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Why do you need a placeholder vote? So if you conveniently forget to vote, you have a built in excuse if TH gets lynched?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's a placeholder.Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace Zebra
Metalmarsh89 wrote:More officially, Turnip Head, Turnip Head.It's a placeholder.
It is my duty to check if votes in polls are changeable. I had no reason to vote Turnip Head twice, other than his name being on the poll twice.S~V~S wrote:Why do you need a placeholder vote? So if you conveniently forget to vote, you have a built in excuse if TH gets lynched?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's a placeholder.Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace ZebraMetalmarsh89 wrote:More officially, Turnip Head, Turnip Head.
Time to reread Zebra.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
BUGLABUSH wrote:Luke is mafia
Luke11646 wrote:Yeah, I'm mafia and I have BTSC with you.BUGLABUSH wrote:Luke is mafia
BUGLABUSH wrote:Haha knew it
What do you make of literally anyone else in the game? You have 8 posts, and they're all about Floyd, Bugla, and Luke.Tranq wrote:I'm keeping one of my votes on TheFloyd73 for now. Floyd, who would you have voted for if you hadn't missed the Day 2 vote? What do you make of BUGLABUSH's and Luke11646's recent posts?
Canuck, I know you are probably quite busy but do you have any reads on any of the other people that have been talked about? A great deal has been said about several people and I'd like to hear your thoughts on whatever has caught your eye even if you haven't been able to sink your teeth in yet.Canucklehead wrote:Sorry I missed the vote. Probably would have voted for Mac.
Not particularly caught up thus far....still in the too much going on phase of the game, so nothing for me to really sink my teeth into yet. But I did find the back-and-forth with Epi and a2z quite humourous.....
Lies. My first 4 posts are about rocks and lizards and falling asleepTurnip Head wrote:What do you make of literally anyone else in the game? You have 8 posts, and they're all about Floyd, Bugla, and Luke.Tranq wrote:I'm keeping one of my votes on TheFloyd73 for now. Floyd, who would you have voted for if you hadn't missed the Day 2 vote? What do you make of BUGLABUSH's and Luke11646's recent posts?
Are you really just going to tunnel down this road?Bullzeye wrote:Awesome. In that case: *Voting Sig* now and gonna go look at the group 2 members to decide which one of them I also want to lynch.
Tell me why I shouldn't.Golden wrote:Are you really just going to tunnel down this road?Bullzeye wrote:Awesome. In that case: *Voting Sig* now and gonna go look at the group 2 members to decide which one of them I also want to lynch.
If so, then I'm really just going to tunnel down the road of trying to prevent sigs lynch, again.
Because you are incorrect, even though I believe you are sincere.Bullzeye wrote:Tell me why I shouldn't.Golden wrote:Are you really just going to tunnel down this road?Bullzeye wrote:Awesome. In that case: *Voting Sig* now and gonna go look at the group 2 members to decide which one of them I also want to lynch.
If so, then I'm really just going to tunnel down the road of trying to prevent sigs lynch, again.
I use placeholders all the time, since I'm often unable to make it back before the end of lynches. I don't see anything shady about that.S~V~S wrote:Why do you need a placeholder vote? So if you conveniently forget to vote, you have a built in excuse if TH gets lynched?Metalmarsh89 wrote:It's a placeholder.Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace ZebraMetalmarsh89 wrote:More officially, Turnip Head, Turnip Head.
Time to reread Zebra.
But that isn't a real explanation. I've already pointed out the flaws in your argument against Sig's lynch and to be honest, your claim to be the only one defending him (when probably a third of HB's posts are doing the same) makes me wonder about your intentions.Golden wrote:Because you are incorrect, even though I believe you are sincere.Bullzeye wrote:Tell me why I shouldn't.Golden wrote:Are you really just going to tunnel down this road?Bullzeye wrote:Awesome. In that case: *Voting Sig* now and gonna go look at the group 2 members to decide which one of them I also want to lynch.
If so, then I'm really just going to tunnel down the road of trying to prevent sigs lynch, again.
