[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[motel room]

Diiny also has zero votes today. The wagon on him yesterday looks that much more insincere.

Yes maybe but also remember he was very absent until either late that day or after Mac was lynched from memory.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

[Epignosis]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

She's pretty much just following whatever I do.

[motel room]

I understand players won't read my whole thing on seaside, but I would like responses on the bit with the eyes and the spoiled quote below it.

I don't think seaside, as bad as he looks, had a read on me that was dependant on the scumminess of espers or anything so I'm not understanding how we're divining from his comments an expectance of espers to flip town when he's nk'd. Am I misreading?

My theory is that at least 1 out of you three is scum.
It is possible 4 u both to be though.

I don't see the point in wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna die anyway.

I looked through your posts and your big mega reason for isolating these three names and apparently never considering anyone else seriously was from a vote wagon way back in the game. Why? Have your reads not changed based on further events since then? Is there a role (whether its yours or you want us to think it is) that would make you so narrow minded to only consider these names? Or are you just fixating on something to make you look interested enough to disinvolve you from current shit in the thread?

I do not get it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't have time to provide full ISOs, so I'm going to just review the material and tell y'all what I think about everyone else's interactions with Mac in TL;DR format.

*everyone pours out of their homes and celebrates in the streets*

[Epignosis]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

[motel room]

Is epi doing for jjj, what jjj tried to do 4 Mac yesterday?

Epi and mac went at it pretty hard, this would be you suggesting that they are on the same team. So you tell us, what do you make of this suggestion.

[Diiny]

Choutas, I showed you where you called mac a scum read. explain pls.

[TheFloyd73]

Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

Here's some reasons.

Here's some more reasons.

What's your reason for voting for me?

Ugh, can't be bothered looking through your posts. Plus, what MetalMarsh sums up my thinking.

Also, Triple J, what's the heck is your comment on my RYM page about?

[motel room]

I'm happy to vote seaside or Choutas. I'm happy to see JJJ lynched to remove the doubt but I think he did the same thing I did w/r/t mac. I'm not confident about Floyd because of his lack of content but my gut says he'd flip town.

That's where my head's at just now.

[Elohcin]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

She's pretty much just following whatever I do.

The Bible tells me to be submissive.

[Marmot]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

Reasonable doubt that Jay is mafia or seaside is civ?

Linki:

[Diiny]

Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

Here's some reasons.

Here's some more reasons.

What's your reason for voting for me?

Ugh, can't be bothered looking through your posts. Plus, what MetalMarsh sums up my thinking.

Also, Triple J, what's the heck is your comment on my RYM page about?

Which metalmarsh post is this, Floyd?

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

What is the context?

I would like third parties to consider what context I am missing here, since seaside has thus far declined to provide one.

If I took it out of context, I would like to know so that I may make a more educated vote (and that will probably be 3J again).

If I didn't take it out of context, and seaside says I did, then he needs to be lynched.

[Epignosis]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

She's pretty much just following whatever I do.

The Bible tells me to be submissive.

You're just skimming the pages for my posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed analysis of DrWilgy:

Quick review of DrWilgy:

- Mac middle of the pack in his points-based vote analysis
- Strong resistance to Mac's treatment of Sorsha
- Consistent opposer of Mac in the thread
- Mac accused Doc of tunneling him
- Prodded Mac for that "information" he promised from the Sorsha town flip
- Prodded by Mac publicly to talk more
- Includes Mac in scumlist on Day 5
- Questions Mac and others about their night targets, probably against rules to answer


