Biblical Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dodo]

Belsh, what make you of Rebecca?

[Epignosis]

Also, @Host: what happens if there'll be no "seventh Night", as far as Elijah is concerned? Does it take effect anyway?

If there's no Night, there's no Night. That applies to everyone.

[Snapshot]

Before anyone throws the idea out there...

I think it's a zero sum game. Lynch a heathen, Elijah gets no kill. But for Elijah to get a kill, we have to lynch no heathen. And then hope Elijah is alive, and smites a baddie.

So for me, I think our better option is to do our utmost to find a heathen, and if we fail at least Elijah might have the chance to make up for it.

[NurseWilgy]

I'm not convinced about Jacob. He sounds sincere to me. I think Jonathan has a particularly bad voting record, but I need to sleep on it and look some more.

[dodo]

Before anyone throws the idea out there...

I think it's a zero sum game. Lynch a heathen, Elijah gets no kill. But for Elijah to get a kill, we have to lynch no heathen. And then hope Elijah is alive, and smites a baddie.

So for me, I think our better option is to do our utmost to find a heathen, and if we fail at least Elijah might have the chance to make up for it.

this tbqh.

[Prisoner 509378]

Okay, here's the update Technicolor vote lists. I'm going to re-read Day 6 and take some notes over lunch. Some questions/thoughts at the end...

DAY 1 RESULTS:

1. SAMUEL (Paul)
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie
3. LOT (Gideon)
4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
5. REBECCA (Rachel)
6. PAUL (Martha)
7. BARNABAS (Stephen)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)
19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
26. GIDEON (Hagar)
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)
29. CAIN (Balaam)

Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judas, Lazarus

Day 2 Results:

1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
3. JOB (Rachel)
4. CAIN (Paul)
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
11. STEPHEN (Stephen)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Barnabas (2), Cain, Esther (2), Gideon, Hagar, Isaac, Jacob, Jephthah, Jonah, Judah (2), Mary Mag, Mordecai, Nicodemus, Pilate, Ruth, Samuel

DAY 3 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)
6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
7. JOB (Isaac)
8. RAHAB (Jonah)
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
17. JOB (Rachel)
18. JOB (Esther)
19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)

Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen

DAY 4 Results:

1. RACHEL (Pilate)
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)
5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
6. JOB (Rachel)
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
12. JOB (Balaam)
13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)
19. BALAAM (Judah)
20. DEBORAH (Deborah)
21. JOB (Belshazzar)

Not Voting: Barnabas (4), Bathsheba (3), Isaac (2), Jacob (2), Lot, Malchus (2)

DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)
18. MALCHUS (Deborah)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


Not Voting: Balaam, Bathsheba (4), Jacob (3), Judah (4), Malchus (3)

DAY 6 Results:
1. RACHEL (Isaac)
2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
5. RUTH (Lot)
6. PILATE (Esther)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
10. PILATE (Rahab)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
12. JACOB (Jonathan)
13. JACOB (Deborah)
14. RUTH (Rachel)
15. RACHEL (Jacob)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Jonah (2), Judah (5), Malchus (4)


1) Does anyone think that Samuel and/or Bathsheba are exonerated by the stoning result? Their votes were sudden and very last minute when the race was theoretically close (if Lazarus is Simon). If Laz is Simon, then Samuel's vote was the clincher. The question is whether or not he was paying attention to the vote tally theories before he jumped in and voted. Had he not been aware of it, he may have thought he was just bandwagoning. Bathsheba has barely participated in this game at all, missing 4 votes and hardly posting, which makes me think more and more that she is just an indifferent player and finally got around to doing something (perhaps after a nudge from the host?).

2) I slightly disagree with Rachel on where to look for the next Heathen. I agree on looking at those who voted for Rachel but the votes for Jacob and Pilate concern me more than the votes for Absalom. Look at my color list and consider this:
-Ruth takes an early 2-vote lead
-Esther jumps on Pilate, adding another name to the spread
-Jeph casts his vote for Ruth, making it a 3-vote lead
-Momentum stops for a while
-Rachel picks up the next 2 votes
-Pilate gets another vote
-Absalom picks up the magical mystery vote from Lazarus
-Two votes suddenly come in for Jacob now that things are pretty spread out and it looks like the Ruth wagon lost its mojo
-Rachel votes to keep Ruth 2 votes ahead of her
-Jacob votes to keep Rachel close to Ruth
-Ruth votes Absalom in the hopes of Lazarus being the Walrus
-Then things pick up again for Ruth as we become wary of the Lazarus Theory

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?


