The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[Black Rock]

Black Rock, who are you looking at today now that rabbit is dead?

Probably FZ. I have no solid read on her this game and she seems to be phoning it in right now.

linki: MM I want you to think about one thing. How was he silenced day 9? It wasn't the silencing role.

[Marmot]

Black Rock, who are you looking at today now that rabbit is dead?

Probably FZ. I have no solid read on her this game and she seems to be phoning it in right now.

linki: MM I want you to think about one thing. How was he silenced day 9? It wasn't the silencing role.

Oh, I see. I forgot about that.

Well, it was still the silencing role, just indirectly, right?

[Black Rock]

Black Rock, who are you looking at today now that rabbit is dead?

Probably FZ. I have no solid read on her this game and she seems to be phoning it in right now.

linki: MM I want you to think about one thing. How was he silenced day 9? It wasn't the silencing role.

Oh, I see. I forgot about that.

Well, it was still the silencing role, just indirectly, right?

Right, but it does punch a hole in your theory. It was more by accident than intentional to try and get him lynched.

[Marmot]

Black Rock, who are you looking at today now that rabbit is dead?

Probably FZ. I have no solid read on her this game and she seems to be phoning it in right now.

linki: MM I want you to think about one thing. How was he silenced day 9? It wasn't the silencing role.

Oh, I see. I forgot about that.

Well, it was still the silencing role, just indirectly, right?

Right, but it does punch a hole in your theory. It was more by accident than intentional to try and get him lynched.

Ok, who was silenced on Day 8? Bass?

So Bass targeted timmer that on Night 8?

[Black Rock]

So it would seem. Only he can confirm that though. I'm surprised though, given his limited amount of targets.

[Black Rock]

oh my, those thoughs read awful

[Marmot]

So it would seem. Only he can confirm that though. I'm surprised though, given his limited amount of targets.

My brain hurts again. I thought I was starting to figure things out.

Guess I will sleep on it tonight and try again tomorrow.

For the record, I think there are three Old Rogues left alive. I will not yet say who I think they are.

[Black Rock]

So it would seem. Only he can confirm that though. I'm surprised though, given his limited amount of targets.

My brain hurts again. I thought I was starting to figure things out.

Guess I will sleep on it tonight and try again tomorrow.

For the record, I think there are three Old Rogues left alive. I will not yet say who I think they are.

I'm more positive than that.

[Marmot]

I also can't remember the last time I made it to Day 10 alive, without having an unkillable role, or replacing, or being rezzed, etc. This might be a first for me.

Linki: More positive than what?

[Black Rock]

I also can't remember the last time I made it to Day 10 alive, without having an unkillable role, or replacing, or being rezzed, etc. This might be a first for me.

Linki: More positive than what?

I read it wrong, it's time for me to go to bed. I thought you said New Rogues, I had to reread it.

[Marmot]

I also can't remember the last time I made it to Day 10 alive, without having an unkillable role, or replacing, or being rezzed, etc. This might be a first for me.

Linki: More positive than what?

I read it wrong, it's time for me to go to bed. I thought you said New Rogues, I had to reread it.

Likewise.

[Golden]

I also can't remember the last time I made it to Day 10 alive, without having an unkillable role, or replacing, or being rezzed, etc. This might be a first for me.

For interests sake, I thought I'd see if I have ever made it to day 10 alive

Won on day 8
Lynched on day 8
won on day 8
subbed out of a game and my replacement made it to day 10...

Apparently not

[Draconus]

I don't trust anyone, tbh. I think there was one Old Rogue left aside from me, and I think he may have been recruited. I think all of you are anti me

I most suspect Sophie. She is not thinking for herself, she is parroting. Civ Sophie ALWAYS thinks for herself, even when she is not right. Sophie is following a party line. Or shes part of a group that will set LC up to take the fall after I am lynched Old Rogue.

I think I've figured out what role Sophie is, but I will not elaborate too much for her sake. It reenforces my opinion that we should not vote for her.

I think svs, timmer, soneji, rabbit might be bad

Sophie, do you still suspect SVS and Timmer? I'm more curious about SVS right now. I think someone's been staying on the fence quite a lot this game to avoid death.

[Draconus]

MM, I do agree with you about Timmer. I'm feeling a bit better about him after TH's flip. There was clearly framework and attempts to get civ cred from Timmer's lynch going on there. I apologize if you've already elaborated, but can you explain your LC suspicion in case I've missed it? I'll look again real quick.

[Marmot]

MM, I do agree with you about Timmer. I'm feeling a bit better about him after TH's flip. There was clearly framework and attempts to get civ cred from Timmer's lynch going on there. I apologize if you've already elaborated, but can you explain your LC suspicion in case I've missed it? I'll look again real quick.