Votes:
Dusk 0: BWT (11), MM (3)
Day 1: BWT (12)
Day 2: LC (18)
Day 3: Golden (28)
Day 4: Devin (31)
Day 5: bcornett (7)
Day 6: MacDougall (4)

~~~

If you're going to accuse Doc, then that means you're accusing him of bussing both confirmed mafia (and bussing Mac hard). That's not impossible, but you have to acknowledge that this is the truth of his content. I think he looks decent in his votes, and the strongest look in his posts is his treatment of Mac with regards to how he handled the Sorsha lynch.

Grade: B

[motel room]

seaside

are you still around?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, if you could express your feelings about the current Floyd wagon with one adjective, what would that be?

[Elohcin]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

She's pretty much just following whatever I do.

The Bible tells me to be submissive.

You're just skimming the pages for my posts.

I most certainly am NOT. What makes you think you are so special. I am just doing a ctrl F of "elo". :P I will read back later but for now I just wanted to see who's talking about me.

[Diiny]

Epi, if you could express your feelings about the current Floyd wagon with one adjective, what would that be?

I WANNA PLAY

"EASY"

[Epignosis]

Epi, if you could express your feelings about the current Floyd wagon with one adjective, what would that be?

BLAAAAAAAARHGDHGGGGGGGGHDWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHFFFFFLP

[Marmot]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

Reasonable doubt that Jay is mafia or seaside is civ?

[Epignosis]

Epi, if you could express your feelings about the current Floyd wagon with one adjective, what would that be?

BLAAAAAAAARHGDHGGGGGGGGHDWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHFFFFFLP

*Ahem*

I mean to say, "Meh."

I realize that's two interjections and that I've doubly failed your test, but I have no idea about TheFloyd73. He said some things that he, at this juncture, deserves to be lynched over (I still don't get the "in the thread you mean?" stuff). I keep holding out hope that he would become less enigmatic and more assertive as things wind down, but so far that hasn't happened.

[Epignosis]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

Reasonable doubt that Jay is mafia or seaside is civ?

In the court of law, a reasonable doubt that 3J is guilty.

I have thus changed my vote to seaside because of how he has responded to my assessment of him.

[Epignosis]

BTW, Elohcin: I hope I didn't sound like a meanie when I said your vote was annoying. That was a poor word choice. Any vote for me is annoying, I said that about yours because I know very little about your suspicion of me in specific terms.

She's pretty much just following whatever I do.

The Bible tells me to be submissive.

You're just skimming the pages for my posts.

I most certainly am NOT. What makes you think you are so special.

You married me.

[Marmot]

Should we call Devin, Devin the Omniscient or Draconus?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed analysis of Elohcin:

- Chummy with Mac early in the game, found him funny
- Voted with Mac on Day 1 because he made her laugh
- Voices a strong town read on Mac and others on Day 3
- Refuses to vote Mac on Day 4, reiterates her town read on him
- Suggests on Day 5 that Matt F made good points against Mac, no specifics stated
- Turns against Mac in general on Day 5 based on his reaction to SK accusations
- Mac directly asks Elo to move her vote, she says she will if he gives her a good reason (and then doesn't)
- Tells Mac he's being an asshat on Night 5
- Seems to be gaining conviction in a baddie read on Mac on Night 5
- Helps lynch Mac on Day 6

Elo's votes:

Dusk 0: none
Day 1: Diiny (24)
Day 2: Sorsha (33)
Day 3: Zebra (7)
Day 4: Sorsha (24)
Day 5: Mac (19)
Day 6: Mac (21)

~~~

One can suggest her early treatment of Mac is a bit suspicious. The chumminess doesn't mean much to me, but she was somewhat fierce about her town read on him. This read nosedived to baddiedom quickly though and she never relented until he was dead. My gut tells me that this reversal was based on his behavior when he went chaotic and not on a ploy as his team mate.

Grade: B

[Choutas]

Choutas, I showed you where you called mac a scum read. explain pls.

At least not in a way that is known to call someone scum, build a case and lynch someone. Mac acted in a very non Mac way with DrWilgy someone he should have bullied imo. I pointed that as potentially scum interaction yet it still never outdo all the times I saw and read Mac as town. When somebody looks town to you and does one scummy thing do you immediately lynch him? I always had him as a town read in all of my rainbow lists. Am I consistent or not? Floyd has only done scummy things and that's why he's my lynch candidate. doesn't that make sense? What does?
If you think I'm scum you should vote for me. Don't wait for a bandwagon to hop on make that bandwagon and suffer the consequences for it since I'm town all the way.

