[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

[Matt]

So, in theory, if RF flips mafia, you won't feel worse about me? How?

How is this not self-explanatory?

If your "slip" was really a slip, then that would imply you know that Mac never voted for one of his team mates on Day 1. Mac voted for reywaS/RadicalFuzz on Day 1. If you're mafia and that's a slip, then Fuzz can't be mafia.

This entire thought process is not important to me though because I don't think it was a slip.

I'm undecided. Why don't you think it was a slip?

[Ricochet]

Well, you probably should have keep the poke on a little longer, in case any mafia would have latched on to it.

Unless it's Matt.

but for reals now g'night

[Matt]

For the record, I understood JJJ's vote and I still agree with it. I don't think Rico slipped either. I think getting RF will clear his name And even if RF is civ, that doesn't mean Rico is bad.

So you, as well as 3J, no longer think he slipped, despite claiming you both thought he did.

If RF flips mafia, this clears Rico.

If RF flips civvvie, this doesn't mean Rico is bad.



G2H Mafia

Epignosis
3J
Ricochet

Recruit - Elohcin

Linki - Why Rico? I could be bad. I could be the baddiest bad in this thread. :P

[Marmot]

It wouldn't be the first time Rico derped today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm undecided. Why don't you think it was a slip?

Rico has been entrenched in ISO hell for numerous day phases, and the focus has been interactivity between players with the confirmed dead mafia. I don't struggle to believe that he misinterpreted our conversation with that in mind.

I've said all game long that I don't believe in scumslips. Yeah, they do happen but not nearly as often as they're accused of happening. New players are vulnerable, experienced players really aren't barring a major once-in-a-blue-moon goof (perhaps like MM's example of Golden). You may recall earlier in the game when Strawhenge wondered aloud whether I scumslipped by knowing how many mafia members were still alive.

My response was pretty much the same.

[Marmot]

I know he'll probably vote for me, but I'd like to hear from Strawhenge at some point.

And Brian, and RadicalFuzz, and Russtifinko's new girlfriend.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, you probably should have keep the poke on a little longer, in case any mafia would have latched on to it.

I considered it, but I was worried the wrong people would take me seriously and it'd get blown out of proportion.

It almost did anyway. :P

[Matt]

I know he'll probably vote for me, but I'd like to hear from Strawhenge at some point.

And Brian, and RadicalFuzz, and Russtifinko's new girlfriend.

For realz, though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So you, as well as 3J, no longer think he slipped, despite claiming you both thought he did.

Regarding me at least: exactly right.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So you, as well as 3J, no longer think he slipped, despite claiming you both thought he did.

Regarding me at least: exactly right.

Actually, it isn't "no longer" thought he slipped. It's "never" thought he slipped.

[Elohcin]

For the record, I understood JJJ's vote and I still agree with it. I don't think Rico slipped either. I think getting RF will clear his name And even if RF is civ, that doesn't mean Rico is bad.

So you, as well as 3J, no longer think he slipped, despite claiming you both thought he did.

If RF flips mafia, this clears Rico.

If RF flips civvvie, this doesn't mean Rico is bad.



G2H Mafia

Epignosis
3J
Ricochet

Recruit - Elohcin

Linki - Why Rico? I could be bad. I could be the baddiest bad in this thread. :P

I guess I should have used sarcastic orange in my first response. I am no recruit.

[Matt]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

Why are you lining up names to be lynched in succession?

[DrWilgy]

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Our sex life.

Would you like me to prove you wrong?[/quote]
*Wilgy's expression doesn't change as he slowly and subtly readies his camera*

Good morn... Er... Evening everyone. My nap has concluded. Choutas plz address the questions I had asked you.

As much as I am always for a healthy Fuzz lynch, I'm going to politely ask everyone to not do that today. He is still out of town, and most likely hasn't read the thread in 3 or so days.

Chou plz..

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As much as I am always for a healthy Fuzz lynch, I'm going to politely ask everyone to not do that today. He is still out of town, and most likely hasn't read the thread in 3 or so days.

I'm not going to let a suspect live just because he's not here. I need to be shown that my case is flawed or that my mindset is flawed or I'm going to continue endorsing his lynch.

[Marmot]

RadicalFuzz should be around tonight or tomorrow according to this post made Thursday morning.

What's with this Roxy-splints-BR triangle all getting modkilled in one night? Spooky stuff.

I'm going to be out of town for roughly 3 & 1/2 days. I can post a little bit from my phone, but I won't be able to check the thread very often. I'll make a post when I get back and then start catching up from this post on page 137.

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But you're not exactly wrong DrWilgy.

