[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[a2thezebra]

rdw is probably going to get modkilled tbqfh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

THERE ARE TOO MANY FUCKING PLAYERSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Diiny]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

[Ricochet]

Right, well it's 3am over here and ironically I just finished re-reading 30 players yet again, so just let me know if you're gonna mislynch me, so I drop everything k thx

If you're civilian then you need to defend yourself better than the age-old "I wouldn't do that because it's against my meta and it would be dumb" tactic.

No, if the main charge to lynch me is that I've super defended a confirmed mafia, on the eve of his highly likely lynch no less, then that's exactly what needs to be said, because it simply goes against a year-long experience. It'd be pure recklessness and I wouldn't be caught dead doing it.

I've been lynched before, for looking real bad in my votes (i.e. lynching civs in a row) or for seemingly going soft / defending a flipped mafia. Never flipped mafia. I never said I don't look foolish for green-skittling LC, but it doesn't mean anything other that how utterly wrong I was to judge his "bea job".

Your misdirection of what the actual ping on you is reminds me of someone...but anyway, the main charge I have on you is not that you defended him, but the way you distanced yourself from him at the same time, as Diiny said. The fact that you ignored that fact and (un?)intentionally misinterpreted the charge to make your defense look better is sealing the deal.

As Diiny said? I was replying to you said. You posted my entire skittle read of him. You should have been yourself clearer if only the first part of that, the so-called "distancing", was your issue with it.

Otherwise, by quoting the entire read, I took it that you're accusing me of outright defending him, hence my defense on that.

No, I was very eloquent in defending myself. To you, thinking at least you quoted my read to highlight the defending, by saying I'd never ever do that in my right mind, at such timing, with such heat on LC.

To Diiny, who highlighted only the first part, by saying that I wasn't the only one putting second doubt disclaimers in their posts in which they saw nothing wrong with LC's tactics - hence, not the only being proven completely wrong and thus ending up regretting my read.

[Ricochet]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

[a2thezebra]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

You were the only one that got confused what the charge on you was. Diiny and I seem to be in perfect harmony regarding what's suspicious about you. If you were town the content of my quote of you that came off as suspicious should have been obvious without me having to point it out specifically, but because you are scum all you can see right now are the flashing letters DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND in front of your eyes.

[Diiny]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

I think the accusations being fired at you are very much clear and you're deliberately misinterpreting them to look better, and I think my vote on you looks pretty good right now given your mindless antagonism and defensiveness in response to pressure re what I probably would've left as 'potential wifom and a couple of scum points in your file' otherwise

[a2thezebra]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

I think the accusations being fired at you are very much clear and you're deliberately misinterpreting them to look better, and I think my vote on you looks pretty good right now given your mindless antagonism and defensiveness in response to pressure re what I probably would've left as 'potential wifom and a couple of scum points in your file' otherwise

Exactly. My vote was originally a pressure vote until I saw those defenses and now it is a lynch vote for sure.

[Ricochet]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

You were the only one that got confused what the charge on you was. Diiny and I seem to be in perfect harmony regarding what's suspicious about you. If you were town the content of my quote of you that came off as suspicious should have been obvious without me having to point it out specifically, but because you are scum all you can see right now are the flashing letters DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND in front of your eyes.

This below is your post in which you suspect and vote me. It contains my entire read of LC. It cannot possibly be in harmoy of Diiny snipping the same thing to just the first part.

You're basically saying if I were town, I would mindread that in a post where you put my entire read of a player and call it scum, I should tell that you only mean a fragment of it.

And it seems to be the theme of this entire game for me, but I always defend myself when suspected, let alone when voted. In fact, when I'm voted and I can see the warning signs of being mislynched, I defend the living hell out of myself. This is meta and I'm probably doomed by playing (and in fact, so far, being suspected and voted, too) by half a field from a different culture, but that's that.