TBH, it is an indirect suspicion. There are so many players that I have pegged for either Old or Indy Rogues (or Detectives), that I've narrowed it down to three players.

FZ.
Black Rock
Long Con

I did a reread of Long Con and Black Rock last night, and from a feelings perspective, didn't get much out of it. Black Rock also played a part in the lynching of Turnip Head the other day. The one thing we should keep in mind is that Blacksmith (and any other baddies) would not have BTSC with the Top because of the secrets in Blacksmith's role. The Blacksmith would be dead if she found the Top at night. So what I'm trying to say is the Black Rock may not have known that Turnip Head was the Top, but that is a powerful ally-mate to try to get lynched.

As for FZ, I forget why I decided I didn't suspect her the most, but I don't. I'll reread her again.

Long Con I know can be a tricksy player, and he is next on my reread list.

[Marmot]

EBWOP: I reread FZ and Black Rock last night, not Long Con.

[Draconus]

Okay, thanks. I don't have much experience with LC, but I've been feeling really good about him all game.
Also, I've been suspecting FZ to be an Indie. She's been playing the "very confused" card a lot and I have to say, it has felt pretty genuine to me. But from my personal use of this card in the past, I can certainly say that it's easy to skate by using this tactic while the more "sure" players get lynched or do the lynching/hunting.

[FZ.]

First of all, not that I'm complaining, but why wasn't there a kill tonight? I thought someone inherited Top's kill. Does it mean we only have non killing new rogues alive?

Second, I'm not a new rogue.

Third, I kept telling you I don't think TH would defend another baddie so strongly, which is why I keep doubting TImmer is an new rogue.

BR has gone after TH longer than any of us, so I doubt she would be an old rogue.

As for LC, like I said, he seems the most helpful, and at times it feels like he's the most trust worthy one of them all, but when you break it down to finding baddies, I don't think he's found any, nor was he one of the first voters for any of them.

I kind of believe SVS about being an old rogue, but I keep wondering why she talks about recruitment so much.

No clue about Devine. And MM and Sofie seem to be on the same page. Sofie, how much do you trust MM?




Since the host hasn't updated the first page in a very long time, can anyone tell me please what happened to all the players who died and don't have a description near their name. If lynched, what role were they. Thanks.

[Marmot]

I'll post one for you FZ. Give me a few minutes.

[FZ.]

I'll post one for you FZ. Give me a few minutes.

Thanks

[Marmot]

AceofSpaces - Lynched Day 4 (Professor Zoom)
Bass_the_Clever 1.0 - Lynched Day 2 (Double-Down)
birdwithteeth11 Bass_the_Clever 2.0
Black Rock
blindfaeth - Lynched Day 3.2 (Golden Glider)
Bullzeye - Killed Night 4 by ????? *
DFaraday - Jailed Night 1 by Wally West
DharmaHelper - Killed Night 3 by Captain Cold
Elohcin timmer
Epignosis - Killed Night 2 by Captain Cold
fingersplints - Killed Night 1 by Gorilla Grodd
FZ.
ika Devin the Omniscient
Long Con
Made DREAM - Lynched Day 6 (Gorilla Grodd)
Metalmarsh89
rabbit8 - Jailed Night 9 by Wally West
reywas MovingPictures07 - Lynched Day 5 (Rainbow Raider)
Roxy - Jailed Night 3 by Wally West
Soneji - Lynched Day 9 (Abra Kadabra)
Sophie
Spacedaisy - Killed Night 6 by ????? **
S~V~S
thellama73 - Lynched Day 1 (Barry Allen) - Rezzed Day 3.1 - Killed Night 7 by Attack Drone ????? ***
Turnip Head - Lynched Day 8 (The Top)

* It appears that Bullzeye could have been killed by two parties, but neither killer is specified. Link

** No killer is specified in Spacedaisy's kill, but it likes like a combo redirect. It seems that the Top targeted someone, who had a trap set on them by the Trickster, the kill was reversed back to the Top, then redirected to a random target, Spacedaisy. Link

*** thellama73 was killed by an attack drone. While the owner of the attack drone is not specified, the post indicates that Professor Zoom may have been behind the kill. Link

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Lynch Results

Day 1 - thellama73 is lynched (Barry Allen)
Day 2 - Bass_the_Clever 1.0 is lynched (Double-Down)
Day 3.1 - ?????
Day 3.2 - blindfaeth is lynched (Golden Glider)
Day 4 - AceofSpaces is lynched (Professor Zoom)
Day 5 - MovingPictures07 is lynched (Rainbow Rider) - Tie between timmer and MovingPictures07
Day 6 - DREAM is lynched (Gorilla Grodd)
Day 7 - No one is lynched - Tie between timmer and Metalmarsh89
Day 8 - Turnip Head is lynched (The Top)
Day 9 - Soneji is lynched (Abra Kadabra)

[S~V~S]

I talk about recruitment so much because I have reason to believe it could be a factor in this game. And I had clear roles in mind for a few people, and they started acting contrarily to what I might expect.

