[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Long Con]

Ok, that's better. At first it was like an awesome punchline.

[Tangrowth]

Now there shouldn't be any reason to access the old threads.

You're welcome.

[Elohcin]

I have not ready anything since Day 0 but will try to catch up today. Day 1's are always pretty nuts. Some people vote for themselves. Some people vote randomly. Others vote for those who haven't checked in yet. For Day 1 I will vote along with the person who makes me laugh most?

[Long Con]

For cross-reference:

Option 1: A player of your choice may ask the host whether a certain player is a certain role. That player will be told yes or no.
Option 2: All female players gain temporary BTSC for one cycle. Info-dumping and role outing is not permitted.
Option 3: Every player picks a city. Players will live in that city during the subsequent cycle.
Option 4: A player of your choice is consumed by insanity, the effects of which are unknown.
Option 5: Five players of your choice receive a rock. These rocks can be thrown at another player to block them.
Option 6: A player of your choice can use their night power twice during the subsequent Night.
Option 7: A player of your choice can track another player. During the subsequent Day, the player tracked may send a message to the tracker.
Option 8: A fake account can post and cast a vote the subsequent Day.

"Who Is It?"
2
Diiny (4), Rbzmncaeaei (42)
4%

"Girls Just Want to Be with the Girls"
5
TheFloyd73 (10), HamburgerBoy (23), espers (29), Golden (34), motel room (37)
11%

"Cities"
8
Strawhenge (5), espers (12), sanmateo (13), Metalmarsh89 (15), bcornett24 (20), seaside (30), Choutas (32), motel room (38)
17%

"The Overload"
9
Diiny (3), Metalmarsh89 (7), TheFloyd73 (8), sanmateo (14), seaside (18), HamburgerBoy (21), MacDougall (26), bcornett24 (27), JaggedJimmyJay (40)
19%

"Moon Rocks"
7
seaside (17), HamburgerBoy (22), Golden (36), motel room (39), Rbzmncaeaei (41), Choutas (44), JaggedJimmyJay (45)
15%

"Stay Up Late"
6
Diiny (2), Strawhenge (16), Metalmarsh89 (19), espers (28), Golden (35), Choutas (43)
13%

"Radio Head"
4
Strawhenge (6), TheFloyd73 (9), MacDougall (25), JaggedJimmyJay (46)
9%

"Mr. Jones"
3
MacDougall (24), bcornett24 (31), Rbzmncaeaei (47)

[Tangrowth]

Also, no one asked, but I want to make it clear that discussing the Day 0 poll options and such is OK, as it does not violate infodumping.

However, please note the infodumping and role claiming rules, and if you have questions let me and Sloonei know.

[bcornett24]

Dii - get used to it

Your excuse for not actually really playing mafia is 'get used to it?' If you keep playing the way you're playing you're getting a vote. I want to see something solid, meaningful and accountable by day 1 standards from you. I'm not getting used to scumminess, and, if I understand you correctly, that you're asking me to is making me very uncomfortable

Well tend to have a lot more OT banter over here on Day 1. As well as some people who always randomize on Day 1. I think your views on Roxy being bad are coming more from this culture being different, and wold urge you to consider that in your vote. Because I don't see anything I wouldn't expect coming from Roxy yet.

\Acrosstheaether on rym always responds in a similar manner to roxy's response, with a whatever/i dont care tone, it kinda drives me bonkers as even in late game, it is not easy, if possible at all, to read.

[Long Con]

JaggedJimmyJay, I think you forgot to bold your vote for me in the thread.

[Ricochet]

I have not ready anything since Day 0 but will try to catch up today. Day 1's are always pretty nuts. Some people vote for themselves. Some people vote randomly. Others vote for those who haven't checked in yet. For Day 1 I will vote along with the person who makes me laugh most?

Those who vote for themselves better watch out, they might get what they're after.

[Long Con]

Long Con, could you please point to posts by bea that do not align with her claim that "her whole argument is she doesn't know yet who is or isn't civ"? You might not buy into her refutation of your accusation, but I need more than a blank dismissal.

...unless this was the way you indicated a vote. I thought you just coloured that to get my attention, but maybe it was intended also as a vote indicator. Too subtle.

