[ENDGAME] Bullets Over Broadway Mafia

[Bass_the_Clever]

Hey Gamer Guy what do you make of this day zero?

Jesus Toast all around.

Personally I don't really start playing until day 2. I work better with hard facts and analytical data. Occasionally the classic freduian slip. For now none of this shit really means anything, but it may be useful in hindsight later down the road. I've mostly been skimming because I make a conscious effort not to engage in day 0. Gotten myself in trouble quite few times because I thought I would be smartass in one way or another.

Well you better not be the guy who does "jack shit" then just comes in the thread and drops a vote or chooses not to vote.

[Draconus]

Some say Epi, some say Epig. Or Rob.

Or Robin

[Draconus]

I'm pretty sure you have to buy all those programmes. I am too poor for that shit Also technologically inept.

I indeed will be happy to see the return of the crab (although your current one is pretty funny).

Indeed. Neverwhere, you should even go as far as to put your "fuck your rules" quote in your signature :P
My new image is resizing using Gamer's link, so we shall see how well that works

[Draconus]

Hey Gamer Guy what do you make of this day zero?

Jesus Toast all around.

Personally I don't really start playing until day 2. I work better with hard facts and analytical data. Occasionally the classic freduian slip. For now none of this shit really means anything, but it may be useful in hindsight later down the road. I've mostly been skimming because I make a conscious effort not to engage in day 0. Gotten myself in trouble quite few times because I thought I would be smartass in one way or another.

I feel ya. See what I almost did to myself with a simple joke?


After my ridiculous 4 page catch up on Day 0 posts I have nothing useful to add, unfortunately. I'm just anxious to see the result of this numbered poll and to get Day 1 started.

[Draconus]

Here, this is gonna change your life.

http://www.picresize.com/

Just remember to save the pic elsewhere (like imgur) because this site deletes images after a short while.

Any reason it would say the following when I try to upload the image as my new avatar? "The upload was rejected because the uploaded file was identified as a possible attack vector."

[Draconus]

Sooooo sorry for the quintuple posts! But happy to say I got it to work

[Neverwhere]

I'm pretty sure you have to buy all those programmes. I am too poor for that shit Also technologically inept.

I indeed will be happy to see the return of the crab (although your current one is pretty funny).

Indeed. Neverwhere, you should even go as far as to put your "fuck your rules" quote in your signature :P
My new image is resizing using Gamer's link, so we shall see how well that works

Since I do not have a signature yet, I may just do that :P

[Bullzeye]

I haven't forgotten this game exists, I just let it take a backseat to work because I assumed day 0 would be pretty dead. Clearly I was wrong!

[Epignosis]

We are only in Day 0. So far, regarding me, S~V~S has stated or implied that:

1. I am trying to get people who used a certain word lynched
2. I am playing mind games to trick people
3. I am making a cryptic gambit
4. I am throwing out fake suspicions as part of a fishing expedition
5. I am distracting people (from what has yet to be articulated)
6. I am possibly distancing from Long Con

That's a lot of commentary for a Day 0 on one person.

[Sloonei]

That is an inordinately high number of suspicions to develop in such an early phase of the game. I've never played with SVS before and do not know anything about their usual playstyle, so I do not know quite what to make of all this yet. But I've found this Day 0 to be pretty interesting.

[Dom]

I AM BACK FROM NYC (you could see me in the audience on Jimmy Fallon last night )

You have a host post coming, I promise! It won't be late again.

[S~V~S]

We are only in Day 0. So far, regarding me, S~V~S has stated or implied that:

1. I am trying to get people who used a certain word lynched
2. I am playing mind games to trick people
3. I am making a cryptic gambit
4. I am throwing out fake suspicions as part of a fishing expedition
5. I am distracting people (from what has yet to be articulated)
6. I am possibly distancing from Long Con

That's a lot of commentary for a Day 0 on one person.

I said there are a lot of explanations for your behavior. Tell me o brilliant one how this makes me bad? It doesn't.

[Dom]

Act One, Scene One

Enter DOM SL

DOM: Man, I can't believe how great everything is going! Everyone checked in, that gives me time to see a show... but what should I see? I mean, Hamilton's not open yet, so that's out. FUN HOME would be a dream, but tickets are hella dollars. Hand to God? Should I see Curious Incident again??

Enter ??? from trap door

DOM: Screw it, I'm seeing Fun Home.