[DrWilgy]

He got stuck here an extra day due to bad weather.

[Matt]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

Why are you lining up names to be lynched in succession?

I still think you're Mafia.

And yeah, good call Wilgy. Lynching someone who can't defend - that's real town behavior.

[Marmot]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

Why are you lining up names to be lynched in succession?

I still think you're Mafia.

And yeah, good call Wilgy. Lynching someone who can't defend - that's real town behavior.

We've lynched Epignosis once before when he couldn't properly defend himself.

He flipped mafia.

[Matt]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

Why are you lining up names to be lynched in succession?

I still think you're Mafia.

And yeah, good call Wilgy. Lynching someone who can't defend - that's real town behavior.

We've lynched Epignosis once before when he couldn't properly defend himself.

He flipped mafia.

That's pretty cool.

You want to help me lynch Epig while he can defend?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still think you're Mafia.

Is there anyone that you don't think is mafia?

And yeah, good call Wilgy. Lynching someone who can't defend - that's real town behavior.

You bet your sweet buns it is. I remember Game #2 from the champs tournament when the town (including me) was faced with this situation. A few of us had agreed upon one player being the most suspicious based on the content of the thread, but he hadn't posted in a few days due to weather problems and losing power.

Some people wanted to keep him alive so he could defend himself and lynch someone else.

That could have lost us the game. He was mafia and we lynched him before he ever returned to end it.

[Matt]

Dude, there are plenty I've named who I don't think are Mafia.

Elohcin all game (until Epig brought up recruitment)
Roxy
Russ as anti-Mafia, but now I believe he's civvie
bcornett as anti-Mafia

[Matt]

Oh and also, Dr Wilgy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Elohcin all game (until Epig brought up recruitment)

Exactly.

You've been incredibly reactionary. The people you just listed as non-mafia reads could become your top suspects five minutes from now for all I know. The moment you get the slightest whiff of anything you consider questionable, you're dropping votes and calling for lynches.

[Marmot]

I'll do a rainbow list. Sounds fun.

Elohcin
Strawhenge
Choutas
Bullzeye
bcornett24
Diiny
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
motel room
Ricochet
Matt F
Epignosis
sig
Russtifinko
RadicalFuzz

[Diiny]

What happened to the super defensive Rico I saw when I voted him earlier??

Also hi. Matt F, do you think J's ISO of RadFuz is disingenuous, or do you just disagree? Either way, tell me why that's the case, or link my stupid ass to you elaborating if you've done so already and I've missed it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bullzeye

Most interesting bit to me. What makes you feel good? I wanna feel good.

[Diiny]

..and yet [the brian wagon] suddenly feels like the birdswagon. This gives me pause.

This.

This post has been in my mind since Mac flipped scum. Also where the fuck is bribri

[Diiny]

Bullzeye

Most interesting bit to me. What makes you feel good? I wanna feel good.

I also need something to counteract those goddamn celebration posts that are giving me serious emotional difficulty

[Marmot]

Bullzeye

Most interesting bit to me. What makes you feel good? I wanna feel good.

All vibes. My read also hasn't changed on him for a couple days, so there's that.

[Matt]

Elohcin all game (until Epig brought up recruitment)

Exactly.

You've been incredibly reactionary. The people you just listed as non-mafia reads could become your top suspects five minutes from now for all I know. The moment you get the slightest whiff of anything you consider questionable, you're dropping votes and calling for lynches.

Elohcin is a special case. Epig asked her about recruitment, I happened to remember MacD asking why the Mafia hasn't killed her yet (and ummm he was Mafia so he already knew the answer to that question).

bcornett I can't see being Mafia. Will not turn on him.

Russ I can't see being mafia. But then, as I said, if the role I believe he hinted at shows up dead, I will absolutely turn my sights on him.

After our stoopid fight, I was incredibly convinced Roxy was good (and I was correct!)

Dr Wilgy, I could turn on, you're right about that. But considering he trusted me enough to do what he did, I don't think so. I think he sincerely had a plan what he did, but unfortunately, MP wouldn't allow whatever the good doctor wanted to do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I also need something to counteract those goddamn celebration posts that are giving me serious emotional difficulty

I think you share this Mafia tick with MrMungbean. Nobody is more consistently unnerved by "good result!!!" than him. I'll agree that it makes my eyeball tweak, but I never like working with that kind of "case".

[Russtifinko]

Oooh, good job on Floyd! And yay bonus day!

I will be quickly looking over Russ again, what is the case against him since he has been a candidate for lynches and I can't seem to recall what the suscpioun is based on.

