Dune [ENDGAME]

[Golden]

Sig did not vote? In his own defense? Sig, did you miss that the poll ended an hour ago?

[sig]

I couldn't vote I'm lost in the desert.

[sig]

Oh I guess I shouldstop talking until I know the results sorry about that.

[a2thezebra]

That's funny Golden, I thought you've been reading the thread. I would think that you would have at least caught one of the times sig has mentioned that he couldn't vote this round. I got you sig.

I wasn't expecting to be part of a bandwagon! lol.

My apologies sig.

Everything about this sucks.

RIP Draconus.

Vote Sig

My top suspects as of this moment...

FZ and Turnip, with slight susses still on Golden and Zebra 2.0

And a tiny eye on SVS (but I always think she's bad )

I believe, much to Mac's delight, I will be able to post cases on FZ and Turnip in the next few hours

Linki - Lol Mac Yup

Hmmm

This doesn't make much sense maybe some sort of voter manipulation, also I'm lost in the desert so I can't vote.

linki: I realize that know

Sig is here for the next fifteen minutes or so.
Know someone said not all three people who voted for me wanted to. This is interesting and it could happen one was manipulated other two jumped on the question is which ones faked it? Also lets remember I can't vote this phase so i won't be coming in to save myself I'd prefer a majority not on me.
Know I find it unlikely that multiply people targeted me without some form of coordination. The question is still why? The only answer I could get is that it is because I made read posts at night, perhaps some were right and this is the reason for this style instead of an NK?

I also revised Blooper some I'm unsure off her right know and would prefer not to lynch her tomorrow.

Well shit.

I think everyone else here needs to kinda agree who to lynch. With the amount of players, me not being able to vote, and my vote number.

15 people alive, minus 6 from people who've vote, four for me and i can't vote myself. That leaves 8 people. I need five, maybe six to be safe to vote for someone else please.

I have a feeling Banana isn't coming back this phase from him not posting and if bea doesn't make the vote either that leaves 6. KNOW between golden and zebra only one is mafia if either. I'd lean to golden being mafia but I'm not even sure on that. If neither off those look good we could find someone else but if they haven't voted yet then we needto be sure to have 6 votes on them.

What does everyone think about Banana?

This one's more tricky but notice the lack of sig's mention of himself:

OKAY
bea
FZ.
Luke11646
NANANANANANA_BANANA
nijuukyugou
Sorsha
TheFloyd73
Turnip Head

These are the people who haven't voted and can still vote

[a2thezebra]

One would think that a player so distinctly doubtful that sig's situation today is a decent indicator that he's town-aligned would have been reading his posts more closely.

[Golden]

[sig]

If there was a player emoticon I'd be praying right know.

[sig]

praying*

[MacDougall]

This is interesting. How sig got more votes after the forced votes is strange to say the least.

[sig]

Only Floyds I'm more interested in those who voted elsewhere.

[MacDougall]

Oh and his was self pres I guess. I don't feel we are getting a scum today either way

[Epignosis]

Who made Draconus crash?

Poll ended at Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:47 pm

a2thezebra
1
Elohcin (9)
6%

bea
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

Golden
1
a2thezebra (8)
6%

Luke11646
0
No votes

MacDougall
0
No votes

Matt F
0
No votes

NANANANANANA_BANANA
1
Luke11646 (16)
6%

sig
5
MacDougall (3), Golden (4), Matt F (5), S~V~S (10), TheFloyd73 (14)
29%

Sorsha
0
No votes

S~V~S
0
No votes

TheFloyd73
5
FZ. (11), nijuukyugou (12), Sorsha (13), Turnip Head (15), bea (17)
29%

Turnip Head
0
No votes

Kenneth McMillan (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
Epignosis (1), MovingPictures07 (2), Metalmarsh89 (6), Draconus (7)
24%


Total votes : 17

Missing votes: NANANANANANA_BANANA, sig

[sig]

I've got the same feeling if I survive I'm going on a Crusade and like the First one not the Fourth the fourth kinda failed.

[Golden]

I've got the same feeling if I survive I'm going on a Crusade and like the First one not the Fourth the fourth kinda failed.

I prefer the Last Crusade.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

[sig]

Well I could go all Indiana Jones on people that would work to.

[Elohcin]

Elohcin is best lynch candidate. Do her.

I know this is way after the fact. I've been gone this evening. But, why?

This is interesting. How sig got more votes after the forced votes is strange to say the least.

No, the first 4 were forced (from what I understand) and then Floyd voted sig to save himself. That is only one non-forced vote and there is good reason for it.

[a2thezebra]

IF the first four votes were forced. And that is quite a bit of forced votes, donecha think?

[Epignosis]

Day 3

Your party searches the remnants of the crashed ornithopter for any remains but finds none.

Then one of you remembers his final warning, and it’s as though you can feel the ground beneath your feet susurrating.