??? Sneaks behind DOM, and stabs him in the chest.
Exit ??? SL

Enter ENESEMBLE

EPIGNOSIS: We've gotta throw this LC guy out of the show. He's not a real actor.

SVS: I'm not so--

LONG CON: Why, I oughta--

COBALT: Guys....

COBALT is pointing to Dom's body SL

SIG: Who would do such a thing!?

GOLDEN: What're we gonna do?

MOVINGPICTURES07: The only thing we can do....

It is now Day One. You have 48 Hours to lynch someone.
I have many PMs to answer. I will do so. I also owe each of you a PM. You will be receiving these tonight. Thank you for your patience with my trip to NYC. I had a blast.

[Dom]

DAY 0

Which number do you fancy?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:54 pm


1
1
Long Con (8) 3%
2
1
Scotty (14) 3%
3
1
sig (18) 3%
4
1
TinyBubbles (10) 3%
5
1
Epignosis (6) 3%
6
1
DREAM (17) 3%
7
1
Metalmarsh89 (2) 3%
8
1
S~V~S (3) 3%
9
1
Bullzeye (7) 3%
10
1
Devin the Omniscient (29) 3%
11
1
Dragon D. Luffy (15) 3%
12
1
timmer (19) 3%
13
1
MovingPictures07 (9) 3%
14
1
birdwithteeth11 (30) 3%
15
1
fingersplints (24) 3%
16
1
Gumshoe (26) 3%
17
1
Golden (12) 3%
18
1
Hedgeowl (31) 3%
19
1
nijuukyugou (13) 3%
20
1
Neverwhere (25) 3%
21
1
XthAtGAm3RGuYX (11) 3%
22
1
Bass_the_Clever (27) 3%
23
1
Turnip Head (20) 3%
24
1
Cobalt (23) 3%
25
1
Sloonei (22) 3%
26
1
DFaraday (28) 3%
27
1
nutella (21) 3%
28
1
Black Rock (4) 3%
High School Musical (hosts/nons)
3
Dom (1), JaggedJimmyJay (5), Heiots (16) 10%
Total votes : 31

[Gumshoe]

??? Sneaks behind DOM, and stabs him in the chest.
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I had a blast.

Nice post, Dom.

[Epignosis]

We are only in Day 0. So far, regarding me, S~V~S has stated or implied that:

1. I am trying to get people who used a certain word lynched
2. I am playing mind games to trick people
3. I am making a cryptic gambit
4. I am throwing out fake suspicions as part of a fishing expedition
5. I am distracting people (from what has yet to be articulated)
6. I am possibly distancing from Long Con

That's a lot of commentary for a Day 0 on one person.

I said there are a lot of explanations for your behavior. Tell me o brilliant one how this makes me bad? It doesn't.

There are a lot of explanations for anyone's behavior.

++++

That is an inordinately high number of suspicions to develop in such an early phase of the game. I've never played with SVS before and do not know anything about their usual playstyle, so I do not know quite what to make of all this yet. But I've found this Day 0 to be pretty interesting.

To be fair to S~V~S, only a couple of those items could be construed as "suspicions." I do try to keep things fresh (for myself at least) whenever a new game starts, and that has led to me using tactics and techniques that may seem unorthodox. That much is true.

But what doesn't smell right is this: If my Day 0 suspicions aren't genuine (i.e., mind games, fishing expeditions, cryptic gambits), then why does she feel the need to say the following?

I did a search when Epi made a big deal of it, and three people had used it. I was one of them. When they came for me, to paraphrase that WW2 German pastor, there was no one left to speak for me. If Epi led a lynch on someone for use of a common word, I might be next.

This implies that I *could* lead a lynch against someone for using a common word, and that S~V~S believes that if I campaign against people using that word (I'm not, because that's a terrible simplification of my Long Con suspicion), I'll eventually get to her, as though I am capable of directing the thread as some rhetorical Pantokrator...

...yet...

This feels somewhat distractionary to me. Either you don't want people to talk about the other discussion today, or maybe you're doing some rather fancy distancing with LC, since it is unlikely that he is going to get lynched over "interesting". Or maybe you are just doing some standard issue Epi mind games and intentionally enigmatic crap. Not sure which, maybe all, maybe none.

Despite implying that I could lynch all the people who had (up to that point) used the word "interesting," S~V~S says that it's unlikely Long Con will get lynched over "interesting."