3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

4) It seems to me that Judah and Mlachus have abandoned the game. Anyone got reason to believe they're threatening their P-Score to play out a slothful yet nefarious Heathen plot?

[Nicol Bolas]

Great job guys, maybe Absalom is ok after all!

[Rachel Green]

Alright folks. I know I have been mostly quiet. But like I said, I am an observer in the beginning of full games. I think I can now come forth with my first true suspicion. Pilate.

His behavior in the thread has lead me to reread his posts from start to finish (which didn't take very long actually).

First of all, he missed Day 0 entirely - didn't post, didn't vote. He comes in Day 1 and says he didn't realize the game had started. So, for over 48 hours he was oblivious that the game had started? Unlikely. He comes in on Day 1 and is the 6th person to vote altogether, but first to vote for Uzziah. Well, Uzz was bad you say? Yes, but Uzz had no votes at the time. Lot had 1 vote at the time, Samuel had 2. I see Pilate's Day 1 vote for a teammate as trying to gain civ cred.

Day 2 - Says if he would have he would have voted Marth Day 2 (but he couldn't 'cause she was then dead). In the same post he says he is still suspicious of Uzz and will probably vote him, but ends up voting Job (Uzz' rival) instead.

Day 3 - misses vote entirely

Day 4 - Votes Rachel. He quotes a case made from Belshazzar and jumps on that train. However, the case that Belsh made wasn't very convincing enough for anyone else or even for Belsh himself as he voted Uzz that day (Belsh did, I mean). I think Pilate was just looking for something to grasp onto so he could keep from voting his own beloved Uzz.

I'm shocked that I don't have more suspicion by now. So this is the life of an unforgivably low poster.

This is where my suspicion of Pilate began. This post here made me look into him in the first place. It looks like he is trying to hard to apologize for not being helpful to the cause of getting baddies.

Day 5 - Pilate talks about how he'd been MIA. He wonders where the suspicion of Rachel went.

Uzziah has no reason at all to think I'm Civ, unless he's bad.

How could anyone "read" me as Civ with the way I've been playing. Hardly here, and when I am here, I say sketchy things.

These quote stands out to me. He admits his behavior thus far should be seen as baddie behavior. I think that he thinks by admitting this we will think he is civ, but not me. And I think he uses the first quote to distance from Uzz again as he is the first to vote for him and the first to vote altogether if you don't count host/non/dead option. It bit him in the ass, however when people began to follow his crazy behavior and Uzz got the most votes that day.

Day 6 - Now he just plays dumb.

What happened to the night? We lynched Uzziah, and went straight into another lynch?

AND...he votes for Absalom, the first to vote for his teammate, Ruth.

Pilate will most likely get my vote today.

[Paul Stevens]

Nicely done guys!!

Let's lynch Jacob.

4 posts containing anything about Ruth. 4 posts in six chapters. All of them the previous Day.
"Case on Ruth is intriguing."
"Ruth is unlikely to be Uzziah's teammate because she hunted him consistently."
"Feeling ambivalent about Ruth, don't feel like voting her."
"Hope you're right about Ruth"

Careful, he might start suspecting you and almost get you lynched!

Sorry, that may have been me

I think the Absalom and Me voters are potential suspects.

I agree with this. I think at least 2 of the people who voted for you behind me saw a convenient opportunity to get rid of you (assuming you are civ). I feel really good about Absalom after this lynch. So we should definitely scrutinize his voters, as well. It may also be helpful to look at the bandwagoning Ruth voters. I think Balaam pointed this out, too. A response to his thoughts coming up.

I encourage people to read my posts WITHOUT presupposing that I am bad. I think you are all putting a spin on everything I say, and sure I don't have the cleanest voting record or consistency of opinions, but I have been nothing but honest in each of my posts. Try going in without that bias and see me for the unfortunately very frustrated civvie that I am. Also look for my very subtle hints

I think I know who you are buddy But I'm still keeping my on you. It's easy for you and Jeph to say that you find me to be a sincere civ, especially if I get lynched. But right now Jeph seems more sincere than you do. No offense

Balaam: Not quoting your mega post, but no, I don't think Samuel and Bathsheba are exonerated by this lynch. It's too easy for Heathens to wait until the last minute to throw their votes on a teammate who is obviously doomed. I would be okay with throwing a vote to one of them today. Hopefully we hear more from them first.
Also, Isaac is good but misguided I do agree, however, that there could be potential heathens in that final list of yours. I'm very uncertain of where to look first in that list, though.

