[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Epignosis]

Sun's up people. Get cracking.

[Matt]

Psssst motel room, the following is what I consider "tunneling", not what I'm goin' after you and 3J for...

Jay, keej, it's quite noble that you're trying to save your scumbuddy right now, but I'm not buying it.

I still can't get over this post. If Strawhenge truly felt that MacDougall was a "scum buddy" to 3J and Motel Room, then why did he not place his vote on Mac? By referring to Mac as "scum buddy", this means Strawhenge must've thought Mac was "scum". Yet he refused to make a difference between Mac or Diiny in the lynch. I dun git it.

I am happy with a 3J lynch today, which is where the thread will prolly go, but I'd also like Strawhenge, motel room, and Floyd to be on the chopping block, as well.

[Epignosis]

Psssst motel room, the following is what I consider "tunneling", not what I'm goin' after you and 3J for...

Jay, keej, it's quite noble that you're trying to save your scumbuddy right now, but I'm not buying it.

I still can't get over this post. If Strawhenge truly felt that MacDougall was a "scum buddy" to 3J and Motel Room, then why did he not place his vote on Mac? By referring to Mac as "scum buddy", this means Strawhenge must've thought Mac was "scum". Yet he refused to make a difference between Mac or Diiny in the lynch. I dun git it.

I am happy with a 3J lynch today, which is where the thread will prolly go, but I'd also like Strawhenge, motel room, and Floyd to be on the chopping block, as well.

Have you offered an opinion on Russtifinko?

[Choutas]

[Matt]

Yes, I've had him marked as "anti-Mafia" since he was the 8th and final vote on Long Con during Day 2. Yes it's possible to bus teamies, but considering how important Long Con's role was, and considering Russ' vote was the essential nail in the coffin, I have a hard time seeing him as bad.

However, I have decided this day to straight scum huntin', so I will ISO Russ now!!

[Matt]

Yes, I've had him marked as "anti-Mafia" since he was the 8th and final vote on Long Con during Day 2. Yes it's possible to bus teamies, but considering how important Long Con's role was, and considering Russ' vote was the essential nail in the coffin, I have a hard time seeing him as bad.

However, I have decided to dedicate this day to straight scum huntin', so I will ISO Russ now!!

Fixed*

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

[Epignosis]

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

He's too busy staring at the sun. He's so high he's off the poll.

[Choutas]

Yes, I've had him marked as "anti-Mafia" since he was the 8th and final vote on Long Con during Day 2. Yes it's possible to bus teamies, but considering how important Long Con's role was, and considering Russ' vote was the essential nail in the coffin, I have a hard time seeing him as bad.

However, I have decided to dedicate this day to straight scum huntin', so I will ISO Russ now!!

Fixed*

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

Deal with it meme.
Let's make this lynch count today boyos.

[Matt]

Who are your top suspects Choutas?

[Russtifinko]

holy shit I'm not touching that monster post any more. I'll pull out your red and reply and you'll just have to remember what I'm replying to. Cos damn some of that still isnt actually questions.

You could just quote it, and then put your answers in blue. Then we know where the convo's been and where it's currently at.

Anyway, I'm out. I'll be back in the morning to continue our discussion.

What does everyone in the thread think about 3J and Motel room voting together 5 out of 7 day phases, dissuading players from voting MacDougall during Day 6, and bandwagoning a civilian Day 7?

Matt, thanks for bringing some attention to motel room. I think my point about him being ok with lynching civs yesterday was largely ignored, with the seaside stuff going on.

I do think motel room is suspicious. I think it'd be a bit of a weird move for two baddies to vote together so often, as I've been on baddie teams that intentionally avoided voting together too often so they wouldn't implicate one another if they died. Idk though, maybe not every baddie does that. I think the D5-7 votes together make the most sense from a "they're baddie teammates" perspective, since those were important results and were up in the air, but I guess I don't get why they'd vote together on D1 & D2.

