Dune [ENDGAME]

#1401

a2thezebra wrote:What are your current thoughts on Blooper and Luke, Eloh?

Sorry that I didn't see this before. I am mafiaing from my phone for the first time as my computer decided to take a carp. I don't think much of Luke. He is so absent and he is new, right? It's almost like he and banana both forgot they were playing. I am on the fence about niju. She could either be a quiet baddie or a busy-in-real-life civ. I just am not sure yet. And I believe there are so many others people to look at. I think Matt brings up good points about bea and svs. It's hard bc I was so sure of myself on zebra ans th and now I am second guessing everything. The only thing I am sure of are the few people I know to be good. While that is a bit of comfort, it's not enough.

#1402

Wait...never mind about svs...she was forced to vote Sig, right? If so, I am okay with. TH's last post dreadfully to me. I think he is bad along with bea possibly.

#1403

Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

#1404

Going with TH for the moment, but they may change.

#1405

TheFloyd73 wrote:Going with TH for the moment, but they may change.

I'm guessing it probably wont' change.

Epignosis wrote:13. Votes are not changeable.

#1406

Golden wrote:
TheFloyd73 wrote:Going with TH for the moment, but they may change.
I'm guessing it probably wont' change.

Epignosis wrote:13. Votes are not changeable.

My mistake, stays on TH then.

#1407

Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.

I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

#1408

S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

(not much I can do since you won't answer my rebuttal)

#1409

In case SVS cares to discuss this...

Spoiler: show

If not, she can go on hurting the town by refusing to acknowledge that her case if seriously flawed.

Mac, is this how it feels to deal with me?

#1410

I don't think you are correct about Matt F, SVS.

#1411

Matt F wrote:
bea wrote:Matt. I have no reason to believe any of those things because I have no nefarious intentions. If I was blocked last night, that wasn't the reason there weren't any kills.

In the case you seem to be implying (that I am a killer who was blocked - let's not dance around it k? I like plain, clear and simple.)
A + B does not = C.

If you believed I was blocked, maybe I was. The host did not inform me if I was or not. But my potential blocking has nothing to do with the lack of kills last night.
Who's dancing around? I feel I'm being pretty straight forward.

Anywho, your willingness to answer my inquiries is cool beans. I did not take into consideration that you were working the pizza/football storm.

Who are your top suspects today?

Besides you, I like FZ, zebra, TH in that order.

I think zebra is likely civ due to the deleted by the host post I saw. Therefore if you saw it and understood it cool. If not I will not elaborate.

I go back and forth on fz. Her play style reminds me of teen wolf when we were both civ but both manipulated so bad by the baddies that we couldn't see the forest for the trees. I think that seems thing may be going on with her and svs. Th I have little read on. He read most civ to me in death note when he was a civ aligned Indi.

Like I said, I'd like to hear boatloads more from bandana and luke. I think floyd is likely civ. Not sure about blooper. Not sure about you, but I keep trying to be open minded in that department despite the fact that you think I'm bad. Don't know what that makes me, except maybe a fool. God knows this wouldn't be the first time I was a fool in a mafia game...

#1412

bea wrote:God knows this wouldn't be the first time I was a fool in a mafia game...

I'm waiting for the first time I'm not a fool in a mafia game.

#1413

S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.

I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

#1414

IMPORTANT HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

#1415

#1416

There is an awful lot of defending of other players going on in this game. I really hate it. Let them defend themselves with genuine defense rather than vague allusions to role knowlege and focus on your own hunt.

#1417

MacDougall wrote:There is an awful lot of defending of other players going on in this game. I really hate it. Let them defend themselves with genuine defense rather than vague allusions to role knowlege and focus on your own hunt.

Fair enough. You think eloh is bad. Anyone else?

#1418

Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.
I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.

Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?

#1419

bea wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.
I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.
Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?

Because he was forced to vote Sig. I have already said this more than once.

#1420

Elohcin wrote:
bea wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Dear God this autocorrect. I think TH and bea ARE bad. There.
I very seriously think Bea is not bad; on a scale of 1 to 10, I would give it a nine. I do think Matt is bad, though.
I very seriously think Matt is not bad. On a scale of one to ten, I give it a nine.
Why?

Admittedly I didn't ask the same question of svs. I had assumed it was because I quick civ read her and she and Sorsha have honestly played with me longer than anyone else so I just figured if she was sure I was civ, it's because I am. But fair is fair.