[Rachel Green]

HAHA....I didn't even see Pilate's most recent post until now. "good job guys, maybe Absalom is okay afterall." Yeah, maybe :P

[Paul Stevens]

HAHA....I didn't even see Pilate's most recent post until now. "good job guys, maybe Absalom is okay afterall." Yeah, maybe :P

I LOLd at this too

[2 Stupid Dogs]

2) I slightly disagree with Rachel on where to look for the next Heathen. I agree on looking at those who voted for Rachel but the votes for Jacob and Pilate concern me more than the votes for Absalom. Look at my color list and consider this:
-Ruth takes an early 2-vote lead
-Esther jumps on Pilate, adding another name to the spread
-Jeph casts his vote for Ruth, making it a 3-vote lead
-Momentum stops for a while
-Rachel picks up the next 2 votes
-Pilate gets another vote
-Absalom picks up the magical mystery vote from Lazarus
-Two votes suddenly come in for Jacob now that things are pretty spread out and it looks like the Ruth wagon lost its mojo
-Rachel votes to keep Ruth 2 votes ahead of her
-Jacob votes to keep Rachel close to Ruth
-Ruth votes Absalom in the hopes of Lazarus being the Walrus
-Then things pick up again for Ruth as we become wary of the Lazarus Theory

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?

I don't follow your thought process here. There was conversation all through the voting about Pilate and especially Jacob. Jacob was my first selection (and iirc you proclaimed Jacob the most dangerous of them all), I almost changed to Ruth but did not because of the point Jacob brought up, and ended up voting for Jacob after all. When I mentioned changing to Ruth, Lot also gave me an opinion that he wasn't positive about Ruth and that Jacob was a good choice. Whether he's heathen or not he certainly carried a lot of suspicion and I voted him because of it. So how do you get that someone who voted Jacob is bad? Maybe there is a heathen in the group you list but it is not me.

[NurseWilgy]

Jonathan, why are you so bad?

[NurseWilgy]

[quote="Balaam"
Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?
[/quote]
Jonathan, and I'm not sure of the other. Maybe Mordecai. I don't think Jacob is bad, but it's just a gut read, so I might be wrong.

[Prisoner 509378]

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?

Jonathan, and I'm not sure of the other. Maybe Mordecai. I don't think Jacob is bad, but it's just a gut read, so I might be wrong.

Jonathan is on my must re-read list. Not sure I feel your gut read on Jacob. After all, you had a gut read on me once...

[NurseWilgy]

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?

Jonathan, and I'm not sure of the other. Maybe Mordecai. I don't think Jacob is bad, but it's just a gut read, so I might be wrong.

Jonathan is on my must re-read list. Not sure I feel your gut read on Jacob. After all, you had a gut read on me once...

Haha, fair enough.

[Quokka]

To answer your question regarding the vote tally when I cast mine, the answer is no I was not paying attention. So no I did not know mine was the clincher, but it would not have changed my vote if I did. I know it is easy to say now but I have nothing to hide so I am fine with just saying outright I wasn't aware enough to realize I clinched it, but I am not bad so I would have had no reason to do something different than that.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

[NurseWilgy]

Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

Your voting record.

Day 1: You were the 5th vote for Samson, when it was safe and obvious thta no one else was going to get lynched.

Day 2: The third vote for Uzziah, after 7 votes were on Cain. A safe cover vote on a teammate.

Day 3: The second vote for Lazarus when Uzziah had three. You wanted to lynch Uzziah the day before. Here was your chance, but you voted for someone else.

Day 4: The 8th vote for Job. Safe and bandwagony.

Day 5: The 4th vote for Uzziah. Now that it is clear he's going down, might as well join in.

Day 6: The first vote for Jacob after Ruth had four. This is your least incriminating vote. I think you just wanted to stay away from what was going down.

I caught Ruth using her voting record. I'll catch you the same way.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

[NurseWilgy]

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

Why did you abandon your Uzziah suspicion on Day 3 when he could actually have been lynched?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Absalom, after the day I voted for Uzziah Balaam theorized Uzziah was just messing with us and i took note of that observation because I have through the whole game listened to Balaam. Below is my post right before I voted. I had decided to back of Uzziah and try to get a better grip on him.