Has anyone ever played a game with a baddie JJJ? Because I have only ever seen him good before and could use an evaluation of his baddie prowess. The past few days' lynches look really bad for him, I agree, but he just seems so dang genuine in every post. And he's written tons of stuff with actual content. Just having trouble deciding whether to follow the hard evidence or my read, and trying to assess how valuable my read actually is.

[Russtifinko]

I am putting a vote onto Russ, based on what MacDougall said. I really don't have the time to catch up fully and form a solid opinion right now. Voting for Russ is the best I can do.

Black Rock replaced AceofSpaces. This was one of AceofSpaces' only two posts of the game before he subbed out, in which he followed a known teammate's suspicion to vote Russti, being the second vote on him and about an hour before the deadline.

I asked Mac if he wanted to lynch Russti, who had quickly gained four votes, and was looking like a decent lynch candidate (trailing birdwithteeth 4-7). Instead, Mac left his vote on the less popular reywas (now RadicalFuzz).

These things considered, I think Russtifinko is mafia.

Wait, wait, wait. So disregarding everything I've done this game and all 139 pages of content, I'm bad because one baddie voted for me on Day 1 but another one didn't?? I fail to see the merit of this.

If I had two lynches as of this moment, they'd go to 3J and Russ.

You think motel room is clean or you just like these two better?

Russ was my Day 1 suspect, and he never left that list.

This seems....tunnelly.

If either of you have a case to bring, please, let's have it out in the open. I'm happy to defend myself if need be, and I have nothing to hide.. I don't like these mentions and insinuations with nothing behind them, though. They've led to too many bad lynches, just because someone's name is out there a lot.

[Elohcin]

I am civ. I think we need to lynch JJJ or Floyd today. Who is with me?

[Epignosis]

I am putting a vote onto Russ, based on what MacDougall said. I really don't have the time to catch up fully and form a solid opinion right now. Voting for Russ is the best I can do.

Black Rock replaced AceofSpaces. This was one of AceofSpaces' only two posts of the game before he subbed out, in which he followed a known teammate's suspicion to vote Russti, being the second vote on him and about an hour before the deadline.

I asked Mac if he wanted to lynch Russti, who had quickly gained four votes, and was looking like a decent lynch candidate (trailing birdwithteeth 4-7). Instead, Mac left his vote on the less popular reywas (now RadicalFuzz).

These things considered, I think Russtifinko is mafia.

Wait, wait, wait. So disregarding everything I've done this game and all 139 pages of content, I'm bad because one baddie voted for me on Day 1 but another one didn't?? I fail to see the merit of this.

If I had two lynches as of this moment, they'd go to 3J and Russ.

You think motel room is clean or you just like these two better?

Russ was my Day 1 suspect, and he never left that list.

This seems....tunnelly.

If either of you have a case to bring, please, let's have it out in the open. I'm happy to defend myself if need be, and I have nothing to hide.. I don't like these mentions and insinuations with nothing behind them, though. They've led to too many bad lynches, just because someone's name is out there a lot.

"Tunnelly?"

Name the last time I voted you.

Name the last time I questioned you.

Name the last time I went after you.

You're about to all three wishes.

[Choutas]

Who are your top suspects Choutas?

Do you want me to drop a bomb? OK here it goes.
1,2,3
You ask me who's the scummiest and murderous
Who tried to kill whom? Who was supposed to be slain.
Y'all had it all before you, game has been generous.
The SK has been killing only RYMers, simple and plain.
Could he be a RYMer? JJJ feelin' it. He tried to kill me callin' it.

Hey Floyd baby you have me money on being scummy(Modified from O'DB)

[Epignosis]

Who are your top suspects Choutas?

Do you want me to drop a bomb? OK here it goes.
1,2,3
You ask me who's the scummiest and murderous
Who tried to kill whom? Who was supposed to be slain.
Y'all had it all before you, game has been generous.
The SK has been killing only RYMers, simple and plain.
Could he be a RYMer? JJJ feelin' it. He tried to kill me callin' it.