Svs- what in my posts makes you think I am civ to the 9 out of 10 degree?
Because he was forced to vote Sig. I have already said this more than once.

How do you know he was forced? And how does him being forced make him civ?

#1421

I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.

#1422

TheFloyd73 wrote:Going with TH for the moment, but they may change.

Could you please explain your vote.

#1423

Elohcin wrote:I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.

What makes the players who were forced good? I can see thinking that of whoever did the forcing but not those who were forced.....

#1424

Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.

#1425

Sorsha wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.
What makes the players who were forced good? I can see thinking that of whoever did the forcing but not those who were forced.....

I can say no more.

#1426

I can understand that eloh. Can you see how cigs that weren't forced to vote might take the save sig route? And if you can see that, who do you most likely think would fit that bill based on the votes?

#1427

Bea you are seeming entirely too accommodating to everyone's posts....

#1428

bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.

I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.

#1429

I just did a reread of sorsha - just to see if everything checked out and she wasn't bussing MM.

Actually I think Sorsha's posting history is very strong - her questioning at the start of night two all the way through to the vote for MM look very sincere and ask pertinent questions without giving anything away. So I'm feeling great about Sorsha after that read.

I did catch this though:

Turnip Head wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think it's clear that MacDougall did not have a scumread on Matt to start the game. I also agree that TH is wasting his time looking at Matt for that reason.
My case on Matt has nothing to do with whether or not Mac had a scumread on him.
What do you think of sig and MM? Do you think either or both of them had something to do with BRs death? If you only had the two to choose from for a vote today which one would you vote for?
I don't care to guess who killed BR because I think anyone could have done it. I do not plan to vote for sig. I think the same people trying to find meaning in the BR kill could be the ones who killed her. So.

I'm going to have great difficulty seeing past TH for a vote today. In addition, I have a sermon to write and preach so... voting early, because I don't know just how much time I'll have to be engaged in the thread tomorrow.

#1430

Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.

#1431

Turnip Head wrote:Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.

If you are civ - I understand how much it sucks to be in this position. I've been there. I did the iso on Sorsha in part because I was feeling like 'don't just assume everything is this easy'... and it would have been a great ploy if sorsha was bad all along.

But of course - you could feel that particular statement is completely true no matter what affiliation you are.

#1432

Luke11646 wrote:
bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.
I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.

What does this even mean Luke? Everyone who voted Floyd was trying to save sig, do you think they're all bad? Why single out bea?

#1433

Luke11646 wrote:
bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.
I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.

Lol

I like Luke

Golden, funny you said that. I've been secretly struggling, hoping to goodness that Sorsha wasn't just bussing MM this whole time lol. I don't think so though.

#1434

Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.
If you are civ - I understand how much it sucks to be in this position. I've been there. I did the iso on Sorsha in part because I was feeling like 'don't just assume everything is this easy'... and it would have been a great ploy if sorsha was bad all along.

But of course - you could feel that particular statement is completely true no matter what affiliation you are.

This has got to be Top 5 in my worst civ performances of all time. I'm not a player who earns a lot of trust so I know I'm always on a short leash. I can't be this wrong about everything and expect people to still trust me.

This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum. I've left no wiggle room when I've been on the wrong side of two scum lynches when they were both practically handed to us, and I point blank defended both of them.

So I've made my peace with being lynched for my sins. My body is ready.

#1435

Sorsha wrote:Bea you are seeming entirely too accommodating to everyone's posts....

Yup. I do try to see what everyone is saying. I don't find fault in that at all. I'm sorry if you do.

#1436

Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.
If you are civ - I understand how much it sucks to be in this position. I've been there. I did the iso on Sorsha in part because I was feeling like 'don't just assume everything is this easy'... and it would have been a great ploy if sorsha was bad all along.

But of course - you could feel that particular statement is completely true no matter what affiliation you are.
This has got to be Top 5 in my worst civ performances of all time. I'm not a player who earns a lot of trust so I know I'm always on a short leash. I can't be this wrong about everything and expect people to still trust me.

This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum. I've left no wiggle room when I've been on the wrong side of two scum lynches when they were both practically handed to us, and I point blank defended both of them.

So I've made my peace with being lynched for my sins. My body is ready.

Only top 5?