So either I am serious about my suspicions but feeble to do anything about them, or I am faking my suspicions and S~V~S fears she will be on a list of people taken out by them.

These two ideas are not compatible.

[Sloonei]

oh neat. hello day 1.

[Epignosis]

Long Con is still my #1 suspect, however.

His manipulation is transparent to me.

I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.

In case I haven't been clear, here is what I see is happening in this one line:

Long Con mischaracterizes and trivializes the exchange MP and I had Day 0. He quoted a bunch of posts from MP and me and called it a shoving match. He said he doesn't like the term "pissing match" (Glad he forewent "tug of war" ). Neither of those terms accurately describes what was going on there.

However, this serves the neater purpose of giving LC a place to vote if either an Epignosis or MP lynch gains momentum. He comments on it without saying anything meaningful about it (except for making it sound uglier than it is), which shows his audience that he is aware something is going on there, all the while leaving himself free to vote for either of us if the opportunity presents itself.

[Dom]

I think I got to everyone's PMs. You also should have all received a PM from me about the poll. Let me know (via PM) if I have done one of the following:
a) ignored a PM you sent me while I was in NYC or have not fully addressed a concern you did bring up to me
or
b) did not receive a PM with the subject line "Day Zero Results"

[Golden]

Are we allowed to speak of our PMs in the thread at all?

[Scotty]

Dom, wtf did I just receive. It looks like you had a stroke when writing that. I feel like I'm missing something here...

[nijuukyugou]

Dom, wtf did I just receive. It looks like you had a stroke when writing that. I feel like I'm missing something here...

I got mine thinking the same thing, but I just had a thought - maybe it's every nth letter from a larger text, depending on what number you chose? It certainly looks like a mish-mash of words that might make sense with a lot of words in between. If it's that, then our almighty host just went through a ton of work (or has a sorting method I don't know about). Kudos to him regardless

[nutella]

Pretty sure it's some kind of (markov chain based?) gibberish generator (repeated a ton of strings)

[Golden]

Without saying more, this is why I asked dom if we could talk about them.

[nijuukyugou]

Are we allowed to speak of our PMs in the thread at all?

Ah shit, probably should've waited for the answer to this. Sorry if I screwed up!

[XthAtGAm3RGuYX]

Hey! Guess who's ISP decided to be a fucking asshole? Mine did!

I'm contacting a new internet provider tomorrow, but until I get a proper new connection where the provider doesn't go down for maintenance frequently for no fucking reason, I will pop in fleetingly via free wifi at a college I don't attend. It should o ly be like 4 days tops I hope. So if I'm not around as much as I usually would be during that period of time, you know why. Ill probably be able to stay relatively caught up using internet at work though. I just won't have my charts for reference and what not.

Spent all day seeing if its just my router. SPOILER ALERT: It wasn't.

[Sloonei]

I thought this post from Gumshoe was the most interesting thing during the zeroth Day:

Spoiler: show

My eye is on Devin almost immediately because of that joking truce thing. Mafia Cobalt tries to jokingly buddy up to people to see if they'd be receptive to it or not.

Here's the general rule I use with new players. If it comes down to a vote that's based on very little, I'll probably avoid going for them in the spirit of community friendliness. If there's a bigger or more stand-out suspicion on a new player, then I'll probably vote for them despite their newness.

Basically this

I don't give a fuck, y'all can vote for me whenever you want, if you want. Just keep in mind that the most recent mafia game I played my day 3 scum reads list was 5/6 accurate and I got MVP. I don't know you guys as well as that crowd but I do have decent instincts.

So because it is line with your mafia meta to do something, you extrapolate to mean that it is likely within someone else's meta, whom you've never met, as well?

Are you implying that we shouldn't vote for you because you have good instincts? What does that have to do with your alignment?

It's a decent theory. No one is ENTIRELY a unique little snowflake no matter what our mothers tell us. If one person thought of it then it's possible others have as well.

Mafia probably have better "instincts" than the rest of us anyway.

I tried to point this out at the time, but no one really took to it. It caught my eye because it was a response by Gumshoe to a post by MovingPictures which was directed at Cobalt. I did not get why Gumshoe was responding to the post at all. Compared with their other contributions to the thread at the time, this is one feels much more like an effort to engage seriously in discussion (many of their other posts are jokes about being scum, which is something which also gives me pause oftentimes). But then the response itself doesn't really say anything strong, which makes it look like an even stranger place for a player to enter into discussion.
Is there some reason Gumshoe is responding to a post directed at another player? Why this post in particular?

