnoticed. Ok - you did not vote for Cain. But you still voted for a civvies that day. Sorry sister.

#3. If I had time to do research, I would have used it on researching Uzziah. Sorry if I didn't get my facts straight, but I'm not sure what you were trying to prove. That I have a poor memory? That I didn't catch up last weekend?

#4. Sharing my thoughts on anyone besides the person I suspect is pointless. No one is listening to me about the person I'm most confident about, so I don't see what good speculating on another non-lynch candidate will do.

Though you are starting to convince me to break my oath to only vote Uzziah. I may vote for you instead. Congratulations!

[Prisoner 509378]

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?

Think so too. If I were to guess...War?

That would seem like the most logical answer.

The Seven Seals
6 Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures call out, as with a voice of thunder, “Come!”[a] 2 I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer.

3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature call out, “Come!”{b} 4 And out came[c] another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.

5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature call out, “Come!”[d] I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand, 6 and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s pay,[e] and three quarts of barley for a day’s pay,[f] but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!”

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, “Come!”[g] 8 I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.

I know it's Wikipedia, but check this out (no rickrolls, I swear!) for more information on the Horsemen. The purpose of the white horse is disputed in scholarly circles but the red horse sounds exactly like your theory on Job and Uzziah. The Red Rider causes people to slaughter each other. The wikipedia article mention 'civil war' which would make sense for Job v. Uzz. If that is what's going on, then perhaps Red puts two people together like lovers but only opposite. But with lovers, when one dies, the other kills him/herself. I wonder what happens if either Job or Uzziah die? Would Red be able to pit two other players against each other? That's a lot of if's but it's certainly intriguing.

[Lunatella]

@Jeph, my point is.. what was all that effort of going out of her way to disprove my statement to prove? She could have used 3,4 quotes and proved her point. She posted 20.

Honestly re: the idea of baddies killing annoying people, if she were good I'd think she'd be dead by now. If Paul and Martha were annoying, which they weren't IMO, she's 100 times so.

Linki w/ Balaam - dude, you're reading too far into it. Cupid didn't shoot an anti-arrow at me. Uzziah is scummy and I want to lynch him. Ever heard of occams razor? Cute theory but not what is happening.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Here's my thoughts on Rachel's post.

#1. I didn't try and convince you to stop suspecting me at all by trying to equate our situations. If that is genuinely what you think happened, it is because you really are convinced I am trying to manipulate you. I have better things to do with my time. I'm not out to manipulate anyone because I'm not bad. If I wanted you to stop suspecting me, I would have been present in the thread arguing with you days ago. But lets face it, when I have a choice between logging into this website to banter with you and do something at home with my family, I'm going to choose my family. I actually loathe playing this game because I'm tired of listening to you. RE: why I didn't even bother catching up after my vacation.

#2. If Uzziah is bad like I believe, you are the most likely teammate. End of story. You have subtly defended him all game and it hasn't gone unnoticed. Ok - you did not vote for Cain. But you still voted for a civvies that day. Sorry sister.

#3. If I had time to do research, I would have used it on researching Uzziah. Sorry if I didn't get my facts straight, but I'm not sure what you were trying to prove. That I have a poor memory? That I didn't catch up last weekend?

#4. Sharing my thoughts on anyone besides the person I suspect is pointless. No one is listening to me about the person I'm most confident about, so I don't see what good speculating on another non-lynch candidate will do.

Though you are starting to convince me to break my oath to only vote Uzziah. I may vote for you instead. Congratulations!

I like this post.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?

Think so too. If I were to guess...War?

That would seem like the most logical answer.

The Seven Seals
6 Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures call out, as with a voice of thunder, “Come!”[a] 2 I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer.

3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature call out, “Come!”{b} 4 And out came[c] another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.

5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature call out, “Come!”[d] I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand, 6 and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s pay,[e] and three quarts of barley for a day’s pay,[f] but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!”

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, “Come!”[g] 8 I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.

I know it's Wikipedia, but check this out (no rickrolls, I swear!) for more information on the Horsemen. The purpose of the white horse is disputed in scholarly circles but the red horse sounds exactly like your theory on Job and Uzziah. The Red Rider causes people to slaughter each other. The wikipedia article mention 'civil war' which would make sense for Job v. Uzz. If that is what's going on, then perhaps Red puts two people together like lovers but only opposite. But with lovers, when one dies, the other kills him/herself. I wonder what happens if either Job or Uzziah die? Would Red be able to pit two other players against each other? That's a lot of if's but it's certainly intriguing.

So what you're saying is they have to vote for each other because some horsemen made them? Or did I misunderstand your interpretation?
That theory is proved wrong if Job votes Rachel like he just threatened.

[Phoebe Buffay]

I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on Lazarus like you promised Balaam.

And here's a suggestion for all those who are so busy. Did you consider finding a replacement?

[Young Lady]

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?

Think so too. If I were to guess...War?

That would seem like the most logical answer.

The Seven Seals
6 Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures call out, as with a voice of thunder, “Come!”[a] 2 I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer.

3 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature call out, “Come!”{b} 4 And out came[c] another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another; and he was given a great sword.

5 When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature call out, “Come!”[d] I looked, and there was a black horse! Its rider held a pair of scales in his hand, 6 and I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s pay,[e] and three quarts of barley for a day’s pay,[f] but do not damage the olive oil and the wine!”

7 When he opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature call out, “Come!”[g] 8 I looked and there was a pale green horse! Its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed with him; they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, famine, and pestilence, and by the wild animals of the earth.

I know it's Wikipedia, but check this out (no rickrolls, I swear!) for more information on the Horsemen. The purpose of the white horse is disputed in scholarly circles but the red horse sounds exactly like your theory on Job and Uzziah. The Red Rider causes people to slaughter each other. The wikipedia article mention 'civil war' which would make sense for Job v. Uzz. If that is what's going on, then perhaps Red puts two people together like lovers but only opposite. But with lovers, when one dies, the other kills him/herself. I wonder what happens if either Job or Uzziah die? Would Red be able to pit two other players against each other? That's a lot of if's but it's certainly intriguing.

So what you're saying is they have to vote for each other because some horsemen made them? Or did I misunderstand your interpretation?
That theory is proved wrong if Job votes Rachel like he just threatened.

Not just vote. That would be the Pharaoh's doing. Jonah said "feud" and I think that's the better word. It can encompass voting, of course.

[Marmot]

The Bible should recognize marmots more.

[NurseWilgy]

Balaam speaks of several theories on what could influence both Job's and Uzziah's obstinate gameplay and I can think what some of them might be myself. Jonah also brought up a theory of their feud "not being of their own making" and, while this may not be clear to all the players, suffice to say I'm also aware of this possibility. The problem, however, is that neither of these cases, if they're true, would force Job and Uzziah to focus solely on each other, instead of performing more than that. And yet, they both aren't doing anything besides that and are not helping in any other way, which is still a very questionable thing.

You're right- I never thought of their feud as being something laid upon them. Could be some Horseplay going on there?

Think so too. If I were to guess...War?

This makes a lot of sense, now that you've said it.