Hey Floyd baby you have me money on being scummy(Modified from O'DB)

Do you speak English?

[Marmot]

Russtifinko

Here are some stats. Psycho Killer and mafia combined have killed 5 players. MovingPictures has killed 4 players.

[Choutas]

Who are your top suspects Choutas?

Do you want me to drop a bomb? OK here it goes.
1,2,3
You ask me who's the scummiest and murderous
Who tried to kill whom? Who was supposed to be slain.
Y'all had it all before you, game has been generous.
The SK has been killing only RYMers, simple and plain.
Could he be a RYMer? JJJ feelin' it. He tried to kill me callin' it.

Hey Floyd baby you have me money on being scummy(Modified from O'DB)

Do you speak English?

Barely

[Marmot]

Thanks, J. Whenever you get back, assuming these were the only five lynch candidates tomorrow, who would you pick? (or if you're strongly against all of them, let me know)

motel room
Metal Marsh
Epignosis
TheFloyd
Strawhenge

It's also possible you're the bad guy and you're turning the two-for-one special into a three-for-one (if motel room is town).

Unfortunately, my total whack out theories prevent my really good theories from getting any traction, cuz I guess peeps think I'm crazy haha. Remember, it wasn't until Ricochet and others started looking at Mac differently before he was lynched.

However, I will point out, earlier in the game I suspected Mac of being an LC teamie for their discussion on the Nothing but Flowers role, I even asked Mac if I was wrong and he simply said "Yes" (which I wasn't)

and

In an ISO of Black Rock, I suspected her and Long Con of being teamies because of her "I believe BC was in the lead" comment after I was curious who was in the lead, BC or LC, during the late Llama train Day 2.

So I get it right sometimes

I'm on your lynch list for my Dusk 0 vote.

Why didn't you vote for Jay on Day 7?

[Marmot]

Yes, I've had him marked as "anti-Mafia" since he was the 8th and final vote on Long Con during Day 2. Yes it's possible to bus teamies, but considering how important Long Con's role was, and considering Russ' vote was the essential nail in the coffin, I have a hard time seeing him as bad.

However, I have decided this day to straight scum huntin', so I will ISO Russ now!!

So ISO me now since I've been on your mafia lynch list for my Dusk 0 vote.

[Marmot]

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

He's too busy staring at the sun. He's so high he's off the poll.

Well it's guaranteed he wasn't roleblocked if his name's off the poll.

Doesn't rule him out as bad of course.

[Epignosis]

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

He's too busy staring at the sun. He's so high he's off the poll.

Well it's guaranteed he wasn't roleblocked if his name's off the poll.

Doesn't rule him out as bad of course.

WHO wasn't roleblocked?

[Marmot]

What up Choutas', why the sunglasses? Hard for you to see?

He's too busy staring at the sun. He's so high he's off the poll.

Well it's guaranteed he wasn't roleblocked if his name's off the poll.

Doesn't rule him out as bad of course.

WHO wasn't roleblocked?

There are three roleblockers in this game. Two of them are dead. The other one picks two players, and removes one from the poll while roleblocking the other. So Choutas could not possibly have been roleblocked, whatever his power might be. This might have nothing to do with the same player surviving both nightkills, but it's true nonetheless.

[Epignosis]

Voting MetalMarsh89.

[Marmot]

Voting MetalMarsh89.

Explain.

[Epignosis]

Voting MetalMarsh89.

Explain.

I'm just waiting on you to fall asleep after everyone piles on.

[Marmot]

Also, I hate you.

[Epignosis]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

[Marmot]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

Funny, because I thought Mac was onto something about you.

[Russtifinko]

To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

Nah you should quote it cos I don't like you dropping into the thread after no content and trying to drum up shit without context.

