Dune [ENDGAME]

[FZ.]

I'd also like to hear if TH has any suspicions.

And Matt- I haven't ruled out a bea vote.

Do you want to hear if he has suspicions because it would help you decide on him, or because you really want his opinions?

What are your opinions of Luke and Blooper?

I don't know who mentioned Banana and Luke in the same category, but I disagree. Banana really seemed to disappear and maybe even forgot he's playing, while Luke is always here, but laying low. Until this day, he kept saying he doesn't know who to vote for and voted for Banana. When there was a tie between MM and Floyd, he said he didn't understand why Floyd was getting votes. Interestingly though, he said it after the deadline, when we were waiting to see who would lose the tie and get lynched.
After that, he went back to not knowing anything and voting for Banana, when it was between Floyd and Sig.
Now, he's suddenly into the game and has opinions concerning what happened with the forced votes. Why didn't he say anything last day? Maybe because he's catching flack this day, and his buddies told him to be more active.


Linki: TH, with our track record, maybe if we both think Luke is bad, he's really good
I've not once considered Golden to be bad since day 1. Maybe I'm giving him a free pass for nothing. But he's really done nothing to make me feel I shouldn't. That said, I still think it's highly unlikely that someone could manipulate 4 votes and they'd all be from the same side. Whether there was a redirection or not, giving so much power over the votes to one side seems unbalanced and it's making me doubt all of them are good.

[FZ.]

As for Zebra, my opinion has changed. I think I see her more of a civ than a baddie

[Sorsha]

I'd also like to hear if TH has any suspicions.

And Matt- I haven't ruled out a bea vote.

Do you want to hear if he has suspicions because it would help you decide on him, or because you really want his opinions?

What are your opinions of Luke and Blooper?

I don't know who mentioned Banana and Luke in the same category, but I disagree. Banana really seemed to disappear and maybe even forgot he's playing, while Luke is always here, but laying low. Until this day, he kept saying he doesn't know who to vote for and voted for Banana. When there was a tie between MM and Floyd, he said he didn't understand why Floyd was getting votes. Interestingly though, he said it after the deadline, when we were waiting to see who would lose the tie and get lynched.
After that, he went back to not knowing anything and voting for Banana, when it was between Floyd and Sig.
Now, he's suddenly into the game and has opinions concerning what happened with the forced votes. Why didn't he say anything last day? Maybe because he's catching flack this day, and his buddies told him to be more active.


Linki: TH, with our track record, maybe if we both think Luke is bad, he's really good
I've not once considered Golden to be bad since day 1. Maybe I'm giving him a free pass for nothing. But he's really done nothing to make me feel I shouldn't. That said, I still think it's highly unlikely that someone could manipulate 4 votes and they'd all be from the same side. Whether there was a redirection or not, giving so much power over the votes to one side seems unbalanced and it's making me doubt all of them are good.

Because it will help me decide on him, we'll both actually. I know he's a better player (civ or bad) than what we've seen here's and think that maybe he is just having an off game.

I feel like Luke has at least been trying, which is more than can be said about banana. I try to see the game through his eyes, what were you like your first game or two? I remember being much quieter, not having much of an opinion on players because I didn't know them well and feeling like no one was listening to me anyway. But you do make a good point about him there.

I'll have to go over bloopers posts again. I did once and they left me not feeling much of anything so I'll look again.

[Golden]

@FZ - my working theory on the vote manip is that multiple powers were at play. For instance, player A targets one person with a vote manip, and Player B targets player A with a power multiplier, which makes their power affect more people.

Another possibility could be that the 'one side' that had so much power was the smuggler, for whom so much power might not be unbalanced.

I feel like I'm ok with it because of who was involved.

[a2thezebra]

If four or more are online at the moment we should do a gun-to-head reads run.

[FZ.]

I'd also like to hear if TH has any suspicions.

And Matt- I haven't ruled out a bea vote.

Do you want to hear if he has suspicions because it would help you decide on him, or because you really want his opinions?

What are your opinions of Luke and Blooper?

I don't know who mentioned Banana and Luke in the same category, but I disagree. Banana really seemed to disappear and maybe even forgot he's playing, while Luke is always here, but laying low. Until this day, he kept saying he doesn't know who to vote for and voted for Banana. When there was a tie between MM and Floyd, he said he didn't understand why Floyd was getting votes. Interestingly though, he said it after the deadline, when we were waiting to see who would lose the tie and get lynched.
After that, he went back to not knowing anything and voting for Banana, when it was between Floyd and Sig.
Now, he's suddenly into the game and has opinions concerning what happened with the forced votes. Why didn't he say anything last day? Maybe because he's catching flack this day, and his buddies told him to be more active.


