[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[sig]

Russ why did you vote for motel room day 8?

Radical Fuzz could you give me some more reasoning for your wilgy vote? Besides him who else would you be willing to lynch today?

[Matt]

By all means, Matt, lynch me now and throw the game because there's more tinfoil coming from your head than sound ideas.

In case you missed it, Epignosis...

Can I point out that there is a player out there with this scum role.

"(Nothing But) Flowers – Can't get used to the lifestyle brought about by the new players. Its vote is worth x3 against players from the opposite forum. It cannot be harmed by night powers used by players from the same forum. If it carries out the kill, it cannot kill players from the same forum."

I would assume that the votes are going to magically appear at the end of the lynch (mod feel free to clarify). So who we think we are lynching may not end up being that person. If we can largely agree on a lynch candidate it's probably a good idea to ensure that everyone else is far enough back from them to not be able to change the lynch. I would also say it's unlikely the person is going to use this role so early unless we have a scum candidate because it'll just give us a pile of people to choose a lynch candidate from tomorrow. But if I were using this role, I'd make sure that I voted for someone on a vote that was full of townies so that the pile is diluted. I expect this will turn out to be a very dangerous role and I expect it will end up being a huge advantage to scum. Think about it, how are we going to lynch this person in particular unless they are so far ahead on the lynch tally that they can't protect themselves by voting on the second highest tally?

1. Best place to hide is in plain sight. The ones who are most aware of this role are the role and their teammates.

Many have stated they feel MacDougal is definitely civvie because of his interactions with Long Con, I think, but I quoted this from Devin's post because of what Devin put in yellow here.

Long Con, discussing his role with another player, says "Best place to hide is in plain sight. The ones who are most aware of this role are the role and their teammates." We know Long Con was speaking about his own role by talking about being in plain sight, but what pinged me was the fact that he was talking with MacDougall about this role, and says that line about teammates. Could Long Con have been talking about himself and MacDougal? That would certainly be interesting.

Black Rock/AceofSpaces/TinyBubbles - Day 1, Aces (who replaced a non-playing Bubbles) only posts twice, all of his posts in the game, and votes RussT based on something MacDougal said. I personally believe RussT is anti-mafia. Black Rock replaces Aces, refuses to vote Day 2 because she just replaced, though it's important to note Long Con was lynched this day, a Mafioso. Also, it's been awhile so correct me if I'm wrong, but Long Con and Black Rock are together, right? If Black Rock replaced in, is it possible she knew Long Con's role before she entered the game, and if that's the case, does that mean she had no choice but to replace a Mafioso? Of course, I'm willing to bet since these two have been playing for years, they probably don't reveal themselves to each other even if the other isn't playing, in case of replacement. Either way, my tangent here has nothing to do with her gameplay, so I'm not considering that. Hmmm. When I make mention that Llama has suddenly gotten four lynch votes in a row, and I mention that bcornett and Long Con were in the lead before this, BR lets me know that "bcornett was in the lead when I got here". Funny she's willing to help point me in that direction, yet refuses to vote in the lynch poll herself. Goes after civvie Elohcin for not reading the rules. Doesn't want to play JJJ's speed G2H game. Believes Floyd is a lost civvie, and looks to have gotten a punishment from Golden. Overall gut check - SCUM

And if you want, I can quote the multiple times I named Floyd scum, but the point is...

"Sound ideas" do come from my head

[Epignosis]

By all means, Matt, lynch me now and throw the game because there's more tinfoil coming from your head than sound ideas.

It's really not my fault that you couldn't simply say "Yeah Matt, that might be possible" instead of what you did.

Either way, I'd really like sig to answer my question regarding Russ and Diiny

And it's not my fault you can't understand subtlety and that you come up with nonsensical ideas and pursue them when...they're nonsensical.

You actually just said earlier that I could be a Mafia recruiter who recruited my wife because she's the perfect recruit.

I want you to think about that idea for a moment.

I'm a recruiter...in a game where no mention of a recruiter is made...and I bring up the idea of a secret recruiter being in the game (not meaning that there is- my post in doing so was to ridicule my wife for starting to mistrust me and in passing comment on the game-breaking nature of secret recruiters). That's a superb strategy for a recruiter in game where no mention is made of one in the roles list.