[Matt]

"Who Is It?"
2
Diiny (4), Rbzmncaeaei (42)
4%

"Girls Just Want to Be with the Girls"
5
TheFloyd73 (10), HamburgerBoy (23), espers (29), Golden (34), motel room (37)
11%

"Cities"
8
Strawhenge (5), espers (12), sanmateo (13), Metalmarsh89 (15), bcornett24 (20), seaside (30), Choutas (32), motel room (38)
17%

"The Overload"
9
Diiny (3), Metalmarsh89 (7), TheFloyd73 (8), sanmateo (14), seaside (18), HamburgerBoy (21), MacDougall (26), bcornett24 (27), JaggedJimmyJay (40)
19%

"Moon Rocks"
7
seaside (17), HamburgerBoy (22), Golden (36), motel room (39), Rbzmncaeaei (41), Choutas (44), JaggedJimmyJay (45)
15%

"Stay Up Late"
6
Diiny (2), Strawhenge (16), Metalmarsh89 (19), espers (28), Golden (35), Choutas (43)
13%

"Radio Head"
4
Strawhenge (6), TheFloyd73 (9), MacDougall (25), JaggedJimmyJay (46)
9%

"Mr. Jones"
3
MacDougall (24), bcornett24 (31), Rbzmncaeaei (47)

Here we go...

Combined from both forums...

Option 1 - 10 votes
Option 2 - 12 votes
Option 3 - 14 votes
Option 4 - 13 votes
Option 5 - 17 votes
Option 6 - 9 votes
Option 7 - 13 votes
Option 8 - 4 votes



Linki linki linki

Can someone tell me what "meta" stands for? Thanks!

[Ricochet]

Matt, we call "meta" any reference to something from a player's past games - usually to analyse how his actions in the current game in relation to his previous ones.

[sig]

oops Long con you're (see I did it right this time) right. Thanks for pointing that out.

bcornett24 I'm unfamiliar with Diijns usually posting style, but your point does have merit. As I said he appears to be very aggressive if he is being more aggressive then he normally is then I would say you're right. If he is acting the same as he always does then it means nothing. I would need the opinions of more people who've played with him to make a concrete read.

[bcornett24]

Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

[sig]

@Matt meta is using previous games to judge a player. So if someone has a specific scum tell you would be meta reading them for that tell in other games to see if they are scum.

[bcornett24]

oops Long con you're (see I did it right this time) right. Thanks for pointing that out.

bcornett24 I'm unfamiliar with Diijns usually posting style, but your point does have merit. As I said he appears to be very aggressive if he is being more aggressive then he normally is then I would say you're right. If he is acting the same as he always does then it means nothing. I would need the opinions of more people who've played with him to make a concrete read.

This is only my 5th game ever of mafia.I have played at least 2 with Diiny if I recall. He is normally aggressive on day one from what I've seen, too me he seems a bit more so than normal, but not suspiciously so, that question though is perhaps better answered by a player who is used to Diiny as he has played a long time.

[bcornett24]

RDW why do you have so many votes so far?

[sig]

@Metalmarsh and Choutas could you explain your lynch vote please?

linki: Okay Bcor thanks.

[Choutas]

@Metalmarsh and Choutas could you explain your lynch vote please?

linki: Okay Bcor thanks.

RVP. The good part is that he showed up the bad part is that he's not as active as he should be. Not as active as I remember him. Even his behaviour is different, looks more than a lurker than rdw.
Anyway I was about to move on and stir some discussion.
Macdougall what's up. Why you're so inactive brah?

[Choutas]

Haha I just realised rdw had a moment of OMGUS and voted me back.
I'm logging off for the night. See y'all in around 10 hours.

[Marmot]

Posting because the host tells me I will be a non-participant if I don't.

I will read up throughout today and try to say something intelligent.

Admission of BTSC?

[Marmot]

In the interest of fairness, I will post the screenshot of The Syndicate Day 0 poll shortly. I was intending on it being a lesson of "save information if you wanted it" only for those initial threads, but since Metalmarsh accessed the RYM poll through backdoor way, and I do not want this happening going forward, I will at least post the other poll for all of your reference.

Oops...

[Marmot]

@Metalmarsh and Choutas could you explain your lynch vote please?

linki: Okay Bcor thanks.

I did though sig. You don't seem to like to read my posts do you.

[Marmot]

I'll start things off with a virtual vote for rundontwalk because that guy's silence is scary.

Rbzmncaeaei I find you suspicious that you find it suspicious that I find you suspicious for thinking I'm suspicious.

Your counter argument is very good, though I don't believe there is any connection. I might have come off as being overly defense, but in my experience it is better to be proactive in defending oneself then being accused of ignoring what others have said about you. As I said Matt I didn't mean to keep the very there it just kinda happened.