FZ, can you tell me why you believe me now when I seem to have been a question mark for you the whole game (indeed, you even qualified that statement with the "but why..." bit).

[Marmot]

I talk about recruitment so much because I have reason to believe it could be a factor in this game. And I had clear roles in mind for a few people, and they started acting contrarily to what I might expect.

FZ, can you tell me why you believe me now when I seem to have been a question mark for you the whole game (indeed, you even qualified that statement with the "but why..." bit).

SVS, who has started acting contrarily to you?

The recruiting you are talking about could just be Blacksmith.

[Marmot]

I also want to talk about Blacksmith's possible Role Secrets again, since no one wanted to a few days ago.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power a BTSC and she will die.

It doesn't look grammatically correct, but I think this is an important piece of the puzzle. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Are the secrets correct, or a little different perhaps? If this is correct, it seems to me that Turnip Head never gained BTSC with the other New Rogues (via Blacksmith), and it is especially evident since the Top tried to kill Girder on Night 7.

Or, I guess there's the possibility that Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and the Turnip Head killed him when Bullzeye searched TH. That would explain the lack of a killer's name being shown, and the second attempt on Blacksmith's life on Night 4.

[FZ.]

Thanks for the list MM! I remembered someone was bad and couldn't decide if it was Dream or not.

SVS, I don't know why. Just gut I guess. Could be wrong. Why, are you lying? :P Seriously though, I do think there are 3 old rouges left, and I think two of them could be you and Timmer. Last time I went with believing a baddie defended another baddie so strongly, which is something I rarely do, we ended up losing the game for the civvies. TH defended TImmer, so I think Timmer could be good, and if he is, and he keeps saying he thinks he knows who you are, I'm leaning on believing him for now.

The only people I have no idea who they could be, at this point, are MM, Devin, LC and BR.

Like I said, BR was the one convincing us TH is bad, so I'm taking her off the list.

MM could have gone after easier targets than LC, so I'm thinking this is really what he believes. In addition, I think he could be related to llama as well.

It leaves me with LC and Devin. TH wanted to vote for Devin. I'm not sure who convinced who to vote for Devin, TH or Timmer, but unless there was some serious distancing going on because TH knew he was going down, I doubt it's Devin. Still not sure.

Which leaves me with LC, which like I said, looks really trust worthy most of the time, but when you get down to business and look at his voting record, I see nothing that says civvie, and I realize he could have said and done everything to look like he's on the good side.

[FZ.]

I also want to talk about Blacksmith's possible Role Secrets again, since no one wanted to a few days ago.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power a BTSC and she will die.

It doesn't look grammatically correct, but I think this is an important piece of the puzzle. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Are the secrets correct, or a little different perhaps? If this is correct, it seems to me that Turnip Head never gained BTSC with the other New Rogues (via Blacksmith), and it is especially evident since the Top tried to kill Girder on Night 7.

Or, I guess there's the possibility that Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and the Turnip Head killed him when Bullzeye searched TH. That would explain the lack of a killer's name being shown, and the second attempt on Blacksmith's life on Night 4.

Something is not right with the"a BTSC" because a, it's not grammatically correct, and b. there can't be another A. Maybe it's a number?

[Marmot]

Power + BTSC?

A symbol?

[FZ.]

MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

[Marmot]

I do. Hold on a sec.

Might as well lay it all on the table.

[FZ.]

What I mean is, what exactly happened on night 7? You didn't write anything about that in your list earlier. I'm sorry I don't remember

[Marmot]

MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

TH was the Top right? If Blacksmith had found him, that means she would have died on one of the nights when she did find him. So unless Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and found TH on Night 4, TH never gained BTSC with the group of baddies through the expected method.

[Marmot]

What I mean is, what exactly happened on night 7? You didn't write anything about that in your list earlier. I'm sorry I don't remember

I thought about making a list. Perhaps I will if I have the time to.

[Marmot]

MM, do you also have the list of role secrets you or others solved?

linki: Yep, that could be. I'm still not sure I get your point on TH not getting BTSC. Why?