In summary, I raise a possibility that I don't believe is the case to make fun of someone's sudden shift in opinion and comment on mechanics I've seen elsewhere, only to have you imagine the idea that I'm a recruiter who recruited Elohcin and went public about it.

Like, dude, come on.

[Matt]

I see your point, but I don't get why you had to brush off my questioning about recruitment when you YOURSELF say "Yeah it's possible."

What do you think of sig's response about Russ and Diiny being "civ" and his "typo" ?

[Ricochet]

[Epignosis]

I see your point, but I don't get why you had to brush off my questioning about recruitment when you YOURSELF say "Yeah it's possible."

What do you think of sig's response about Russ and Diiny being "civ" and his "typo" ?

It's also possible there's fifteen secret roles all named Santa Claus that will be revealed Day 10 and WHAT COULD IT MEAN.

Yes, a recruiter is possible. Saying something is possible isn't really saying anything (and I wasn't saying anything other than 1) Poking fun at someone, and 2) Commenting on why I don't like secret recruiters in general.

[Epignosis]

)

[Matt]

I see your point, but I don't get why you had to brush off my questioning about recruitment when you YOURSELF say "Yeah it's possible."

What do you think of sig's response about Russ and Diiny being "civ" and his "typo" ?

It's also possible there's fifteen secret roles all named Santa Claus that will be revealed Day 10 and WHAT COULD IT MEAN.

Yes, a recruiter is possible. Saying something is possible isn't really saying anything (and I wasn't saying anything other than 1) Poking fun at someone, and 2) Commenting on why I don't like secret recruiters in general.

I think it's definitely more possible that there's a recruiter in this game then fifteen secret roles all named Santa Claus...it feels like you're still trying to push against the recruitment idea.

Taking yourself out of the equation, and for this exercise I will pretend that you are absolute civvie...

Would you agree that Elohcin would be a top tier candidate for recruitment if a recruiter exists?

Anywho, I'd really like to wait for the hosts to answer my question before continuing down this line...

To everyone else (including Rico who's facepalming) - What do you think of sig's "typo" regarding calling Russ and Diiny civs?

[Epignosis]

*sigh*

I would not take Elohcin if I were a recruiter.







OMG WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

[Matt]

*sigh*

I would not take Elohcin if I were a recruiter.







OMG WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

Again, that exercise was assuming you were civvie. I asked if you thought she would be a top tier candidate for recruitment.

Am I really not making myself clear when I ask these questions???

[Epignosis]

*sigh*

I would not take Elohcin if I were a recruiter.







OMG WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

Again, that exercise was assuming you were civvie. I asked if you thought she would be a top tier candidate for recruitment.

Am I really not making myself clear when I ask these questions???

The implication in my statement "I would not take Elohcin if I were a recruiter" is that I do not think she's ideal.

I don't understand why you are asking these questions to begin with.

[Ricochet]

To everyone else (including Rico who's facepalming) - What do you think of sig's "typo" regarding calling Russ and Diiny civs?

He wrote civ and meant leaning (or slight) civ. It still means he read them civ to me. It will be up for scrutiny, either way, in case he flips bad.

[Matt]

I'm asking because even if you were just playing around with her, the idea of a recruiter hadn't entered my mind until you mentioned it. Then I recalled MacD asking me why the Mafia hadn't killed her yet if she was "obv town".

Anyway, like I said before, let's wait for the hosts to answer before we go down that road.

[Matt]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

[Epignosis]

I'm asking because even if you were just playing around with her, the idea of a recruiter hadn't entered my mind until you mentioned it. Then I recalled MacD asking me why the Mafia hadn't killed her yet if she was "obv town".

Anyway, like I said before, let's wait for the hosts to answer before we go down that road.

Well, I'm not going down that road.

You don't start speculating about secret recruits until Mafia is dead, Psycho Killer is dead, and the game isn't done.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So anyway, Matt -- talk to me about Fuzz. You've not mentioned him yet today other than to ask me about my vote unless I missed something.

[Matt]

I'm asking because even if you were just playing around with her, the idea of a recruiter hadn't entered my mind until you mentioned it. Then I recalled MacD asking me why the Mafia hadn't killed her yet if she was "obv town".

Anyway, like I said before, let's wait for the hosts to answer before we go down that road.

Well, I'm not going down that road.