The main points in the case against sig are:Bullzeye wrote:Golden, please explain to me in your own words the main points in the case against Sig. I genuinely believe you don't either properly understand it or have deliberately misrepresented it in the past.
LolGolden wrote:The main points in the case against sig are:Bullzeye wrote:Golden, please explain to me in your own words the main points in the case against Sig. I genuinely believe you don't either properly understand it or have deliberately misrepresented it in the past.
Incorrect, no matter how good they may look to you or anyone else.
Thats it, in my own words.
Think what you want. There are two baddie teams, so if I'm so ignorant of the case on sig and he is civ then I guess I got lucky he wasn't on the other baddie team, eh?Bullzeye wrote:Golden: If Sig is civ I am going to think you're a baddie going for the civ cred of having defended such a poor innocent bandwagon victim. I think that's why you claimed you were the only person defending him and it's why you won't simply respond to my questioning whether or not you actually understand the case.
Tiny Bubbles why do you say Golden OF ALL PEOPLE should be able to tell if you're mafia? And why does his accusation of nutella make you believe he's shady?TinyBubbles wrote:rip zebra, and surprised you're still alive sig
im behind on the thread, but in response to golden's belief about me being bad, wrong~! he of ALL PEOPLE would be able to tell if i was mafia and the fact that he's accusing me as well as nutella makes me believe he's shady and nutella is at least not his teammate and probably not mafia
This is then her only defense after the lynch:Canucklehead wrote:I'm here on my couch with my dog, about to leave for curling in about 10 minutes. I support the civ cause. I do not. I do not.Golden wrote:I'm looking through ISOs to try and find some pings to actually work off and I'm getting a really clear picture.... so many people are not giving much, it's no wonder there is little to go on.
So, I'm going to ask some specific people some specific questions, and I really want these people to answer these questions. It's time to start generating content.
Bubbles, Canuck, dfaraday, Timmer, splints, rey?
Where are you guys? Are you civilian-aligned? Do you have any opinions on people you think are town? Do you have any opinions on who you think are bad?
I'm voting banana for having an obnoxious username.
I can't fathom why in the world she'd think she didn't need to excuse her incredibly flimsy bandwagon vote. This doesn't look good for Canuck, IMO.Canucklehead wrote:I don't actually think we've ever played together....a2thezebra wrote:nutella, explain to me what you mean by "pseudo-random" and then tell me why she shouldn't be my number one suspect. I have played with her before and granted, it's been a while, but I am familiar enough with her meta to understand how lightheartedly she plays, which is why I made clear that if her throwaway vote was on a throwaway candidate, or even herself, I could understand. But Banana, after two votes at that point? Hell no. That is inexcusable.
I also can't fathom why in the world you'd think I needed my vote to be "excusable".
Odd post, this.
Why would Epi tell you if he was bad? It makes me think of the urban legend that undercover cops have to be honest if asked whether or not they're a cop. It's not a damning point against Epi that he hasn't (at that point) denied being bad.Dom wrote:So anyone who disagrees with you?Epignosis wrote:Dom, S~V~S, and nutella.a2thezebra wrote:What are your top, say, three or four scum reads Epi? This question is open to SVS as well. And Floyd. And anyone.
TBH, Epig, your suspicion of me boils down to the fact that you like to suspect people and you needed someone to latch onto-- and it hasn't been me for awhile. I'm not bad and you STILL haven't told me if you are or not.
Llama would be rolling in his grave (as should you).
Is a good point but Golden wasn't telling the truth anyway and anyone familiar enough with the Sig case should've known that since one of the major points is HB's constant defenses. She does read a little blendy but also like she's trying to get involved and have her voice heard, if that makes sense. I'm not too sure how to feel about her.fingersplints wrote:I'm not sure "no one is sticking up for him" is the great indicator of civvieness that Golden is making it out to be. Baddies bus each other all the time. Especially early and when a potential slip is involved.