[Golden]

I probably didn't make it clear enough in my initial response to that post that I was pinged by it too, Sloonei (I took a bit of a flippant approach). What confused me about it was that it appeared to be defending Cobalt's view - and then turned around on him. I'm not at all sure what he was intending to say by it either.

[Gumshoe]

Is it bad etiquette to comment on a discussion not involving yourself here? If so, I may be in for a world of hurt trying to keep my head down and eyes forward.

I felt MP proposed a thought-provoking question as to whether or not it makes sense to assume other players could be using similar tactics to those that you use yourself. My stance was that it makes sense to think that way because, odds are, someone is doing something now that someone else has done in the past.

Also, to Golden's contribution, I didn't turn anything around on Cobalt. My first and second line had nothing to do with each other. The quotes read as followed:

Cobalt:
"Devin is suspicious because that's how I play as a baddie"
MP:
"So because you do it, others are also doing it?"
Gumshoe:
"I understand why Cobalt would feel suspicious of it because it's possible that they both have similar strategies as baddies."

And at the same time

Cobalt:
"I was super-civvie last time!"
MP:
"So we shouldn't suspect you because you figured out a lot last time?"
Gumshoe:
"Mafia know more than we do anyway." (this portion of my original post in question was meant as a joke if it wasn't clear)

Also, sorry if you feel like that's the only thing I've contributed to this point. I feel like I've been well balanced between goofing around to keep the game engaging and fun AND being insightful as to the topics of the game. That's a balance I had hoped to continue but maybe it wasn't so balanced to begin with if you feel the way you do.

[Sloonei]

My eye is on Devin almost immediately because of that joking truce thing. Mafia Cobalt tries to jokingly buddy up to people to see if they'd be receptive to it or not.

Here's the general rule I use with new players. If it comes down to a vote that's based on very little, I'll probably avoid going for them in the spirit of community friendliness. If there's a bigger or more stand-out suspicion on a new player, then I'll probably vote for them despite their newness.

Basically this

I don't give a fuck, y'all can vote for me whenever you want, if you want. Just keep in mind that the most recent mafia game I played my day 3 scum reads list was 5/6 accurate and I got MVP. I don't know you guys as well as that crowd but I do have decent instincts.

So because it is line with your mafia meta to do something, you extrapolate to mean that it is likely within someone else's meta, whom you've never met, as well?

Are you implying that we shouldn't vote for you because you have good instincts? What does that have to do with your alignment?

It's a decent theory. No one is ENTIRELY a unique little snowflake no matter what our mothers tell us. If one person thought of it then it's possible others have as well.

Mafia probably have better "instincts" than the rest of us anyway.

If you think it's a decent theory, then are you also suspecting Devin?

You obviously haven't been listening to Devin and I discussing our BTSC in the previous page. Actual answer, no, I'm still trying to figure people out.

Gumshoe's follow-up to that post is also a bit shady, in line with the other one. Backtracks on any possible stance, juet trying to figure things out.
I have an early suspect.

[Sloonei]

Is it bad etiquette to comment on a discussion not involving yourself here? If so, I may be in for a world of hurt trying to keep my head down and eyes forward.

I felt MP proposed a thought-provoking question as to whether or not it makes sense to assume other players could be using similar tactics to those that you use yourself. My stance was that it makes sense to think that way because, odds are, someone is doing something now that someone else has done in the past.

Also, to Golden's contribution, I didn't turn anything around on Cobalt. My first and second line had nothing to do with each other. The quotes read as followed:

Cobalt:
"Devin is suspicious because that's how I play as a baddie"
MP:
"So because you do it, others are also doing it?"
Gumshoe:
"I understand why Cobalt would feel suspicious of it because it's possible that they both have similar strategies as baddies."

And at the same time

Cobalt:
"I was super-civvie last time!"
MP:
"So we shouldn't suspect you because you figured out a lot last time?"
Gumshoe:
"Mafia know more than we do anyway." (this portion of my original post in question was meant as a joke if it wasn't clear)

Also, sorry if you feel like that's the only thing I've contributed to this point. I feel like I've been well balanced between goofing around to keep the game engaging and fun AND being insightful as to the topics of the game. That's a balance I had hoped to continue but maybe it wasn't so balanced to begin with if you feel the way you do.

it was more the timing and circumstances of your response to the post than your particular involvement in the discussion that got me worried. There were a lot of posts around that you could have responded to, why this one? My initial reaction was that you were defending Cobalt. Is there any truth do this? Do you have any past experience with them as a player?

