Twin Peaks Mafia FIRST GAME: {GAME OVER}

#1051

Kate wrote:
Lets not forget this...

Welcome to Twin Peaks. It is Day 0. It is your job to find out who killed Laura Palmer. Some people are not who they say they are. Other people do not know who they are yet. All that is certain is that only one can win...

Bob killed Laura Palmer . . . but what if Bob doesn't know he's Bob?

#1052

Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Lets not forget this...

Welcome to Twin Peaks. It is Day 0. It is your job to find out who killed Laura Palmer. Some people are not who they say they are. Other people do not know who they are yet. All that is certain is that only one can win...
Bob killed Laura Palmer . . . but what if Bob doesn't know he's Bob?

Or the possessed dont know they are possessed?

#1053

Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Lets not forget this...

Welcome to Twin Peaks. It is Day 0. It is your job to find out who killed Laura Palmer. Some people are not who they say they are. Other people do not know who they are yet. All that is certain is that only one can win...
Bob killed Laura Palmer . . . but what if Bob doesn't know he's Bob?
Or the possessed dont know they are possessed?

#1054

Vompatti wrote:
I think Russ has some good points here:

Russtifinko wrote:I think BWT is a MUCH better candidate than either me or Vomps, and here's why.

He voted for 2 people who either were civs (Nev) or almost certainly were (Mata) at the time he voted them.

Here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=136&p=17222#p17222 he excuses his vote for BF by saying he hasn't had time to get into the game. Says he hasn't had time for the game and will reread some people (which he never does).

Here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=136&start=560 he says he may eye Kate today, and then writes a paragraph about why she shouldn't be looked at. He then says he doesn't know who to look at today. He suggests low posters, which is both a bit ironic and a bit pingy, in my opinion. He says he finally has time for the game and will be around all day, after which he writes one post defending Kate and isn't heard from the rest of the day. In his most recent post on Thursday he says he forgot to check in and get caught up, which he apparently hadn't done before.
The above is enough to convince me to vote for BWT instead of Russ, along with my feeling that the suspicion of Russ throughout the game has been exaggerated whereas BWT seems to have been blindly trusted.

This, however, seems far-fetched:

Russtifinko wrote:Combine the thread info with the fact that BWT won Minecraft as a baddie largely by not being present, and I think we're seeing a bad BWT. Kate and S~V~S's defenses of him worry me a lot. Kate and S~V~S are best friends irl and Kate won Minecraft with BWT, so they both seem like logical recruits for her. Furthermore, S~V~S was the first to defend Kate after the Nev debacle, saying she would never lead a lynch like that as a baddie. I'm starting to think Kate did just that.

If my theory is right, then what happened last night lines up perfectly. One uncovered recruit (BWT) killed, one was covered (S~V~S), and Kate is more or less clear of suspicion.
I'd be more inclined to believe that Kate and SVS are good and BWT is Bob (as I think he's been away too much to be a particularly useful recruit). I don't remember the defenses Russ is referring to and I'm not going to look them up (maybe someone else will?), but there's probably a logical explanation for them that doesn't make Kate and SVS bad.

I just wanted to mention this post because Vomps has a very good point. I feel pretty darn sure about my read on BWT, but the links to Kate and S~V~S aren't as strong. I hope that was clear from my post originally; it's why I didn't bother posting any quotes from them. Vomps, if you want quote where they vouch for each other and BWT I can pull them later.

This is ridiculous. 6 uncovered and llama, who seems very civ to me, may be lynched. I do think after this lynch we'll have a lot more clarity regarding who is bad, assuming it's not too late.

I have no idea what to make of the recent theories on the mechanics of the game. With all those extra roles around it seems like something has to happen though.

Gah I wish the post was up! The suspense is terrible.

#1055

Yeah, but i know that these points about BWT aren't true. Neither are the points about me or Kate.

So I can't get behind you or this theory becasue BWT, Kate and i are not bad (unless Kate or BWT was recruited recently~ I don't feel Kate was, and I think it unlikely BWT was either, although he has been really quiet

#1056

I have never been in a game where everybody seemed to be telling the truth as this one which is why I'm starting to believe the wacky theory that the possessed dont know they are so. Every time I convince myself of someone they seem to be able to convince me I'm wrong, or may be ring at least.