JJJ's analysis on Rico and subsequent vote made me go back and take a closer look at Rico's post history. What I found was that JJJ missed the best ping connecting Rico to LC. And that is this, which was presented in his rainbow reads with LC being the only one in the green section along with myself, Mac, and FZ:

[row][cell][/cell][cell]LC[/cell][cell]I like this curious feeling[/cell][cell]I sure hope he isn't "Scum Conning" and thus make me regret saying this later on, but I'm ok with his game so far. Whilst I'm not so confident it would have achieved the fishing results he desired, his bea gambit doesn't strike me as different from any baiting attempts players might try at this early stage; in fact, it's more developed than the usual bait & hook attempts I've seen. Some players are unnerved by how genuine his case seemed for a sec, but it doesn't give me the feel that it was anything but well developed.[/cell][/row]

Ricochet

[Ricochet]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

I think the accusations being fired at you are very much clear and you're deliberately misinterpreting them to look better, and I think my vote on you looks pretty good right now given your mindless antagonism and defensiveness in response to pressure re what I probably would've left as 'potential wifom and a couple of scum points in your file' otherwise

Keep misinterpreting.

[seaside]

As for who I'm voting, not sure. I still have about three hours, I think, if I'm not mistaken. I haven't commented on seaside, but considering my suspicions of Choutas, I had him marked as a "maybe mafia", but now it looks like a few people are having some kind of inside communication with seaside where they think he's definitely civvie.

i think i fucked this quote up, not sure if it was matt f or roxy who said it. BUT what make you think it look like i am communicating with people? because some people changed from being suspicious of me to not being suspicious?
it's a strange thing to accuse me of. i'd like a bigger explanation of this.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Relationship between sig and Long Con:

Spoiler: show

First thing first what is an ISO post?

On Diiny he does seem to be being to aggressive, tone reading his posts I don't like them and would consider voting for him this phase. As well as the way he has targeted Roxy, out of the two I'm reading Diiny as scum more so then Roxy.

Jay's responses to Diiny was interesting it seems like he is trying to offer Diiny a way out of his behavior without directly doing so. This could just be because he thinks he is a strong civilian player and trying to help a fellow forum member, however if one were to flip mafia I would be inclined to think the other is as well.

I agree with Bea sentiment to not lynch Roxy based on random posting.
I dislike Long Con's lynch vote.

linki: To Long Con I'm just the "other guy" it seems. If I was the suspicious type I would say he used this wording on purpose hoping someone would pick up on it and see it as an attempt by Long Con to distance himself from me. Which would lead players to become suspicious and eventually lynch me. Good thing I'm not the suspicious type he probably just forgot my name.

sig was critical of LC's anti-bea move from the get go. Decent look.

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...I understand it is Day 1 and we have little to go on but this seems kinda very weak.

Not sure how I feel about Rbz's theory, however, if you are civ, then shouldn't this read "...but this IS very weak" as opposed to "seems" and "kinda" ?

Also It could read is very weak, but it isn't very weak it just seems kinda weak. Writing is very weak is more confrontation in my opinion as well as implying it was meant to be weak. While seems kinda weak is just that is seems weak but it might not be.

This is quibbling over something very small, why if I'm civ would I right it the first way instead of the second way?

This might be small, but I've seen people get lynched for wordplay on Day 1 enough in the past.

Same as it ever was.

I agree, in that Mafia have more need to "craft" their posts than Civvies. Sig's accidental reveal that he was going back over his post before posting it to make sure it's just right is a little suspicious to me.

I always read through my posts as I'm sure you've seen my spelling and grammar skills aren't always the best when typing, especially when I type quickly. It seems as if your trying to find more reasons to find me suspicious, I've played as mafia before and while I'm not great I wouldn't have done something quite so stupid.

This is also all in regards to my wording of Seems/Kinda/Very which I've already said was a mistake on my part. This seems to me to be a desperate attempt to get me lynched.

Also this was all started by Bernie Sanders and honestly what does he know about spelling he is a socialists? (I only kid no offense intended)

Good look. LC was capitalizing on a trivial typo kind of error by sig and throwing shade on him along with others. In light of LC's flip I think this indicates that some people were right on Day 1 that sig was an easy target -- I didn't think so then and I am inclined to think now that I was incorrect.

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Well Long Con my response about you not saying my name was meant more in a joking way, why would I draw attention to myself when in fact you didn't even remember my name? Though I still don't think this is the case.

I will admit I was being a tad over dramatic with people being desperate to get me lynched, but I don't regret phrasing it that way. Also being currently tied for first maybe not that over dramatic after all.

*snip*

Long Con also seemed to flipflop on his vote for me, early in the phase I answered his points against me enough that he said he was no longer suscpicous of me, yet when I have two lynch votes he decided to lynch me tying me for the lynch.

sig maintains a stance of suspicion against LC, this time for a different reason. I like the consistent perspective qualified by malleable thought processes -- without just seeming like tunneling.

sig griped at me for what he thought was me linking him with LC

I might be falling for a WIFOM trap here, but I think this reflects well on sig too. I hadn't meant to link the two (they were independent suspects of mine), but I believe that sig genuinely misunderstood me and was genuinely annoyed by the hypothetical link being drawn. Because he's right -- it's hard to draw that link reasonably.