So this is a super good point. As far I know (and I admit I have skipped 2-3 pages at this point due my early night yesterday and stuff going on today), there isn't even anything resembling a case against me. The closest we've come is Matt F rereading me, and he came out feeling positive. And somehow, despite that, I got 3 votes yesterday, putting me in the realm of possible lynchdom. MM voted me without listing any reason whatsoever, he just bolds my name. motel room is NO Uing me, and his is the BEST vote I got. I have no clue whatsoever where Bullzeye's vote came from. It's really not sporting. If you actually suspect me and want me lynched, the burden should be on you to bring some type of evidence, however weak, against me. If you're not gonna do that, get off my lawn and go after actual baddies.

Russ why did you vote for motel room day 8?

Radical Fuzz could you give me some more reasoning for your wilgy vote? Besides him who else would you be willing to lynch today?

I voted for motel room because at the end of Day 6, he said it would be ok to lynch JJJ, who he thought was civvie, so we could stop talking about JJJ. The antithesis of pro-civ behavior. People have basically ignored my point, and when I asked the thread for reactions and to tell me if they thought I was off base and stand down, I didn't get a single response. It's actually very frustrating at this point. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHETHER YOU BELIEVE MY MOTEL ROOM CASE HAS ANY MERIT AND WHY.

This is going to be a strange request...

Can everyone tell Elohcin a joke this day phase? Thanks!

Why did the chicken cross the road in 1768?

...To get away from Colonial Sanders!

RadicalFuzz should be around tonight or tomorrow according to this post made Thursday morning.

What's with this Roxy-splints-BR triangle all getting modkilled in one night? Spooky stuff.

I'm going to be out of town for roughly 3 & 1/2 days. I can post a little bit from my phone, but I won't be able to check the thread very often. I'll make a post when I get back and then start catching up from this post on page 137.

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But you're not exactly wrong DrWilgy.

I'm not into lynching people who are gone, whatever JJJ thinks about it. It's one thing in lylo, but we still have 4 anti-civs alive and plenty to go on.

Pretty sure all this will get me is a reciprocating vote, but he needs the attention. motel room

Linki: To reiterate, Matt, I did not and will not hint at any role during this game or any other. So as happy as I am to have you think I'm civ, you should absolutely not base any read of me at all on perceived hints. Syndicateers can vouch that I wouldn't hint, so you should probably reassess.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oooh, good job on Floyd! And yay bonus day!

[Matt]

What happened to the super defensive Rico I saw when I voted him earlier??

Also hi. Matt F, do you think J's ISO of RadFuz is disingenuous, or do you just disagree? Either way, tell me why that's the case, or link my stupid ass to you elaborating if you've done so already and I've missed it.

I believe he's Mafia, but in case he's not, I took his case at face value and here is my response...

Regarding your case on Fuzz regarding Floyd...

Many players, whether they found him civvie or scum, elected not to look that way because of his noobness, so I don't see this being against Fuzz in any way.

Tbh, I'm more concerned with motel room getting Floyd to slip about PMs yet not pursuing it, and Floyd's "rivals" comment...in effect that should absolutely clear Strawhenge, but I can't help but wonder if that was a purposely orchestrated slip.

Anyway, let me read your "Fuzz interactions with LC, BR, and MacD" post...

3J, in regards to Fuzz interactions with the rest of those Mafioso...

Interesting Long Con did pick reywas/Fuzz on Dusk 0. Long Con would later make a post in the game saying he would find anyone suspicious that continues to look at Dusk 0. Was he being genuine, did he know there was nothing to it? Or was he trying to scare people away from looking at his (and other Mafias) Dusk 0 votes?

I don't think he was giving Mac crap about "upping his town game." It reads to me like Fuzz was telling Mac "then you're my top suspect" so Mac would actually involve himself besides just making jokes and whatnot.

Fuzz seems to be one of the only players who called my theory on Mac being the SK "logical"...I honestly don't know how to feel about that.

I don't like how Fuzz said Mac's reaction to my theory "looks good", considering I (and several other players, If I'm remembering correctly) actually thought he looked worse following his reaction.

Weird how Fuzz claims he can't trust you anymore, 3J, since it seemed before he didn't trust you anyway. Didn't he ask Mac to vote you with him?

Mac I see what you're putting down. Don't know what it means, but I see it.

I'd like Fuzz to explain what this means. What did you see Mac "putting down", Fuzz?

Again, most players (if I'm remembering correctly) felt the opposite of Fuzz, feeling that Mac's reaction to my theory made him look worse, not better.

Does insist that Mac may not be scum based on the amount of people voting for him.