The only guy who has suspected me in a regular and respectful manner is Motel Room.
JJJ has activated the self-preservation mode apparently I don't blame him.

The only question that needs to be answered my beautiful friends is Floyd not a great lynch candidate?

[Marmot]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

Reasonable doubt that Jay is mafia or seaside is civ?

In the court of law, a reasonable doubt that 3J is guilty.

I have thus changed my vote to seaside because of how he has responded to my assessment of him.

Seaside is the only player you have read as bad to place a vote on Jay today.

If Jay is civilian, do you think there would be more mafia jumping on board the Jay wagon or not?

[Diiny]

Choutas, I showed you where you called mac a scum read. explain pls.

At least not in a way that is known to call someone scum, build a case and lynch someone. Mac acted in a very non Mac way with DrWilgy someone he should have bullied imo. I pointed that as potentially scum interaction yet it still never outdo all the times I saw and read Mac as town. I always had him as a town read in all of my rainbow lists.

"This is mafia interaction calling it. Mac and Wilgy are in this together"

Yeah nah if this isn't you calling him scum rather than pointing out something scummy about him I don't know WHAT is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think it's impossible to be thrilled about a Floyd lynch because there's just no way to draw a lynch-caliber case from his content. I think his voting behavior is pretty suspicious though. Assuming I get offed today I am not worried that he'd drift on by unfettered -- he has too many enemies in the thread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to do an Epi analysis because I think it'd be a poor use of my time.

It wouldn't be ridiculous to suggest he and Mac could have been team mates involved in a coordinated bus considering Mac's treatment of LC and Epi's intuition about that very sort of coordination. The reason I don't think they're on the same team is Mac's insistence that Epi was the SK -- whether Mac really believed that or not, I don't see this as a beneficial move for Mac on any front if Epi is his team mate. He'd bus his team mate without enjoying any of the town credit it'd be meant to yield.

[motel room]

I guess we still have a last second Russtifinko vote to expect again.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not going to do an Epi analysis because I think it'd be a poor use of my time.

EBWOP

[Epignosis]

Okay.

I have a reasonable doubt now, and seaside is getting my vote at this time.

Reasonable doubt that Jay is mafia or seaside is civ?

In the court of law, a reasonable doubt that 3J is guilty.

I have thus changed my vote to seaside because of how he has responded to my assessment of him.

Seaside is the only player you have read as bad to place a vote on Jay today.

If Jay is civilian, do you think there would be more mafia jumping on board the Jay wagon or not?

With their limited gunpower thus far, I would say yes.

[DrWilgy]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

[Choutas]

Choutas, I showed you where you called mac a scum read. explain pls.

At least not in a way that is known to call someone scum, build a case and lynch someone. Mac acted in a very non Mac way with DrWilgy someone he should have bullied imo. I pointed that as potentially scum interaction yet it still never outdo all the times I saw and read Mac as town. I always had him as a town read in all of my rainbow lists.

"This is mafia interaction calling it. Mac and Wilgy are in this together"

Yeah nah if this isn't you calling him scum rather than pointing out something scummy about him I don't know WHAT is.

I don't think what I post much. I'm not scum caught a lie but a townie struggling to contribute in a meaningful manner and I don't put much thought on how to word my posts. It might look scummy to you but I never voted for Mac ever. How do you read that? Either he's my scummate or I never thought he was scum, never. I mean I don't blame you for saying what you did but a post and that post in particular(since that's what we're talking about) is not damning of me cause if you read all of my posts you'd clearly see I called Mac a townie all the days up until today and never voted for him. The guys I've voted to lynch all game where players I called scum much more than I called town and without the context of my post history that is lost.
Whoever has played with me knows how I play. I don't blame most guys for not knowing me and what I do but again without a general feel of someone's playstyle and overall reads throughout the game most stuff is scummy even mine.
Again do what you must by all means. I just hope that the ninety times I called Mac town could somehow exonerate me from the 2-3 times I called town scum. If that makese sense to you of course.