I'm not sure how I can further explain it. I think JJJ may be town and made the same mistaken judgement on mac as I did. I'm not confident enough to fight his lynch and can see benefit from him as a lynch contender being removed from further chatter. He has even said the same thing himself. Why is me thinking this so suspicious to you, specifically?

I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Fine. Found it. Not sure why you felt the need to have me do that. (It's near the top of page 9 of his post history, btw.)

This response is terrible imo. You're really debating the point that Mac expressed a willingness to vote Sorsha even if she was civ? It's right there in the thread! And then you say I'm "trying to drum up shit" when, again, Mac's point was well documented as a major point of suspicion that Day.

Finally, you double down on your "JJJ is civ, but we should still lynch him anyway" idea. It's this simple: lynching civs is NOT worth it. We're losing! Someone (Rico?) said we have 4 days to get at least one baddie, or game over. Wasting one of those days lynching someone you think is good should be repulsive to you. At least Mac made up some bullshit about wanting info! You don't even say we'd get anything out of JJJ being lynched. You want someone you say is civvie to die so that we can stop discussing him as a potential lynch candidate??? The POINT of the game is to discuss people as potential lynch candidates!

I am overreacting, or is this the least civ mindset all game? I'm down to vote motel room again, with Matt this time. I'm more sure about him than JJJ.

[Epignosis]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

Funny, because I thought Mac was onto something about you.

That's good. Keep going with that.

You have a fluidity about your posts. "I'm voting seaside, but going to 3J if it doesn't work out." Bobbing and weaving. Going with the current. Now you're voting Russ. You don't sound bad. You sound cereal. Like Frosted Flakes.

[Russtifinko]

Miscellaneous thingsL

What's with this Roxy-splints-BR triangle all getting modkilled in one night? Spooky stuff.

I agree! I thought of them as a triumvirate too. RIP Roxy and fingers.

Yeah no thats what I mean:
So back to this other thing, if seaside was isolating those three players (jjj, diiny, espers) because of voting shenanigans he saw, on Day 4, that actually would indicate they were more likely to be town? - threw in a comma

But yeah, aside from the Day being clarified, am I correct or misunderstanding?

This is actually a good point though. seaside was on these three starting in D4, and Drugs couldn't have been used until N4. So any lynch manipulation he saw would've been town.

The problem is, he would have known all this. So why not call these three out as civs, if that was why he was doing this?

Unfortunately, my total whack out theories prevent my really good theories from getting any traction, cuz I guess peeps think I'm crazy haha. Remember, it wasn't until Ricochet and others started looking at Mac differently before he was lynched.

However, I will point out, earlier in the game I suspected Mac of being an LC teamie for their discussion on the Nothing but Flowers role, I even asked Mac if I was wrong and he simply said "Yes" (which I wasn't)

and

In an ISO of Black Rock, I suspected her and Long Con of being teamies because of her "I believe BC was in the lead" comment after I was curious who was in the lead, BC or LC, during the late Llama train Day 2.

So I get it right sometimes

This totally happened to me. You are slowly winning me back to thinking you're sane, though. Slowly.

[Marmot]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

You're an intelligent man Epignosis. A civilian was lynched yesterday; why would you vote for someone you think to be the serial killer today?

Or is that your real plan?

[motel room]

, and I have nothing to hide..

I love it when someone feels they need to say this.

[Marmot]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

Funny, because I thought Mac was onto something about you.

That's good. Keep going with that.

You have a fluidity about your posts. "I'm voting seaside, but going to 3J if it doesn't work out." Bobbing and weaving. Going with the current. Now you're voting Russ. You don't sound bad. You sound cereal. Like Frosted Flakes.

I thought seaside was a possible mafia member. If you'll recall, I read through his posts and brought him up for discussion yesterday.

Why does moving my vote from one player to another make me a serial killer? If I am a serial killer, I would want everyone dead. Why would I back out on the opportunity to lynch Jay if I am a serial killer, whether he is town or mafia?