I saw your questions to Bubbles in the linki, JC, and the phrase 'great minds think alike' came to mind :P I'm torn between deciding who looks worse of those two (though it is possible to vote both since Bubbles missed the night vote) and am hoping for them both to post today so I too can get a better read on the pair. I don't honestly know which I'd vote for right now if there were only 10 minutes left on the poll.juliets wrote:Nice analysis Bullz. I agree with you on almost everything. I'm currently looking at sig for my group 1 vote and not sure for group two. I did put some questions out to Tiny Bubbles and Canuck though because I need to get a little bit better read on both of them. They are both considerations for my vote in the group 2 category.
I voted banana for silly reasons. I have never denied that. I also think it's pointless to try and make a punts in out of this particular molehill, but that's because I have the benefit of knowing my own role and alignment, which you lack. So you'll just have to either take my word for it (silly vote, no ulterior motive) or vote for me.
No, I don't admit that. I do admit that it looks careless and attention-causing, which is not a usual baddie MO....but odder things have happened, I guess.Bullzeye wrote:Yes your vote was silly Canuck, but it was also a silly vote smack in the middle of a civ bandwagon and you must admit that looks suspicious.
I know him being on the team that killed timmer is the basis of your original suspicion. It's also the basis for me saying the case doesn't stack up. Because I am all but certain sig is not on the team that killed timmer. That is why I'm so strong on defending him.Bullzeye wrote:It's not a solid theory, I'll grant you. But you could be hoping he's civ, you could even be completely genuine in your belief he's civ and still be defending him to gain credit. If he's independent (and not blatantly civ-unfriendly) then I'll still be sorry to have gone after him because indies aren't baddies and I'm in the business of lynching baddies.
Linki - I don't see why he couldn't be on the team that killed Timmer. In fact that was the basis of my initial ping which he overreacted to. I also don't see why he wouldn't have killed Zebra - arguably she was pursuing him more aggressively than I was. It takes away some of the heat and now there's only one voice arguing for his death and three arguing against it. Perhaps they did want to kill me and I just wasn't in range for any of them to get me. Either way he benefits from her death and nobody wants to get into the WIFOM pit of would he or wouldn't he kill someone who suspected him.
I'm not setting you up and I don't think I'm tunneling. I have a suspicion and I'm sticking with it because I haven't seen any reason not to. You yourself admit I'm sincere. All you've given me in Sig's defense is "don't lynch him because I say so" and misrepresentations of why I suspect him in the first place as well as obviously false statements about being the only person to defend him.
As far as Nutella and Bubbles are concerned, I vaguely suspect Nutella (for possibly outdated reasons so I'll be returning to her later/tomorrow) and haven't got up to Bubbles in my read yet.
I know bubbles game inside and out, she is one of my favourite people to play the game with but also someone I keep a close watch on. I defend her when I believe she is civ, and there has been a lot of that in our mafia history. I've played every game she has played except Frisky Dingo, I believe. Despite that, I do not think she has ever been mafia, and she has been amazingly consistent as a civ. That's why her odd posts stick out so far, because they are like nothing in her meta.juliets wrote:Golden, I know Bubbles does not come around a lot so I'll also ask you - do you have any idea why she said you of ALL PEOPLE would be able to tell if she's mafia. Maybe I missed this answer as I went through but I looked and couldnt find it.
But WHY are you so sure? You've given me nothing to work with. If you're right then I want to be convinced by you. I have a lot of respect for you as a player and value your opinion if you're civ but you are not helping me at all here. All you're saying is Sig isn't bad and you know it. HB put more effort into defending Sig than you have tbh and yet you've claimed to be Sig's only defender, which does not sit well with me. What exactly is so bad about the case? Don't say it's because of the word 'currently' either. I've already said that if you remove the word from the sentence it still implies knowledge of the baddies' motives. Besides, it's Sig's (over)reactions to the suspicion that are why I suspect him. That and HB's continuous defenses.Golden wrote: I know him being on the team that killed timmer is the basis of your original suspicion. It's also the basis for me saying the case doesn't stack up. Because I am all but certain sig is not on the team that killed timmer. That is why I'm so strong on defending him.
Like I say, I could be otherwise wrong that sig is not on the other bad team or not indy, but I know that case (that he is on team circle of decay) is bad. That's why I'm defending him so hard.