#1057

either Bob or the possessed would have to know, one or the other, wouldnt they? otherwise, how would nightkills be selected?

#1058

I think only bob knows if its one or the other.

#1059

Kate wrote:I have never been in a game where everybody seemed to be telling the truth as this one which is why I'm starting to believe the wacky theory that the possessed dont know they are so. Every time I convince myself of someone they seem to be able to convince me I'm wrong, or may be ring at least.

I feel the same way, Kate. Everytime I think I have someone pegged as bad, they do something to convince me otherwise.

#1060

Does it or does it not seem like we are all just aimless lol?

#1061

Kate, if you know (or even confidently believe) you, S~V~S, Mata, me, or BWT isn't Bob, then that leaves Vomps, Russ, or llama. I guess we'll see if llama is lynched. I don't know.

And llama, I do agree that the votes for you out of nowhere look bad, but if you, Russ, and/or Vomps are the group of cronies, then it can't possibly be that way, but I do understand your desire to make it appear as such. If you are being truthful, then yes, I agree they looked bad.

I also have a white role. I think S~V~S's theory about the black roles makes sense, but I do wonder how it'll all work, especially since INH said "only win can win" or whatever. How's that possible?

thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:I have never been in a game where everybody seemed to be telling the truth as this one which is why I'm starting to believe the wacky theory that the possessed dont know they are so. Every time I convince myself of someone they seem to be able to convince me I'm wrong, or may be ring at least.
I feel the same way, Kate. Everytime I think I have someone pegged as bad, they do something to convince me otherwise.

Seconded. This game has been completely insane. I feel the fact that I was mostly absent for a while there certainly didn't help, but it seems it might not have mattered anyway, lol.

Where's the post?!?! Lol. I'm fine with INH being busy, but I agree the suspense is killer, and I do think that if we have another unrecruited civvie lynch, then it means we pretty much have to be boned number-wise.

Oh well, back to studying Audit, which is much, much less fun.

#1062

Why is the clock always wrong with the timing of the posts? Does it have a glitch?

#1063

Matahari wrote:Why is the clock always wrong with the timing of the posts? Does it have a glitch?

You have to set the forum clock to your time zone.

#1064

Expert, textpert. Choking smokers, don't you think the joker laughs at you?

"As above, so below. The human being finds himself, or herself, in
the middle. There is as much space outside the human, proportionately,
as inside.

"Stars, moons, and planets remind us of protons, neutrons, and
electrons. Is there a bigger being walking with all the stars
within? Does our thinking affect what goes on outside us, and
what goes on inside us? I think it does.

"Where does creamed corn figure into the workings of the universe?
What really *is* creamed corn? Is it a symbol for something else?"

9. INT. TREMOND APARTMENT - DAY

A shadowy interior. Pill bottles of every size and description on litter the room. An old woman, MRS. TREMOND, reclines in bed. A SMALL BOY stands before her. He wears a dark suit. The boy's hands move gracefully through the air, perform a magic card trick. The old woman expectorates quietly into a handkerchief. She mutters.

Oh, mares eat oats; and does eat oats; and little lambs
eat ivy/A kiddledeet ivy too, wouldn't you?
Oh, mares eat oats; and does eat oats; and little lambs
eat ivy/A kiddledeet ivy too, wouldn't you?
Oh, mares eat oats; and does eat oats; and little lambs
eat ivy/A kiddledeet ivy too, wouldn't you?
Oh, mares eat oats; and does eat oats; and little lambs
eat ivy/A kiddledeet ivy too, wouldn't you?

Birdwithteeth is dead. He was James Hurley. He was not possessed by BOB. You have 24 hours to PM me your night actions.

#1065

You have to hit you people over the head with a freaking rock, don't you?

#1066

Ok we're screwed. I'd guess that Ben is a recruit, unless one of the bird voters gas double votes maybe? I'll go check but I doubt it.