Ain't nobody gonna fault nobody for their level of Day 0 participation. Especially you, who were one of the more active participants in the discussion. Keep doing your thang.

[Cobalt]

He didn't so much as defend me as he pointed out that my logic wasn't flawed like MP seemed to be trying to make it appear. I didn't really think much of it but I appreciated the validation.

Anyone wanna pick my brain while I'm around for a few hours?

[Golden]

Sure Cobalt. What do you make of the Epi/SVS/LC situation. Throw me in there for good measure if you like.

[Gumshoe]

Gumshoe's follow-up to that post is also a bit shady, in line with the other one. Backtracks on any possible stance, juet trying to figure things out.
I have an early suspect.

I fail to see what's suspicious about this conversation. MP asked if it's reasonable for Cobalt to suspect Devin under the conditions that Devin reminds Cobalt of himself as a baddie. My contribution to that was, yes, I think that is a reasonable reason for Cobalt to feel that way. MP then asked if I also suspect Devin. I did not suspect Devin. I don't know how Devin plays and I don't see anything in how Devin is playing that reminds me of past experiences. If it does for Cobalt, it makes sense that he'd suspect him. It, however, does not for me. I don't see a problem with this viewpoint.

To your reply:

No. I don't know anybody in this game. To my knowledge I've never played with any of them. In a sense, yes, I defended Cobalt's reasoning for suspecting Devin. Not because I agreed with the suspicion and not because I actively wanted to defend Cobalt but because - I'm nosy. :P MP asked a question, I had an opinion on said question, and so I decided to share my opinion. I expect to do this often. It's in my nature.

Okay. Thank you then. Same to you.

[Sloonei]

He didn't so much as defend me as he pointed out that my logic wasn't flawed like MP seemed to be trying to make it appear. I didn't really think much of it but I appreciated the validation.

Anyone wanna pick my brain while I'm around for a few hours?

You've now offered a seeming defense of Gumshoe in return. Interesting.
I'm not so much interested in the specifics of the exchange, more so that it happened. Although, in that context, what Gumsho said was absolutely a defense of you.

[Gumshoe]

He didn't so much as defend me as he pointed out that my logic wasn't flawed like MP seemed to be trying to make it appear. I didn't really think much of it but I appreciated the validation.

Anyone wanna pick my brain while I'm around for a few hours?

Oh man, don't defend me defending you. You're going to get us both lynched.

Now if y'all will excuse me, I have irl interactions to have. I might be back in a few hours. I might not be back until tomorrow.

[Sloonei]

Gumshoe's follow-up to that post is also a bit shady, in line with the other one. Backtracks on any possible stance, juet trying to figure things out.
I have an early suspect.

I fail to see what's suspicious about this conversation. MP asked if it's reasonable for Cobalt to suspect Devin under the conditions that Devin reminds Cobalt of himself as a baddie. My contribution to that was, yes, I think that is a reasonable reason for Cobalt to feel that way. MP then asked if I also suspect Devin. I did not suspect Devin. I don't know how Devin plays and I don't see anything in how Devin is playing that reminds me of past experiences. If it does for Cobalt, it makes sense that he'd suspect him. It, however, does not for me. I don't see a problem with this viewpoint.

To your reply:

No. I don't know anybody in this game. To my knowledge I've never played with any of them. In a sense, yes, I defended Cobalt's reasoning for suspecting Devin. Not because I agreed with the suspicion and not because I actively wanted to defend Cobalt but because - I'm nosy. :P MP asked a question, I had an opinion on said question, and so I decided to share my opinion. I expect to do this often. It's in my nature.

Okay. Thank you then. Same to you.

I look forward to your responses and opinions in this game.

What do you think of me and my posts about you?

[Golden]

Overall, my read on Gumshoe has been that I lean civilian. And I agree he has been one of the higher contributors. I just found that one post inconsistent in its thought process (so thanks for providing an explanation, gumshoe. It makes sense to me. I agree with you on Cobalt's logic for finding someone bad - when new to a site, and with no knowledge of anyone's meta, it's probably actually one of the better reasons).