You don't start speculating about secret recruits until Mafia is dead, Psycho Killer is dead, and the game isn't done.

That's cool. I might go down that road depending how the hosts answer. We'll see.

Linki - I also G2H read him "good" at the request of MetalMarsh. Nothing really stands out to me.

If the laughter is towards me, I would encourage you read the post where I told Epig I do have "sound ideas".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's cool. I might go down that road depending how the hosts answer. We'll see.

Linki - I also G2H read him "good" at the request of MetalMarsh. Nothing really stands out to me.

If the laughter is towards me, I would encourage you read the post where I told Epig I do have "sound ideas".

I'm not laughing at you mate. I'm just laughing at the conversation and Epi's clear annoyance.

I know you've done good things in this game if you're a townie. Heck, same if you aren't. Do you have any thoughts on the cases for a Fuzz lynch that both MM and I have built?

[Matt]

That's cool. I might go down that road depending how the hosts answer. We'll see.

Linki - I also G2H read him "good" at the request of MetalMarsh. Nothing really stands out to me.

If the laughter is towards me, I would encourage you read the post where I told Epig I do have "sound ideas".

I'm not laughing at you mate. I'm just laughing at the conversation and Epi's clear annoyance.

I know you've done good things in this game if you're a townie. Heck, same if you aren't. Do you have any thoughts on the cases for a Fuzz lynch that both MM and I have built?

Just FYI, even if you were, I wasn't offended. This game is freakin' awesome!!!

I read both of your cases, but let me reread. I've been tunneling poor maybe civvie Elohcin for the last few posts.

[Elohcin]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

[motel room]

Morning all, I have some upcatch to perform.

[Matt]

Regarding your case on Fuzz regarding Floyd...

Many players, whether they found him civvie or scum, elected not to look that way because of his noobness, so I don't see this being against Fuzz in any way.

Tbh, I'm more concerned with motel room getting Floyd to slip about PMs yet not pursuing it, and Floyd's "rivals" comment...in effect that should absolutely clear Strawhenge, but I can't help but wonder if that was a purposely orchestrated slip.

Anyway, let me read your "Fuzz interactions with LC, BR, and MacD" post...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

What do you call a frozen burrito?

A BURR-ito.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Many players, whether they found him civvie or scum, elected not to look that way because of his noobness, so I don't see this being against Fuzz in any way.

The reason I found it questionable what that Fuzz did look at Floyd's "thread text" slip as a slip. He called it a slip himself -- but not until 2 day phases after it happened. That's a long delay considering the slip occurred when Floyd was talking to Fuzz.

[Epignosis]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

She's heard all mine.

[Marmot]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

What's the best cure for waking up sick?

Cough-ee

[Ricochet]

*that moment when jokes are being told and your brain is completely empty*

every freakin time

[Epignosis]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

[Matt]

3J, in regards to Fuzz interactions with the rest of those Mafioso...

Interesting Long Con did pick reywas/Fuzz on Dusk 0. Long Con would later make a post in the game saying he would find anyone suspicious that continues to look at Dusk 0. Was he being genuine, did he know there was nothing to it? Or was he trying to scare people away from looking at his (and other Mafias) Dusk 0 votes?

I don't think he was giving Mac crap about "upping his town game." It reads to me like Fuzz was telling Mac "then you're my top suspect" so Mac would actually involve himself besides just making jokes and whatnot.

Fuzz seems to be one of the only players who called my theory on Mac being the SK "logical"...I honestly don't know how to feel about that.

I don't like how Fuzz said Mac's reaction to my theory "looks good", considering I (and several other players, If I'm remembering correctly) actually thought he looked worse following his reaction.

Weird how Fuzz claims he can't trust you anymore, 3J, since it seemed before he didn't trust you anyway. Didn't he ask Mac to vote you with him?

Mac I see what you're putting down. Don't know what it means, but I see it.

I'd like Fuzz to explain what this means. What did you see Mac "putting down", Fuzz?

Again, most players (if I'm remembering correctly) felt the opposite of Fuzz, feeling that Mac's reaction to my theory made him look worse, not better.

Does insist that Mac may not be scum based on the amount of people voting for him.

