[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Choutas]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

I'm not sure yet who to pick between JJJ and Floyd when push comes to shove but I would much rather lynch seaside.

Removing either of them has its benefits.

MR can you give us your reads? Apparently me, JJJ, floyd and seaside, who else?

linki: worse of two evils? Does that make sense? Do you know their roles or something :o ?

No these are just of the names on the table at the moment. I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Woah there stranger. So only seaside is a worthwhile lynch? Is that what you're saying? You've labeled me as scum more times than you seaside. Townie points deducted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed analysis of Matt F

- Mac GTH reads Matt bad, suggests he has no overwhelming thought and that he made him "tingle once"
- Matt asked him to expand, Mac built a somewhat large case against Matt -- contradicts the "tingle once"
- Gives Matt crap for his treatment of Sorsha
- Throws shade at FZ's case against Epi and pushes his Matt case in its stead
- Mac suggests Matt scumslipped when he gave a strong town read on Elo
- Mac tells motel room that he just wanted a reaction from Matt
- Matt rings the alarm bells, gives thread theory about Mac as the SK. Mac is not pleased.
- Mac suggests Matt is likely town because "only townies concoct lunatic theories"
- Matt pushes his SK hard, and when it doesn't stick he works against Mac for his reactions to that theory
- Matt is vocal against Mac until Mac is dead

Matt's votes:

Dusk 0: Golden (6), reywaS (5)
Day 1: BWT (23)
Day 2: Sorsha (25)
Day 3: Sorsha (4)
Day 4: Sorsha (20)
Day 5: espers (34)
Day 6: Mac (18)

~~~

Matt was critical of himself for his numerous votes for townies. I think it's at least a little better that it was three-straight Sorsha votes, suggesting he was in tunnel-mode. He delivered during the Mac lynch. The best look for him I think is that he raised the SK theory against Mac that sent Mac into chaos mode -- and thus poisoned half of the players against Mac. Mac was being cased wrongly as a bad guy and many people correctly read his reaction to that. I don't think this is indicative of Matt being involved in a coordinated bus.

Grade: A-

[Diiny]

Whats with the Google not that keeps viewing the thread?

Triple J, what's your reason for voting for Black Rock?

Here's some reasons.

Here's some more reasons.

What's your reason for voting for me?

Ugh, can't be bothered looking through your posts. Plus, what MetalMarsh sums up my thinking.

Also, Triple J, what's the heck is your comment on my RYM page about?

Which metalmarsh post is this, Floyd?

The annoyingly long one with heaps of spoilers.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p187680 This one?

[Russtifinko]

I'm happy to see JJJ lynched to remove the doubt but I think he did the same thing I did w/r/t mac.

I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Please esplain.

[DrWilgy]

Nah,

I think the term that describes my suspicion on JJJ would be most described as uncomfortable. The term that describes my suspicion on bcornett is dodgy.

@MM I'd rather have JJJ

My "I would vote for this person" list for tonight is

Bcornett> Floyd> JJJ> Sleeper Agents

[motel room]

Zzzzzz...

Voting bcornett.

What about the top lynch contenders?

Right back at you.

I wouldn't mind lynching seaside, but I still believe Jay is mafia.

I'm not sure yet who to pick between JJJ and Floyd when push comes to shove but I would much rather lynch seaside.

Removing either of them has its benefits.

MR can you give us your reads? Apparently me, JJJ, floyd and seaside, who else?

linki: worse of two evils? Does that make sense? Do you know their roles or something :o ?

No these are just of the names on the table at the moment. I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Woah there stranger. So only seaside is a worthwhile lynch? Is that what you're saying? You've labeled me as scum more times than you seaside. Townie points deducted.

Woah nelly yourself. I would vote you, no sweat. My vote is on seaside right now is all. Have a gander at my GTH scum reads too if you're interested in who I'm suspicious of before you start twisting shit.

[Choutas]

I'm not twisting shit please point out where do you disagree with me.
Not once have you called me a townie within game. Every single day you've voiced your suspicion about me. How the fuck am I your lynch to go guy and you voted for seaside? I mean seriously what the fuck.

[motel room]

I'm happy to see JJJ lynched to remove the doubt but I think he did the same thing I did w/r/t mac.

I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Please esplain.

Which part? I wont be surprised if they were both town, but I'm not sold so hard as to defend them and they are both potential distractions now at this point and if not lynched now will probably ride on as lynch contenders until the end of the game is all.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

What is the context?

I would like third parties to consider what context I am missing here, since seaside has thus far declined to provide one.

If I took it out of context, I would like to know so that I may make a more educated vote (and that will probably be 3J again).

If I didn't take it out of context, and seaside says I did, then he needs to be lynched.

[Russtifinko]

I'm happy to see JJJ lynched to remove the doubt but I think he did the same thing I did w/r/t mac.

I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Please esplain.

Which part? I wont be surprised if they were both town, but I'm not sold so hard as to defend them and they are both potential distractions now at this point and if not lynched now will probably ride on as lynch contenders until the end of the game is all.

To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

[Marmot]

Epignosis, I don't think it's context-dependent.

[Choutas]

I won't sleep until motel room votes for me.

[Russtifinko]

I actually wouldn't be opposed to a seaside lynch if there's time - dude's been acting weird since D1. However, motel room voted for him, and motel room just took a big jump up my suspect list.

I'd definitely be down to try to pull votes onto motel room.

I didn't see anything in Floyd's history that makes me really want him dead. I think the scum slip theories are overblown, and beyond that there's just not much there.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, I don't think it's context-dependent.

That's what I'm driving at- yet he threw that out there because he had no immediate defense against what I said.

[Russtifinko]

motel room for now. Come join! It's a nice big room, and we have free HBO and a continental breakfast.

[Epignosis]

I actually wouldn't be opposed to a seaside lynch if there's time - dude's been acting weird since D1. However, motel room voted for him, and motel room just took a big jump up my suspect list.

I'd definitely be down to try to pull votes onto motel room.

Why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Speed analysis of Metalmarsh89:

- Marsh asks Mac to join him with a vote for Russ on Day 1
- Suggests Mac among others might have tried to save Devin during the Sorsha lynch
- Expresses doubt about Matt's SK theory of Mac
- Tells Matt he's not opposed to lynching Mac
- Pokes Mac about him not being the SK and instead mafia
- Supports Mac's counter-theory to Matt's theory
- Includes Mac on a scumlist on Day 5
- Throws shade at Mac for his treatment of Sorsha and response to Matt's theory
- Asks me for meta information on Mac
- Suggests Mac is "intimidated" on Night 5
- Suggests Mac hinted at Rico being town in a post, is suspicious

Marsh's votes:

Dusk 0: JJJ (35), DrWilgy (4)
Day 1: Russ (18)
Day 2: seaside (2)
Day 3: none
Day 4: JJJ (12)
Day 5: espers (30)
Day 6: Mac (11)