“We’re not all going to make it,” someone cries.

“sig looks like he won’t make it anyway. Tether him to this debris.”

Others of you try to trap TheFloyd73 in the wilderness as well, in order to improve your changes of escape, but it would seem that sig’s grotesque corpulence, buoyed by suspensor belts, is enough to keep him from escaping, and is enough to satisfy the sandworm burrowing ever closer.

sig has been lynched and was Baron Vladimir Harkonnen.

It is now Night 3. You have 22 hours to submit your PMs.

[Elohcin]

WOOT WOOT!

[Golden]

Well there you go.

This leads me to think the redirection role is bad. I did think it could have been redirecting to self (or team member) to see what the ability was.

Bye sig. Well played.

@zebra - what say you now?

[sig]

Sooooo fuckin Ironic, like the one game I'm doing good in as scum someone screws me up

GG all one who voted for me that flip goes to floyd since he is the only non forced voter

Thanks for the game Epi any chance of a rezz

[Elohcin]

And, I think the last two (there are two left, right?) Are Zebra and TH. Just sayin'.

[Marmot]

We lose all the ties.

[Elohcin]

MM, does that mean that sig's opponent was civ? I think you just spoke on topic

[a2thezebra]

Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

[Black Rock]

We lose all the ties.

Murderers

[a2thezebra]

We lose all the ties.

I especially will not take wine from the dead, thank you very much.

[Elohcin]

Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

riiiiiiiiiiight

[Golden]

Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

I just meant about whether or not you think any of the votes were faking being forced. I don't.

[Sorsha]

Wow. That's surprising! See ya sig! RIH Baron

[a2thezebra]

But then again I'm not sure if Golden is the one who should have asked me that.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

Nothing? It tells us a hell of a lot more than MM's lynch.

linki - Oh I see. Yeah, I still do.

[bea]

Does anyone not have a scum read on Elo?

It seems like everyone thinks she is a badder, Metalmarsh kept serious distance between them and she somehow got zero votes.

If that ain't a scummer I dunno what is.

Honestly Mac - she's a slippery one for me to read and I haven't been paying that much attention to her. I will give her a good looksie though.

[Golden]

But then again I'm not sure if Golden is the one who should have asked me that.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

Nothing? It tells us a hell of a lot more than MM's lynch.

linki - Oh I see. Yeah, I still do.

Yeah indeed, lol. Fair cop, you get to take the piss out of me as well

I was thinking in terms of if each of them was civ, what would we learn. But I certainly didn't make that clear.

[Golden]

But then again I'm not sure if Golden is the one who should have asked me that.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

Nothing? It tells us a hell of a lot more than MM's lynch.

linki - Oh I see. Yeah, I still do.

So you think Harkonnen were faking votes on their own teammate? Or do you think there is something else at play, and if so what?

[bea]

wait - wot? after all that, sig was bad????!!!!

I'm glad he won the coin flip!!!

Back to catsup...just got in from work....

[a2thezebra]

Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

riiiiiiiiiiight

Case case case case case case case case case case case case case case feed me a case.

[S~V~S]

And, I think the last two (there are two left, right?) Are Zebra and TH. Just sayin'.

Not FZ? She pretty much was in charge of the Save Sig committee.

[a2thezebra]

But then again I'm not sure if Golden is the one who should have asked me that.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

Nothing? It tells us a hell of a lot more than MM's lynch.

linki - Oh I see. Yeah, I still do.

So you think Harkonnen were faking votes on their own teammate? Or do you think there is something else at play, and if so what?

I'm not sure. Could be The Smuggler, could be Harkonnen faking votes, could be one or two of you had a gut read or cop role that found out sig's alignment but couldn't form a case in-thread, there are many possibilities. I think all of them are more likely than there being four forced votes on a single day. Not positive, but it seems unlikely to me.

[Elohcin]

wait - wot? after all that, sig was bad????!!!!

I'm glad he won the coin flip!!!

Back to catsup...just got in from work....

What coin flip?

[MacDougall]

I feel sorry for the scum team realtalk. They are way behind the 8 ball now and it's mostly from luck I imagine.

[bea]

Alright then, let's discuss it then.

Spoiler: show

@Matt~ this:

It is possible. Although in Mafia structure, the Emperor could be another baddie, since he was against both Atreides & Harkonnen. It actually makes more sense, now that I am thinking about it, for him to be bad than for him to be indy. Although both night kills were house Harkonnen. Gah.

I am going to skate on thin ice here and hope not to annoy Skeletor~ based on his role, and based on something I know about my own role, , and based on my knowledge of the book, I think MMs power was as a poisoner. Based on my knowledge of Metalmarsh, I would not be at all surprised if he tried to poison me Night One. And I think Matt knew about it, based on his question to me about feeling safe. And I think he is target painting with both of those questions, the one to me and the one to Sorsha. I had not seen that question he posed to Sorsha, I am glad you pointed it out Bea. One question of that nature, OK, but two?

