The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[Turnip Head]

Rezz plz!!!

[Bass_the_Clever]

Also, what happened to it when he was lynched? I was so hoping to get it. Instead I had to figure out how I could get a kill.

I have no clue.

Are we in postgame now? Are we waiting on anything?

I ccant wait for postgame because I have some questions.

[Marmot]

But seriously, Sophie and I are out, and everyone else wins right?

Is there something I'm missing?

[Black Rock]

Also, what happened to it when he was lynched? I was so hoping to get it. Instead I had to figure out how I could get a kill.

I have no clue.

Are we in postgame now? Are we waiting on anything?

I ccant wait for postgame because I have some questions.

I have a million questions, there is so much I don't know and didn't understand.

[Marmot]

Dont be like that.

:P

I was kidding. I don't blame you. I considered NKing you in LMS afterall.

I needed you in LMS I have no shot against the whores.

I know. It hurt so much to watch you get annihilated in that game. It brought tears to my eyes.

[Black Rock]

Also, what happened to it when he was lynched? I was so hoping to get it. Instead I had to figure out how I could get a kill.

I have no clue.

Are we in postgame now? Are we waiting on anything?

Your death? Sophies too I guess. I assume there is a reason for the night. Do you have any extra tricks? I'm all out of tricks.

[Marmot]

We have 0 tricks. I've had a lonely time on the map. I don't even know if my movements have been received.

[Long Con]

We have 0 tricks. I've had a lonely time on the map. I don't even know if my movements have been received.

Indeed... MR was a busy guy, this is why having a co-host is important.

I want to talk about the game! I want postgame time now. I don't want to continue the game and have Plunder NK you and then lynch Sophie... it's done.

[Marmot]

We have 0 tricks. I've had a lonely time on the map. I don't even know if my movements have been received.

Indeed... MR was a busy guy, this is why having a co-host is important.

I want to talk about the game! I want postgame time now. I don't want to continue the game and have Plunder NK you and then lynch Sophie... it's done.

Sounds cool with me.

[Marmot]

Unless...

Looking back, I think Sophie and I can actually win if Plunder is dead, but I am unsure.

[Long Con]

Unless...

Looking back, I think Sophie and I can actually win if Plunder is dead, but I am unsure.

Well, you win if Plunder and all the other New Rogues are dead... did you say that right?

[Marmot]

Unless...

Looking back, I think Sophie and I can actually win if Plunder is dead, but I am unsure.

Well, you win if Plunder and all the other New Rogues are dead... did you say that right?

No, we just have to stop the New Rogues from their killing ways. I've only just thought about this now.

[Marmot]

Never mind, I'm reaching.



White flag of "I-give-the-fuck-up" going up over here.

[Long Con]

Unless...

Looking back, I think Sophie and I can actually win if Plunder is dead, but I am unsure.

Well, you win if Plunder and all the other New Rogues are dead... did you say that right?

No, we just have to stop the New Rogues from their killing ways. I've only just thought about this now.

Well, damn, then you won on Night 1... if only Black Rock hadn't figured out how to get the nightkill back. We were desperate, and all the host said was that there was a way. Finally, she figured that Iron Heights must be the way, and she started making her way there.

[Long Con]

One thing I don't know is who killed Bullzeye. Grodd (rock bash head, gotta be)... but the other one wasn't Plunder. I wonder if he was Tar Pit.

[Marmot]

I don't think it actually means that. It's just the way I reworded it (to avoid quoting PMs).

But I guess it is ambiguous, and I have no idea what the secret to the Gem Cities is.

Linki: was timmer a New Rogue?

[Long Con]

I was too busy and too "phone posting" to do something I had planned... would have been ideal just after BR posted to Bass in the thread and outed herself.





Timmer was Mirror Master. He was telling the truth. Roxy got a kill from Golden Glider's lynch, OR someone else got a kill in a map-based way (like the Llama Attack Drone ).

And while that detail made a big difference at a close-to-endgame point, I would like to put it out there right now that we had already played our asses off to get to that point, AND:

Rogue Rules

1. "Rogues Don't Snitch" - No BTSC unless otherwise specified. Role-outing or otherwise publicly revealing information that you've obtained on your own is strictly prohibited.

The only reason it made a difference is BECAUSE of the role-outing, so it really should not have been a factor... right?

[Long Con]

For instance, there's a Costume Shop where you can get Old Rogue costume. Try and kill BR right now, and you'll get struck by Weather Wizard lightning due to her costume. So maybe someone got the Captain Cold costume and used it for a kill. Wasn't us, we don't know that answer for sure.

[timmer]

My level of frustration in this game was so high that I got very sloppy with the rules, I fully acknowledge the fail of it all.

