Watchmen [ENDGAME]

[DharmaHelper]

I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1),

ay lmao

[Ricochet]

Hey Bass, I see one Watchman who could very easily go all LMS on us. Who's the other who you think can turn against civ interests??

If Sloonei doesn't flip bad, Rorschach's gonna have a ball.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Hey Bass, I see one Watchman who could very easily go all LMS on us. Who's the other who you think can turn against civ interests??

Well Rorschach and Nite Owl 2 will go after civs if Hollis Mason is dead.

[Tangrowth]

I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1),

ay lmao

It's true, someone has to go on Day 1, but I enjoy playing with all of you folks, and it sucks to be the one first voted out.

I feel way worse when I case someone at the last minute, changing my mind on others, and then I'm wrong. See: Snow Dog in Doctor Who. Man, that was rough.

[Elohcin]

now for Wayward Pines. I will read all the linki later.

haha, this never went through b/c I hit submit and ran out of the room

[Ricochet]

I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1),

ay lmao

It's true, someone has to go on Day 1, but I enjoy playing with all of you folks, and it sucks to be the one first voted out.

I feel way worse when I case someone at the last minute, changing my mind on others, and then I'm wrong. See: Snow Dog in Doctor Who. Man, that was rough.

I think you meant to say "except if you're Mafia"

[Tangrowth]

There's a case on Scotty? I think I missed it. Anyone with a reminder or link to the case?

MP, your policy of underlining names to direct things to people is super helpful, btw.

Russ, see this post:

Spoiler: show

I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty. His buddying up to MP pinged me at first. MP pointed out that Scotty has been part of the discussion with out throwing out any of his own suspects. He also made a big deal about me voting late in B.O.B and he has yet to vote so I found that odd.

What do you think of his Elo vote, now that he has voted?

I really don't understand why he would vote that way when he said he was looking at people who weren't posting. Elo has posted more the LC so why not vote LC.

I agree. I think you're onto something, Bass.

I think Scotty's Elo vote seems disingenuous. I actually am leaning toward casting my vote there.

His vote is super weak reasoning to me, like he had to come up with SOME reason to justify a vote:

I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.

Hence why I asked him to elaborate here.

He doesn't even say why "comfortable and jokey" from Elo makes her likely to be a member of the mafia. He says it's "standing out", but again, how does that mean he is casting his vote for someone that he thinks is bad?

Even further, he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster, and here he emphasizes he is focusing on no shows.

Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle, yet refusing to issue an issue of suspicion on him, and I'm really starting to suspect Scotty.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty. His buddying up to MP pinged me at first. MP pointed out that Scotty has been part of the discussion with out throwing out any of his own suspects. He also made a big deal about me voting late in B.O.B and he has yet to vote so I found that odd.

What do you think of his Elo vote, now that he has voted?

I really don't understand why he would vote that way when he said he was looking at people who weren't posting. Elo has posted more the LC so why not vote LC.

I agree. I think you're onto something, Bass.

I think Scotty's Elo vote seems disingenuous. I actually am leaning toward casting my vote there.

His vote is super weak reasoning to me, like he had to come up with SOME reason to justify a vote:

I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.

Hence why I asked him to elaborate here.

He doesn't even say why "comfortable and jokey" from Elo makes her likely to be a member of the mafia. He says it's "standing out", but again, how does that mean he is casting his vote for someone that he thinks is bad?

Even further, he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster, and here he emphasizes he is focusing on no shows.

Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle, yet refusing to issue an issue of suspicion on him, and I'm really starting to suspect Scotty.

Bass has suspected Scotty earlier today for buddying me. He voted there, then I responded and elaborated upon my thoughts on Scotty, mostly, in that post.

Also, good to know on the bolded/underlined! I know that folks are stretched for time (understandably so, I've blown off some PhD work to be super active thus far, despite being productive when not here), so especially in my longer posts, it makes sense to make them as readable as possible, since I actually want folks to read them if they can.

[Tangrowth]

I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1),

ay lmao

It's true, someone has to go on Day 1, but I enjoy playing with all of you folks, and it sucks to be the one first voted out.

I feel way worse when I case someone at the last minute, changing my mind on others, and then I'm wrong. See: Snow Dog in Doctor Who. Man, that was rough.

I think you meant to say "except if you're Mafia"

Oh, whoops! LOL. Yes, that's what I meant.