I overslept and will have to devote time to the other game when I get home tonight, so I am going to vote now.

*Votes Matt F*

Linki, BR suspected him based on something to do with the items, I don't recall exactly. Then she died. I have been frying my own fish, and tend to think sig just "sounds" bad most of the time and gets mislynched alot for it.

Although tbh if I were to be able to change my vote again, i would vote for FZ.

Up above you have me pegged as The Emperor team, yet you seem to be not sure whether they are bad or indy. On top of that, you even struggle with this decision because it is Harkonnen who is making kills. Now you have me on Harkonnen as MM's teammate. Is that correct? Or do you think I'm on team Emperor?

I don't see how I target painted you. I asked you an admitted weird question, and I don't see how that question has to do with my alignment either which way. That is to say, I don't think you should be able to call me a civ, baddie, or indy simply because of that question. As for "target painting" Sorsha, there was speculation long before I said anything that she may have an info role. I think, at one point, she even comments on how she will probably be dead later that night!!

Also, has anyone answered my question? I've asked it about four times. If you've played in an Epignosis game, does he show failed NK attempts in his night post? SVS, I'm sure you've played an Epi game or two. Do you know the answer to this question?

I ask this because I truly believe no one tried to kill you on Night 1 SVS, or otherwise, it would've been shown. My question had ZERO to do with someone targeting you. I'm sorry I can't go into it more then that, but that's the best answer there is, it's the truth. I still don't see how this target paints you??

Lastly, WIFOM comin' up, but I simply wouldn't ask you a question like that had I tried to kill you. Straight up.

But I'm glad you're looking at FZ, because she's been my top suspect since MM flipped. We can agree on something!

matt - I've not answered the question because I can't remember....but rather than try to rely on my memory how bout we do this?

Oh dear great and powerful epi, will you write failed kills into the post or no?

Never hurts to just cut out the middle man and ask the host sweets.

linki w/ eloh - I'm still catching up - I tied the vote. I thought that's where it ended. Admitedly I haven't looked up. Been franticly trying to play catch up while peeps are still here. But I *thought* the vote was tied. I guess I will see when I submit.

[MacDougall]

FLOYD

That's twice now. How many passes do we give you?

[Golden]

But then again I'm not sure if Golden is the one who should have asked me that.

I hope that Floyd is lynched, because I think it is of value either way. If sig dies, it's just a whole lot of votes no-one wanted to cast etc. It tells us nothing.

Nothing? It tells us a hell of a lot more than MM's lynch.

linki - Oh I see. Yeah, I still do.

So you think Harkonnen were faking votes on their own teammate? Or do you think there is something else at play, and if so what?

I'm not sure. Could be The Smuggler, could be Harkonnen faking votes, could be one or two of you had a gut read or cop role that found out sig's alignment but couldn't form a case in-thread, there are many possibilities. I think all of them are more likely than there being four forced votes on a single day. Not positive, but it seems unlikely to me.

Fair enough. I doubt you'll take my word for it. I know mine was forced, and I have good reason to feel sure that SVS and Mac's were as well. I don't have the same level of certainty on Matt F, but how much more unlikely is 4 than 3. I think if anyone was a cop role, they likely would have pushed harder on the 'despite votes being forced, lets not rule sig out as civ', which at times it felt like I was the only one with any actual suspicion on him and I'll admit that even so I doubt I would have voted for him if not for the event.

I also think there is clear evidence from the person responsible that all the votes were legitimately forced. Do you see what I'm referring to?

[a2thezebra]

Just skimming through sig's ISO is making my rainbow list go topsy turvy.

[Epignosis]

I will only say "No one has been killed." If, for example, one kill fails and some other kill succeeds that same Night, it would only look like there was one kill.

[MacDougall]

I reckon Matt is the solo rogue and is the vote manip.

[a2thezebra]

I also think there is clear evidence from the person responsible that all the votes were legitimately forced. Do you see what I'm referring to?

Cut the vagueness as much as possible please. Can you say who the person responsible is? You're starting to seem like the cop to me (read: that's a good thing) actually with as much outside information as you seem to have. I am not one to base my reads off of the game's flair unless I make it to the last few days where there are fewer ways to interpret what's going on.

[a2thezebra]

I reckon Matt is the solo rogue and is the vote manip.

Mac we are agreeing a lot today.

[Golden]

@Eloh - how do you feel about Matt F?

I'm not a cop. You should do an iso on eloh. I think you've been missing how far she cracked this game open today because she was red on your rainbow list, but nothing I've said in the thread comes from my ability, it just comes from paying close attention to other people.

[sig]

Golden, I say that I must truly suck at reading sig.

@MM yeah guess we didn't pray to the god of tie's enough or not sacrifice enough sheep