~~~

This looks a little better than I expected. His treatment of Mac makes him appear to me as someone who is genuinely invested in getting a read on him (he showed due respect to both sides of the read when he was most involved in Mac-relevant conversation). His votes aren't bad from my perspective even if one of them was for me.

Grade: B+

[bcornett24]

I'm happy to see JJJ lynched to remove the doubt but I think he did the same thing I did w/r/t mac.

I actually feel like JJJ and Floyd will flip town.

Please esplain.

Which part? I wont be surprised if they were both town, but I'm not sold so hard as to defend them and they are both potential distractions now at this point and if not lynched now will probably ride on as lynch contenders until the end of the game is all.

To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

This is correct, my entire argument with him was about this. The fact that he wanted to lynch sorsha because he said it would leave breadcrumbs if she was town. It left nothing but a dead townie and voting history which we would have gotten with any lynch.

[Epignosis]

motel room for now. Come join! It's a nice big room, and we have free HBO and a continental breakfast.

It isn't free. It's included in the price of the room.

Some economist.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

seaside has been rather curt in his responses to just about everything addressed to him in this game. I don't know what context he feels was being missed. I do think he played a significant role in generating the Diiny counterwagon to Mac. There is content in his post history to suggest he had a reason to vote for Diiny though.

I just don't know what that is. He's pointed to the infodumping rule when I've tried to figure out what he's talking about.

[motel room]

I'm not twisting shit please point out where do you disagree with me.
Not once have you called me a townie within game. Every single day you've voiced your suspicion about me. How the fuck am I your lynch to go guy and you voted for seaside? I mean seriously what the fuck.

Because I am suspicious of a few players, you included. I've voiced suspicion of seaside too. Maybe I have my vote on him for a reason. And there's still time for anything to happen vote-wise.

So I think you "mean seriously what the fuck" but don't actually mean it cos that's an overreaction.

[Marmot]

Epignosis, I don't think it's context-dependent.

That's what I'm driving at- yet he threw that out there because he had no immediate defense against what I said.

I'll switch my vote.

But if the seaside lynch doesn't happen, I'm going back to Jay.

[Epignosis]

seaside has been rather curt in his responses to just about everything addressed to him in this game. I don't know what context he feels was being missed. I do think he played a significant role in generating the Diiny counterwagon to Mac. There is content in his post history to suggest he had a reason to vote for Diiny though.

I just don't know what that is. He's pointed to the infodumping rule when I've tried to figure out what he's talking about.