You voted for me thinking I was sincere and civvie but voted EOD not the biggest eye raiser YET today your voting for me as well? Please explain when you said I sounded sincere why you'd vote for me today as well?juliets wrote:sig your post gives me pause because it sounds so sincere but as the day ends and after looking through your posts especially the ones in these last few hours you look like you are really scrambling. So at the end of it all I'm going to take my chances that this is not a scum wagon and if it is I will take my punishment.sig wrote:I wasn't really trying to get zebra lynched in the last few posts, it was two things I was trying to ever so stealthy say something but it kinda flew over her head and I was messing around it doesn't seem we will be lynching someone today so I'm joking around slightly more then usually but most of even these posts have points to them.
Or maybe she knows what I was trying to say and is really scum right know I'm leaning scum on her but we will see soon enough if my hunches are correct.
There is a very slim possibility she could get lynched with fewer votes but if I was trying to change the lynch I would push Mac/juilets they are more likely to get last minute lynched then
Linki: juliets this whole wagon was started based on a small word choice to when I posted why I thought Timmer was killed. I was accused of giving horriblhy defense etc but keep in mind I've been being pushed and forced to defend myself for an entire phase, with multiply people accusing me and jumping on my wagon very early. I've had few other people chime in for me and has had multiply people attack me rather aggressively those that havent have dropped votes and that was it. This is a scum wagon I don't think your post is genuine but if it is think about it from my perspective. I've made long posts defending myself pieces of those posts were then nitpicked at to find more "evidence" against me. People DEFENDING Bulls when he twisted and changed the words then said I said them. When I mentioned this and actually made posts not only defending myself but also looking at other peoples post to prove it was made by scum and prove when people mainly Bulls changed my wording and made it seem more sinister my points were ignored. If you can't see this is a scum created wagon then vote for me.
I have the feeling you already decided to vote for me though and am simply asking this to look better if I flip civ.
So right here, already ready to cast blame and suspicion on anyone else who voted for me, saying he isn't the one responsible for it and hadn't even voted. He leaves his options open to not vote for me in case the wagon doesn't take off or if he thinks it would be better to lynch a different civ. Again is ready to castblame on anyone else with the last sentence and diminish his role in my lynch.Bullzeye wrote: If he is a civ, it will be a shame for him to be lynched. However, I alone will not be responsible for such a thing. I've not even voted yet. I'm probably going to vote Sig when I do, yes, but unless everyone else's vote doesn't count mine alone won't kill him.
After setting up the other people who voted for me he says this.Bullzeye wrote: Plenty of people are wrong in their suspicions every game. I think the case against Sig is strong, and if he flips civ it will still have been a strong case. A wrong case, yes, but not one that was inherently bad.
Know he is back on the attack on this, reconfirms he thinks I'm "bad' and diminishes my point when he changed my wording to argue for my lynch. Make it seem like I'm being erratic when he makes my wording seem more negative after I called him out on it, and defends that he isn't nitpicking.Bullzeye wrote: I don't think he is a civ though. I think he is bad for his reaction and for the fact that you are so adamantly defending him despite having no obvious reason to do so. I don't think his points have any validity to them. He acts as if I'm doing some terrible malicious thing by replacing a word with one of its synonyms and claims I'm a nitpicking baddie all because I'd made one post saying his choice of words looked strange.
I can't say I mind lynching Bubbles, but that won't tell me an awful lot about you given that she is a generally suspicious person this game. As for Sig, it's entirely possible to me he's on the team that didn't kill Timmer and just overreacted to people discussing suspicions of him and saying that there was a decent case to be made. I've already explained why I don't think it's unreasonable for his team to have killed Zebra.Golden wrote:Perhaps we could lynch bubbles and it might give you some insight into, at least, whether or not my ideas as to who killed timmer can be trusted
I've given you everything I can, bullz. I've made it clear that the problem with my case is that I do not believe sig killed timmer, and I will never believe that. It's not the word 'currently', although I do think the entire case revolves around that because it's sigs responses to the conversation which make him look bad to you, but just like normal civ sig digging his own grave to me.
But primarily it's because for sig to have insight he would have to be on the team that killed timmer, and I do not believe he is.
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