Death to Long Con.

Her Day 1 vote ended up going to BWT, so that's a bit disappointing (hi Rico, stand by). On Day 2 though he got back into gear and continued the crusade quickly. I'll dock a few points, but I won't lambaste him. This was the second final vote for LC on the day he was lynched. The Flowers ability is ever in mind, but I like that it was a relatively early final vote in an only somewhat anti-LC thread climate.

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LC's vote for Bea did strike me as fake...

I have to get ready and leave for work soon, so it's time to cast a real vote. The bea vote was actually fake. I thought, since votes are changeable, I'd make a fake case and see if I could catch any opportunistic baddies trying to latch on to it and follow the vote. It didn't really bear fruit; looking over BWT's reasons for voting bea, he is coming from a completely different angle. The truth is, bea's behaviour is pretty normal for her, and I don't suspect her much at all.

My real vote today will go to sig. Despite the reasonable explanation he had for my original suspicion of him (that he was crafting his posts too much, in a baddie way), I've found a few of his reactions suspicious. His reaction that I was "distancing" from him when I forgot he was the third player involved in an earlier discussion was bizarre, as was his assertion that I (and others) are "desperate to try and get him lynched".

sig, saying we're desperate to try and get you lynched strikes me in two ways, neither of them making me feel comfortable about you. On one hand, it's overdefensive and paranoid, and on the other, it's a way to buffalo us out of voting for you... because who wants to looks "desperate" to lynch someone on Day 1?

It's not much, but it's the behaviour I found most suspicious today, and it's time for me to lock in a vote.

Sorry for using you, bea!

LC himself said quite a lot about sig, so I'm going to focus on the meaty bit here. LC turned his crosshairs on sig, who has been under a decent amount of pressure for most of the game and could have been perceived by the mafia as a viable lynch. sig also responded to this quite indignantly, asserting validly that LC was not consistent in his reception of sig's explanations of himself and yada yada yada I think it reads mostly genuine.

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Mildly positive vibes for sig.

[a2thezebra]

Oh no, FZ is in Serious Business mode. I don't know why you treat me so bad. Think of all the things we could have had.

I am not bothered with how I appear in this game, either. Not one bit. I made a statement to the other players, back in the private Syndicate thread, but it's now vanished. It's not my fault you joined the RYM camp and now you seem to be lashing at me for not seeming as consistent as you'd expect like me to be, just because you have such meta on me from previous games.

Anyway, what I said over there can summed like this: I'm immersing in the theme. Incidentally, the Host happened to also issue a contest that totally justifies my plan to have fun and be zany. TH is fun and zany music, so I plan to have fun and be zany. This will not affect my regular gameplay, only add a dimension to it. As for my regular gameplay, I repeat that you may pretend too much from me, 10 hours into Day 1. You're saying I'm talking a lot, without saying anything, but you're accusing me without bringing too much just as well. If you're clinging on the my post on b24, I literally pointed out that I actually questioned him. If my replies haven't satisfied you, it's you shutting the door, not me.

Don't like fun? Lo siento. Take it easy, take it easy.

My "too nervous for a town" alarm went off with this post.

No need to worry. Evr'ything's under control. I wasn't nervous at any point in this game, but ok, I get what you're saying. Thing is, I'm actually more town when I address what players think, say or even suss me for head on. I never leave remarks on me just fly by.

Ricochet - Nervous defense after nervous defense, but like I said before, nervousness isn't necessarily bad...I do have a gut feeling he's against us.

First, your rainbow list lacked rainbows.

Now, you can keep calling nervous in my talk, but I'll say it again, I'm anything but that. It's not the first time I'm unflinching in rebutting what I'm suspected for and time has proven that.

Also, you're in a very Mr. Eyeballer mood today.

This is another thing that bothers me. In these two posts of yours regarding nervousness, and now more recently with your posts regarding your defensiveness, you seem to think that you get to decide how you appear. To borrow from Louis CK, this is the equivalent of having food on your face and if someone says "You have food on your face" you reply with "No I don't." It is not something that is your call, and it makes you look worse when you try to act like it is. For example, Matt F and I have both been accused of having tunnel vision this game, and for both of us, we have addressed why we think that that is not the case while still acknowledging that it appears that way to others. Your absolute unflinching refusal to acknowledge how your defensiveness and nervousness could at least be interpreted as scummy makes you look all the more scummy.