There has certainly been a lot of 'interesting' in this game. Also, I hope we get some clarification from Dom soon because I really want to talk about that PM.

[nutella]

FTR, one of Dom's rules on the first page is "do not copy and paste messages from the host" -- to me this indirectly implies that it is okay to talk about them in passing. However, still, it's usually looked down upon/seen as bad form/at least not common I think around these parts to discuss host PMs so it might be a good idea not to, although I of course realize I already participated in that exchange because I thought it was interesting (god I'm never going to be able to use that word without being self-conscious now )

[Sloonei]

@ Golden - Why are you inclined to lean civ on Gumshoe?

[Golden]

@ Golden - Why are you inclined to lean civ on Gumshoe?

Vibe. It's hard to read someone I have no experience with, but his posts read genuine to me.

[Golden]

@nutella - I agree, I think the rule implies we can. I just like to be extra careful because I don't like getting punishment. But I really want to discuss them because I think we might be able to make more sense of them together than apart.

[Cobalt]

Sure Cobalt. What do you make of the Epi/SVS/LC situation. Throw me in there for good measure if you like.

I find Epi civvy and LC scummy, SVS is still kind of a null read. I think he kinda just got caught in the middle.

You're a decent civ vibe for right now, subject to change.

He didn't so much as defend me as he pointed out that my logic wasn't flawed like MP seemed to be trying to make it appear. I didn't really think much of it but I appreciated the validation.

Anyone wanna pick my brain while I'm around for a few hours?

You've now offered a seeming defense of Gumshoe in return. Interesting.
I'm not so much interested in the specifics of the exchange, more so that it happened. Although, in that context, what Gumsho said was absolutely a defense of you.

I tend not to wallflower when I'm being spoken about and I address the situation directly if I'm involved in it.

Interesting.

COBALT: (Dramatic eye roll, exit DSL)

[Sloonei]

He didn't so much as defend me as he pointed out that my logic wasn't flawed like MP seemed to be trying to make it appear. I didn't really think much of it but I appreciated the validation.

Anyone wanna pick my brain while I'm around for a few hours?

You've now offered a seeming defense of Gumshoe in return. Interesting.
I'm not so much interested in the specifics of the exchange, more so that it happened. Although, in that context, what Gumsho said was absolutely a defense of you.

I tend not to wallflower when I'm being spoken about and I address the situation directly if I'm involved in it.

Interesting.

COBALT: (Dramatic eye roll, exit DSL)

What do you, Cobalt, think of Gumshoe right now? Do you feel he was defending you, even if it wasn't a delberate defense? Why/why not?

[Turnip Head]

I'm suspicious of Hedgeowl.

First post:

Omg we started?!? Wut. Ok, I will be back tonight to jump in. 3 pages and its day 0! >.<

ture

Second post:

Spoiler: show

I want to lynch Long Con. That's where my Day 1 vote will be going as of right now.

Why? If you posted it already can you post a link.

It's Day 0. Long Con has six posts. I'm not posting a link for you. Read his posts and draw your own conclusion. Then tell me if you find anything suspicious.

If you don't, then I'll gladly share what I found.

Ok I read the six post, but I would still like to know what you find suspicious.
Is it because there are only six post, 3 of which are fluff posts?
Is it the MP/Epi shoving match post?

As promised:

This all got very interesting.

No it didn't. It's all Day 0 dicking around. Nothing has gotten interesting at all. "Interesting" is a stupid word. Stop using it Mafia.

I see MP07 is going full-swing with the Question-Hammer, good to see! Gets people talking.

According to LC, MP is getting people talking, and it's "good to see." Hold that in mind.

I'm not too pinged by this truce thing, and I don't know what to think about the shoving match between MP and Epig yet.

If you "don't know what to think" about something, why in hell bring it up? Does anybody care that you don't know what to think about something? Why not keep quiet until you do know what you think?

And why characterize my exchange with MP as a "shoving match?" That can't be genuine. In this same post, LC said MP was "swinging the question hammer," which is "good to see." Now he's not sure what to think about the Epi/MP "shoving match?"

This doesn't smell right to me.

I'm voting Long Con, except I can't because Hedgeowl hasn't voted 18 yet.

(Voted 18 cause, well I was late to the party, but still reading....)

i tend to agree about voting newbies on the first day, but good points about not all the players being new to mafia. Honestly my Day 1 reads are never going to be that sure that know I have to vote the new guy. However, I do tend to be wary of bandwagon votes for seemingly no good reason.

