MINECRAFT - DAY SIX

#1251

EBWOP: I knew how I survived

#1252

Ambray wrote:The fact that I had said I knew I had survived and you never gave any kind've dispute against it just made me believe it more, hence why I continued after BWT. But coming back today and seeing your posts, well like I say...it's thrown me.

Okay. This is interesting.

#1253

Hmm. :o

#1254

Something's not adding up here. Perhaps there is some other unknown factor playing into this.

#1255

BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.

#1256

Alright. I think I can safely say that I have no clue what is going on anymore.

I'm going to read up a bit more tonight and do some more tomorrow before work. Hopefully it will end with voting for a baddie.

Edit: What the....how could I be Hero?

#1257

MovingPictures07 wrote:BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.

Yeah that's my thought. :o If he's not, either Ambray isn't being totally truthful or I don't know.

#1258

Let me think on this. I wish I could ask FH and Ambray both a little more, but I can't, plus it might be unwise even if I could.

#1259

MovingPictures07 wrote:BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.

There is definitely something else going on here. I realize that your play style involves making very confident deductions, but you are sometimes off base, as you are here.

#1260

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.
There is definitely something else going on here. I realize that your play style involves making very confident deductions, but you are sometimes off base, as you are here.

You think BWT is civvie?

#1261

#1262

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:BWT is Hero then. He has to be. Unless there's something else going on here.
There is definitely something else going on here. I realize that your play style involves making very confident deductions, but you are sometimes off base, as you are here.

What makes you say that? Are you confident I'm off base?

#1263

MP are you feeling Llama is civvie from his posts alone??

#1264

Ambray wrote:MP are you feeling Llama is civvie from his posts alone??

Yes. I have nothing other than gut.

#1265

Ambray wrote: You think BWT is civvie?

Yes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Are you confident I'm off base?

Yes.

#1266

Do you have reason beyond anything stated at any point in this thread in that assumption?

You don't have to elaborate more than that, and you shouldn't, but I need to at least know that.

#1267

I'm looking at the roles and unless something is going on in the secrets that I obviously don't know about and MP is saying he didn't protect me..then dangnamit, I was right to believe what I did.

Llama - Well, I'm sorry, but I just can't believe you.

#1268

MovingPictures07 wrote:Do you have reason beyond anything stated at any point in this thread in that assumption?

You don't have to elaborate more than that, and you shouldn't, but I need to at least know that.

Yes.

#1269

#1270

Okay, someone has to be lying. Who is it?

Either that or something really wonky is going on here.

#1271

Either that or someone received misleading info. I don't see what could cause that though...

#1272

Did anyone notice anything in Snow Dog's posts? He was a role block after all.

The only thing I recall is that he did ask me TWICE about SE. But he didn't seem too sure about that.

#1273

MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone notice anything in Snow Dog's posts? He was a role block after all.

The only thing I recall is that he did ask me TWICE about SE. But he didn't seem too sure about that.

SE is another person I want to look at. They brought me up serveral times then voted someone else. I thought that was strange.

#1274

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:It seems I can't shake of some peoples suspicions.
What do you think, Snow Dog? Who's your highest suspect, currently, now?
I'm looking at all the later voters for Epignosis. DP voted fairly early so I think he must be civ after all. Sorry DP. SE is worth looking at imo.

This seems notable.

#1275

Anyway, Llama unless you have a secret in your role that somehow prevented me from dying, there is no other logical reason that I see that explains how I survived other than what I know.

So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.

LOVE YA.

#1276

Ambray wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Did anyone notice anything in Snow Dog's posts? He was a role block after all.

The only thing I recall is that he did ask me TWICE about SE. But he didn't seem too sure about that.
SE is another person I want to look at. They brought me up serveral times then voted someone else. I thought that was strange.

SE has been rather quiet and voted for He-man, who I think is civvie, and russ and me, who I know are civvie. I definitely would be open to looking at him.

#1277

Dang it, I really wish Snowie was alive right now.

I would bet on SE being baddie at this point. Perhaps BF is the fourth link and then BWT is Hero?

#1278

Ambray wrote: So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.

And I will continue defending him! I would even believe MP was bad before I believed it of BWT.

#1279

thellama73 wrote:
Ambray wrote: So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.
And I will continue defending him! I would even believe MP was bad before I believed it of BWT.

It's possible Snowie might have had something to do in this, correct?

I hope to god LT was Hero, truly.

#1280

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Also, as others have pointed out, Golem did not block Hero both nights. I would know. I'm not sure it's a good idea to say more than that, or is it? I've gone back and forth on this. Thoughts?

As everyone knows your role can you not say whether you armoured (ie blocked against attack) FH last night.
Even if you don't answer....from the wording of the host post it seems you may have...unless...

Now that we know Snow was Golem, MP, what was this conversation about? You knew for a fact that Snow did not block Hero...yet you did suspect him at some points.

How did you know this for a fact? This post confuses me mightily, as does the entire conversation it comes from.

#1281

I guess we will find out who is lying after the next lynch.

#1282

S~V~S wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Also, as others have pointed out, Golem did not block Hero both nights. I would know. I'm not sure it's a good idea to say more than that, or is it? I've gone back and forth on this. Thoughts?