[a2thezebra]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

I think the accusations being fired at you are very much clear and you're deliberately misinterpreting them to look better, and I think my vote on you looks pretty good right now given your mindless antagonism and defensiveness in response to pressure re what I probably would've left as 'potential wifom and a couple of scum points in your file' otherwise

Keep misinterpreting.

Again, you are the one who is misinterpreting. You're desperately trying to sell this narrative that we are attacking you just for defending Long Con and now we are attacking you just for the fact that you're defending yourself at all, when in reality Diiny and I and others can clearly see that we are attacking you because you set yourself up to look excused if Long Con was lynched by the way you distanced yourself from him, and because it is the way you are defending yourself here that does not line up with a townie mindset AT ALL.

[MacDougall]

There is a lot of effort going into moving the lynch off golden/sorsha and onto someone else. Watch for llama/bullzeye like votes.

[Ricochet]

Oh no, FZ is in Serious Business mode. I don't know why you treat me so bad. Think of all the things we could have had.

I am not bothered with how I appear in this game, either. Not one bit. I made a statement to the other players, back in the private Syndicate thread, but it's now vanished. It's not my fault you joined the RYM camp and now you seem to be lashing at me for not seeming as consistent as you'd expect like me to be, just because you have such meta on me from previous games.

Anyway, what I said over there can summed like this: I'm immersing in the theme. Incidentally, the Host happened to also issue a contest that totally justifies my plan to have fun and be zany. TH is fun and zany music, so I plan to have fun and be zany. This will not affect my regular gameplay, only add a dimension to it. As for my regular gameplay, I repeat that you may pretend too much from me, 10 hours into Day 1. You're saying I'm talking a lot, without saying anything, but you're accusing me without bringing too much just as well. If you're clinging on the my post on b24, I literally pointed out that I actually questioned him. If my replies haven't satisfied you, it's you shutting the door, not me.

Don't like fun? Lo siento. Take it easy, take it easy.

My "too nervous for a town" alarm went off with this post.

No need to worry. Evr'ything's under control. I wasn't nervous at any point in this game, but ok, I get what you're saying. Thing is, I'm actually more town when I address what players think, say or even suss me for head on. I never leave remarks on me just fly by.

Ricochet - Nervous defense after nervous defense, but like I said before, nervousness isn't necessarily bad...I do have a gut feeling he's against us.

First, your rainbow list lacked rainbows.

Now, you can keep calling nervous in my talk, but I'll say it again, I'm anything but that. It's not the first time I'm unflinching in rebutting what I'm suspected for and time has proven that.

Also, you're in a very Mr. Eyeballer mood today.

This is another thing that bothers me. In these two posts of yours regarding nervousness, and now more recently with your posts regarding your defensiveness, you seem to think that you get to decide how you appear. To borrow from Louis CK, this is the equivalent of having food on your face and if someone says "You have food on your face" you reply with "No I don't." It is not something that is your call, and it makes you look worse when you try to act like it is. For example, Matt F and I have both been accused of having tunnel vision this game, and for both of us, we have addressed why we think that that is not the case while still acknowledging that it appears that way to others. Your absolute unflinching refusal to acknowledge how your defensiveness and nervousness could at least be interpreted as scummy makes you look all the more scummy.

Your analogy is completely wrong. You are not pointing at me being nervous as if that it a certified fact (aka having food on my face), you are calling or judging me as nervous, according to standards that are completely yours (I don't know what the food analogy of this would be, frankly). If you call me nervous, I have every right to reject that idea and say you're wrong. It's not obstinacy, it's determination to defend myself and to make myself clear.

[a2thezebra]

There is a lot of effort going into moving the lynch off golden/sorsha and onto someone else. Watch for llama/bullzeye like votes.

Right now I'm looking more closely at those who are still insisting that Golden or Sorsha is the ideal lynch when there are legitimate scumtells and weak defenses from another candidate being broadcasted live in high definition.

linki @Rico: Are you really going to try and sell the idea that I'm the only one that thinks of you as nervous?