[Epignosis]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

You're an intelligent man Epignosis. A civilian was lynched yesterday; why would you vote for someone you think to be the serial killer today?

Or is that your real plan?

A body has to go some time.

I have Mafia suspects, but all this time, I've been keeping an eye on serial killer prospects. You fit that portrait.

[Marmot]

Oh really?

No. I think MacDougall is a co-conspirator with Long Con. I don't think serial killers can be caught in the first half of a game outside of luck, so I don't bother hunting them until Mafia are eliminated.

Are you sure you're not the PSK?

[Strawhenge]

Hey guys. Kill Metalmarsh89.

[Strawhenge]

He's either Life During Wartime or Psycho Killer. Vote him immediately.

[Epignosis]

Oh really?

No. I think MacDougall is a co-conspirator with Long Con. I don't think serial killers can be caught in the first half of a game outside of luck, so I don't bother hunting them until Mafia are eliminated.

Are you sure you're not the PSK?

Second half. Second half.

[Marmot]

He's either Life During Wartime or Psycho Killer. Vote him immediately.

Explain please.

[Strawhenge]

Oh, I'm just more sure of it than ever.

[Marmot]

Oh really?

No. I think MacDougall is a co-conspirator with Long Con. I don't think serial killers can be caught in the first half of a game outside of luck, so I don't bother hunting them until Mafia are eliminated.

Are you sure you're not the PSK?

Second half. Second half.

Mafia isn't eliminated.

Linki: that's fantastic Strawhenge. Why?

[Russtifinko]

"Tunnelly?"

Name the last time I voted you.

Name the last time I questioned you.

Name the last time I went after you.

You're about to all three wishes.

Never said you've been going after me (although you have lightly, on and off).

tunnelly (tə' nə lē) : lacking a sufficiently broad focus; being so set in an outdated mindset as to preclude assimilation of new information

You're on me because I said "deliberately" on Day 1. Which by the way is a NO U, since it was in response to me going after you that Day. You seem very concerned with the word-mincing.

Linki: Hmmm, how surprising the motel room suddenly agrees with Epi and MM that I look bad, now that my suspicion of him is gaining traction. Oh, wait, check that, it's not.

Double Linki: Strawhenge, what? Haha, you can't just hop into the thread, tell us to vote someone, and reasonably expect us to follow without giving us a reason why. What is going on with people? Is your reason "info dumping"? Because Choutas tried that yesterday, and it was a major factor in a civ being lynched.

[Strawhenge]

If I answer the question about 'info dumping,' is that info dumping?

[motel room]

To be more precise: esplain the part where you think JJJ will flip town, but you're happy to remove the doubt by lynching him. I recall Mac saying something very similar, I think about Sorsha. (Would quote, but have you seen that dude's post history?)

Nah you should quote it cos I don't like you dropping into the thread after no content and trying to drum up shit without context.

I'm not sure how I can further explain it. I think JJJ may be town and made the same mistaken judgement on mac as I did. I'm not confident enough to fight his lynch and can see benefit from him as a lynch contender being removed from further chatter. He has even said the same thing himself. Why is me thinking this so suspicious to you, specifically?

I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Fine. Found it. Not sure why you felt the need to have me do that. (It's near the top of page 9 of his post history, btw.)

This response is terrible imo. You're really debating the point that Mac expressed a willingness to vote Sorsha even if she was civ? It's right there in the thread! And then you say I'm "trying to drum up shit" when, again, Mac's point was well documented as a major point of suspicion that Day.

Finally, you double down on your "JJJ is civ, but we should still lynch him anyway" idea. It's this simple: lynching civs is NOT worth it. We're losing! Someone (Rico?) said we have 4 days to get at least one baddie, or game over. Wasting one of those days lynching someone you think is good should be repulsive to you. At least Mac made up some bullshit about wanting info! You don't even say we'd get anything out of JJJ being lynched. You want someone you say is civvie to die so that we can stop discussing him as a potential lynch candidate??? The POINT of the game is to discuss people as potential lynch candidates!