When I mentioned bcornett24 I was unaware that we were allowed to change votes this game, this makes his early vote less strange.

linki: Interesting our day 0 poll was about different abilities such as option one does so and so.

It's in the rules (which I agree are very long and mundane), but someone did pointed this out already.

You also used the word interesting to describe your first suspect.

I'm going to bed, and my vote stays on rdw at least until he posts.

[sig]

@Metalmarsh and Choutas could you explain your lynch vote please?

linki: Okay Bcor thanks.

I did though sig. You don't seem to like to read my posts do you.

Okay thank you and no I love to read your post

Why are you targeting him for being silent when we've had a few players who haven't posted? IF this was an attempt to get him to talk it didn't work,would you consider switching your vote or do you plan to keep it on him if he continues to not post? What is your view that he has three votes?

[rundontwalk]

@Metalmarsh and Choutas could you explain your lynch vote please?

linki: Okay Bcor thanks.

RVP. The good part is that he showed up the bad part is that he's not as active as he should be. Not as active as I remember him. Even his behaviour is different, looks more than a lurker than rdw.
Anyway I was about to move on and stir some discussion.
Macdougall what's up. Why you're so inactive brah?

because it feels weird being on a new website. the layout and everything throws me off. which is why i voted for you. for old time's sake.

[Tangrowth]

Effective immediately, AceofSpaces is replacing TinyBubbles.

[sig]

Welcome Ace what are your thoughts on the game so far?

d

[sig]

do we think Tiny's replacement has anything to do with her role/alignment or other reasons?

I doubt it has something to do in game and as I recall she wanted to be mafia, but it is something that should be considered.

[birdwithteeth11]

Posting because the host tells me I will be a non-participant if I don't.

I will read up throughout today and try to say something intelligent.

Why are you going to put so much thought in what you post? Trying to hide something? Just post your gut reads whether they are intelligent or not.

Or he's been busy and not able to participate?

It really feels like you're jumping down Russ' throat for not being active Day 1.

[Diiny]

Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

True, but I don't like this. Don't draw attention away from your own lack of activity; be active! I want to see the brian I know and, if you'll q-quite forgive me, love. That said I'm only skimming so you may have shown that but this jumped out at me

[Diiny]

oops Long con you're (see I did it right this time) right. Thanks for pointing that out.

bcornett24 I'm unfamiliar with Diijns usually posting style, but your point does have merit. As I said he appears to be very aggressive if he is being more aggressive then he normally is then I would say you're right. If he is acting the same as he always does then it means nothing. I would need the opinions of more people who've played with him to make a concrete read.

If you read my post history again you'll see that my problem with bribri wasn't inactivity (indeed there were many players who were inactive) but it was that he was fundamentally off meta. It's ALL THERE, DUDE, IT'S ALL THERE

I'm playing like I have done for the last few games. My first game was timid as fuck.

[motel room]

back at work, weekend over so read on game on

[birdwithteeth11]

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

This might be small, but I've seen people get lynched for wordplay on Day 1 enough in the past.

Same as it ever was.

I agree, in that Mafia have more need to "craft" their posts than Civvies. Sig's accidental reveal that he was going back over his post before posting it to make sure it's just right is a little suspicious to me.

I always read through my posts as I'm sure you've seen my spelling and grammar skills aren't always the best when typing, especially when I type quickly. It seems as if your trying to find more reasons to find me suspicious, I've played as mafia before and while I'm not great I wouldn't have done something quite so stupid.

This is also all in regards to my wording of Seems/Kinda/Very which I've already said was a mistake on my part. This seems to me to be a desperate attempt to get me lynched.

Also this was all started by Bernie Sanders and honestly what does he know about spelling he is a socialists? (I only kid no offense intended)

Point taken. But I agree with LC that the baddies tend to have to be more careful about the wording of their posts. My suspicion for you stands until I see more from you.

[Diiny]

In RYM I like to vote for a lot of different people but I don't know how to do that here. Can we change votes?

AFAIK you can just move the dot around and vote as many times as you want in the top poll thing.

Now show me the lion I know you are. You're being strangely timid!

[thellama73]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

[bea]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

I'm going with appropriate. Even after sleeping off the beer, I stand by my belief that it was a lame vote.

[birdwithteeth11]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Unless she was trying to guilt Long Con or get a reaction out of him, it read as genuine to me.