It's even funnier that I didn't realize that upon DH's quoting of it.

[Tangrowth]

Dang it! Russ, ignore the fact that the Scotty "case" got quoted within the spoiler twice. Not sure how that happened. I'm all full of posting/typo fail these last few posts, apparently!

[Tangrowth]

Also, I echo espers/glassrevenue's sentiment. END DAT DAY

[Scotty]

Elo, thanks!

How about: Where are you leaning for your vote today? Has it changed at all?

Linki with Ninja

If no one was finding me suspicious, I would most likely vote for G-man or sloonei (I know I said I would table my thoughts on sloonei). But, I am still back and forth on sloonei. He now finds me suspicious b/c I reread him and decided that I couldn't find any hard evidence against him? What?!? I wish G-Man would come in and talk.

But it looks like I may be trying to save myself :/

Why did you read him as "scummy" the first time, then? Moreover, why did you give in to a "vibe" rather than rereading him, if it would have left to the same lack of hard evidence, in theory?

I didn't give into a vibe, I just mentioned it. He challenged me to reread him and I found nothing astoundingly scummy. That was all. But his response to my response IS scummy to me.

MP your case on scotty makes a lot of sense.

There's a case on Scotty? I think I missed it. Anyone with a reminder or link to the case?

I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty. His buddying up to MP pinged me at first. MP pointed out that Scotty has been part of the discussion with out throwing out any of his own suspects. He also made a big deal about me voting late in B.O.B and he has yet to vote so I found that odd.

What do you think of his Elo vote, now that he has voted?

I really don't understand why he would vote that way when he said he was looking at people who weren't posting. Elo has posted more the LC so why not vote LC.

I agree. I think you're onto something, Bass.

I think Scotty's Elo vote seems disingenuous. I actually am leaning toward casting my vote there.

His vote is super weak reasoning to me, like he had to come up with SOME reason to justify a vote:

I'm still combing through 5 more pages to respond to, and I will, but for now, I'm voting Ehlo. Someone asked if DDL seemed "comfortable" and I don't really know what that means in respect to DDL because no one was really suspecting him. But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now.

I also do not find anything Sloonei doing in this game different than the last game. Granted, I don't know if he was civ in that game, but it also doesn't ping me.

Hence why I asked him to elaborate here.

He doesn't even say why "comfortable and jokey" from Elo makes her likely to be a member of the mafia. He says it's "standing out", but again, how does that mean he is casting his vote for someone that he thinks is bad?

Even further, he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster, and here he emphasizes he is focusing on no shows.

Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle, yet refusing to issue an issue of suspicion on him, and I'm really starting to suspect Scotty.

Here's the skivvy. Bass said I was buddying up with MP early on for giving an agreement on day 1 philosophies. Then I went to work. While I was away, Bass asked me why I haven't voted yet (that was weird btw). I got back at 8, didn't realize the poll ended at 9, so I tried to read through the 6 pages I missed, still answering now, though had to throw my strongest suspicion out early before the poll ended.

"he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster," I thought I did do that, by pointing out Elo's hypocritical rhetoric of being a low poster.

MP, you had all day to take a position on someone, you had your pretty rainbow lists, and yet in the last 30 minutes when I didn't have enough time to explain myself, you jump on this logic? THAT is suspicious.

"Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle"
I don't know what his conventional playstyle is. How can I take advantage of that? MM is a conundrum. At a gut read, I don't trust him because he STILL hasn't answered why he even mentioned that he got something from Day 0 PMs, and he's still playing that vague playstyle that COULD be good or COULD be bad.

linki;

Scotty, don't sweat it. I can empathize. I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1), but I wasn't feeling too confident in any of my reads, and your vote pinged me pretty bad. I really look forward to hearing what you have to contribute later on, if you do survive.

Then why did you do it. Out of all the cases, you chose to vote for me because you suddenly had a realization in the last few minutes? My case for Elo is far more substantiated with my viewpoints on Day 1 than your case for me

[Tangrowth]

Nice OMGUS/NO U, Scotty.

Nonetheless, I appreciate your response. Let me address it.

[thellama73]

END DAT DAY and show Supatown how we do!

[Scotty]

Nice OMGUS/NO U, Scotty.

Nonetheless, I appreciate your response. Let me address it.

I don't know what that means. No U= Reverse psychology?

linki- you look lovely, Agent Alpaca

[Tangrowth]

Nice picture, Llama!