[a2thezebra]

People have been calling you out as nervous and too quick to defend yourself the entire game lmao

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Relationship between Sorsha and Long Con:

Spoiler: show

Ooooh... Looks like it's time to play favorites!

I'm voting Long Con for Syndicate because I think he'll be a good leader and MetalMarsh for RYM because he's actually one of us.

Dusk 0 vote dun dun dun

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I know it may not mean much after the fact but I had a feeling this is what you were doing. Going after a much loved player on a weak point as bait. But I disagree with you on bwt.

This post is weird, but I'm not convinced that it's bad. I don't know how Sorsha could have had "a feeling" that LC might just be bullshitting his bea suspicion. That's quite an intuitive thing, I'd be incredibly impressed if that's honest. The thing that makes me doubt it being bad is that I would find this highly suspect if LC had flipped town. If Sorsha is on his team then why does she feel the need to say this to her team mate in the thread like this? Just why? Ehhhhhh...

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Yes, because I’m not sure if LC is good or bad based off of it. It was a risky plan… what if players just started dumping votes on bea and she was civ? I saw nothing unusual about beas posts. LC, bea and I have been playing mafia together for years. Bea is loved by everyone who knows her so for LC to come out swinging for her on day one was a major ping. LC wouldn’t do that… that’s why I figured it was some plan of his.

If he was trying to set someone up for a lynch I think bea would be one of the last people chosen for that. But I dunno, I shouldn’t speak for LC. Maybe he hates her? I would like to know why he chose bea though.

I’m just kinda confused over the situation though. I’m guessing he thought players were going to jump on the case and vote bea, he’d come out and say “Just kidding” and then he’d be able to pick who to vote for from the players who fell for it? …. but that didn’t happen. I think bwt was the only one to follow his vote and he decided bwt wasn’t suspicious for it.

She explains her intuition here. I'd say her representation of bea as a player/member of this website is accurate and on that front she might be legit. It's still a big pill to swallow though. This entire ordeal confuses me, I struggle to believe her and I also struggle to understand why I shouldn't believe her.

To be fair, a lot of people thought LC's vote was just disingenuous which isn't far removed from saying it was "motivated by something other than suspicion of bea".

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RIPIYWG guys

Long Con can you explain why you chose bea and what your ideal outcome would have been yesterday?

I'm a sucker for these kinds of posts. Sorsha is trying to figure out what LC was doing, and is prompting him to talk even more about something that I imagine he had no desire to talk about in the first place. I dig it.

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This just seems really idealistic but not very realistic. I think you’d just have easily lynched a civ with that tactic. Its easy to say that bwt didn’t look suspicious after we know he was town but his behavior during the last lynch (flip flopping between sig and bea and then back again). I’m wondering why you wouldn’t have found him suspicious for following your lead on bea. I know you said you didn't think he was suspicious because he found his own reason but, if you hadn't of posted your case on bea I doubt he'd have looked at her.

Good mindset being shown here by Sorsha, I think. She's examining how the LC maneuver wasn't sensible even if LC is believed as a townie, which is a significant statement. She is shredding his entire ruse claim piece by piece, and she chose an avenue to criticize him that nobody else did.

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Two players I'm considering voting for so far:
Mac:
I don't like Mac going for seaside for the simple fact that he doesn't want him in the game. Seaside came in day one voicing suspicion of Mac so this just seems like a delayed no u/omgus. Long Con made a couple good points earlier about some things Mac said yesterday late in the lynch also. (If I wasn't on my phone I'd go back and get the quote) Mac was also on HBs rainbow list in yellow so I could see Mac trying to take him out before HB had more of a chance to look closer at him.
Straw:
Based on his posts from the night I believe he might also be trying to set seaside up for the HB kill.

Going to put my vote on Mac for the time being.

Distrustful of LC, but not enough to avoid following his lead against Mac at least in vague terms.

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I know I'm not a syndicate player but I have to say I have been wary of LC from the word go. If you guys are saying he's too good to be this obvious as scum then why would he has town, play bad enough to look scum? Is he only good as a scum player?

Also that's a bunch of wifom to me.

This is what I have on my rainbow list for LC:

Long Con- Have decided to err on the side of good LC. The emotional responses he has given to some of the suspicions others have had against him aren’t something I expect from a baddie LC.

Nooo!!! *dramatically claws at the dirt, throwing clods every which way*

I wish this change of heart hadn't happened, but it did. This was an important time in the LC lynch progression. Still, this doesn't invalidate everything that preceded it. It just makes me less excited about it.