[kneel4justice]

Looking back on Zebra's case against JJJ after he has had the chance to defend/explain himself, I'm inclined to think that there is not much to it.
That being said, I did get a few pings from JJJ. A few comments made me wonder if he was trying to buddy up to players (1. He complimented Zebra's game-play and even mentioned hopes that they could work together, 2. He seemed to really want to establish a connection with Diiny), but I am not sure if that is just him being genuine and enthusiastic. He is very involved and appears to be scum-hunting, so I have mixed thoughts on him.

The interaction between Diiny and Roxy, I don't know what to make of Diiny but Roxy is reminding me of the last game that I played with her (in which she was civvie). She kept making comments on how things were not enough to get her vote. So, I am not suspicious of her statements regarding possibly randomly voting, especially since that seemed to be a technique to get reactions.

Bea does not strike me as suspicious with her saying positive things about people because I think that matches her game style, but if people who know her better than I have a different perspective, then I would love to hear. I was kind of in the same boat as her just now, without having many suspicions, so I don't blame her. I also think sometimes it is easier to use a sort of process of elimination style in the beginning to find out who you're really suspicious of (as long as you revisit the players and don't trust in them too much).
That being said, I can't necessarily say that I blame LC for suspecting her.

I would agree with FZ and MM that Epi's silence is not a good thing, but I want to give it time and not make the mistake of jumping on it too early. I'll be watching him.

reywaS' post saying 'hello' and then not adding anything to the discussion stuck me as odd, especially because I felt the moment he had came in was when the game was really starting, because Zebra brought forward the case against JJJ. So, why didn't reywaS comment on that?

FZ (I'm so happy to see you've arrived <3), I just want to clarify - Ricochet's vote was not really at the end of Day 0, more mid-day zero, but no one knew when the day was going to end, it would end when all players had checked in. So, there was still time to adjust the poll's ties. Personally, I was of the mindset that a mafia member wouldn't go in and vote for an option that was already safe from ties - since ultimately the goal was to avoid ties. It seemed like it would draw unnecessary attention to him.

Also, Elo's post struck me as odd, but I am thinking it is once again a cultural difference. Or maybe she was joking? IDK. If someone who knows her better could give me some thoughts on it, that would be appreciated.



Ricochet, I hope that color is better for you. I just wanted to make names stand out so people could see if I was speaking of them, since the bold feature doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

[kneel4justice]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

I think it was appropriate. I personally never understood the idea that votes shouldn't be taken seriously just because they can be changed, because in the end they're still votes and there is no guarantee that the person is going to change it.

[sig]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

I think it really depends on the player, I am more likely to take any lynch vote seriously, since it is a vote against you and one vote can make all the difference. So I don't see Bea's reaction as being over the top.

[motel room]

Is banter early voting common habit on RYM? I'm oscillating between reading bcornett24's vote as such and wanting to hear more from him on why he desired to make such an early vote for no serious reasons.

this vote seems to be generating some content so it seems to have served its purpose

is that your vote on me? I didnt get a chance to comment so i guess that wasnt the purpose ok

[motel room]

Question for the group:
Was Bea's reaction to one early, changeable vote an overreaction or an appropriate reaction?
Discuss.

Current track: Brian Eno - Sparrowfall (3) (1:24)

Long Con's reasoning was worded pretty confidently for this early in the game. Seems like a legit response. Out of the two i had more of a gut feel against long con, his confidence and his defence of.

[Elohcin]

Also, Elo's post struck me as odd, but I am thinking it is once again a cultural difference. Or maybe she was joking? IDK. If someone who knows her better could give me some thoughts on it, that would be appreciated.

I wasn't joking. I want you to be joking....make me laugh . Cultural difference? Where are you from?

[Elohcin]

Also, I don't think we gather much from a replacement for day 1.

[kneel4justice]

Also, Elo's post struck me as odd, but I am thinking it is once again a cultural difference. Or maybe she was joking? IDK. If someone who knows her better could give me some thoughts on it, that would be appreciated.

I wasn't joking. I want you to be joking....make me laugh . Cultural difference? Where are you from?

This was actually a funny response, lmao.
I'm from K-Site, not many of our players have transitioned over here unfortunately. But some TS players have been kind enough to visit our site. We take things more seriously, because our day phases are much longer than 48 hours. Here a lot of players seem to just randomly vote on Day 1, or even in later phases. So I am kind of assuming that it is your style to do something of that nature on Day 1? Rather than actually try to scum-hunt?

[bcornett24]

Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

True, but I don't like this. Don't draw attention away from your own lack of activity; be active! I want to see the brian I know and, if you'll q-quite forgive me, love. That said I'm only skimming so you may have shown that but this jumped out at me

Of the four games, i've played this being the 5th, I have not had the same meta in any game (although, this is open to interpretation), which makes that hardly true.