3J - You say you have a lot of experience with Mac. If MacD is baddie in games, does he often vote for his teammates Day 1? Because as you pointed out, he voted reywas/Fuzz Day 1

I'd like to know why Fuzz votes Wilgy three days in a row. Fuzz - If I recall, Wilgy mentioned your name when discussing his plan regarding me, Mac, and Floyd. I have Wilgy as "good" solely for this reason. Why do you distrust him so much?



This makes him look worse then his interactions with Floyd, IMO.

I'd like him to answer my Wilgy question, and 3J, I'd like you to answer my Mac question.

[motel room]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

A guy walks into a bar.. well he's more of a dog but its a male dog, definitely a male dog cos its important to the joke here.. so a dog walks into a bar.. its just kind of any bar I guess and the bartender says "nice hat" to the dog cos oh yeah the dog's wearing a hat see.. like one of those propeller cap hats haha well actually it doesnt matter what kind of hat anyway so the bartender says "nice hat" and the dog mishears it as "nice cat" and no wait thats the punchline no so the dog replies..

[Marmot]

That's why I made one (bad one) up instead of racking my brain. :P

Linki: this post was to Ricochet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J - You say you have a lot of experience with Mac. If MacD is baddie in games, does he often vote for his teammates Day 1? Because as you pointed out, he voted reywas/Fuzz Day 1

That's a pretty specific question that I wouldn't be able to answer with conviction without doing some research. I'll at least look at a couple games and see what I turn up, but I doubt it'll influence my mindset much. I absolutely think Mac is capable of voting for his team mate on Day 1 when it's not likely to amount to a lynch anyway.

[Ricochet]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

How did Italian biodiesel work back in the day?

Mussolini made the trains run on thyme.

[Choutas]

Can someone give me the rundown of the arguments against RadicalFuzz?

Weird isn't Roxy dead? Why is she included in the poll mods? Also Bcornet has posted anything the last 2 days. Is he gonna get modkilled?

[Ricochet]

Can someone give me the rundown of the arguments against RadicalFuzz?

Weird isn't Roxy dead? Why is she included in the poll mods? Also Bcornet has posted anything the last 2 days. Is he gonna get modkilled?

Limit is 72 hours.

[Marmot]

Can someone give me the rundown of the arguments against RadicalFuzz?

Weird isn't Roxy dead? Why is she included in the poll mods? Also Bcornet has posted anything the last 2 days. Is he gonna get modkilled?

Roxh should be dead, yes.

And bcornett still has another 22 hours left on his meter.

[Marmot]

Can someone give me the rundown of the arguments against RadicalFuzz?

Jay's ISO of RadicalFuzz's interactions with Floyd.

Jay's ISO of RadicalFuzz's interactions with other baddies. Really only MacDougall though.

My ISO on his interactions with MacDougall. I mad this one in response to Jay's ISO on the RadicalFuzz/Floyd stuff.

[Marmot]

EWBOP: I *made this one...

[Elohcin]

*that moment when jokes are being told and your brain is completely empty*

every freakin time

You are no the internet, are you not?

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

Spoiler: show

The second one isn't a vote to be fair, but it might as well be a vote. Mac's done it plenty of times.

[Marmot]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?

Pics or it didn't happen.









































I'll just go ahead and disappear now.

[Marmot]

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

Spoiler: show

The second one isn't a vote to be fair, but it might as well be a vote. Mac's done it plenty of times.

It's also been around 2 years or so since the most recent example.

But the evidence is still there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's also been around 2 years or so since the most recent example.

But the evidence is still there.

There are probably more recent examples. I stopped looking once it was clear he's capable of doing it.

[Ricochet]

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

But...he didn't vote for any teammates in this game.

[Elohcin]

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

But...he didn't vote for any teammates in this game.

How do you know?

[Ricochet]

Okay, Matt F. You asked me if Mac has a tendency to vote for his mafia team mates on Day 1. I did some research into the RYM Mafia archives and didn't struggle at all to find valid examples:

But...he didn't vote for any teammates in this game.

How do you know?

Uhm...his vote record?

O wait...

I think I get it now.

derp

[Elohcin]

He voted for Diiny twice and Dinny is still alive.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MFW Rico makes 500 posts and then scumslips

[Marmot]

He voted for Diiny twice and Dinny is still alive.

@ Ricochet. And he voted for reywas/RadicalFuzz on Day 1. That was the point of Matt's question.