Nah I don't think you have played bad. Just chosen the wrong side of a couple of coin flips. Sig looked town in many ways.

#1437

Turnip Head wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.
I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.

What does this even mean Luke? Everyone who voted Floyd was trying to save sig, do you think they're all bad? Why single out bea?

Because my name is being tossed around more than the others as a lynch candidate. Im being talked about so im obviously bad. Silly th asking silly questions....

#1438

I would vote for my homegurl bea over most. She is my second top scum read.

#1439

You would be incorrect, but do what you must.

#1440

Turnip Head wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
bea wrote:Luke! You are here! What do you think about...well...everything....

Linki sorsha. That's a fair point as well.
I think that one of the forced voters is the one that forced the other two to vote and voted to make it look like they were forced to vote as well, also Bea really wanted to save sig and he turned out to be bad, Matt F made a good case on her pointing that out.
What does this even mean Luke? Everyone who voted Floyd was trying to save sig, do you think they're all bad? Why single out bea?

Basically what I mean is that out of the three that were forced to vote for sig, matt f, Mac and golden (I think) one of them was the person to force the others, so for an example if Mac wanted to force matt and golden to vote for sig and to make him not look suspicious he voted too and acted like he was forced.
So if a badie was the one that forced them to vote it could be one of them.
And I was just pointing out that Bea was suspicious and I might vote for her.

#1441

Luke - be you civvie or baddie, you are just starting to get to grips with the game, which is great to see. I hope you hang in there and keep playing games here.

#1442

Gun-to-head reads anyone? Obviously not now since everyone is asleep.

#1443

a2thezebra wrote:Gun-to-head reads anyone? Obviously not now since everyone is asleep.

Yep

#1444

Elohcin wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I assume it was forced and because I know a bit about the forcing of the votes, I feel good about those who were forced to vote Sig.
What makes the players who were forced good? I can see thinking that of whoever did the forcing but not those who were forced.....
I can say no more.

From what you know, does it make sense that 4 civvies got forced to vote for a baddie?

#1445

a2thezebra wrote:Gun-to-head reads anyone? Obviously not now since everyone is asleep.

Sure

#1446

I find it funny that Luke suddenly started getting more involved when people started pointing fingers at him. Up until now, it was only "I don't know"s. Suddenly, he knows what happened in the forced votes more than the rest of us.

#1447

Turnip Head wrote:Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.

Turnip Head wrote:This has got to be Top 5 in my worst civ performances of all time. I'm not a player who earns a lot of trust so I know I'm always on a short leash. I can't be this wrong about everything and expect people to still trust me.

This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum. I've left no wiggle room when I've been on the wrong side of two scum lynches when they were both practically handed to us, and I point blank defended both of them.

So I've made my peace with being lynched for my sins. My body is ready.

Underline 1 - If you are civ, you better start soon.

Underline 2 - If you are civ, you are hurting the town by giving up.

That being said, these two posts do not make me feel good about you at all. I was leaning more towards FZ and zebra (oh and bea, but it looks like peeps will be trusting SVS on that one), but I think another look at your ISO is needed after these two posts.

#1448

Matt's post reminds me:
TH, are you serious about what you said? If you are a civ, no one knows better how you're feeling than me, but I've never known you to be a quitter, especially not as a civ, so I can't fathom you saying something like that. What's up?

#1449

I'd also like to hear if TH has any suspicions.

And Matt- I haven't ruled out a bea vote.

#1450

I'm not quitting FZ, I just really don't know how to defend my actions and don't have much energy to try. I feel like everyone has a better grasp on this game than I do and I don't know if I'm even helping. Maybe the best thing for the game is to lynch me and move on.

I think you make a good point about Luke's post FZ. What do you think of him? And has your opinion of Zebra changed since yesterday?

linki @ Sorsha: My main suspicion is Luke for his throwaway vote, I think it's an attempt to stay away from voting for either his teammate or the one player he called civ. I still think Floyd could be bad due to his post about MM, but I admit that it's unlikely after he's been the counterwagon in two straight scum lynches. My pick for sneaky sonofabitch is Golden. He has been generally agreeable since he tunneled on Zebra 1.0. His voting record is solid after that, so I can't really make a case, but I find his recent even-keeled tone (outside of his interactions with Zebra) to be different than what I'm used to seeing from him.

Who killed S~V~S?