#1067

Damn autocorrect.

#1068

Gah! This just gets worse and worse.

Now I have to rethink my reads on Roxy and Mata, as it would make no sense for them to vote for me and draw attention to themselves if they knew BWT was civvie. Why not go along with the crowd?

I expect I will be lynched next, but I would urge you to go on more than just this vote. We have pretty all voted to lynch civvies at this point, so none of our voting records is any better than mine. I think upon examination my game holds up as one that only a civvie would play.

#1069

The point isn't that you lynched a civvie; it is that you did it over the objections of someone who apparently had reason to know, and really made it pretty obvious, and never stopped saying it.

I think there are baddies, and i think some civvies have preconceived notions as to whom they should trust based on stuff not related to this game. And i think the baddies played right into that and did some MASSIVE manipulating in the last lynch.

MASSIVE. Go back and look at who is steering the thread. This is nothing like Nevin, no one was jumping up and down screaming about how Nevin was a civvie.

#1070

Oh man, this is bad. Really bad.

I'm sorry I didn't believe you, S~V~S.

#1071

The way I see it, the people who have steered, or tried to steer, the thread most have been Kate, Roxy, Mata and yes, me. I don't think coming up with plans and trying to se them executed is necessarily something only baddies do however. I still think nothing Mata has said in terms of strategy has made sense and I still think she is bad. Not sure about the rest.

#1072

Now fully half of us are baddies. It will be interesting to see what the night kills bring. I expect that the game won't be over when the baddies outnumber the civvies, though.

#1073

Wow llama, you're good. Mix a little truth in with the blarney. You must be bob, or maybe his first minion?

#1074

thellama73 wrote:Now fully half of us are baddies. It will be interesting to see what the night kills bring. I expect that the game won't be over when the baddies outnumber the civvies, though.

What makes you think this?

#1075

I mean today, Llama. Reread today. You don't think there was a bit of steering? Just a wee tad? I mainly mean the "plan" or lack thereof that got BWT lynched.

And Roxy?? Roxy hasn't tried to steer the thread. She has made her opinion clear, but that is different than steering.

Look at who kept steering the thread to me and BWT, when, while not outing anyone, I left some srs hints.

#1076

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Now fully half of us are baddies. It will be interesting to see what the night kills bring. I expect that the game won't be over when the baddies outnumber the civvies, though.
What makes you think this?

The second set of roles.

#1077

thellama73 wrote:Kate is either:
1. Civvie and sure of herself and wrong as she was with Nev, or
2. Bad and knows that someone other than me will be lynched today, because if she were
3. Bad and expecting to see me lynched, she would never say that I am definitely bad, knowing that I will flip civvie.

I was worried this would happen.

linki: Why don't you just say who you mean, SVS?

Linki again: yes, the second set of roles.

#1078

Matahari wrote:Wow llama, you're good.

Thank you. I have worked hard to become so.

Matahari wrote: You must be bob, or maybe his first minion?

Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.

#1079

Yes, but how will that even work? I mean, if Bob and his crew outnumber the civvies, what happens -- will they get to choose which of the black roles they want or will we be randomly assigned those and they "win" the white side of the game? The latter doesn't seem likely to me because INH said only "one can win", but then... what would be the whole point of the white role part of the game? Does this make sense?

As a result, while I do agree the explanation for the black roles that's been presented makes sense, I do wonder how it will all work. I was originally thinking it would just be like two separate games or something. Maybe the winners of each game then have a battle to duke it out in some secret after-game thing?

I guess it doesn't matter and we'll just see what happens, but it's fun to speculate.

Anyway, llama, are you still claiming your civvieness and you're convinced Kate is baddie? Does that mean S~V~S is as well in your eyes or what?

#1080

thellama73 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Kate is either:
1. Civvie and sure of herself and wrong as she was with Nev, or
2. Bad and knows that someone other than me will be lynched today, because if she were
3. Bad and expecting to see me lynched, she would never say that I am definitely bad, knowing that I will flip civvie.