[motel room]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

[Marmot]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed analysis of thellama73 / fingersplints:

- On Day 1 llama suggests Mac's aggressiveness warrants a closer look but does not commit to calling it suspicious. This was llama's only Mac-relevant content.
- Mac gripes about llama's vague assertion.
- Mac votes llama during the lynch of LC when those two along with bcornett were all close in the tally
- Mac's read on llama reverses to a town read after LC flips scum, he doubted "both wagons would be mafia" due to numerical improbability
- Mac is critical of llama's voting pattern while still calling him a town read
- splints's only Mac-relevant content was to talk to him about how many tabs she uses during TS mafia games
- Mac suggests that if splints is scum, the LC lynch was likely a "bus job"

Their votes:

Dusk 0: MM (12), BWT (13)
Day 1: Diiny (6)
Day 2: Diiny (24)
Day 3: Russ (20)
Day 4: none
Day 5: Black Rock (17)
Day 6: Russ (9)

~~~

There are some pings here. Mac's suggestion that llama was a big scum read before changing that to a town read based solely on mathematical probability isn't a great look. Both of these players were also very limited in their Mac-relevant content. The votes aren't great: during both mafia lynches they were on inconsequential wagons. It should be noted though that they were both very early votes.

Grade: D+

[Choutas]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Having his sight locked on bcornett has worked for him distancing himself from every lynch and keep his ass safe up until now. He has never considered most lynch bandwagons if I recall correctly. He's a survivalist it wouldn't surprise me if he's bad.

[bcornett24]

Spoiler: show

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

What is the context?

I would like third parties to consider what context I am missing here, since seaside has thus far declined to provide one.

If I took it out of context, I would like to know so that I may make a more educated vote (and that will probably be 3J again).

If I didn't take it out of context, and seaside says I did, then he needs to be lynched.

I agree with this conclusion, this looks bad for seaside. Is there some context that you have overlooked?

@ Seaside - What context? Please explain.

[Choutas]

JJJ I give you the permission to build a lynch around me and bump me off. It will give me time to work on other things and you will finally see what I am. You've been having me as townie and baddie I must have confused you right?

[motel room]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

I'm not sure yet who to pick between JJJ and Floyd when push comes to shove but I would much rather lynch seaside.

Removing either of them has its benefits.

[DrWilgy]

I'm suspicious of JJJ, but between bcornett and JJJ, I'd rather have JJJ. Bcornett is the worse of two evils.

*Wilgy presses the big red button*

[Choutas]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

I'm not sure yet who to pick between JJJ and Floyd when push comes to shove but I would much rather lynch seaside.

Removing either of them has its benefits.

MR can you give us your reads? Apparently me, JJJ, floyd and seaside, who else?

linki: worse of two evils? Does that make sense? Do you know their roles or something :o ?

[Marmot]

I'm suspicious of JJJ, but between bcornett and JJJ, I'd rather have JJJ. Bcornett is the worse of two evils.

*Wilgy presses the big red button*

The bigger question is: would you rather have Floyd or Jay?

[motel room]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

I'm not sure yet who to pick between JJJ and Floyd when push comes to shove but I would much rather lynch seaside.

Removing either of them has its benefits.

MR can you give us your reads? Apparently me, JJJ, floyd and seaside, who else?

linki: worse of two evils? Does that make sense? Do you know their roles or something :o ?

No these are just of the names on the table at the moment. I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

[TheFloyd73]

Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

Here's some reasons.

Here's some more reasons.

What's your reason for voting for me?

Ugh, can't be bothered looking through your posts. Plus, what MetalMarsh sums up my thinking.

Also, Triple J, what's the heck is your comment on my RYM page about?

Which metalmarsh post is this, Floyd?

The annoyingly long one with heaps of spoilers.

[Russtifinko]

Hey all, sorry I have been AWOL. Worked until after ten last night and immediately went to bed, and had another huge day today. I'll be back to my usual self by the weekend.

I don't know how to feel about TheFloyd, but I still find it hard to believe JJJ would have bussed LC the way he did and then been so supatown all this time. I can definitely see why people are voting there, but I won't join. I'm gonna read through Floyd now and see if I get anything from him one way or another, to decide whether to put a vote there.