Angry Birds [ENDGAME]

[FZ.]

Made

MovingPictures07

Hard one. Maybe mafia
Civ

[nijuukyugou]

mafia
civ

[Tangrowth]

nijuukyugou

Russtifinko

[lipsticklacey]

nijuukyugou

Russtifinko

civ

civ

[Tangrowth]

mafia
mafia

[nijuukyugou]

civ
civ

[FZ.]

nijuukyugou

Russtifinko

mmmmmmmmmmmmm, civvie? But I'm tempted to say mafia, LOl

Can't say. He's said almost nothing. I don't remember his posts

[Made]

nijuukyugou

Russtifinko

civvie
mafia

[Tangrowth]

Spacedaisy

thellama73

[Tangrowth]

civilian
mafia

[Made]

What part of no ummmm ehhhhh i don't know are people not getting? lol

ok, ice bear is out and will return later to night...likely...
Goodbye

linki-
civve
civve
...

[nijuukyugou]

mafia
mafia

[Made]

Ice bear might as well finish now,
Last answer is Civvie.

[FZ.]

Spacedaisy

thellama73

180 shift warning:

civvie

civ. But might change my mind in seconds

[Tangrowth]

Last one:

TinyBubbles

[FZ.]

civ

[Tangrowth]

Last one:

TinyBubbles

mafia

[lipsticklacey]

Spacedaisy

thellama73

civ

mafia

[lipsticklacey]

Last one:

TinyBubbles

mafia

[nijuukyugou]

mafia

(My numbers definitely do not add up)

[lipsticklacey]

Last one:

TinyBubbles

mafia

Also, last one? Game's over? Then I'm going to eat dinner, and will return in a bit to vote.

[Tangrowth]

The Game is complete!

Thanks to those who participated!

I'll compile the results and post my analysis shortly.

[FZ.]

Meh, that just managed to confuse me. Maybe I shouldn't have stayed up until after 3 am. My ability to think straight is definitely hindered. But what this little game showed me is, that I'm not ready to vote for either llama or daisy yet. I'm going with Splints again. This decision may suck, but I'm sorry.


Good night.

[Tangrowth]

Before I post The Game results, I want to respond to a few posts.

First off, FZ., I'm not sure what alignment Elo would choose. The very fact that she came out and admitted in the thread that she and Epi get to pick roles would generally be considered a mafia NO NO, in my opinion, since it's an unspoken rule of fairness that all roles should be randomized. I know it's discussed and many folks believe that some hosts tweak roles thereafter, but nonetheless, I think it was in bad taste that Elo admitted such a fact. It's entirely unfair to all of the other players who do not receive the luxury to pick their roles. I avoided discussing it earlier because I've been busy and didn't want to cause any trouble, but I want to make my thoughts known on the matter.

As to whether Elo picked mafia or civilian, it's a WIFOM game, and I was a bit pinged by the fact that she wanted us to be trapped by the WIFOM. I really don't know what she would pick. What do you think?

Because it's apparently the key to appearing suspicious, which is kinda ridiculous, but okay, I get it.

Sure, I'm up for a game. I'd like to know what it is first, so I don't end up like Michael Douglas, but okay!

So you're concerned about appearing suspicious?

The game is on, if FZ. and Blooper are willing. Anyone else want in? Quickly.

Only so far as I'd like to keep playing, and appearing suspicious seems to get you lynched.

Also, so glad you got the movie reference.

Do you think civilians have anything to lose though by being lynched?

Now you've make me sad, voting for me lke that. The situation is like this; I am quite busy just trying to keep up in recruitment. I serpent my morning with my husband because we didn't get a Kk of time together yesterday. And I didn't want to miss the vote. So I voted for Made because the third person ice bear stuff annoyed me. It is pretty much a random vote I'm not bag though, so lynching me is a waste of time. But I'm loving keeping everyone guessing with my unexpected vote.

Daisy. You're here now. So you didn't miss the vote. There's plenty of time. Why not wait with the vote and save it for later just in case you had more time to read?

I thought civ, but now I'm thinking she is trying to look good by defending a civ, so maybe mafia

civ

If my typos didn't give it away, I'm posting from my phone, which is difficult. On my lunch break, which I never know if I am even going to get one. I didn't want to risk missing it, so I voted. Pretty straightforward actually.

What is this game nonsense?

Hey, you're supposed to be working. :P

This first post made me feel infinitely better about Daisy. (Second post I get null read on its own). It's just my intuition, but sincerity just oozes from this. I can vouch that we did spend time together this morning, as well; since I've been so busy with PhD work and she's been busy with her job, it's been tougher to make time.