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I wasn't convinced by JJJ's single read on Long Con. The Llama Gambit (saying you're suspicious of someone you're not to see who bandwagons it) is a fairly common Syndicate ploy. But this analysis by Matt F might have some merit. The posts you're highlighting show Sorsha acting how I'd imagine myself acting if I were on a baddie team with LC. Sorsha, you say you and LC have been playing together for years, but what made it obvious to you that LC's suspicion of bea was a ploy if you think she's the last person he'd use to pull a ploy?
LC, what are your thoughts on Sorsha at the moment?

Nothing too pingy at the moment. Sorsha's not always the easiest to read, but I haven't found her particularly suspicious yet.

This is the kind of vaguery that gets people lynched -- sometimes rightfully so. LC didn't even try in this post though, which makes me think he was trying to make Sorsha look crappy if he got lynched.

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Her change of heart about LC was ill-timed and disrupts an otherwise positive read of her. I still don't think she's the best lynch today though.

[Ricochet]

I thought I'm suspected of thinking he wasn't scum, as an act to defend him.

Try again lol

Hopefully clearer now, don't mix up your accusations between yourselves lol.

I think the accusations being fired at you are very much clear and you're deliberately misinterpreting them to look better, and I think my vote on you looks pretty good right now given your mindless antagonism and defensiveness in response to pressure re what I probably would've left as 'potential wifom and a couple of scum points in your file' otherwise

Keep misinterpreting.

Again, you are the one who is misinterpreting. You're desperately trying to sell this narrative that we are attacking you just for defending Long Con and now we are attacking you just for the fact that you're defending yourself at all, when in reality Diiny and I and others can clearly see that we are attacking you because you set yourself up to look excused if Long Con was lynched by the way you distanced yourself from him, and because it is the way you are defending yourself here that does not line up with a townie mindset AT ALL.

I'm not going to go over this again. You and Diiny made different attacks and now you're calling yourselves "Diiny and I". There is no Diiny and I in what you said. In absence of any clear indication, your post was "look. Rico green lit LC. Here's the entire read quote. Voting Ricochet". I defended accordingly.

At best, you're being obtuse.

[bcornett24]

If I were to currently cast a vote based on who I felt was the scummiest, I would have to say Golden based on the above post. This is of course subject change as I continue to read further.

Just like llama's posts have felt weird/rehearsed, this does too

Why?

[Ricochet]

People have been calling you out as nervous and too quick to defend yourself the entire game lmao

You're generalizing a particular exchange between the two of us because?

[a2thezebra]

I think there's enough material here for everyone else to decide what to make of it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Relationship between Strawhenge and Long Con:

Long Con

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1. Votes for bea based on only having town reads so far. That's pretty normal, I think, back at RYM, for someone to not have any significant scum reads on Day 1 but have some town reads. And vice versa, I guess. I dunno, this vote seems weird to me. Ominous username is ominous, as well.

Straw hasn't actually said a whole lot about LC in this game. Here he did make some valid assertions about the questionable logic behind LC's initial bea vote.

LC didn't mention Strawhenge. This is everything. His Day 2 vote went to seaside.

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Straw has seemed thoroughly town, but we should be careful not become snared by the beauty of his formatting. I am surprised to see so little happening here in this analysis. I feel a bit worse.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Relationship between TheFloyd73 and Long Con:

It doesn't exist. Honestly, thank you for that Floyd. I'm so close to being done with this now.

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When a brand new player is totally silent, I tend to view that as a slightly negative thing. In general though he's still a roll of the dice.

[Ricochet]

That's weird, I think I almost have 1000 words on what Floyd's gameplay and his interaction with LC means for the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Relationship between thellama73 and Long Con:

Remember the time llama said something about LC?

Me neither.

(unless I'm missing some other nickname he uses to refer to him)

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RIPIYWG guys

Long Con can you explain why you chose bea and what your ideal outcome would have been yesterday?

I chose bea because I saw the opportunity to make the case I did based on the things she had said. She's a good target for this kind of thing, because unlike Epig or Golden or Llama, she's less likely to take an accusation like that and run with it until it's a big polarized head-to-head between me and my accused. My ideal outcome would have been for someone from The Syndicate to take my points and agree with them and vote for bea, revealing themselves as someone willing to go along with a case because it looks good on the surface. Following this, a baddie lynch, led by me, as I humbly accept cheering Civvie accolades. Alternate ideal: bea actually is a baddie and scumslips in some way in response to the accusation.