[Diiny]

Diiny earlier said that he expected so much more out of me, after reading for everything thus far, I would like to point out that many of the players in this game have said little to nothing. Most of the content has been generated by a rather small group of participants.

True, but I don't like this. Don't draw attention away from your own lack of activity; be active! I want to see the brian I know and, if you'll q-quite forgive me, love. That said I'm only skimming so you may have shown that but this jumped out at me

Of the four games, i've played this being the 5th, I have not had the same meta in any game (although, this is open to interpretation), which makes that hardly true.

You haven't played identically, and yes you've only played 5 games, but I'm sure others will agree that you can have a certain undeniable townie aura at times, one that you've never managed to replicate as scum and that you're not showing as of yet.

[Elohcin]

Also, Elo's post struck me as odd, but I am thinking it is once again a cultural difference. Or maybe she was joking? IDK. If someone who knows her better could give me some thoughts on it, that would be appreciated.

I wasn't joking. I want you to be joking....make me laugh . Cultural difference? Where are you from?

This was actually a funny response, lmao.
I'm from K-Site, not many of our players have transitioned over here unfortunately. But some TS players have been kind enough to visit our site. We take things more seriously, because our day phases are much longer than 48 hours. Here a lot of players seem to just randomly vote on Day 1, or even in later phases. So I am kind of assuming that it is your style to do something of that nature on Day 1? Rather than actually try to scum-hunt?

Yes, you are correct. I think we feel there isn't much to go on for a Day 1 vote. And once we have the result from the Day 1 lynch, we can hunt for baddies with at least some knowledge.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis votes for sig I suppose because he voted for him as well as mutual appreciation of Kansas. But then we have another inexplicable vote for 3J that is neither explained nor noted other than the vote itself. And now, enter 3J.

I voted sig and sig's choice for his win response. I thought that much was obvious.

I read the rest of your post. I don't agree with you, but I like where your head is.

...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

I like Matt F's point here.

Oh sure, Epi's vote for me probably influenced my willingness to vote for him on some level. Still, the reason I provided was the truest inspiration. Every time I've played a game with him so far, he's either died immediately, or died right after he and I started duking it out before we could resolve the fight.

This is, as far as I can recall, true.

Rox and others - tend to Day 1 Day 1. We recognise that ALL arguments are based on very little. The weakest of pings. And lacking anything concrete to go on, we reserve the right to random vote.

I don't like this. "All arguments [Day 1] are based on very little." All? No, no they aren't. I think I (and others) have demonstrated time after time that Days 1 are a civilian's greatest tool for setting up a winning game. To shrug it off like this in praise of randomness (and who is to prove if someone actually voted randomly) doesn't look good.

Don't validate random voters. Random votes suck, and if you're a civilian, you shouldn't make them.

I should say that's more than an accusation of you being too quiet per se, it's an accusation of you being fundementally off-meta.

Sorsha also raised my eyebrow, chiming in to answer an easy question about polls and then leaving without sharing any views or making any real attempt to play mafia.

I'm also extremely unhappy with Roxy's off topic to mafia ratio. I won't be happy if you randomise at all. Day 1 is about MAKING concrete evidence through stirring shit and provoking reactions, not just waiting for it to happen and throwing your vote onto random people.

Voting random people with no concrete evidence is just as good to get the ball rolling. Random voting phase is a legitimate strategy and not something we made up on rym. If only more people voted randomly and sparked discussion on day...if only.

It is a strategy, but it's a lazy one, and one that is prone to Mafia abuse. How many of you actually RANDOMLY vote? I would say it isn't random voting, but lazy voting. Instead, engage people in conversation. Judge their tone. Set them up if you must. "Random" voting just telegraphs your moves to the Mafia. If I were bad on your site, I'd eat you alive. Often.

I miss Flyin' High. Like lots.

I miss her too. She single-handedly won my first hosted game.

On to someone else, quiet Epi is never a good thing...

Is loud Epi always a good thing? Be careful what you wish for.

And I think...

...nope, I'm going to harp on this one comment.

"Quiet Epi is never a good thing."

Well now let's see.

Raise your hand if loud Epi ever railroaded you when you were a civilian and got your ass lynched.

Raise your hand if you wished loud Epi would have shutted up the fuck.

I thought so.

I don't see why me being quiet is "never a good thing."

[sig]

*begins to raise hand looks around lowers hand*

I agree with Epi's random voting point, in fact this could be just as dangerous to the civilians as a no lynch for day 1.