[Marmot]

Who was penalized for role-outing? I did my darndest not to.



And yes, that was a huge bug to throw us all off at the end of the game.

Btw, Epignosis was Tar Pit, so I was right about him.

[Turnip Head]

You guys are having all the fun without the deadies

[timmer]

Kudos to the New Rogues. You played a perfectly calibrated game; never too chatty, never too quiet, always in every conversation but never the topic OF the conversation. And with no kill? It's a real triumph, my hat's off to you all!

[Marmot]

We threw in the towel. We didn't see a point in waiting.

Should we wait?

[Marmot]

I guess from a host perspective, it is more respectful to let them end it.

[Long Con]

My level of frustration in this game was so high that I got very sloppy with the rules, I fully acknowledge the fail of it all.

I wonder what would have happened if you and BR had had a full time of BTSC at the Saloon? We would have had to continue with the silver-tongued desperation talk that the last phase of our game consisted of, but that would have been a damn tough one at that time, since you knew what was what, to a degree.

Linki: I think that Mister Rearranger will be cool with this, especially if you guys don't have some great trick up your sleeves as you say.

[Long Con]

Kudos to the New Rogues. You played a perfectly calibrated game; never too chatty, never too quiet, always in every conversation but never the topic OF the conversation. And with no kill? It's a real triumph, my hat's off to you all!

Thank you, we have rarely played a game that we are more proud of.

[Marmot]

Kudos to the New Rogues. You played a perfectly calibrated game; never too chatty, never too quiet, always in every conversation but never the topic OF the conversation. And with no kill? It's a real triumph, my hat's off to you all!

I'm sorry timmer. I was convinced you were lying, and just making things up to stay alive. I knew SVS was an Old Rogue, and so didn't believe a word you said.

So did Roxy kill twice, or did Bass borrow a kill from her?

[Turnip Head]

I don't think I qualify for the win but I had a lot of fun this game. Something I've wanted to say for a long time is that I never mind controlled MP the day he went crazy. That was all him! I was cracking up!

[Long Con]

Kudos to the New Rogues. You played a perfectly calibrated game; never too chatty, never too quiet, always in every conversation but never the topic OF the conversation. And with no kill? It's a real triumph, my hat's off to you all!

I'm sorry timmer. I was convinced you were lying, and just making things up to stay alive. I knew SVS was an Old Rogue, and so didn't believe a word you said.

So did Roxy kill twice, or did Bass borrow a kill from her?

Our prevailing theory is that Roxy got a kill from the Golden Glider lynch.

And oh my God, Roxy died in Star Labs. You guys killed her. You don't even know how crucial that was. Star Labs, guys... I'll wait to tell you the juicy details until after the game is officially ended, but I'll say this: we did play a good game in-thread, but our map-game was equally good, and equally essential to our victory. All in all, I estimate about 15 decisions we made throughout the game were all essential to get to where we are right now, and half of them were taking advantage of the map and what we had found. Who knew Bass had owned a car?

[Marmot]

I don't think I qualify for the win but I had a lot of fun this game. Something I've wanted to say for a long time is that I never mind controlled MP the day he went crazy. That was all him! I was cracking up!

Oh I know. But it was a good argument to try to save him.


And geez civvies, I know I've done a bit of self-voting lately, but not as a decisive suicidal lynching method. And it happened TWICE this game, and Bullzeye probably would have done the same.

[Marmot]

I did jackshit on the map. Zero. Nada. I moved, but there was never anything interesting where I moved.

[Long Con]

I don't think I qualify for the win but I had a lot of fun this game. Something I've wanted to say for a long time is that I never mind controlled MP the day he went crazy. That was all him! I was cracking up!

What a crazy factor he was, tossed in there with his wacky ideas.

I think it's kind of ironic that I made a big statement about how the Indy Rogues will simply side with the Civvies in this game, definitely... and then later we hatched a plan to bring Bass to our side, because we knew he was Indy.

[timmer]

After awhile, I just stayed in the saloon and drank myself into a stupor.

[Long Con]

I did jackshit on the map. Zero. Nada. I moved, but there was never anything interesting where I moved.

My goal from Day 1 was to get to Star Labs. That was the first very good decision I made, without it, we would not be where we are today. Llama would be alive, and we would be goners.

[Marmot]

Kudos to the New Rogues. You played a perfectly calibrated game; never too chatty, never too quiet, always in every conversation but never the topic OF the conversation. And with no kill? It's a real triumph, my hat's off to you all!

I'm sorry timmer. I was convinced you were lying, and just making things up to stay alive. I knew SVS was an Old Rogue, and so didn't believe a word you said.

So did Roxy kill twice, or did Bass borrow a kill from her?

Our prevailing theory is that Roxy got a kill from the Golden Glider lynch.