I am overreacting, or is this the least civ mindset all game? I'm down to vote motel room again, with Matt this time. I'm more sure about him than JJJ.

Great. Yes I knew what you were referring to, what I objected to was you coming in out of nowhere and pretending to be certain about something. Going and actually doing it now seems like busywork but ok do you see the difference between what I'm suggesting and what Mac was suggesting? Mac thinks lynching Sorsha will leave behind all these clues he's super eager to get into, I'm suggesting lynching JJJ crosses him off the list the end. No more bickering about whether he's scum or town or what because look it's happening again today "JJJ should still be on the table for a lynch", "what do we think about JJJ?" over and over.

I'm not debating anything about Mac's Sorsha thing, not sure why you think that.

[Epignosis]

"Tunnelly?"

Name the last time I voted you.

Name the last time I questioned you.

Name the last time I went after you.

You're about to all three wishes.

Never said you've been going after me (although you have lightly, on and off).

tunnelly (tə' nə lē) : lacking a sufficiently broad focus; being so set in an outdated mindset as to preclude assimilation of new information

You're on me because I said "deliberately" on Day 1. Which by the way is a NO U, since it was in response to me going after you that Day. You seem very concerned with the word-mincing.

Linki: Hmmm, how surprising the motel room suddenly agrees with Epi and MM that I look bad, now that my suspicion of him is gaining traction. Oh, wait, check that, it's not.

Double Linki: Strawhenge, what? Haha, you can't just hop into the thread, tell us to vote someone, and reasonably expect us to follow without giving us a reason why. What is going on with people? Is your reason "info dumping"? Because Choutas tried that yesterday, and it was a major factor in a civ being lynched.

I don't give a shit about what is and isn't a NO U. And here you are misrepresenting again what I said. I didn't go after you because you said "deliberately." I went after you because you said "deliberately misinterpreted," when I didn't do that.

[Elohcin]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

Funny, because I thought Mac was onto something about you.

That's good. Keep going with that.

You have a fluidity about your posts. "I'm voting seaside, but going to 3J if it doesn't work out." Bobbing and weaving. Going with the current. Now you're voting Russ. You don't sound bad. You sound cereal. Like Frosted Flakes.

He may be bobbing and weaving, but I think you are as well. I don't get why you have all of a sudden backed away form JJJ. Can you explain?

[Marmot]

If I answer the question about 'info dumping,' is that info dumping?

If you want to accuse me, you must use evidence from the thread that everyone can see.

Whether you have information, fake-information, or what, you are not allowed to state or imply the existance of it. I'm not saying this because I believe it would be incriminating. I'm saying it because those are the rules.

[Strawhenge]

Okay.

Reasons to lynch Metalmarsh89:

1. Noncommittal posting nature through most of the thread.

2. Gets committal mostly in posts relating to himself, which is classic anti-town self-preservation behavior.

[Epignosis]

Also, I hate you.

I think you're the SK though.

Funny, because I thought Mac was onto something about you.

That's good. Keep going with that.

You have a fluidity about your posts. "I'm voting seaside, but going to 3J if it doesn't work out." Bobbing and weaving. Going with the current. Now you're voting Russ. You don't sound bad. You sound cereal. Like Frosted Flakes.

He may be bobbing and weaving, but I think you are as well. I don't get why you have all of a sudden backed away form JJJ. Can you explain?

I'm not trying to dodge anything.

I backed away from 3J because he's actually giving a shit about things, and if he's really civilian, then that's a huge ally gone. He's doing more than searching his own name and asking for laughs, I mean.

And I said this earlier:

If I had two lynches as of this moment, they'd go to 3J and Russ.

which indicates I could completely lynch 3J, but I'm not sure.