TH was the Top right? If Blacksmith had found him, that means she would have died on one of the nights when she did find him. So unless Bullzeye was Blacksmith, and found TH on Night 4, TH never gained BTSC with the group of baddies through the expected method.

This is super-hypothetical of course.

Blacksmith could very well be alive. But who inherited TH's kill? MR's earlier answer implied that a teammate would gain the kill.

[FZ.]

Are we ruling SD out because it looks more like the Trickster's doing?
Also, do you think Bullzeye would have voted for himself if he was blacksmith?

[FZ.]

Now that I think about it, could he (Bullz) have been forced to vote himself? If TH didn't know he was bad, he could have made him do that

[Marmot]

Are we ruling SD out because it looks more like the Trickster's doing?
Also, do you think Bullzeye would have voted for himself if he was blacksmith?

No idea. His vote didn't mean anything. And I guess I am forgetting about Daisy because of the Trickster thing.

Now that I think about it, it makes more sense that Blacksmith never did find TH. Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things, and TH probably wouldn't have attempted to kill someone that he had not already checked if he had taken over for Blacksmith.

Thanks for discussing this. I do feel like we're starting to iron out some questions I've had.

Linki: That's possible, but I think that was the same day that BR was mind-controlled.

[FZ.]

No problem, and I didn't think about it being BR's night.

Is your suspicion of LC new, or did you think about it before? Because I don't remember people really talking about LC. Even last day, when I tried to talk about him, no one answered but him. What changed your mind?

[Long Con]

For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

[Long Con]

Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things...

Perhaps TH tried to get Girder lynched for cred... I will have a look at his posts after Night 7.

[Marmot]

Because TH kill Girder on Night 7 (or tried to anyway) by the looks of things...

Perhaps TH tried to get Girder lynched for cred... I will have a look at his posts after Night 7.

Devin?

[FZ.]

For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

LC, I know my record is not impressive either, though I've voted for some of the baddies at an early stage. But I actually know I'm not bad, so the people I'm looking at, are not me.

Not sure I get your calculation regarding the old rogues. What does Captain's cold kills have to do with how many there are left? Why couldn't CC kill any other roles?

[Long Con]

Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

[Marmot]

For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

The Golden Glider was lynched Day 3, and Captain Cold killed his second time on Night 3, so there could still be 3 Old Rogues left. Two of them I feel certain about, the other one is merely a possibility.

And no, I don't think Professor Zoom is still alive. I think that his nightkill of llama on Day 7 was a posthumous one. The flavor in the kill seemed to me that is the case. It could go either way though. I just don't think Professor Zoom is still alive, because clearly Wally West (the other Flash) is still alive.

[Long Con]

What do you think of FZ, timmer? She's on my shortlist of Top suspects. We haven't heard from her in quite a while but no one's been looking at her.

That's what I found for TH suspects on Day 8... and he also echoes Timmer's suspicion of Devin after Timmer brought it up as well.

[Marmot]

THE OLD ROGUES (6)

Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will gain a night kill for his own use.

Heat Wave – A pyromaniac and one of Cold’s closest allies. He has BTSC with Captain Cold. Twice per game, he may start a fire at a location in his ~~~~~e. The fire will destroy the location and will ~a~e ~ar~~~~ e~~~~~s of players who are currently in that location.

Mirror Master – A mercenary who has access to the Mirror Realm. He can spy on a player during odd nights. If he is checked, he will appear as a different and random role. In fact, he’s so skilled at creating ~~~~s~~~s that even if he is lynched, he will appear as someone else.

Weather Wizard – Nature’s fury in the form of a disgruntled, wand-wielding father. Once per game (each), he may force the day to end early and the night to end early.

The Trickster – The most inexperienced Rogue and a notorious prank enthusiast. Leaves a “trap” on one player during even nights. If that player is targeted, the action is reversed.

THE INDEPENDENT ROGUES (6)

Captain Boomerang – Most heroes and villains alike consider him to be a bit unpredictable. He can throw a boomerang every night. The boomerang has a fifty percent chance to target the target’s ~e~~ ~~~~~ ~~~e. If it doesn’t, then Captain Boomerang’s ~~~~~ ~~~e ~~~~ ~e ~~~~~~~e~ ~~s~ea~.

Abra Kadabra – He is a stage magician who uses futuristic technology to put on the greatest show on Earth. As such, he has a bevy of powers at his disposal. Once each, he can: insanify, power-switch, role block, power steal, silence, survive a kill, survive a lynch, or resurrect another player.

Doctor Alchemy – May use his Philosopher’s Stone to observe up to three different players per game. For each player he checks, he gains their power for a time, but they are also given a random power.