Hedgeowl chooses to chime in on the discussion about voting new players out on Day 1. It's not really a post sharing any suspicions. She tacks on a sentence at the end about being wary of "bandwagon votes for seemingly no good reason". This sentence lacks any sort of context within the game or even the rest of Hedgie's post itself. She doesn't really elaborate on what she means by "seemingly" no good reason, so I won't try to draw too much from it, but in any case it's a weird sentiment to share before any votes have been cast at all in the game. Mainly I want to end this point by saying this whole post was a weird, specific, generic thing for Hedgeowl to want to chime in about. Nobody's going to go out there and make a post saying they support lynching newbies on Day 1 for no reason. That's basically the opposite of what Hedgeowl's post says. The opinion that Hedgeowl shares here isn't groundbreaking, so it seems like a weird thing for Hedgeowl to find noteworthy of discussing. And it's not discussing her thoughts on any of the players in the game.

Golden tried to question Hedgie about that last sentence, I think, by attaching it to some context of what's going on in the game. Hedge's reply (also her third post):

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Hedgeowl - if several people ended up voting for LC or SVS today, would you consider that there seemed to be good reasons for that, or are you saying that you find the reasons to suspect LC and SVS unconvincing?

Oh I am not saying that. Did I say that? I was commenting on the earlier discussion about newbies, which SVS and LC are not. I am sympathetic to LC because of Epi's accusation around the word "interesting" but that's more because I am someone who overuses this word in life. I do find SVS' defense interesting (!) however. I would not say I am ready to vote based on any of this yet though. Mostly, I think there been a lot of huffing and puffing and MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( ), not much noteworthy in 5 pages that took me too long to read, so I agree with Epi there. I will say so far he reads like civ Epi to me, and I can never tell very well with LC.

what are ISOs that everyone is mentioning? I assume not In Search Of...

Hedgeowl clarifies that her last post was ONLY talking about the general idea of newbies and not on any discussion surrounding actual players in this game. But when Golden mentions Epi, LC et al, she does give her opinion. She ends by saying that there wasn't much noteworthy in the 5 pages she read, and that it took her too long to read. And while I don't disagree with her that there's not much meat to the discussion yet, she chose to post some pretty shallow content herself.

Post the fourth:

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MP's redonkulous rainbow list aside ( )

I feel like I've seen a couple of people making fun of his list and I don't really understand why. Keeping a list rating how suspicious you are of each person in addition to your notes seems like a good idea. Is it just because his is color-coded?

i'll also be using rainbow lists, just so everyone knows. get ready.

Rainbow lists are new to me, but I don't object to them. I did laugh at MPs list this early in the game with only two people listed as "slightly" civvie or baddie leaning. It wasn't a rainbow.

Linki - not 50 shades I hope.

I'm sensing a pattern with Hedgeowl's contributions here. All mechanics and mafia meta talk, nothing about the game.

[Sloonei]

I would add to Turnip's post that in Hedgeowl's third post, she seems to state that MP's rainbow list is something worth taking note of, but all she goes on to say is that it made her laugh.

[Golden]

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

Also, her response question 'Did I say that?' - was a noteworthy response to me.

[Golden]

I feel like this has been a remarkably productive day 0/day 1. A lot of real stuff is happening here. I wonder if it's because MP wasn't around to clutter up the thread

[Neverwhere]

I'm with Turnip Head on this one. I got so caught up focusing on the whole Epi - Lc - SVS talk I forgot about the posts Hedgeowl had made. They read really scummy to me too. A lot of mafia excuse speak. If Hedge is bad, it seems kind of sloppy of her....

At this point she's pinging me the most for a day 1 vote.

I am reading Gumshoe as civvie for now.

[Turnip Head]

Yes, TH, that's exactly what I was trying to do. I felt like Hedgeowl's statement was definitely something that could be referred back to later to defend LC or SVS, and I didn't want to allow it to be used that way. I could definitely see a scenario where Hedgeowl is in a team with LC or SVS and was hoping to have some else run with her comment and imply that LC or SVS were being bandwagoned.

It just seems so out of place in that post. And I see what you're saying, she could refer back to that remark to preemptively counter any bandwagons she doesn't like. It's like that sentence came from the future and landed in Hedgeowl's post.