MacDougall wrote:Here you made a point of reminding the thread that someone has you as a def town read. You are speaking as though it's normal that if someone has a pro town read on a player that the player returns the favour. That's not normal and it doesn't need to be said. It's weird that you would even bother qualifying the post with the aforementioned, but not a huge tell. It did catch my eye but until now I haven't had a chance to look at you in detail.
I can see your point of view, but that's not what I was saying. Nobody should ever simply "return the favor" just because someone thinks you're town. I was simply stating that I had no current read on RBZ, despite him declaring me def town.
MacDougall wrote:Until you started to receive some attention you appeared to be struggling to produce content and tried to force it out by discussing game mechanics. Strange, especially for someone who according to yourself is known for posting lots and lots in a game. Your entire page 2 ISO are posts of this nature. I would have thought, and this might be website differences, that a volume posting townie would be accusing all and sundry at that point rather than dwelling on game mechanics.
I believe Day/Dusk 0 are important. Obviously our Host believes it, too, as he didn't even want us to have the polls available to us for reference. You're welcome that I was a part of the group that was discussing it, so we were able to get those, btw. I say this because I believe I started asking RYMers about the poll, then someone came in with a screenshot (I believe MM?) of RYM, and afterwards, MP allowed us to have the TS poll as well. Not that it matters, as ever since, some players have basically said "Fuck Day 0" including Long Con, who was scum, and everyone else has pretty much ignored it.
MacDougall wrote:You had a couple of people post mild suspicions of you and I sensed relief that you had an excuse to post. For someone who I can already see is a good player, struggling to scum hunt would be unusual for you as town, but would be an explanation for struggling to post if you were scum.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence (
I really do, thanks for saying that man that's awesome haha), I don't know if any one here would ever address me as a "good player". But I do enjoy scum hunting immensely, and I try to have a lot of fun with the game.
MacDougall wrote:I don't like your reason for voting sorsha, but I particularly don't like that sorsha seems to be your big go to and your other scum hunt efforts are very low effort and not elaborated on in great detail despite you saying you would. Certainly sorsha accusing you of being the only player stuck on day 0 is disingenuous but it could just as easily be her using hyperbole as an excited townie thinking she's nabbed a scum. Her read is much the same as what I've discovered above in your ISO.
My reasoning for voting Sorsha is not only her connections to Long Con, but her interactions with me, as well. At one point, she claims that "everyone else" is on Day 2 while I'm stuck in Day 0, when that was not at all true. And then later, she says I'm twisting her words, when all I did was simply quote her post and reply to it. When I asked how I twisted her words...no response.
MacDougall wrote:Actually on further thought when she said you were "stuck on day 0" did she not mean that your attention was on day 0? How does mentioning reywaS posting "hello" dispute the fact that your posts were all about day 0 up until that point? Hmmm... And this is your reason for starting your big tunnel job?
Let me break it down for you. Sorsha said "EVERYONE ELSE IS ON DAY 2". I mentioned Rey and Floyd, I think, as just two examples that were not at all on Day 2. Hell, for the last 5 pages, I've read multiple people say that they aren't even caught up for like 15 pages.
I have been tunneling Sorsha, absolutely, and I am aware of this. I've tried not to do that this game, as I've been known for it in the past, but I can't shrug off the huge scum read I have of her. Especially when she starts saying shit like "You all think I'm dumb [sadface]" or "I hope I get lynched so I can see your stupid face see how civvie I was". Nah brah, not havin' it. That shit is not civ-like to say. And if she's just like BWT, where she's civvie and saying scum things, then I don't see how that's my fault.
But no, that was not my reason for starting my "tunnel job". My first ping on Sorsha was when she corrected me on my error re: Roxy and RBZ. At one point, she says "I just wanted to correct this so we don't have hundreds of posts on an error." I already explained this, but I've barely played with Sorsha, and when I did, it was over two years ago. At the time she said that, I believe I was the only player in the thread that was looking at Roxy for her exchange with RBZ, and for Sorsha to call out my game style when we barely ever played made me think she had btsc with someone who has had experience playing with me. She later says she meant she didn't want everyone posting hundreds of posts on the topic, but I can't shake the feeling she specifically meant me, because of my past gameplay, and also because, again, I was the only player looking at Roxy for that exchange.
MacDougall wrote:I think you've either misunderstood her or intentionally twisted her words. Which is it?
There was no twisting of words. She said "EVERYONE ELSE IS ON DAY 2", I quoted her saying "EVERYONE ELSE IS ON DAY 2", and replied "NO NOT EVERYONE ELSE IS ON DAY 2". Tell me where I twisted.
If I've misunderstood, which is completely possible, I would blame her for that, not myself.
MacDougall wrote:Most of your other major contributions occur when someone levels suspicion on you. You come out of the aethyr to respond, much like you have just now.
Discussing game mechanics early game to get post count up.
Tunneling a player who showed suspicion of you but made a faux pas in the process and despite a promise of more scum hunting...
You come out of the clouds to respond when someone mentions you in a negative light.
Pretty big scum tells.
Come out of the aethyr? Dude, I'm replying in the thread. Despite your colorful choice of words, that's all I'm doing.
You are also making a bunch of assumptions that are straight wrong.
My wanting to discuss Day/Dusk 0 is NOT to get my post count up. It's to figure out connections, which again, several people (including scum Long Con) didn't want to do.
As for "tunneling a player who showed suspicion of you", yeah, I suppose you don't realize yet that Sorsha started suspecting me AFTER I showed suspicion of her? If you can't be bothered to read the thread, I'll find the posts where we start mentioning each other as suspects, and we'll check the time stamps.
I don't know about "coming out of the clouds" (again dude, colorful words, but all you're saying is that I dare reply to the thread), but yes, when people are suspicious of me, I want to know why, and I want the chance to respond. If you think that's scummy behavior, then WOW.
MacDougall wrote:I don't think so. If Long Con's teammates were resigned to his lynching that would be a decent vote to make. I mean, if you're town you just justified him doing so!
I will say that if sorsha is lynched and flips scum it would be extremely unlike you're bussing her.
If she is lynched and flips town... well it won't condemn you. But it will make you look like a dick at least, scum at worst.
How will I look like a dick? She is my prime suspect, and I've laid out my reasons why. But yes, please, let's lynch her. If she flips civvie and I look bad, so be it. But yeah, let's lynch her and have a better idea of where things stand afterwards. Please.
Why would Russ purposely tie Long Con like that? bcornett would have been lynched if it wasn't for Russ tying up the poll (which at the time we did not know it was a tie because of LC's power). I suppose Russ could be a teamie of LC's, but I EXTREMELY doubt it.
MacDougall wrote:Can you please elaborate on some of the other scum pings you've had. I'd like to see you put some effort into other players before the end of this day. After analysing you further you've got me mighty worried.
Currently Sorsha and Roxy are my top scum reads. Roxy, as well as Sorsha, completely NO U'd me after I showed suspicion on them, and they both have connections to Long Con, and they both called me out for daring to attempt a discussion on Day 0 events (they didn't want to, kind of like that scum player, oh what was his name? Oh yeah Long Con)
As for other players, I'll delve more into detail later. I want Sorsha lynched today.