Scotty, my bad, didn't realize you were unfamiliar with the terminology. OMGUS and NO U are essentially the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh My God You Suck", which was popularized in the greater mafia community, whereas NO U tended to be what was always used in my mafia history. It refers to when you respond to a case against you by turning around and suspecting the player that accused you, and is generally seen to be a desperate or suspicious tactic, particularly if the content of the rebuttal is suspect.

[Epignosis]

Who is worthy of justice?

Poll ended at Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:00 pm

Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes

Cookie
0
No votes

DharmaHelper
0
No votes

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes

Elohcin
2
Scotty (9), Ricochet (18)
11%

espers
0
No votes

G-Man
2
LoRab (7), Russtifinko (17)
11%

Golden
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

LoRab
1
DharmaHelper (13)
5%

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

nijuukyugou
3
Sloonei (4), Metalmarsh89 (5), Golden (15)
16%

Ricochet
0
No votes

Russtifinko
0
No votes

Scotty
2
Bass_the_Clever (10), MovingPictures07 (14)
11%

Sloonei
5
nijuukyugou (8), thellama73 (11), Dragon D. Luffy (12), Elohcin (16), espers (19)
26%

thellama73
0
No votes

timmer
1
timmer (3)
5%

Dollar Bill (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), TinyBubbles (2), juliets (6)
16%


Total votes : 19

[Ricochet]

Epig plz it's 4:21 am post-blaze eastern pluto time here

[Scotty]

Nice picture, Llama!

Scotty, my bad, didn't realize you were unfamiliar with the terminology. OMGUS and NO U are essentially the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh My God You Suck", which was popularized in the greater mafia community, whereas NO U tended to be what was always used in my mafia history. It refers to when you respond to a case against you by turning around and suspecting the player that accused you, and is generally seen to be a desperate or suspicious tactic, particularly if the content of the rebuttal is suspect.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm turning on you in the past few minutes because of the manner of which you voted me. I'm not suspecting/OMGUS/NO U for Bass, because he's been actively attempting to come after me, which I think is a notable civ move. It's the wrong civ move, because I think his argument centered around "buddying" around you is rather weak (though it is Day 1. Everything's gonna be bloody weak). You've been waffling on GMan all day, and I guess were willing to latch onto whoever seemed the most tunneled. THAT seems like mafia behavior, tbh.

[thellama73]

Epig plz it's 4:21 am post-blaze eastern pluto time here

No one actually believes you live in Vanuatu or wherever it is you claim to be from. :P

[Epignosis]

July 16, 1985
Veidt Security Footage Leaks

It is now Night 1. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

[Ricochet]

Epig plz it's 4:21 am post-blaze eastern pluto time here

No one actually believes you live in Vanuatu or wherever it is you claim to be from. :P

I never did, though. My post above was painfully sincere.

[thellama73]

Sometimes I can't believe how supatown I am. Boosh!

[Elohcin]

Yeah Buddy!

[Scotty]

Holy cow. I was NOT expecting that. Wooooooooo good going guys! I didn't suspect Sloonei at all.

Which makes me feel worse that I didn't catch that read, but I guess that comes with the territory.

[Ricochet]

Great result. BIH Sloonei (but see you next time)

[Tangrowth]

Haha, wow, should have stuck with my gut on Sloonei. But that's okay, I'm happy with my performance today, and Sloonei tried his best. He should proud, but we've done good, town. We should be more proud.

BIH Sloonei. Sad to see you go from a personal level, but so glad to have your role gone!

I also really think Scotty makes sense as a Sloonei teammate, before conducting any detailed research. I will confirm or deny, however.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Well, that went a lot better than I was expecting.

Good job town.

Now I really need to go sleep. Catching up tomorrow.

[Tangrowth]

Here is my response to Scotty in bolded cyan:

Here's the skivvy. Bass said I was buddying up with MP early on for giving an agreement on day 1 philosophies. Then I went to work. While I was away, Bass asked me why I haven't voted yet (that was weird btw). I got back at 8, didn't realize the poll ended at 9, so I tried to read through the 6 pages I missed, still answering now, though had to throw my strongest suspicion out early before the poll ended.

"he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster," I thought I did do that, by pointing out Elo's hypocritical rhetoric of being a low poster.

You did indeed. My point was, in the moment you cast your vote for Elo, you said "But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now." You didn't say it was because she was a low poster. Perhaps you implied that from your post here, which is what you're referencing in your response. If so, then fine. I just found it odd, it seems to me like you fabricated a reason to accompany your vote.