After giving more though to a Uzziah vote again today I have decided to wait and give that another day or two to develop. He has been silent today (at least I didn't see anything from him) but I don't know if he is laying low or legitimately silenced. I have chosen to go with Lazarus today for the reasons that Mordecai and Balaam brought up today. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he has been silenced but I'm going to take the risk in his case.

[NurseWilgy]

From Day 2:

Bring out the cheeze. They're here.


Jonathan, if Cain is bad, you just encouraged him not to post anything

I know but I had to explain my reasoning. I preferred not to. Besides, I think Cain is going to have enough votes without mine.

I also can't believe we don't have others voting.

Boom. Flat out admitted you were avoiding being part of the actual lynch. Suspicious as all heck.

Day 3:

After giving more though to a Uzziah vote again today I have decided to wait and give that another day or two to develop. He has been silent today (at least I didn't see anything from him) but I don't know if he is laying low or legitimately silenced. I have chosen to go with Lazarus today for the reasons that Mordecai and Balaam brought up today. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he has been silenced but I'm going to take the risk in his case.

Abandoning your previous suspicion to "give that another day or two" even though this is your best chance to lynch him. I don't believe you.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Cain was presumably silenced and if you read my posts that day you would see I considered him throughout the day. I did flat out admit I would not be part of the lynch because I was not comfortable that he hadn't said anything. I will occasionally vote for people who have been silenced but this was not the case. He had been hanging around in the thread so we could see him for God's sake and see that he wasn't responding to the suspicions being brought up.
And you don't believe me that I was giving Uzziah the benefit of a few days? Then why did I come back and vote him later? 4th, not last or next to last.

[NurseWilgy]

And you don't believe me that I was giving Uzziah the benefit of a few days? Then why did I come back and vote him later? 4th, not last or next to last.

It doesn't make sense that you would back off him just as you had the chance to lynch him, and then come back and vote for him again later, when his lynch was inevitable (you were only the fourth vote, but it was obvious that he was going down.) It reeks of insincerity.

[dodo]

1) Does anyone think that Samuel and/or Bathsheba are exonerated by the stoning result? Their votes were sudden and very last minute when the race was theoretically close (if Lazarus is Simon). If Laz is Simon, then Samuel's vote was the clincher. The question is whether or not he was paying attention to the vote tally theories before he jumped in and voted. Had he not been aware of it, he may have thought he was just bandwagoning. Bathsheba has barely participated in this game at all, missing 4 votes and hardly posting, which makes me think more and more that she is just an indifferent player and finally got around to doing something (perhaps after a nudge from the host?).

2) I slightly disagree with Rachel on where to look for the next Heathen. I agree on looking at those who voted for Rachel but the votes for Jacob and Pilate concern me more than the votes for Absalom. Look at my color list and consider this:
-Ruth takes an early 2-vote lead
-Esther jumps on Pilate, adding another name to the spread
-Jeph casts his vote for Ruth, making it a 3-vote lead
-Momentum stops for a while
-Rachel picks up the next 2 votes
-Pilate gets another vote
-Absalom picks up the magical mystery vote from Lazarus
-Two votes suddenly come in for Jacob now that things are pretty spread out and it looks like the Ruth wagon lost its mojo
-Rachel votes to keep Ruth 2 votes ahead of her
-Jacob votes to keep Rachel close to Ruth
-Ruth votes Absalom in the hopes of Lazarus being the Walrus
-Then things pick up again for Ruth as we become wary of the Lazarus Theory

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?


3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

4) It seems to me that Judah and Mlachus have abandoned the game. Anyone got reason to believe they're threatening their P-Score to play out a slothful yet nefarious Heathen plot?

1. I am not as sure as you because I think we might have some inactive on the baddie team given the Pharaoh has done almost all the killing.

2. That's a possibility.

Alright folks. I know I have been mostly quiet. But like I said, I am an observer in the beginning of full games. I think I can now come forth with my first true suspicion. Pilate.

His behavior in the thread has lead me to reread his posts from start to finish (which didn't take very long actually).

First of all, he missed Day 0 entirely - didn't post, didn't vote. He comes in Day 1 and says he didn't realize the game had started. So, for over 48 hours he was oblivious that the game had started? Unlikely. He comes in on Day 1 and is the 6th person to vote altogether, but first to vote for Uzziah. Well, Uzz was bad you say? Yes, but Uzz had no votes at the time. Lot had 1 vote at the time, Samuel had 2. I see Pilate's Day 1 vote for a teammate as trying to gain civ cred.