Magenta – She is a former love interest of Wally West and has magnetic abilities. She can prevent one lynch during the game. If she does, she will gain BTSC with the Detectives.

Rainbow Raider – He targets a player each night to fire a beam of colored light at. If the beam hits an Old or Independent Rogue whose signature color matches the beam, the two will gain BTSC for a day. If these conditions are not met, the targeted player ~a~~~~ ~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~ for a day.

THE NEW ROGUES (7)

The Top – He may spin… really fast. Night kills directed at him will be redirected at a random player. His spinning abilities somehow gave him the power to mind control as well. Every night, he may choose a player to act as he wishes during the next day.

Blacksmith – Searches to build her own group of Rogues. Every night she may search a player. If that player is a New Rogue, she will gain BTSC with them. However, if she searches and finds the Secret Role, that player will take over her power + BTSC and she will die.

Murmur – He is an insane doctor who developed a “frenzy virus”. On odd nights, Murmur will select a player. That player is silenced during the next day. If the targeted player targets another character during their next night, then the effect of the virus passes ~~~~ to him/her.

Girder – A man transformed into pure metal. Girder cannot be night killed.

Tar Pit – A Rogue whose body is composed of sticky, molten tar. Players who occupy the same location as Tar Pit cannot move to a new location to perform actions until he leaves.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights. Like Mirror Master, he will not appear as his role if he is checked.

Double Down – A compulsive gambler whose skin is covered in cursed playing cards. He ~~s~ ~~a~e a ~e~ ~~ ~~~~~ player ~e ~~~~~s ~~~~ ~e ~~~~~e~. ~~ ~e ~s ~~rre~~, ~e ~~~~ ~e re~ar~e~. ~~ ~e ~s ~~~~rre~~, ~e ~~~~ ~e ~e~a~~~e~.

THE "ARCH-VILLAINS" (3)

Professor Zoom (???????) – He wants to kill the Flash family more than anything else in the world. He’ll search every even night for a Flash. ~~ ~~ ~~~~s ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~, ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~.

Zoom (????????) – He thinks he can make all the other heroes and villains “better”. Each odd night he will Protect one player. That player will be randomly rewarded or penalized as well. If Zoom protects Wally, one of Wally’s teammates will randomly die. ?????????

Gorilla Grodd (????????) – He wants Keystone and Central City all for himself and his gorilla empire. He is the Serial Killer ~~~ ~s ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~. ~~~~~s~ ~~ ~~~~~’s ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~, ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~s ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~’~~ ~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~.

[Long Con]

For the record, since you have tried to pin a bad voting record on me several times today FZ... I was the first one to accuse Bass of being a baddie, and he was Double Down, a New Rogue. How does that compare to your voting record? Since you brought it up so insistently, which baddies did you find?

If you guys have so many people cleared in your minds that it leaves only me, then you're doing something wrong. I am not a New Rogue. If Rabbit was a New Rogue, then I think that there's likely two left... maybe one, maybe three, but I'm going with two as the most likely. It's not Bass, it's not Sophie. I don't think it's Black Rock. It may be S~V~S, Timmer, MM, FZ, or Devin. It's not me.

As far as I can remember, S~V~S, Timmer, and Metalmarsh have all claimed Old Rogue. Captain Cold killed twice, so that means that two Old Rogues had died. Roxy was Captain Cold, and is dead. Golden Glider is dead. That means there is a MAXIMUM of two Old Rogues left alive. Someone is lying.

If Professor Zoom killed Llama, then that means that he is still alive out there. Which means that when we lynched Aces, he wasn't Professor Zoom, he was Mirror Master. Which would mean there is only ONE Old Rogue left alive, and more false role claimers.

I have claimed nothing, Long Con.

It really felt like you were trying to claim Mirror Master recently. You even winked when you said it.

[Long Con]

Captain Boomerang – Most heroes and villains alike consider him to be a bit unpredictable. He can throw a boomerang every night. The boomerang has a fifty percent chance to cancel the target’s next lynch vote. If it doesn’t, then Captain Boomerang’s lynch vote will be cancelled instead.

[FZ.]

Captain Cold – He’s the strict and no-nonsense leader of The Rogues. He can use his “Cold Field” to Role Block a player each night. He has BTSC with Heat Wave. Captain Cold is all about “the score”. If an Old Rogue is night killed, he will have a night kill for his own use.

Are we sure about this? And if so, are you sure there's only one left?


linki: Thanks for the list. Going to look at it

[Marmot]

I haven't really touched the lynched baddies in the role secrets.

Nor have I listed the Detective's secrets as I have discovered them. I think it would be detrimental to them.

[FZ.]

MM, you said you think there are more old rogues. Based on what?