Then why don't you vote seaside now to show he's a viable option rather than toss your vote onto TheFloyd73 at the last minute like everyone is expecting you to do?

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, I don't think it's context-dependent.

That's what I'm driving at- yet he threw that out there because he had no immediate defense against what I said.

I'll switch my vote.

But if the seaside lynch doesn't happen, I'm going back to Jay.

Fair enough.

[Marmot]

seaside has been rather curt in his responses to just about everything addressed to him in this game. I don't know what context he feels was being missed. I do think he played a significant role in generating the Diiny counterwagon to Mac. There is content in his post history to suggest he had a reason to vote for Diiny though.

I just don't know what that is. He's pointed to the infodumping rule when I've tried to figure out what he's talking about.

This may or may not help.

[Epignosis]

ELOH

What do you think of a seaside lynch?

[motel room]

To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

Nah you should quote it cos I don't like you dropping into the thread after no content and trying to drum up shit without context.

I'm not sure how I can further explain it. I think JJJ may be town and made the same mistaken judgement on mac as I did. I'm not confident enough to fight his lynch and can see benefit from him as a lynch contender being removed from further chatter. He has even said the same thing himself. Why is me thinking this so suspicious to you, specifically?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

seaside has been rather curt in his responses to just about everything addressed to him in this game. I don't know what context he feels was being missed. I do think he played a significant role in generating the Diiny counterwagon to Mac. There is content in his post history to suggest he had a reason to vote for Diiny though.

I just don't know what that is. He's pointed to the infodumping rule when I've tried to figure out what he's talking about.

Then why don't you vote seaside now to show he's a viable option rather than toss your vote onto TheFloyd73 at the last minute like everyone is expecting you to do?

Sure, fuggit.

I'm looking at your case Marsh.

SEASIDE

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

So right now, we have this:

Long Con
8
Choutas (12), sig (16), seaside (17), DrWilgy (18), motel room (31), bcornett24 (32), JaggedJimmyJay (34), Russtifinko (35) 21%

++++

Diiny
6
sig (22), seaside (23), MacDougall (24), motel room (26), Choutas (27), JaggedJimmyJay (28)
21%

MacDougall
7
DrWilgy (4), Ricochet (10), Metalmarsh89 (11), Epignosis (15), Matt F (18), Elohcin (21), Russtifinko (25)
24%

++++

JaggedJimmyJay
6
Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (7), seaside (9), TheFloyd73 (13), Elohcin (16), sig (23)
25%

TheFloyd73
5
Choutas (10), Strawhenge (18), Matt F (20), bcornett24 (21), Bullzeye (22)
21%

Takeaway the third:

seaside was the third vote for LC, and the second for Diiny. His reason for LC was "survival" (quotations appropriate). So with only two votes at the time (hours before the deadline), seaside puts his vote on LC. Earlier, he had voted rundontwalk, and also said this:

I must admit, i have a pretty strong town read on mac atm. despite me calling him a rogue earlier.

Yep, that all looks bad to me.

Nice job at taking things outta context

What is the context?

I would like third parties to consider what context I am missing here, since seaside has thus far declined to provide one.

If I took it out of context, I would like to know so that I may make a more educated vote (and that will probably be 3J again).

If I didn't take it out of context, and seaside says I did, then he needs to be lynched.

I agree with this conclusion, this looks bad for seaside. Is there some context that you have overlooked?

@ Seaside - What context? Please explain.

Are you still voting TheFloyd73?

[sig]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

[motel room]

I actually wouldn't be opposed to a seaside lynch if there's time - dude's been acting weird since D1. However, motel room voted for him, and motel room just took a big jump up my suspect list.

I'd definitely be down to try to pull votes onto motel room.

I didn't see anything in Floyd's history that makes me really want him dead. I think the scum slip theories are overblown, and beyond that there's just not much there.

You've never even mentioned me before and now you're willing to create a bandwagon against me? How do I fit into the rest of the events and the confirmed scum and the bandwagons? - Go.

[motel room]

Oh and Choutas I also had my vote on Russti for most of today and very willing to go back there if anything develops, so grab a macchiato or something.

[bcornett24]

Either way I'm not happy with a JJJ lynch, it makes no sense to me and I have stated my reasons for why. I'm happy with any of my top 6 and since seaside is in there and jjj isn't this is fine with me.

seaside

Time to look into DrWilgy.

[Diiny]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

To invoke reactions like this, dude

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Read your stuff, Marsh. I think your suspicion is valid at least in that seaside has been very limited in his focus and very short on explanations for his reads. I find myself wondering what the play would be here for a mafia seaside, but I've proven this game that I need to thoroughly review my perspective of that concept anyway.