As everyone knows your role can you not say whether you armoured (ie blocked against attack) FH last night.
Even if you don't answer....from the wording of the host post it seems you may have...unless...
Now that we know Snow was Golem, MP, what was this conversation about? You knew for a fact that Snow did not block Hero...yet you did suspect him at some points.

How did you know this for a fact? This post confuses me mightily, as does the entire conversation it comes from.

I know for a fact Snow did not block Hero both nights. He could have blocked him at one time.

I wish I had realized this exact post and I would have crusaded against a Snow Dog lynch. That being said, I was rather vocal against it, and yet people STILL voted for him. I was not sure he was Golem; that was my fault for being dense.

SE has to be baddie. Am I correct in these assumptions, Ambray and llama?

#1283

thellama73 wrote:
Ambray wrote: So I'm going to continue railroading BWT.
And I will continue defending him! I would even believe MP was bad before I believed it of BWT.

But there is just no possible way!!

The fact that you've taken my first sentence out there tells me you didn't help me survive.

Urgh, I haven't hit such a brick wall in mafia for a long time. Not calling you it, Llama. The situation I mean. Before you get confused.

linki - Why does she HAVE to be, MP?

#1284

SE is a dude, by the way. And Snow Dog called him out like two or three times.

But hold on here. These jigsaw pieces have to all fit together somehow. Does someone have to be lying?

#1285

We all know your role MP~ I am not sure how you could know any of this for a fact, just like I am not sure how you could have known Ambrays role for a fact (which you obviously did NOT). So talk straight here, Alex. Do you know this for a FACT, of is it supposition?

#1286

Multi Linki, "this" being about Snow not blocking Hero,

#1287

Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)

#1288

S~V~S wrote:We all know your role MP~ I am not sure how you could know any of this for a fact, just like I am not sure how you could have known Ambrays role for a fact (which you obviously did NOT). So talk straight here, Alex. Do you know this for a FACT, of is it supposition?

I suppose many things, and I do know a few things for a fact. But you're right, I can't possibly know all of this, which is why I'm actively trying to figure it out. I do think there's something concrete to be pulled here and we can perhaps eliminate the remaining baddies, as long as it can be figured out properly.

#1289

S~V~S wrote:Multi Linki, "this" being about Snow not blocking Hero,

It's very possible Snow blocked Hero one of those nights. Does that help?

#1290

OK, so please stop saying things as if you know them to be true without a doubt when that is not the case.

So do you KNOW Snow did not block Hero, regardless of how many times, or do you SUPPOSE it?? Because with your role being what it is, I do not know how you could know that.

OMG 18 Linki, lol

Linki, SO, your previous statement is not true? You do not KNOW this? You just suppose it or strongly believe it?

#1291

thellama73 wrote:Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)

You don't think Ambray is lying?

#1292

S~V~S wrote:So do you KNOW Snow did not block Hero, regardless of how many times, or do you SUPPOSE it?? Because with your role being what it is, I do not know how you could know that.

I know for a fact that someone survived either last night or the night before and it was NOT because Snow blocked Hero.

#1293

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)
You don't think Ambray is lying?

I have no idea. I said I thought she was suspicious, but your spirited defense of her made me doubt myself so much that I can't tell anymore. My instinct now is that the baddies are all keeping their traps shut, laughing their heads off, tears streaming down their fat faces at the confusion they have sown.

#1294

Well I personally throw the SK in with the baddies, so....

#1295

And I don't think there is any confusion. Not on my part anyway. I know what I know and unless you give me any indication to think differently, then I can't because it just isn't possible.

I think getting rid of the SK is more important the baddies atm because we need to eliminate a kill.

#1296

Ambray wrote:Well I personally throw the SK in with the baddies, so....

As do I.

#1297

Ambray wrote:And I don't think there is any confusion. Not on my part anyway. I know what I know and unless you give me any indication to think differently, then I can't because it just isn't possible.

I think getting rid of the SK is more important the baddies atm because we need to eliminate a kill.

And you still firmly believe BWT to be the SK, correct?

#1298

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)
You don't think Ambray is lying?

And you do? After being so sure she was a civ?

I give up for tonight, maybe the shot the Dr gave me today has thrown me for a loop, but I can't make heads or tails of any of this.

Number one rule of Mafia,

Belief =/= fact

No matter what you say, MP, it seems to me you were implying info several times in this game.

#1299

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)
You don't think Ambray is lying?
And you do? After being so sure she was a civ?

I give up for tonight, maybe the shot the Dr gave me today has thrown me for a loop, but I can't make heads or tails of any of this.

Number one rule of Mafia,

Belief =/= fact

No matter what you say, MP, it seems to me you were implying info several times in this game.

I likely had her pegged as the wrong role, but maybe I am right. I don't know. I'm not saying I think she is lying.

How the heck could I KNOW, I don't have a role check. Is that the kind of confirmation you're talking about? Why would you even think I would have that based on my role?

I play my game differently than you. I never once said I had info that Ambray was civvie 100% absolutely percent.

#1300

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ambray wrote:And I don't think there is any confusion. Not on my part anyway. I know what I know and unless you give me any indication to think differently, then I can't because it just isn't possible.

I think getting rid of the SK is more important the baddies atm because we need to eliminate a kill.
And you still firmly believe BWT to be the SK, correct?

Yes.

Who is a baddie mcbadderson?