Linki: TH, with our track record, maybe if we both think Luke is bad, he's really good
I've not once considered Golden to be bad since day 1. Maybe I'm giving him a free pass for nothing. But he's really done nothing to make me feel I shouldn't. That said, I still think it's highly unlikely that someone could manipulate 4 votes and they'd all be from the same side. Whether there was a redirection or not, giving so much power over the votes to one side seems unbalanced and it's making me doubt all of them are good.

Because it will help me decide on him, we'll both actually. I know he's a better player (civ or bad) than what we've seen here's and think that maybe he is just having an off game.

I feel like Luke has at least been trying, which is more than can be said about banana. I try to see the game through his eyes, what were you like your first game or two? I remember being much quieter, not having much of an opinion on players because I didn't know them well and feeling like no one was listening to me anyway. But you do make a good point about him there.

I'll have to go over bloopers posts again. I did once and they left me not feeling much of anything so I'll look again.

I don't know, I think I was quite vocal on my first game ever, and I was bad. So maybe I'm judging based on what I would be like. But this is not about being quiet. I can't say anything about Banana, and if this wasn't an Epi game, Banana would be MK by now for lack of participation. I can only judge people who say something.
While Luke is not vocal, it's not his lack of words that bothers me, but what he does say and the timing of his words.

And I agree regarding TH. He's a good player. I think he's smarter than to just vote like that every time. Just as I know I wouldn't just be that obvious as it appears from my voting record.

linki: Sure. I'm interested to know what I think when you put a gun to my head :P

[FZ.]

@FZ - my working theory on the vote manip is that multiple powers were at play. For instance, player A targets one person with a vote manip, and Player B targets player A with a power multiplier, which makes their power affect more people.

Another possibility could be that the 'one side' that had so much power was the smuggler, for whom so much power might not be unbalanced.

I feel like I'm ok with it because of who was involved.

I get everything you're saying, but if it's a multiplier, why would it all work on civvies?
Same question for the Smuggler question. Did the multiplier choose the people who had to vote? Was it random? How do you think it works that all voters were civvies?

[Turnip Head]

Put a gun to my head, let's do this

[Sorsha]

I'll do gun to head.

I just read bloopers posts, I'd like to hear more from her but I'd say she's not bad, atm.

[FZ.]

I'll do gun to head.

I just read bloopers posts, I'd like to hear more from her but I'd say she's not bad, atm.

Really? What feels good about her posts?

[Golden]

@FZ - my working theory on the vote manip is that multiple powers were at play. For instance, player A targets one person with a vote manip, and Player B targets player A with a power multiplier, which makes their power affect more people.

Another possibility could be that the 'one side' that had so much power was the smuggler, for whom so much power might not be unbalanced.

I feel like I'm ok with it because of who was involved.

I get everything you're saying, but if it's a multiplier, why would it all work on civvies?
Same question for the Smuggler question. Did the multiplier choose the people who had to vote? Was it random? How do you think it works that all voters were civvies?

There is a difference between believing they were forced and thinking they were all civvies.

I don't know how it could work on all civvies - but I'm guessing there are ways it is possible for the person with the role to know if it does, for example it effects people two each side on the role list (and perhaps one of them was dead). This is me spitballing, obviously we don't know how it works for sure. But really I'm not assuming people who had their vote forced are civvies because of that - it just happens to be a good match for people I think are civvies anyway.

[Golden]

I'll do gun to head.

I just read bloopers posts, I'd like to hear more from her but I'd say she's not bad, atm.

Thats how I felt when I read them too. An iso on ninja is a good thing to do, I think.

Anyway, I have to go preach a sermon now, so no gun to the head for me. But I will say, I'm not going to sleep on Floyd or Luke, I think it's worth checking with epi to ask - will a player who doesn't participate for several days be modkilled?? (Banana), I still think TH is a good choice, though.

[Sorsha]

She doesn't seem like she's got bts, she did vote for sig one of the days he was up for lynch and her posts just feel genuine. I don't agree with her Eloh suspicion but that doesn't make her bad. I'd definitely like to hear more from her.

I have never played with her before though (I dont think) so I don't know how a civ blooper looks vs a bad blooper.

Linki- I don't think epi does mod kills

[Matt]

I'm not quitting FZ, I just really don't know how to defend my actions and don't have much energy to try. I feel like everyone has a better grasp on this game than I do and I don't know if I'm even helping. Maybe the best thing for the game is to lynch me and move on.

Okay. I'm having a hard time seeing you as civvie with these continued comments.

Holding my vote for now, but Turnip just shot to the top of the pack of my suspicions.