As I've asked you (multiple times), how does Elo's relatively low post count accompanied with her sentiment against low posters make her mafia? You never explained that. You just pointed out the irony of it.

Also, as I've asked, how does her response being "comfortable and jokey" make her mafia? You didn't say that here either. You just it "stands out".

MP, you had all day to take a position on someone, you had your pretty rainbow lists, and yet in the last 30 minutes when I didn't have enough time to explain myself, you jump on this logic? THAT is suspicious.

I'm allowed to cast my vote however I wish. Yes, I didn't give you time to defend yourself, and perhaps that was a poor move. I understand why you'd be upset about that. I thought my thought process was transparent. I clearly show why I suspect you. It's not my fault you waited until you voted to actually name any suspects.

"Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle"
I don't know what his conventional playstyle is. How can I take advantage of that? MM is a conundrum. At a gut read, I don't trust him because he STILL hasn't answered why he even mentioned that he got something from Day 0 PMs, and he's still playing that vague playstyle that COULD be good or COULD be bad.

I didn't say you did. I say I did. So you still don't issue any opinion on him.

linki;

Scotty, don't sweat it. I can empathize. I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1), but I wasn't feeling too confident in any of my reads, and your vote pinged me pretty bad. I really look forward to hearing what you have to contribute later on, if you do survive.

Then why did you do it. Out of all the cases, you chose to vote for me because you suddenly had a realization in the last few minutes? My case for Elo is far more substantiated with my viewpoints on Day 1 than your case for me

Why did I do it? Really? I voted for you because I find you suspicious. I clearly showed why. You have alleviated none of my concerns with this response.

You really think that? I don't. Your vote is weak. You didn't name any suspects throughout all of Day 1, instead latching onto the easy cop out of no shows and low posters. Then you cast a vote with terrible reasoning that does NOT vibe with what you said previously. Elo's behavior may be ironic, but you still never tell me why you think her behavior makes her MAFIA.

Now I've spent way too much time mafiaing today, and I have a busy weekend ahead, so be back later, folks.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also what's "BIH?"

[thellama73]

Also what's "BIH?"

Burn in Hell, suckaz.

[thellama73]

Golden and espers don't look so hot after this lynch. Golden's is perhaps a little too on the nose, though.

[Tangrowth]

Nice picture, Llama!

Scotty, my bad, didn't realize you were unfamiliar with the terminology. OMGUS and NO U are essentially the same. OMGUS stands for "Oh My God You Suck", which was popularized in the greater mafia community, whereas NO U tended to be what was always used in my mafia history. It refers to when you respond to a case against you by turning around and suspecting the player that accused you, and is generally seen to be a desperate or suspicious tactic, particularly if the content of the rebuttal is suspect.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

I'm turning on you in the past few minutes because of the manner of which you voted me. I'm not suspecting/OMGUS/NO U for Bass, because he's been actively attempting to come after me, which I think is a notable civ move. It's the wrong civ move, because I think his argument centered around "buddying" around you is rather weak (though it is Day 1. Everything's gonna be bloody weak). You've been waffling on GMan all day, and I guess were willing to latch onto whoever seemed the most tunneled. THAT seems like mafia behavior, tbh.

Ah, have to respond to this first, then I'm gone.

You know what seems like mafia behavior?

Spending all of Day 1 waiting. Waiting to see if anyone would no show. Not issuing a single affirmative opinion about any other player, despite posting considerably. Then voting for Elo, over an even lower poster, because of a "jokey" post and apparently because she ironically is one of the lower posters in the thread despite wanting to vote out low posters. Never explaining how that makes her mafia. Never explaining your thought process with transparency. Never answering my questions. Never explaining if you think Metalmarsh's behavior as "unhelpful" makes him either civilian or mafia. You still refuse to do that. Then you turn on me at the last minute merely because I caught onto your incredibly weak vote and explained all of this as to why I suspect you?

I didn't "latch" onto anything. If you think you were the most tunneled player on Day 1, you are severely mistaken.

I definitely think you're bad.

[Ricochet]

Sleep myself. I'd say this keeps G-Man on the table, because that was intense support from Sloonei, especially done while G-Man became absent (and G-Man missed the voted today). Of course, it could be latching up to someone not from the team, but that interval of defending GMan in his absence, plus that time Sloonei actually backpedalled a little, saying he just offered "vague support" and G-Man should still be looked into, gives a lot of pause. I'll have to look into others as well, though.