3J - You say you have a lot of experience with Mac. If MacD is baddie in games, does he often vote for his teammates Day 1? Because as you pointed out, he voted reywas/Fuzz Day 1

I'd like to know why Fuzz votes Wilgy three days in a row. Fuzz - If I recall, Wilgy mentioned your name when discussing his plan regarding me, Mac, and Floyd. I have Wilgy as "good" solely for this reason. Why do you distrust him so much?



This makes him look worse then his interactions with Floyd, IMO.

I'd like him to answer my Wilgy question, and 3J, I'd like you to answer my Mac question.

[Diiny]

Spoiler: show

There is a god, and he has impeccable comedic timing

[Matt]

Were those eyeballs to me?

Russ - Understood.

Russ is back to "anti-Mafia" for the time being.

[Marmot]

Russtifinko, how certain are you that there are 4 anti-civs alive?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not into lynching people who are gone, whatever JJJ thinks about it. It's one thing in lylo, but we still have 4 anti-civs alive and plenty to go on.

If there's a convincing case against someone, then this is bunk. Sorry, but decreasing the likelihood of a mafia lynch for the sake of giving an absentee more time inherently increases the likelihood of the mafia team gaining an extra day of numbers strength and that is a major concession. I refuse.

Sell me on a better vote based upon thread content, not who is here and who isn't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Matt's trust in bcornett actually makes me think of something. This might have already been covered a time or five so sorry if it's old news but:

Brian was the counterwagon to LC on Day 2. LC voted for him in an 8-6 tally, meaning the real tally was 8-8 (barring other vote manipulation). LC can't bus his team mate in Brian in this scenario, because players would still be able to identify that the Flowers role was involved in getting him lynched.

Does this not clear bcornett, or come pretty close to that?

[sig]

I do agree with you Russ on your suspicion of Motel Room. Tomorrow I will read over Fuzz's post from what JJJ has said I've liked. The only issue though is I still have some doubts about JJJ.
At this time I would prefer a motel room lynch.

[Diiny]

Were those eyeballs to me?

Russ - Understood.

Russ is back to "anti-Mafia" for the time being.

Nah, to russ because he posted what he posted just as the discussion moved to my hatred of 'WOO GOT A SCUM' posts

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Matt, did you ever acknowledge my response to your question about Mac's Day 1 voting tendencies?

[Marmot]

Matt's trust in bcornett actually makes me think of something. This might have already been covered a time or five so sorry if it's old news but:

Brian was the counterwagon to LC on Day 2. LC voted for him in an 8-6 tally, meaning the real tally was 8-8 (barring other vote manipulation). LC can't bus his team mate in Brian in this scenario, because players would still be able to identify that the Flowers role was involved in getting him lynched.

Does this not clear bcornett, or come pretty close to that?

Knowing Long Con yes.

He's an observant enough fellow to not do something like that. My two cents.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Morning all, I have some upcatch to perform.

Gonna need more than a joke.

[Matt]

Matt's trust in bcornett actually makes me think of something. This might have already been covered a time or five so sorry if it's old news but:

Brian was the counterwagon to LC on Day 2. LC voted for him in an 8-6 tally, meaning the real tally was 8-8 (barring other vote manipulation). LC can't bus his team mate in Brian in this scenario, because players would still be able to identify that the Flowers role was involved in getting him lynched.

Does this not clear bcornett, or come pretty close to that?

This was actually why I initially came to my "anti-Mafia" conclusion, and once Black Rock flipped Mafia, I recalled her encouraging me to look in BC's direction when I asked who was in the lead after the late Llama train on Day 2, BC or LC, while she herself refused to vote.

I can't see BC as Mafia. At all.

Linki - re: Mac's voting tendencies. I didn't respond, because I believe Rico made his "slip" shortly thereafter.

Interesting. I'll tell ya what, though, if Fuzz was to flip Mafia, I believe I could finally clear you. Maybe Fuzz is the way to go.

[Diiny]

Wait, I'm definitely missing something. You say he's mafia but you posted this:

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

?

[Matt]

Wait, I'm definitely missing something. You say he's mafia but you posted this:

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

?

I'm not getting what your question is.

[Epignosis]

I almost want a Fuzz lynch now because I think he'll flip civvie, and if so, then we can finally lynch 3J (but I'm betting Epig won't want to)

Why are you lining up names to be lynched in succession?

I still think you're Mafia.

And yeah, good call Wilgy. Lynching someone who can't defend - that's real town behavior.

We've lynched Epignosis once before when he couldn't properly defend himself.

He flipped mafia.

Yeah, but by then, I knew my time was up, so I just had fun.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi, any immediate thoughts on the matter of RadicalFuzz?