[bcornett24]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

To invoke reactions like this, dude

Diiny you surely realize if jay is lynched and flips town, this is like standing on a cross and saying crucify me...

[Choutas]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

Change your vote then only you can make that call. We won't justify your actions, only you can.

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

[Marmot]

Read your stuff, Marsh. I think your suspicion is valid at least in that seaside has been very limited in his focus and very short on explanations for his reads. I find myself wondering what the play would be here for a mafia seaside, but I've proven this game that I need to thoroughly review my perspective of that concept anyway.

I only did because you justified seaside's vote on you with that he had been suspecting you for days.

In reality, he didn't suspect you until late Night 5, but just kept your name on a shortlist of possibilities.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

I'm surprised and a bit off-put that you're willing to doubt your mafia read on me simply because I'm taking on a workload in this phase which is just like the workload I took on in each prior phase.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

Neat, why not?

[Choutas]

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

Neat, why not?

Infodumping.

[Marmot]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

To invoke reactions like this, dude

Or to play himself out of a lynch. It's certainly in Jay's abilities to do that.

Linki: what Choutas?

[Diiny]

I'm having doubt about this lynch, if JJJ was mafia why would he continue to make these posts? These seem time consuming for a caught mafia, but likely something a civ would do. Thoughts on this?

To invoke reactions like this, dude

Diiny you surely realize if jay is lynched and flips town, this is like standing on a cross and saying crucify me...

I don't necessarily believe this is the case, I was pointing out that this is just obviously a possibility and to shed doubt on the JJJ lynch using this only makes me think it's a cheap way of being able to change his vote after sensing that the wagons are going to change.

Are you saying that calling someone scum who flips town later is bad???????

SENSATIONAL.

This is making me feel like you've been looking at this game from a scum perspective though

[Diiny]

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

Neat, why not?

Infodumping.

lol.

Isn't using 'infodumping' as an answer just infodumping?

[Marmot]

Isn't using 'infodumping' as an answer just infodumping?

Yes, and so is lying about having info, or fake-infodumping.

[Epignosis]

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

Neat, why not?

Infodumping.

Then would you be so kind as to answer the post I quoted three times?

[Diiny]

Isn't using 'infodumping' as an answer just infodumping?

Yes, and so is lying about having info, or fake-infodumping.

I'm teeell-iiing

[Russtifinko]

I actually wouldn't be opposed to a seaside lynch if there's time - dude's been acting weird since D1. However, motel room voted for him, and motel room just took a big jump up my suspect list.

I'd definitely be down to try to pull votes onto motel room.

Why?

Mainly, he's throwing out totally unsupported opinions, every so often and saying we should believe them just because.

He was on Rico for days for being bad, and then suddenly N5 he thought Rico was good "despite really wanting you to be scum".

Since D3 he's been saying JJJ, espers, Diiny, and Zebra were bad, for no other reason than that they voted Rico on D3. (He later retracted his suspicion of Zebra upon learning Zebra was a dead civ when he posted this, and he's since back off of also-dead-civ espers.) This post in particular reeks:

anyway, i reakon there is a strong chance one of those three are scum
i'm not saying those three are my most suspicious (or suspicious at all) but i think 1 of the 3 could be scum

He hasn't offered even a modicum of a case against any of them, but is trying like hell to get people to join him in a lynch just because. He even tried to use JJJ's move away from Mac yesterday to get Diiny.

Today, though, he's all about the easy JJJ lynch. He has precisely one point of evidence: he's been going on about JJJ's Mac connection all day, despite the fact that everyone is perfectly clear on it. I think he's trying to lock up the lynch without making it look like he is. Which actually makes me wonder if my vote should be on Floyd after all. If there has been a save attempt in the thread so far, this is the one. It's just subtle enough that people might miss it, and just unsubstantiated enough that he might be able to laugh it off.

motel room for now. Come join! It's a nice big room, and we have free HBO and a continental breakfast.

It isn't free. It's included in the price of the room.

Some economist.

rekt

Linki: Oh wow, big push toward seaside here. Holy cow. That's a bit nerve-wracking.

motel room, my suspicion of Mac arose because he was willing to lynch civs for no good reason. I've suspected people for less. I'll read you in full by tomorrow, but since you won't be lynched today and I'm short on time it's not worth the bother. As it stands now, I consider you a major suspect. I see you voted me for most of the day - what do you find suspicious about me?

[Choutas]

Fwiw I am not down for a seaside lynch. I am putting this now cause there is a strong wind to that direction.

Neat, why not?

Infodumping.

Then would you be so kind as to answer the post I quoted three times?

Which one?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We have ten minutes, so please move quickly Choutas. I am completely at a loss right now because I feel like I'm breaking the rules if I honor that.