[Tangrowth]

The Game Results:

Click here to access the results spreadsheet.

Analysis and observations:
- All five game participants agreed that Boomslang, DFaraday, and FZ. seem civilian.
- Every participant, except for one, agreed that fingersplints seems mafia.
- It is therefore, VERY interesting, that fingersplints has hardly been discussed today (if at all, really, besides FZ. mentioning her), and only has one vote (which FZ. just cast, after the conclusion of this game).
- In contrast, the players with the two most votes at the moment, with three each, (thellama73 and Spacedaisy) do not have the same degree of perception. 3 out of 5 players believed Llama seemed more mafia, whereas only 1 thought Spacedaisy seemed mafia.

- Blooper seemed hyper-concerned with the fact that her mafia reads outnumbered her civilian reads. She was the only participant to name MORE gun-to-head mafia reads than civilian reads.
- Made named exactly four mafia reads, which is the number of mafia in this game.
- FZ. was the only player who occasionally gave answers that were not clear cut, with the exception of one addendum by Made (when he said he wanted to change his read on Elo to Indy).

- Both FZ. and I changed our minds on several of our reads when we were forced to decide, most notably on Spacedaisy (from mafia to civilian), who could die today, as well as on LoRab (from civilian to mafia). Personally, I would have still read Daisy as mafia if she had not posted what she did during The Game.
- Other than that, I did not notice any drastic shifts in opinion from any other player, but it would be interesting to compare these GTH responses with anything these participants said previously.

What did you all think of this exercise? What do you make of the results?

[Marmot]

I'm annoyed that you did it when I was not around MP. Now you guys go and get all chatty and stuff.

[lipsticklacey]

Because it's apparently the key to appearing suspicious, which is kinda ridiculous, but okay, I get it.

Sure, I'm up for a game. I'd like to know what it is first, so I don't end up like Michael Douglas, but okay!

So you're concerned about appearing suspicious?

The game is on, if FZ. and Blooper are willing. Anyone else want in? Quickly.

Only so far as I'd like to keep playing, and appearing suspicious seems to get you lynched.

Also, so glad you got the movie reference.

Do you think civilians have anything to lose though by being lynched?

I guess not, but I thought one quit playing when one was lynched. I suppose it doesn't matter in the big view, though, as long as all the baddies get lynched...

[lipsticklacey]

The Game Results:

Click here to access the results spreadsheet.

Analysis and observations:
- All five game participants agreed that Boomslang, DFaraday, and FZ. seem civilian.
- Every participant, except for one, agreed that fingersplints seems mafia.
- It is therefore, VERY interesting, that fingersplints has hardly been discussed today (if at all, really, besides FZ. mentioning her), and only has one vote (which FZ. just cast, after the conclusion of this game).
- In contrast, the players with the two most votes at the moment, with three each, (thellama73 and Spacedaisy) do not have the same degree of perception. 3 out of 5 players believed Llama seemed more mafia, whereas only 1 thought Spacedaisy seemed mafia.

- Blooper seemed hyper-concerned with the fact that her mafia reads outnumbered her civilian reads. She was the only participant to name MORE gun-to-head mafia reads than civilian reads.
- Made named exactly four mafia reads, which is the number of mafia in this game.
- FZ. was the only player who occasionally gave answers that were not clear cut, with the exception of one addendum by Made (when he said he wanted to change his read on Elo to Indy).

- Both FZ. and I changed our minds on several of our reads when we were forced to decide, most notably on Spacedaisy (from mafia to civilian), who could die today, as well as on LoRab (from civilian to mafia). Personally, I would have still read Daisy as mafia if she had not posted what she did during The Game.
- Other than that, I did not notice any drastic shifts in opinion from any other player, but it would be interesting to compare these GTH responses with anything these participants said previously.

What did you all think of this exercise? What do you make of the results?

Thank you for compiling these results! After review, and taking my own GTH response into account, I'm going to join FZ and vote Splints.

[Elohcin]

I'll exlpaing my vote later...gotta run

[Tangrowth]

I'm annoyed that you did it when I was not around MP. Now you guys go and get all chatty and stuff.

My bad. I would have preferred to have more folks, but at least it was run now.

I suppose we could always do another, but it wouldn't have the same impact.

[Tangrowth]

I'll exlpaing my vote later...gotta run

Drive-by votes are not cool. It takes two seconds to explain your vote. You had time to type that but not add an extra sentence?

Why aren't you recognizing the fact that I just stated an opinion on Daisy that she seemed incredibly genuine?

[Marmot]

I'll exlpaing my vote later...gotta run

Don't exlpaing all over me, please.