And oh my God, Roxy died in Star Labs. You guys killed her. You don't even know how crucial that was. Star Labs, guys... I'll wait to tell you the juicy details until after the game is officially ended, but I'll say this: we did play a good game in-thread, but our map-game was equally good, and equally essential to our victory. All in all, I estimate about 15 decisions we made throughout the game were all essential to get to where we are right now, and half of them were taking advantage of the map and what we had found. Who knew Bass had owned a car?

Yup, we killed two of the killers by Day 4.

We tried to kill TH on Night 5, but we the weather turned sour. We tried to kill him again on Night 7.

[Marmot]

After awhile, I just stayed in the saloon and drank myself into a stupor.

I did jackshit on the map. Zero. Nada. I moved, but there was never anything interesting where I moved.

My goal from Day 1 was to get to Star Labs. That was the first very good decision I made, without it, we would not be where we are today. Llama would be alive, and we would be goners.

I sent the same movement in 3 days in a row because I never got a response, so I had just assumed that I missed the move deadline or something.

[Long Con]

We tried to kill him again on Night 7.

I know... I had asked the host, out of curiosity, who would have died that night since the Trickster wasn't supposed to trap someone on odd nights. He said it was TH, and I guess the kill would have been randomly redirected to someone who would die just like poor Spacedaisy. So we can't really predict how it would have affected the outcome. Maybe Pied Piper would have died, maybe Murmur.

[Turnip Head]

I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.

[Long Con]

I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.

Is your body there? MR forgot to mention it to me. I've been there for a couple of days now, hiding behind a hologram that would have absorbed a night kill against me.

[Turnip Head]

I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.

Is your body there? MR forgot to mention it to me. I've been there for a couple of days now, hiding behind a hologram that would have absorbed a night kill against me.

Actually I think I died in the square right beside it. Did you get my message?

[Marmot]

Only one baddie killed after Day 3? That's pretty dismal.

[timmer]

This game was probably the most complicated I've ever played, with the number of items/secrets/location secrets easily greater than anything I've ever seen. While I know MR had some time issues and there were some problems, I still give him props for trying such an ambitious, massive concept of a game! This was difficult to play but very invigorating, and in the end, a reminder that proper play can be done even in the face of near-blatant info dumping!

[Long Con]

I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.

Is your body there? MR forgot to mention it to me. I've been there for a couple of days now, hiding behind a hologram that would have absorbed a night kill against me.

Actually I think I died in the square right beside it. Did you get my message?

I don't think I did.

This game was probably the most complicated I've ever played, with the number of items/secrets/location secrets easily greater than anything I've ever seen. While I know MR had some time issues and there were some problems, I still give him props for trying such an ambitious, massive concept of a game! This was difficult to play but very invigorating, and in the end, a reminder that proper play can be done even in the face of near-blatant info dumping!

Agreed! Instead of trying to prevent role-hinting and claiming, I think hosts should just add elements to the game to foil such things. Baddies with a dead role check, Seemers, role-checker-trickers, role-checks that can give false info, etc.

[Long Con]

Anyways, I have to get to bed. In the true post-game, I want to make a full synopsis of the game from our perspective with all the details through the whole game. It was a wild ride, and I think it will be an interesting read. If the game ends now, and I think it will, then I'll be able to put it together late tomorrow night... roughly 22 hours from now.

Good night!

[Golden]

I wanted sophie to win :sulk:

[FZ.]

I wanted to win my last game before my break

Anyway, you all played a great game. When I kept asking LC what he thought about BR, I thought one of them could be bad. Never considered the option that both would be

The stupid "only 2 old rogues left" claim. I think that's basically what ended the game. Because no matter how genuine I felt Timmer was, we couldn't get passed it. And then, when the Pied Piper got information, we had no choice but to trust it.

I do think the lack of killing and BTSC played out well for you guys, because of everything MM said already, but LC, I think you played a brilliant game, and the rest did a great job as well. Well played!

But if I ever come back to play mafia, you better watch your back at all times :P

MR, what a crazy and fun game! Thanks

[Sophie]

I wanted sophie to win :sulk:

[Sophie]

New rogues, you played a FANTASTIC game .You had me confused all game. And LC, man, i trusted you most of the game, except at the last days, mostly cause mm convince me not to trust you. I feel so stupid. Would wanna say more about this but will wait till post game

[Marmot]

Oh hey, today is MR's birthday.

Happy Birthday MR

[Draconus]

Well played all! Believe it or not you detectives had us scrambling when you wanted to vote me or LC towards the end. You had us thinking on our toes. I owe this victory to LC and BR's quick thinking and overall knowledge of map mechanics. I won't say more until post game.

Linki: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR!!!!