Day 2 - Says if he would have he would have voted Marth Day 2 (but he couldn't 'cause she was then dead). In the same post he says he is still suspicious of Uzz and will probably vote him, but ends up voting Job (Uzz' rival) instead.

Day 3 - misses vote entirely

Day 4 - Votes Rachel. He quotes a case made from Belshazzar and jumps on that train. However, the case that Belsh made wasn't very convincing enough for anyone else or even for Belsh himself as he voted Uzz that day (Belsh did, I mean). I think Pilate was just looking for something to grasp onto so he could keep from voting his own beloved Uzz.

I'm shocked that I don't have more suspicion by now. So this is the life of an unforgivably low poster.

This is where my suspicion of Pilate began. This post here made me look into him in the first place. It looks like he is trying to hard to apologize for not being helpful to the cause of getting baddies.

Day 5 - Pilate talks about how he'd been MIA. He wonders where the suspicion of Rachel went.

Uzziah has no reason at all to think I'm Civ, unless he's bad.

How could anyone "read" me as Civ with the way I've been playing. Hardly here, and when I am here, I say sketchy things.

These quote stands out to me. He admits his behavior thus far should be seen as baddie behavior. I think that he thinks by admitting this we will think he is civ, but not me. And I think he uses the first quote to distance from Uzz again as he is the first to vote for him and the first to vote altogether if you don't count host/non/dead option. It bit him in the ass, however when people began to follow his crazy behavior and Uzz got the most votes that day.

Day 6 - Now he just plays dumb.

What happened to the night? We lynched Uzziah, and went straight into another lynch?

AND...he votes for Absalom, the first to vote for his teammate, Ruth.

Pilate will most likely get my vote today.

My question for you is why does him not being around Day 0 incriminate him?
I think it kind of points toward him being civvie.

Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

Your voting record.

Day 1: You were the 5th vote for Samson, when it was safe and obvious thta no one else was going to get lynched.

Day 2: The third vote for Uzziah, after 7 votes were on Cain. A safe cover vote on a teammate.

Day 3: The second vote for Lazarus when Uzziah had three. You wanted to lynch Uzziah the day before. Here was your chance, but you voted for someone else.

Day 4: The 8th vote for Job. Safe and bandwagony.

Day 5: The 4th vote for Uzziah. Now that it is clear he's going down, might as well join in.

Day 6: The first vote for Jacob after Ruth had four. This is your least incriminating vote. I think you just wanted to stay away from what was going down.

I caught Ruth using her voting record. I'll catch you the same way.

Day 3 is very incriminating in my opinion.

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

What does this last line mean?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Well, thats exactly what happened. i needed some space to think about Uzziah. Was he really the person I thought he was behind the sock? If so he likely was just saying crap because he doesn't care and it is fun but he was really civ. Was someone imitating him so we would think that? If so, that person was probably bad. Could he be the person I thought he was and really be bad this time around? All those things and more were swirling through my mind in those couple of days.

Like I said before, if you don't believe me lynch me and see where that gets you.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

What does this last line mean?

Absalom is trying to lynch a civ is what I mean which is not likely to be good for him.

[dodo]

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

What does this last line mean?

Absalom is trying to lynch a civ is what I mean which is not likely to be good for him.

So yo uthink Absalom is bad?

[Jack Shephard]

Hmm, not sure where I stand on Jonathan. I still feel like I can trust Absalom but I don't necessarily trust his gut, and Jon's defenses read genuine and again I'm afraid he's in a similar boat as I was... Idk, I could see him either way. I don't really like that he's no-u'ing on Abs though.

Pilate though. Pilate is not looking good. Wtf even was that last post of his? So weird.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

[Phoebe Buffay]

Great results once again! Good call Absalom.

I'm inclined to feel the same way about Jacob. He seems genuine. Naturally, I'm feeling better about Rachel, but I still have reservations on Mordecai and Samuel. Though the former is more suspicious.
Here is Mordecai's post and vote before the end of the day:

Going over the votes, 3 things caught my eye. When I do these vote analysis('s)(ses)(?) I look for people who consistently vote together, odd drop offs in votes after a lynch, and after somebody comes up mafia, players who voted with said baddie throughout the game numerous times.

Deborah and Balaam voted together until day 4, where Deborah submitted a vote for herself. Voted Cain day 1 and 2. Mary Magdalene on day 3.

Malchus voted with Cain for Absalom Day 1. Malchus then voted Cain day 2. Disappeared from votes entirely after Cain was lynched as a civ.