[thellama73]

I like where your head's at, MP. You're in the game, and that's what we need.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Good job everyone. I knew something was off with him.

[DharmaHelper]

Day 1's are a crapshoot.

[thellama73]

Day 1's are a crapshoot.

Not when you have supatown llama on the case, they ain't.

[Sloonei]

lol good game

[Scotty]

My responses in Purple (In spoiler because it's long)

Spoiler: show

Here is my response to Scotty in bolded cyan:

Here's the skivvy. Bass said I was buddying up with MP early on for giving an agreement on day 1 philosophies. Then I went to work. While I was away, Bass asked me why I haven't voted yet (that was weird btw). I got back at 8, didn't realize the poll ended at 9, so I tried to read through the 6 pages I missed, still answering now, though had to throw my strongest suspicion out early before the poll ended.

"he makes no mention of Elo being a low poster as the reason for his vote, which I find odd, since he called her out for being a low poster," I thought I did do that, by pointing out Elo's hypocritical rhetoric of being a low poster.

You did indeed. My point was, in the moment you cast your vote for Elo, you said "But ehlo's recent response seems comfortable and jokey, and it's standing out to me right now." You didn't say it was because she was a low poster. Perhaps you implied that from your post here, which is what you're referencing in your response. If so, then fine. I just found it odd, it seems to me like you fabricated a reason to accompany your vote.
Yes, that reason was meant as -in addition to-

As I've asked you (multiple times), how does Elo's relatively low post count accompanied with her sentiment against low posters make her mafia? You never explained that. You just pointed out the irony of it.

It doesn't make her mafia. It makes her suspicious. Hypocrisy is not a positive thing, in most countries. The only person we KNOW is mafia is Sloonei.

Also, as I've asked, how does her response being "comfortable and jokey" make her mafia? You didn't say that here either. You just it "stands out".

It's another thing that stands out because when she was taking heat, her attitude was laid-back in my opinion. Why does that makes her mafia? Again, it doesn't. It's just suspicious. She even used comfortability to apply a read to DDL as civ. So maybe you should ask her why she thinks being too comfortable makes him civ?

MP, you had all day to take a position on someone, you had your pretty rainbow lists, and yet in the last 30 minutes when I didn't have enough time to explain myself, you jump on this logic? THAT is suspicious.

I'm allowed to cast my vote however I wish. Yes, I didn't give you time to defend yourself, and perhaps that was a poor move. I understand why you'd be upset about that. I thought my thought process was transparent. I clearly show why I suspect you. It's not my fault you waited until you voted to actually name any suspects.

Yes, you are allowed to vote how you want. I wasn't telling you how to vote. Look, I'm settling down because I'm not in full catch-up frenzy mode, and I can see why you would have voted, but whereas you had all day with people you suspected and then decided to put them off for another day for a last-minute choice was very fishy to me. And not just because it was for me (though that might have had something to do with it ). The reason I didn't post concrete suspects is 1) It's Day 1, and I gotta admit I didn't have concrete suspects, 2) I wanted to hear from multiple people when I got home before I made decisions on a vote and 3) My vote was dependent on #2. I didn't like Elo's limited response at the end of the day.

But Scotty? What about LongCon? He didn't say anything or vote today!
That is correct, however, I look at all low posters and determine based on the quality of posters if one is glaring at me above the others. Of the 5 I listed at 8:30, LC was up there because he didn't talk in Day 1, but I still wouldn't consider him a "no-show". In hindsight, if I had more time, maybe I would have come to a better conclusion and argument to vote LC over Elo, but I felt from what I briefly read at 8:45 that she seemed to fit the bill better.

"Combine that with the fact that he kept harping on MM being "unhelpful", which is something I've done in past games as a mafia to try to take advantage of his unconventional playstyle"
I don't know what his conventional playstyle is. How can I take advantage of that? MM is a conundrum. At a gut read, I don't trust him because he STILL hasn't answered why he even mentioned that he got something from Day 0 PMs, and he's still playing that vague playstyle that COULD be good or COULD be bad.

I didn't say you did. I say I did. So you still don't issue any opinion on him.