[Marmot]

I'm annoyed that you did it when I was not around MP. Now you guys go and get all chatty and stuff.

My bad. I would have preferred to have more folks, but at least it was run now.

I suppose we could always do another, but it wouldn't have the same impact.

If you want to, but I think daytime is more ideal for it. Plus I'm still catching up on the last couple pages. Believe it or not, there was far more material to catch up on in this thread than the Recruitment thread.

[Tangrowth]

I'm annoyed that you did it when I was not around MP. Now you guys go and get all chatty and stuff.

My bad. I would have preferred to have more folks, but at least it was run now.

I suppose we could always do another, but it wouldn't have the same impact.

If you want to, but I think daytime is more ideal for it. Plus I'm still catching up on the last couple pages. Believe it or not, there was far more material to catch up on in this thread than the Recruitment thread.

Day (as in mafia Day) time or day time?

[Marmot]

I'm annoyed that you did it when I was not around MP. Now you guys go and get all chatty and stuff.

My bad. I would have preferred to have more folks, but at least it was run now.

I suppose we could always do another, but it wouldn't have the same impact.

If you want to, but I think daytime is more ideal for it. Plus I'm still catching up on the last couple pages. Believe it or not, there was far more material to catch up on in this thread than the Recruitment thread.

Day (as in mafia Day) time or day time?

Mafia day phase.

[Epignosis]

My brother's birthday is tomorrow, so we were celebrating at his house all day today. Give me a bit and I'll put together a post.

[Marmot]

Hey Sockface, is there any reason why you skipped reads on me during the GTH reads? I assume it was just a mistake.

[Marmot]

This game is missing a Rainbow List. Who wants one?

I could do without one.

On a completely different note, I think Lacey may be mafia. She is really playing that newbie card hard.

I agree with that statement. Not ready to lynch her today (I have an overly developed sense of personal guilt), but I am thinking in that direction, as well.

Why not? You gave her D1 at least.

Because I feel like a brand new player needs 3 games, before they realize they love the game and will come back for more. And to also get a grasp. She's one of my closest friends. I have no problem killing her when the time comes, I just need to , personally, give her another day beofre I feel ethically good about doing so.

It took Cookie 3 games to figure out she hated being mafia and quit.

MP was just forced-vote by someone who thought it would be funny to make him a hypocrite for a second day in a row.

If he were the bomb, he wouldn't want to be lynched this early since it's just a random voter who gets taken down alongside the bomb, and at this point, that would more likely to result in 2 dead civvies in most situations.

With MP's spike in activity, this becomes more believable. But what civilian try to force other players' hands like that to make their behavior look "suspicious"?

Or Spacedaisy's vote was forced? Again, same argument with MP, because I don't think anyone suspected Made on Day 1.

Drive-by votes are not cool.

Says the self voter :P

But agreed.

I AM NOW POSTING IN QUADRUPLE DIGITS

I need to get out more

Congratulations!

So who do you find the most suspicious? I can see myself voting for either Daisy or llama who have votes. But I'm still hesitant

On further review, I think I find llama most suspicious. He was among the Scotty voters without much justification, and he seems to have deliberately misread the role blocking of last night to justify a vote for tinybubbles. I don't know what to make of Daisy's vote yet, and the possibility that MP is the bomb makes me pause before voting for him again. So I'll go ahead and *vote llama*

Here's the thing: This is a classic Llama civvie game to me, agro someone hard day one, get himself lynched day two (Read Ice Bears post history for proof) . From Ice Bear's perspective, Llama seems to only get himself killed when he's civvie, and has no team to defend, so he act however he pleases, regardless of where that might get him.


Ice bear feels as if no one acknowledged the suspicions of boo. So Ice Bear will place his vote there today

MP seems very sketchy, but ice bear isn't ready to lynch him yet. Maybe a day 4th quarter day 3 1st quarter day 4 MP lynch depending on how he plays.


oh woah, lots of post Ice bear will respond to direct messages then finish reads.

Here's the other thing. In the very last speed game, llama went baddie-hunting like crazy on Day 1, and caught Sloonei and got him lynched. He was subsequently nightkilled that night.

You are not entirely correct.

[Epignosis]

Who is trying to steal the eggs?