You're still clinging to this??? YOU'ARE WRONG

And no, why would I name anyone? You guys left 6 people uncovered today. There is probably gonna be a kill, and naming names in the night gets you killed.

#1081

S~V~S wrote:You guys left 6 people uncovered today. There is probably gonna be a kill, and naming names in the night gets you killed.

Yeah, this was total fail on my part (and on other civvies who made a mistake), though the fact that I missed it doesn't seem to matter since you don't seem baddie at all, so I would have failed either way.

I have a feeling the game is going to end tonight because we should have at least 1 NK, right? Then that means there will be 4 on Bob's team and 3 of us, if 1 civvie is NKed, so there we go -- game over.

If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.

#1082

MovingPictures07 wrote: If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.

Why not Vompatti?

#1083

MovingPictures07 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You guys left 6 people uncovered today. There is probably gonna be a kill, and naming names in the night gets you killed.
Yeah, this was total fail on my part (and on other civvies who made a mistake), though the fact that I missed it doesn't seem to matter since you don't seem baddie at all, so I would have failed either way.

I have a feeling the game is going to end tonight because we should have at least 1 NK, right? Then that means there will be 4 on Bob's team and 3 of us, if 1 civvie is NKed, so there we go -- game over.

If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.

Seems to me that as soon as Bob's minions turn in their kills, its game over, right? We could get an end game post soon if the killers get a move on. Or, does it go until Bob recruits one more? I'm not sure on the count here

#1084

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.
Why not Vompatti?

It's very possible Vompatti is a third member, but I wasn't thinking he should necessarily be lynched over you or Russ.

I have to say, you're an incredibly good liar because even your posts after this reveal have me still questioning just a bit. Nicely done, good sir.

#1085

Matahari wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You guys left 6 people uncovered today. There is probably gonna be a kill, and naming names in the night gets you killed.
Yeah, this was total fail on my part (and on other civvies who made a mistake), though the fact that I missed it doesn't seem to matter since you don't seem baddie at all, so I would have failed either way.

I have a feeling the game is going to end tonight because we should have at least 1 NK, right? Then that means there will be 4 on Bob's team and 3 of us, if 1 civvie is NKed, so there we go -- game over.

If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.
Seems to me that as soon as Bob's minions turn in their kills, its game over, right? We could get an end game post soon if the killers get a move on. Or, does it go until Bob recruits one more? I'm not sure on the count here

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, because currently we're at 4 v. 4, right? Bob, his Day 0 recruit, his Day 2 recruit, and his now Day 4 recruit versus the other four of us.

Dammit.

#1086

MovingPictures07 wrote: Anyway, llama, are you still claiming your civvieness and you're convinced Kate is baddie? Does that mean S~V~S is as well in your eyes or what?

I am emphatically claiming my civvieness. The only thing I can figure out now is that Kate and SVS have been partnered up and playing us all for fools from the beginning. First Kate pushes HAARD for civvie lynch. Then, when she comes under fire, SVS vouches for her (plus the matter of her habitually early votes, which smells odd to me) now both of them are emphatically insisting that I am bad, when I know good and well I am not. Either Kate has gotten two pieces of very bad info in a row, or she has been lying the whole time.

I know I've been painted into a bad corner because of how the BWT vote went, but no one was coming up with any plans (even though Kate said she wanted one) so I steppde in and took the lead. If that results in my death, so be it, but you will see in retrospect that I was o the side of good the whole time.

linki MP: I'm not a good liar, I'm a good truth teller

#1087

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.
Why not Vompatti?

When Vomp threw a vote on you the other day (the day of my lynch), you seemed slightly annoyed by it. Like it screwed around with your plan. Which would probably make you a minion and you lost your chance to kill someone.

I had been thinking that you were Bob, and it was your plan to have Vomp place a vote on you, so you couldnt be accused of being a killer, which would make Vomp your minion. But you have seemed suspicious of Vomp several times, so I'm going with the first theory now.