But you did say I did, through connotation. You said "He kept doing A. I've done A in past games, which is suspicious.
And I did offer an opinion of him. I said as a gut read that I don't trust him. But that he could be good or bad. As could you, for that matter.

linki;

Scotty, don't sweat it. I can empathize. I'm sorry I voted for you today suddenly (well, only if you're mafia, but either way I hate voting someone out of nowhere on Day 1), but I wasn't feeling too confident in any of my reads, and your vote pinged me pretty bad. I really look forward to hearing what you have to contribute later on, if you do survive.

Then why did you do it. Out of all the cases, you chose to vote for me because you suddenly had a realization in the last few minutes? My case for Elo is far more substantiated with my viewpoints on Day 1 than your case for me

Why did I do it? Really? I voted for you because I find you suspicious. I clearly showed why. You have alleviated none of my concerns with this response.

You really think that? I don't. Your vote is weak. You didn't name any suspects throughout all of Day 1, instead latching onto the easy cop out of no shows and low posters. Then you cast a vote with terrible reasoning that does NOT vibe with what you said previously. Elo's behavior may be ironic, but you still never tell me why you think her behavior makes her MAFIA.

Easy cop-out of no shows and low posters? Reasoning that doesn't vibe with what I said previously?

If we are going to consider a policy lynch of any sort for Day 1, why not the person with the lowest posts?

If anything, we should policy lynch a player who is least apt to contribute, rather than one that is apt to most contribute. I've been in Golden's shoes, hot off a baddie win or having a ton of baddie roles, and everyone started viewing everything I had to say with blood-colored glasses, instead of analyzing my words and making up their minds after being open to either scenario.

I will not stand for a closed-minded town on Day 1.

At least I picked out low posters as my candidates today. More than I can say for you.

Now I've spent way too much time mafiaing today, and I have a busy weekend ahead, so be back later, folks.

Didn't know I'd have to be conversing with you so intently tonight, MP. I actually had you as civ up there with Sloonei up until 2 hours ago. Now I'm leaning....not.

At this point, I think it would be prudent to look at everyone who didn't vote Sloonei today (including me) and look into possible reads as to connections to Sloonei.

[thellama73]

At this point, I think it would be prudent to look at everyone who didn't vote Sloonei today (including me) and look into possible reads as to connections to Sloonei.

You think it's prudent to look at yourself?

[Golden]

Sometimes I can't believe how supatown I am. Boosh!

That makes two of us.

Good job, llama (and others). I'm a big fan of supatown llama.

[Scotty]

I will add that I am not attempting to tunnel into you, MP. I think it has been a lot of my defensive neurotics talking, but I do spot some hypocrisy in your vote for me.

You very well may have made up your mind on me, but I can assure you that I am not mafia, and I suggest looking at other people as we go along.

linki-
@llama- sure! why wouldn't it? I certainly didn't suspect Sloonei, so why not be included in that group.

[Scotty]

Day 1's are a crapshoot.

Not when you have supatown llama on the case, they ain't.

Since you're probably the most civ-looking here, do you have any new suspects on your radar?

[thellama73]

linki-
@llama- sure! why wouldn't it? I certainly didn't suspect Sloonei, so why not be included in that group.

Because you presumably already know your own role.

Day 1's are a crapshoot.

Not when you have supatown llama on the case, they ain't.

Since you're probably the most civ-looking here, do you have any new suspects on your radar?

Yes, but people who talked a lot at Night had a bad habit of dying in Guess WHo,so you'll have to wait to hear about them.

[Russtifinko]

Holy shit, good job team! Beast mode, there.

I hereby drop my suspicion of llama until further notice. :P

So at the risk of adding fuel to the engine of what may be a forming bandwagon, something Scotty said right before the lynch pinged me, but it wasn't any of the stuff MP was talking about. Here it is:

I still don't understand the "buddying". If my offhand comment about agreeing with MP's opinion on first-day lynching is to be considered "buddying" then sure, we're buddies, we're getting married next week and having 5 beautiful illegitimate children.

For the record, I'm getting strong civ read from you Bass, though you are suspicious of me

The hyperbole combined with the magnanimity just strikes me as off, somehow. Pretty defensive but also super restrained and friendly.

[Scotty]

Looking at MM, since I don't trust him.

I have to leave for work, so I will vote now so to not risk missing the deadline.

I will vote nijuukyugou, but in reality I don't have any strong baddie reads on anyone.

Understandable that he had to make work. At least he admits he felt wishy-washy over the whole day. His posts certainly echoed that.