Same null namedrop as before.

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RIPIYWG guys

Long Con can you explain why you chose bea and what your ideal outcome would have been yesterday?

I chose bea because I saw the opportunity to make the case I did based on the things she had said. She's a good target for this kind of thing, because unlike Epig or Golden or Llama, she's less likely to take an accusation like that and run with it until it's a big polarized head-to-head between me and my accused. My ideal outcome would have been for someone from The Syndicate to take my points and agree with them and vote for bea, revealing themselves as someone willing to go along with a case because it looks good on the surface. Following this, a baddie lynch, led by me, as I humbly accept cheering Civvie accolades. Alternate ideal: bea actually is a baddie and scumslips in some way in response to the accusation.

This just seems really idealistic but not very realistic. I think you’d just have easily lynched a civ with that tactic. Its easy to say that bwt didn’t look suspicious after we know he was town but his behavior during the last lynch (flip flopping between sig and bea and then back again). I’m wondering why you wouldn’t have found him suspicious for following your lead on bea. I know you said you didn't think he was suspicious because he found his own reason but, if you hadn't of posted your case on bea I doubt he'd have looked at her.

I disagree with the last part of your post. A reread of BWT's posts shows that he a) answered Llama's question by saying that bea's response to my case was appropriate, and b) had his own, completely unrelated, reason to vote for bea. BWT did not follow my lead in any way. I remember this very well, because I combed his posts looking to find him following my lead, and came up with absolutely nothing.

Only an indirect reference to llama in a post about BWT.

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Total absence of a relationship in two post histories that are more than big enough for that to be an issue. Bad vibes.

[bcornett24]

There are currently 2223 posts in this thread in ~4 days how do you people keep this straight? I have now read pages 1-18 and 29-45. I don't get half of what people are referencing I'm assuming this is from the 19-28 that I still need to go over? Based on the way everybody is talking a lot of the references are being pulled from in here.

[a2thezebra]

Six hours well spent, JJJ.

[seaside]

how long we got left?

[a2thezebra]

Two and a half-ish hours.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That was the most work I have ever put into a Mafia game in one sitting. My head is going to explode. Here's a rainbowized summary purely based on LC interactions:

Zebra
MacDougall
DrWilgy

bea
Epignosis
motel room
sig
seaside
Russtifinko

Golden
Choutas
bcornett24
Sorsha

Matt F
FZ
RadicalFuzz
Bullzeye
Black Rock
TheFloyd73

rundontwalk
Roxy
Elohcin
espers
Metalmarsh89
Strawhenge
Diiny

thellama73
Ricochet
Devin the Omniscient

The tiers are ordered but the names are not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am going to sleep. I'm sorry but I am too drained to even try to spend more time on this freaking game right now. I'm going to give Zebra my thoughts on the gun to head reads since he's waited patiently (and I expect him to pay up).

I am content with a lynch of any of those three reds.

[Epignosis]

Move Elohcin higher up on that list, will you? She's overwhelmed. Not bad.

[Epignosis]

Of your reds, 3J, I only like the idea of lynching Ricochet. The other two don't make sense to me.

[Strawhenge]

Well, shoot. I'ma be out and about at EOD. Eff tee arr I still feel good about the Sorsha lynch.

Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

oh what's this in this spoiler box what could it be let's go ahead and take a look here we'll just

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Seaside why didn't you just say so to begin with?! :U

JJJ - Just because I didn't have any interactions with LC, I went from blue all the way to orange? That's quite a leap. Especially from someone who just recently screamed that there were too many players. Simply, it was a matter of other things pinging me. Does my casing of players wert LC, i.e. Sorsha, count for anything?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Move Elohcin higher up on that list, will you? She's overwhelmed. Not bad.

I'm willing to believe it. I just don't think she can't be both.

She's one of the least orange I guess. Apricot. Peach.

[Golden]

Looks like there is a legitimate opportunity to lynch someone I think is bad, so I switched to ricochet.

Also, JJJ - you want to judge whether or not I'm really reading you? Fine, here we go.

I think you seem pretty civ-minded today, and you've run the gauntlet well and come out the other side looking pretty ok.

It doesn't mean I'm sure you are good, but I think there is a much higher chance of it right now than I did at the end of last day. Take that however you will.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, shoot. I'ma be out and about at EOD. Eff tee arr I still feel good about the Sorsha lynch.

Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

oh what's this in this spoiler box what could it be let's go ahead and take a look here we'll just

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Seaside why didn't you just say so to begin with?! :U

JJJ - Just because I didn't have any interactions with LC, I went from blue all the way to orange? That's quite a leap. Especially from someone who just recently screamed that there were too many players. Simply, it was a matter of other things pinging me. Does my casing of players wert LC, i.e. Sorsha, count for anything?

There's an important Thing underlined at the top. *collapses into a heap*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Looks like there is a legitimate opportunity to lynch someone I think is bad, so I switched to ricochet.

Also, JJJ - you want to judge whether or not I'm really reading you? Fine, here we go.

I think you seem pretty civ-minded today, and you've run the gauntlet well and come out the other side looking pretty ok.

It doesn't mean I'm sure you are good, but I think there is a much higher chance of it right now than I did at the end of last day. Take that however you will.

Yaaay.

you know when you get so tired that you feel drukn

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy scratches his head... papers are thrown everywere... "I don't get it!" he exclaims... there's too much info to process... It may be impossible...

I've been looking over the final vote tally, taking into account everyone this time. In doing so, I realized that Long Con was not put into a state of possible death UNTIL Russ's vote. I'm no longer feeling the Sorsha vote, and will post my work and change my vote as soon as it's compiled correctly.

also strictly based on my grand analysis, the most civvie players are russ and golden. The only situations where this is wrong are:

• 1. Bcornett is not Civ.
  2. Next level mind games, like 10 steps ahead mind games.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

whre did i put my READAS CHART

[seaside]

so our main options atm for a lynch are in order of who has the most votes

Sorsha - main argument is defending long con?
Russtifinko - some business that rbz is getting into him over?
Golden - difference in vote and opinion?
Ricochet - main argument is interactions with long con?

[a2thezebra]

I'm going to give Zebra my thoughts on the gun to head reads since he's waited patiently (and I expect him to pay up).

I don't see why it has to be a trade, but sure, whatever.

Of your reds, 3J, I only like the idea of lynching Ricochet.

This.

linki @Seaside - Wow. Are you even skimming?

[seaside]

Well, shoot. I'ma be out and about at EOD. Eff tee arr I still feel good about the Sorsha lynch.

Quick note: Seaside responded on the previous page that his confidence in Floyd was 'a joke, bruv'.

oh what's this in this spoiler box what could it be let's go ahead and take a look here we'll just

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Seaside why didn't you just say so to begin with?! :U

JJJ - Just because I didn't have any interactions with LC, I went from blue all the way to orange? That's quite a leap. Especially from someone who just recently screamed that there were too many players. Simply, it was a matter of other things pinging me. Does my casing of players wert LC, i.e. Sorsha, count for anything?

lol

[Epignosis]

so our main options atm for a lynch are in order of who has the most votes

Sorsha - main argument is defending long con?
Russtifinko - some business that rbz is getting into him over?
Golden - difference in vote and opinion?
Ricochet - main argument is interactions with long con?

That's a gross generalization on all four counts.

[seaside]

I'm going to give Zebra my thoughts on the gun to head reads since he's waited patiently (and I expect him to pay up).

I don't see why it has to be a trade, but sure, whatever.

Of your reds, 3J, I only like the idea of lynching Ricochet.

This.

linki @Seaside - Wow. Are you even skimming?

im trying, it gets confusing though

[seaside]

so our main options atm for a lynch are in order of who has the most votes

Sorsha - main argument is defending long con?
Russtifinko - some business that rbz is getting into him over?
Golden - difference in vote and opinion?
Ricochet - main argument is interactions with long con?

That's a gross generalization on all four counts.

well no shit, but we gotta decide and between all these posts, we need to get our options summarised.
my hope with that post, is that someone would correct them, into very short paragraphs outlining the proper options for all.

[a2thezebra]

I would hate to see you not try, then.

[a2thezebra]

so our main options atm for a lynch are in order of who has the most votes

Sorsha - main argument is defending long con?
Russtifinko - some business that rbz is getting into him over?
Golden - difference in vote and opinion?
Ricochet - main argument is interactions with long con?

That's a gross generalization on all four counts.

well no shit, but we gotta decide and between all these posts, we need to get our options summarised.
my hope with that post, is that someone would correct them, into very short paragraphs outlining the proper options for all.

That's an important clarification that your original post could've used.