#1088

BTW, it just occurred to me that the theory about the recruits not knowing they are recruits makes no sense. If that were the case, how could they have BTSC, and more importantly, there would be literally no way of ferreting out the bad guys other than random chance. I don't think a game designer would set it up that way (albeit, I haven't played one of INH's games before, so maybe thta is something he would do)

#1089

Matahari wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: If by some weird chance there is a lynch tomorrow and the game hasn't ended, it definitely seems we need to lynch llama or Russ.
Why not Vompatti?
When Vomp threw a vote on you the other day (the day of my lynch), you seemed slightly annoyed by it. Like it screwed around with your plan. Which would probably make you a minion and you lost your chance to kill someone.

I had been thinking that you were Bob, and it was your plan to have Vomp place a vote on you, so you couldnt be accused of being a killer, which would make Vomp your minion. But you have seemed suspicious of Vomp several times, so I'm going with the first theory now.

I was slightly annoyed and it did screw with my plan, my plan being to not get lynched and to not waste coverage votes on people I KNOW are civvie (i.e. myself)

#1090

thellama73 wrote:BTW, it just occurred to me that the theory about the recruits not knowing they are recruits makes no sense. If that were the case, how could they have BTSC, and more importantly, there would be literally no way of ferreting out the bad guys other than random chance. I don't think a game designer would set it up that way (albeit, I haven't played one of INH's games before, so maybe thta is something he would do)

As snow dog pointed out and as inh refuses to answer no where does it say they have btsc. Either way you are bob. Theres no denying now. You know I know it too

#1091

Completely off-topic, but since when did llama become a drug dealer and Kate a loan shark?!?

#1092

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Anyway, llama, are you still claiming your civvieness and you're convinced Kate is baddie? Does that mean S~V~S is as well in your eyes or what?
I am emphatically claiming my civvieness. The only thing I can figure out now is that Kate and SVS have been partnered up and playing us all for fools from the beginning. First Kate pushes HAARD for civvie lynch. Then, when she comes under fire, SVS vouches for her (plus the matter of her habitually early votes, which smells odd to me) now both of them are emphatically insisting that I am bad, when I know good and well I am not. Either Kate has gotten two pieces of very bad info in a row, or she has been lying the whole time.

I know I've been painted into a bad corner because of how the BWT vote went, but no one was coming up with any plans (even though Kate said she wanted one) so I steppde in and took the lead. If that results in my death, so be it, but you will see in retrospect that I was o the side of good the whole time.

linki MP: I'm not a good liar, I'm a good truth teller

This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.

#1093

while you were studying kid!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Completely off-topic, but since when did llama become a drug dealer and Kate a loan shark?!?

#1094

Kate, I hate saying this, but I am playing the guessing game now, since its almost game over. I still think MP has a good chance of being bad, and still kind of suspect you. Not totally, but a little. But, other than Llama and MP, I'm kind of susp of Roxy too. No clue about Vomps and Russti because I've never played with them

#1095

um, the point of that was to see if anyone else wanted to make guesses-

#1096

Kate wrote:This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.

I understand that you don't believe me, but I really wish you wouldn't be so hostile about it. I am not BOB as you will doubtless soon find out, and I would think given your track record a little humility would be in order.

#1097

thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.
I understand that you don't believe me, but I really wish you wouldn't be so hostile about it. I am not BOB as you will doubtless soon find out, and I would think given your track record a little humility would be in order.

you two on a team together or what?

#1098

thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.
I understand that you don't believe me, but I really wish you wouldn't be so hostile about it. I am not BOB as you will doubtless soon find out, and I would think given your track record a little humility would be in order.

Sorry. Really.

#1099

Matahari wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.
I understand that you don't believe me, but I really wish you wouldn't be so hostile about it. I am not BOB as you will doubtless soon find out, and I would think given your track record a little humility would be in order.

you two on a team together or what?

Oh good god. No.

#1100

Kate wrote:
Matahari wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Kate wrote:This is the biggest post of bull crap I have ever read.
I understand that you don't believe me, but I really wish you wouldn't be so hostile about it. I am not BOB as you will doubtless soon find out, and I would think given your track record a little humility would be in order.

you two on a team together or what?
Oh good god. No.

Well, we might be.

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