Uzziah and Rachel voted for Job Day 2. Voted together on Job day 3 again. First two votes on Day 4 for Job subsequently. Rachel flips on Uzziah Day 5.

The people I am going to dig into following this post, are Malchus, Rachel, and Deborah. Another thing that has been bothering me this whole game though that I've been keeping my mouth shut about, are all these people that come in here every single day phase with the same opener of "Sorry I've been gone! Catching up now!". One time is fine whatever. But doing it basically every day? I dont like it. I find it telling of paranoia, that people find it necessary to constantly explain away their absence even when not asked. Like they're afraid of always being watched. Unless you're a millionaire that sits at home all day, or unemployed, nobody can be here 24/7. Everybody has lives. I work 8-12 hour days 5-6 days a week. I post when I can. I dont feel like I owe anybody an explanation though, aside from when I justify my short posts because my phone is a piece of shit.

Gonna try and go back through the thread tonight to connect my voting notes to some dots.

1.To the first underlined, why? Why look for that patter.
2. To the second underlined sentence. While he says he's going to follow this post with analysis on all pepople he mentions, he doesn't. He just adds one more post before deadline :
3. At the end of the day he said this:
" are all these people that come in here every single day phase with the same opener of "Sorry I've been gone! Catching up now!". One time is fine whatever. But doing it basically every day? I dont like it"

But one post before that, he apologizes himself, or sort of excuses somthing he did.

And of course, there's the voting pattern. He voted third for Rachel when Ruth had He never really expalined it, and there are all the previous days' votes we talked about.


I think the baddies spread their votes. We should decide who's looking the worst from each vote train. I also wonder whether after Ruth being caught for voting for Uzziah to look better, if even one of them voted Ruth.
Another person I want to look at is Rahab, but it has to wait until tomorrow.

I really need to go, sorry, but I'll be back tomorrow

[NurseWilgy]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

I read Cain's posts, and thought he was bad. He wasn't. I read Balaam's posts and apparently came to the wrong conclusion about him. I based my case on Ruth solely on voting record and I caught a baddie. I'm taking the voting analysis approach for now. Besides, I did read your posts. I think your mentions of Uzziah are wishy washy and don't mean anything.

If you'd look at MY voting record, you'd see that your accusations against me are misguided at best and those of an evildoer at worst.

[Rachel Green]

Jonathan, why are you so bad?

I am not bad. What would make you think I am?

Your voting record.

Day 1: You were the 5th vote for Samson, when it was safe and obvious thta no one else was going to get lynched.

Day 2: The third vote for Uzziah, after 7 votes were on Cain. A safe cover vote on a teammate.

Day 3: The second vote for Lazarus when Uzziah had three. You wanted to lynch Uzziah the day before. Here was your chance, but you voted for someone else.

Day 4: The 8th vote for Job. Safe and bandwagony.

Day 5: The 4th vote for Uzziah. Now that it is clear he's going down, might as well join in.

Day 6: The first vote for Jacob after Ruth had four. This is your least incriminating vote. I think you just wanted to stay away from what was going down.

I caught Ruth using her voting record. I'll catch you the same way.

I can see Jonathan being a good lynch candidate but I think Pilate is better. I've got a feelin' I'm not the only one.

Hmm, not sure where I stand on Jonathan. I still feel like I can trust Absalom but I don't necessarily trust his gut, and Jon's defenses read genuine and again I'm afraid he's in a similar boat as I was... Idk, I could see him either way. I don't really like that he's no-u'ing on Abs though.

Pilate though. Pilate is not looking good. Wtf even was that last post of his? So weird.

So Jacob, lets have some fun. I amuse myself.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

I read Cain's posts, and thought he was bad. He wasn't. I read Balaam's posts and apparently came to the wrong conclusion about him. I based my case on Ruth solely on voting record and I caught a baddie. I'm taking the voting analysis approach for now. Besides, I did read your posts. I think your mentions of Uzziah are wishy washy and don't mean anything.

If you'd look at MY voting record, you'd see that your accusations against me are misguided at best and those of an evildoer at worst.

What accusations? The accusation that if you lynch me you'll be sorry? That accusation is downright true unless you're not a civ after all.

As for your voting analysis approach I can understand why if you caught Ruth with it you would use it again. But in my case it just doesn't tell the story of whether I'm good or bad.

[Larry David]

1.To the first underlined, why? Why look for that patter.
2. To the second underlined sentence. While he says he's going to follow this post with analysis on all pepople he mentions, he doesn't.