Poll ended at Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:21 pm

boo
1
Made (11)
7%

Boomslang
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

fingersplints
2
FZ. (12), lipsticklacey (13)
14%

FZ.
0
No votes

LoRab
0
No votes

lipsticklacey
0
No votes

Made
1
Spacedaisy (2)
7%

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
1
MovingPictures07 (3)
7%

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

Russtifinko
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
4
boo (6), DFaraday (7), nijuukyugou (10), Elohcin (14)
29%

thellama73
3
Metalmarsh89 (5), Boomslang (8), TinyBubbles (9)
21%

TinyBubbles
1
thellama73 (4)
7%

El Porkador (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
1
Epignosis (1)
7%


Total votes : 14

[Elohcin]

I'll exlpaing my vote later...gotta run

Drive-by votes are not cool. It takes two seconds to explain your vote. You had time to type that but not add an extra sentence?

Why aren't you recognizing the fact that I just stated an opinion on Daisy that she seemed incredibly genuine?

Tell me that when you have two dirty screaming children in the bathtub all soaped up and COLD waiting for you to rinse them off. We were at a birthday party much later than expected and the kids were dirty from hear to toe. I had to put them straight in the bath. There were crying b/c they had fallen asleep on the way home (about 30 minute drive) and I had to wake them to bathe them. You deal with that situation and tell me you can wrap your head around the game and explain a vote.

Now, to explain...I wasn't thinking straight. I worked this morning, worked out, showered and got my kids ready, and we left for the birthday. I thought I would be back in plenty of time to catch up, discuss, and vote. If I were thinking straight, I would have voted myself as not to put suspicion on myself in any way. Daisy, I am sorry. I saw you had the most and threw a vote there so I could rush back to my kids and get them warm and in their beds. I'm so sorry I have been such a sucky participant this game so far. I really feel bad about it all.

[boo]

Guess so. Sorry.

Now I just have to decide if I'd rather vote for llama or Daisy. What do you think about llama?

His suspicion of Tiny is weak. Could be forced. I believe he's out of town, but that doesn't excuse the fact that his two votes suck, just like Daisy's.

I think both of them seem mafia; however, there's reason for me to doubt a vote for either of them, due to the fact that their play could be considered sloppy if mafia.

That's why I'm hesitant too. But I have no one else I can vote for, unless I vote for Splints again, but she hasn't posted this day.

Not sure what I think about Ninja. She's voted like me last day, and now she's saying the same things that have been said before. Have we ever agreed like that? Not that I recall.

linki: Boo, I didn't realize the kill from the bomb lynch would be random. I thought he could choose. If that's the case, then you're right, it's even less likely.
But a person can't be targeted twice in a row, so his two self votes can't be for the same reason, not to mention this was the first night. Could someone tell him who to vote for on the first day?

I buy his D1 self-vote, I meant that the SK is probably someone who found the thought of making him self-vote for a second straight day would be amusing.

[Epignosis]

Oink Oink. Skeletor again. I see you lynched spacedaisy. Excellent choice. She reminds me too much of Zoar.

spacedaisy has been lynched. She was Mighty Eagle.

You have until 8pm EST to submit your PMs.

[Marmot]

Elohcin, why would you break a tie between her and llama, and then immediately apologize for it?

Dirty smelly kids and husband aside, I appreciate you breaking the tie, but I don't like your reasoning for it.

Linki: Oh, by Spacedaisy.

[Marmot]

I buy his D1 self-vote, I meant that the SK is probably someone who found the thought of making him self-vote for a second straight day would be amusing.

Oh, that changes things. I missed that part of Gale's role.

[Marmot]

Elohcin, why would you break a tie between her and llama, and then immediately apologize for it?

Dirty smelly kids and husband aside, I appreciate you breaking the tie, but I don't like your reasoning for it.

Linki: Oh, by Spacedaisy.

EBWOP: bye Spacedaisy.

[boo]

@MM: There isn't a civ role that can make someone vote for someone else (there is Stella, who can make someone not vote. Although I'm not sure if means the person actually can't vote, or if the vote is worth 0. not letting someone vote seems a little odd), that's one of the SKers powers. Also, someone used 'indy' to refer to that role, but to be clear, bad princess is LMS (or last-bird standing. and the baddies are pigs. Is she able to win with the baddes?)

@Epi: Clarification on bad princess win con?

[Epignosis]

It's a bird, not a man. LBS. Not LMS. Same diff.

[Marmot]

Does this bird have teeth?

[Elohcin]

Elohcin, why would you break a tie between her and llama, and then immediately apologize for it?

Dirty smelly kids and husband aside, I appreciate you breaking the tie, but I don't like your reasoning for it.

Linki: Oh, by Spacedaisy.

I honestly was not thinking. I just thought I saw she had the most votes and placed my vote there and ran back to the kids. I wanted them to be warm and in their bed asap. I should have pulled an MM and voted myself I'm sorry Daisy

[Epignosis]

Could also just ask:

@Hosts: On a baddie team, who holds the kill?

Whichever pig wants to do the deed.