At 10am Day 1:

MM who are you thinking about voting for?

I don't know yet. I'm still observing. I also have to run to work here soon, but I've got a 3 hour window later I can sit down and take a look back (or catch up if things speed along again).

Stay tuned for more.

His next posts over the course of the day covered topics like

So did anyone get anything from the day zero poll?

I did not.

I did.

Anything you can share with us?

No.

Brings up that he got something from the poll, and yet when pressured, withholds the information.
That's like soliciting prostitution, and her telling you it's free of charge, plus she has other gifts to offer. And you're thinking 'Jackpot!' But the gift turns out to be crabs
After the other person who voted with him on the Day 0 poll (esper) answers that he didn't receive anything, no one else comments of having received anything from that poll.

So did anyone get anything from the day zero poll?

I did not.

I did.

Anything you can share with us?

No.

There's the MM I remember from BoB. Intentionally vague and unhelpful when questioned about outside information.

Why even comment about it at all?

I want to see who else benefited from the poll and what I think of them.

I didn't receive anything from the day 0 poll.

catching up with the rest of the thread now.

That's interesting.

@MM- So no one has (openly at least) benefited from the poll. Do you have anything to say about why you were so lucky, and/or why specifically you can't share the info?

You follow up the day with a "rainbow/gun-to-the-head" read on everyone, which was...artistic, I guess.
And once again, vague and unhelpful.

For what it's worth, MM never offers his opinion on Sloonei. As a matte of fact, his view of Sloonei in his "read chart" was [Sloonei ]
His only interaction with Sloonei on Day 1 was this:

I have to go to work in a moment, and at this point the two strongest "pings" I've got have been frok Elo and Ninja.
Elo for how quickly she stated and abandoned a suspicion against me. She first listed me and G-man as her two early suspects. I very simply asked her to explain her suspicion of me and her response was essentially "never mind, i'm not suspicious of you." I can see this as a player (Elo) who wanted to cast suspicion on a vocal player (me) for the sake of having a suspect, but when I pressed her on it she was not prepared to back it up.

MP commented on this as well, but perhaps you will see it later.

Now his only read and vote is on Ninja. So let's see what pinged him:

ping on ninja's long post...

Her finding llama's adverb idea 'interesting' and suggesting she might be willing to vote sloonei, that whole latter part of her post felt quite bandwaggony to me and not quite sincere.

The opening segment, apologizing for a long post, bothered me more-so.

That's it.

Also to note, he voted WITH Sloonei on the vote for ninja. back to back.

Seems like he set himself up well by saying he didn't have any strong reads before heading to work, and voting ninja, who he has as top suspect...because....she apologized for a long post. That's it.

[Scotty]

Yes, but people who talked a lot at Night had a bad habit of dying in Guess WHo,so you'll have to wait to hear about them.

oops.

[Scotty]

So at the risk of adding fuel to the engine of what may be a forming bandwagon, something Scotty said right before the lynch pinged me, but it wasn't any of the stuff MP was talking about. Here it is:

I still don't understand the "buddying". If my offhand comment about agreeing with MP's opinion on first-day lynching is to be considered "buddying" then sure, we're buddies, we're getting married next week and having 5 beautiful illegitimate children.

For the record, I'm getting strong civ read from you Bass, though you are suspicious of me

The hyperbole combined with the magnanimity just strikes me as off, somehow. Pretty defensive but also super restrained and friendly.

I felt overly aggressive and overwhelmed at that point. I'll make a vow as best I can to not coagulate all of my thoughts in a matter of 45 minutes or whatnot before the vote in the future, because that gave me a headache. I'm a pretty off-the-cuff person in general, so in this instance, I was expressing my opinion followed by another opinion. I try not to make it too heavy or too light in my posts, you'll find.

[nijuukyugou]

Hooray! Very nice! Bye, Sloonei!

[Golden]

I'm working my way through now.

If I'd been able to catch up with the thread before voting, I would not have voted Ninja. Her subsequent posts were pretty good looking.

I probably still would not have voted Sloonei, although the stuff started by llama about how sloonei reacted to the case on him, and where even llama admitted the original case was silly, really did go back to my Aces in RR thing, and I appreciate llama successfully catching a baddie in that way.

With that said, at the point I'm up to now I think that my vote may have gone to timmer, the point of his approach to the game when deborah is something that rang true to me (I had forgotten timmer was deb).