1. In a recent game, I caught 4/5 mafia by looking for that. They had a little bit of distance, but there was always something that kept them all connected regardless of what day it was. Employing that tactic has favored me as of late, but unfortunately it isn't trul worth anything until a baddie is killed. Otherwise it's just wild speculation.

2. I said I was going to dig into them. I didnt say I would do it immediately. I havent had the time yet. But for the moment it will take a backseat to me going back through the votes with Ruth on the brain.

[Young Lady]

Belsh, what make you of Rebecca?

I didn't get much on her so far. Recurrent suspicions (or even votes) on Jeph, on whose flipping Day 1 she built a rather in-depth read on. First to vote Mary on Day 3 - poorly so, as well, simply latching to my objection, so that's a trigger right now, considering that Uzziah's save on that Day is partially confirmed.

Yesterday she came with the hypothesis that Ruth bussed Uzziah Day 5, which turns out to have been true - this would normally make think it can't possibly be a Heathen bussing a Heathen that bussed a Heathen, it would be too dumb of them; then again, she dropped her idea on Ruth and reverted to voting you in the same post. Still, don't think I'm close to a conclusion whether she's bad or not.

I only read her posts again, so let me know if there's anything else I should (re)consider.

[Young Lady]

3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

I don't think we would find out the alignment of Phineas' victim, since Phineas himself won't be made aware. Would ninja killing a Heathen be the same as stoning a Heathen, i.e. Night phase be skipped again? Not sure on that, but I'm inclined to think the answer is no and, thus, we would not find out if the choice was right, even if we create consensus and Phineas would comply.

[dodo]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

So why would lynching you have any bearing on Absalom's alignment?

Belsh, what make you of Rebecca?

I didn't get much on her so far. Recurrent suspicions (or even votes) on Jeph, on whose flipping Day 1 she built a rather in-depth read on. First to vote Mary on Day 3 - poorly so, as well, simply latching to my objection, so that's a trigger right now, considering that Uzziah's save on that Day is partially confirmed.

Yesterday she came with the hypothesis that Ruth bussed Uzziah Day 5, which turns out to have been true - this would normally make think it can't possibly be a Heathen bussing a Heathen that bussed a Heathen, it would be too dumb of them; then again, she dropped her idea on Ruth and reverted to voting you in the same post. Still, don't think I'm close to a conclusion whether she's bad or not.

I only read her posts again, so let me know if there's anything else I should (re)consider.

I found it weird that she came out against Ruth and voted me in the same post. She didn't present much of a reason to vote for me, but plenty of reason to vote Ruth.

[Snapshot]

I personally believe Jacob is a much better bet than Jonathan. Look at Balaam's rainbow list from yesterday. Out of all votes, whose vote is MOST likely to contribute to saving Ruth? I would say Jacob's vote being the third on Rachel when Ruth had five.

Absalom has done a decent job drawing out why Jonathan's voting record could be bad. But for me, the day three vote cuts both ways. You could say 'why didn't you take your chance to lynch Uzziah'. you could also say 'why didn't he take his chance to save Uzziah'. Jonathan's vote would have been a bit of a risk on day three. That's why I wasn't convinced about him earlier. Plus, honestly, I disagree that the day 5 vote it was 'clear Uzziah was going down' when Jonathan voted him.

Jacob, on the other hand... WAS genuine yesterday, especially when he talked about how Ruth had been after Uzziah. I went back and read Ruth. She had continually gone after Uzziah. Great distancing tactic. Also something I'm sure the baddies had talked about in their chat room as being very deliberate distancing on Ruth's part. If Jacob is bad, he would not have any problem recalling Ruth's position on Uzziah. I think Belshazzar is right to have pointed out Jacob suddenly woke up on the subject of Ruth only when it mattered.

I still don't trust Jephthah one bit. He keeps going after Mordecai, something I think distracts from the real candidates who are bad. When I had listed Jacob and Isaac as probably bad and Deborah and Ruth as possibly bad, Jeph suggested I was looking at it backwards and suggested Mordecai instead.

Also, Ruth's vote for Uzz on day 5 was odd if she might have been able to save him with a vote for Jeph. Unless, of course, Jeph was bad.

I went back and read all of Jeph's posts. There is nothing conclusive, but a lot of the same kind of approach that Ruth took. He was talking about Uzziah being possibly bad on nearly every day, but never actually voted on that way (even on the day when he was taking heat and you might have thought he would hold his vote to see if he needed to save himself). The interaction between Jeph and Ruth reads very similar to the interaction between each of those two and Uzziah, distancing could well be being employed.

The best thing in Jeph's favour was his vote for Ruth, but if ever there was an opportune time to vote for a teammate who was going down, that would be it.

And today Jeph sees Jacob as genuine.

Honestly, I think the remaining baddies are

Jacob
Jephthah
One more - possibly Deborah or Malchus.

And I think Jeph is the Pharaoh, the one who is active and sending in the kills.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

So why would lynching you have any bearing on Absalom's alignment?

Sorry I missed this. Maybe I worded that wrong. Lynching me could have a bearing on his perceived alignment in that I am good and it could/would be seen as a black mark on his record. Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe when I flip civ if I'm lynched people will forgive him for getting it wrong. I just don't want anyone to be able to say "she should have defended herself more".

[dodo]

I've looked at my past thoughts about Absalom and can't find anything that's a baddie read for me. But I know not everyone agrees with me on that. If he's good I don't know why he has chosen to attack me without reading my posts. There is a running diary of why I voted some people and not others and Uzziah is mentioned throughout the days - maybe not everyday I haven't checked that but his name pops up a lot in my thoughts about the game. He would get a fuller perspective if he would consider the two in concert.

So why would lynching you have any bearing on Absalom's alignment?

Sorry I missed this. Maybe I worded that wrong. Lynching me could have a bearing on his perceived alignment in that I am good and it could/would be seen as a black mark on his record. Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe when I flip civ if I'm lynched people will forgive him for getting it wrong. I just don't want anyone to be able to say "she should have defended herself more".

Is that why everyone lynched me after being so wrong about Job?
Civvies can be wrong. Why are you implying they can't?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

I'm not implying they can't. I've been wrong this game and I'm a civ. But if he votes for me he is wrong on this round.

[Joe Who?]

Well done! The thread has exploded since last night, so I'm both catching up and processing what's going on and what people think. I'll make more commentary tomorrow, but I figured I'd check in and give myself a placeholder post in case I have pages to read when I get in again :P

[dodo]

I'm not implying they can't. I've been wrong this game and I'm a civ. But if he votes for me he is wrong on this round.

So that means that voting you might make people think he isn't civvie?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

Yes, except it should be lynching me might make some think he isn't civ. Or, as I said before, maybe not - maybe everyone would think 'every civ makes mistakes'. This is a side point though. The main point is that lynching me will not make the rest of the civs happy. I wouldn't just throw that out there if it wasn't true.

[dodo]

I don't understand how that's a defense?

[2 Stupid Dogs]

I don't understand how that's a defense?

It's not a defense. It's just the truth. I already defended my voting.

[Prisoner 509378]

Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

Yes but that's the point of blending in as a baddie. Make each vote seem sensible on each day. We're talking macro now- the big picture. Taking it day by day, sure it looks okay. But looking at it as a whole compared with the moves of two confirmed Heathens, it looks very fishy.

Absalom, after the day I voted for Uzziah Balaam theorized Uzziah was just messing with us and i took note of that observation because I have through the whole game listened to Balaam. Below is my post right before I voted. I had decided to back of Uzziah and try to get a better grip on him.

After giving more though to a Uzziah vote again today I have decided to wait and give that another day or two to develop. He has been silent today (at least I didn't see anything from him) but I don't know if he is laying low or legitimately silenced. I have chosen to go with Lazarus today for the reasons that Mordecai and Balaam brought up today. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he has been silenced but I'm going to take the risk in his case.

Flattery gets you nowhere. Trying to set me up to go down with you gets you lynched.

3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

I don't think we would find out the alignment of Phineas' victim, since Phineas himself won't be made aware. Would ninja killing a Heathen be the same as stoning a Heathen, i.e. Night phase be skipped again? Not sure on that, but I'm inclined to think the answer is no and, thus, we would not find out if the choice was right, even if we create consensus and Phineas would comply.

I wasn't really worried on the knowing aspect of it. We wouldn't know. But we could kill someone we don't like.


Seeing some of the other chatter, here are my thoughts:

Either Jacob and Jonathan are both baddies or Jacob is Heathen and is trying to set Jonathan up after Jacob flips Heathen.

Jacob, Jonathan, and Deborah are still my top 3 suspicions. Need to re-read some more of the quiet folk.

[Prisoner 509378]

Oh, and ditto everything Absalom has been saying. After he caught Ruth and dropped the mic, the guy is on fire.