[a2thezebra]

Okay, is everyone ready?

[a2thezebra]

I'll post something like

PLAYER A

PLAYER B

PLAYER C

PLAYER D

and everyone playing has to immediately respond with either GOOD or BAD, you can't say NEUTRAL or any equivalent to it.

[a2thezebra]

I'll be doing it myself as well of course.

[FZ.]

She doesn't seem like she's got bts, she did vote for sig one of the days he was up for lynch and her posts just feel genuine. I don't agree with her Eloh suspicion but that doesn't make her bad. I'd definitely like to hear more from her.

I have never played with her before though (I dont think) so I don't know how a civ blooper looks vs a bad blooper.

Linki- I don't think epi does mod kills

Did you see what I wrote about her yesterday? I'm quoting it again, just in case you didn't:

If you look at those who were NK the first two nights, they were both people who voted Sig on day 1. On day 2, Blooper voted Sig, when she was the only one and he wasn't close to being lynched, while Drac didn't, yet Blooper didn't die night 2, but Drac did.

In addition, I don't have time to quote all of Blooper's post from before last day's lynch, but if you go read back you'll see that she starts off saying it seems Floyd's name is being thrown around but people are hesitant to vote him. The, she give a few reasons why Floyd might not be the baddie, but then gradually starts shifting her opinion. She still says she's a little suspicious of Sig, but the 3 vote manipulation is making her hesitate.

So the way I saw it, she only voted for Sig when he wasn't really getting other votes. Does that change things for you?

[a2thezebra]

I'm most likely not going to be available for the lynch, so I'll have to vote early.

[FZ.]

Did the gun to head ever really help catch baddies?

[a2thezebra]

It can.

[a2thezebra]

But it only works if a decent amount of people participate, which isn't looking like the case at the moment.

[Matt]

I'm down. Who's here? Zebra, FZ, Turnip? Is Sorsha still around?

[a2thezebra]

I was waiting for a fourth person to say yes but perhaps I waited too long. We shall see.

[Turnip Head]

Let's go

[FZ.]

It can.

I'm here. Just reminds me of something we came up with on my original site. Those who were insisting on it turned out to be the baddies...

[FZ.]

Give me two minutes, I'm going to get coffee

[Turnip Head]

Yes, it is truly hilarious how badly I've played this game. I would not even know where to start defending my actions. I would not be surprised if I were unanimously lynched today, and that's what I deserve.

This has got to be Top 5 in my worst civ performances of all time. I'm not a player who earns a lot of trust so I know I'm always on a short leash. I can't be this wrong about everything and expect people to still trust me.

This is the worst game I've ever played if I'm scum. I've left no wiggle room when I've been on the wrong side of two scum lynches when they were both practically handed to us, and I point blank defended both of them.

So I've made my peace with being lynched for my sins. My body is ready.

Underline 1 - If you are civ, you better start soon.

Underline 2 - If you are civ, you are hurting the town by giving up.

That being said, these two posts do not make me feel good about you at all. I was leaning more towards FZ and zebra (oh and bea, but it looks like peeps will be trusting SVS on that one), but I think another look at your ISO is needed after these two posts.

What did your ISO of me turn up? Methinks you'll find me continuously defending and voting to save baddies

[a2thezebra]

Okie dokie. One minute and a half and counting.

[a2thezebra]

It can.

I'm here. Just reminds me of something we came up with on my original site. Those who were insisting on it turned out to be the baddies...

I was only inspired to do it from JJJ's suggestions of it in the Talking Heads game.

[a2thezebra]

Let me know when you're ready FZ and I'll start.

[Matt]

Lol @ Turnip

[a2thezebra]

Unless you take longer than five minutes of course.

[Matt]

Zebra, if you're using the poll as a roster, don't forget to include Golden.

[FZ.]

Ready

[a2thezebra]

I would be the last person to forget Golden.

linki - Ok!

[a2thezebra]

a2thezebra

bea

Elohcin

FZ

[a2thezebra]

ME

GOOD

GOOD

GOOD

[Sorsha]

I'm here

[Turnip Head]

Town

Town

Town

Town

[a2thezebra]

Join us then Sorsha!

[Matt]

a2thezebra

bea

Elohcin

FZ

BAD

BAD

GOOD

BAD

Lol Already 3 baddies

[Sorsha]

a2thezebra

bea

Elohcin

FZ

Civ
Bad
Good
Good

[FZ.]

a2thezebra-good

bea-good

Elohcing-good

FZ-good

damn linki

[a2thezebra]

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

[a2thezebra]

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

GOOD

BAD

GOOD

BAD

[Sorsha]

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

Good
Good
Good
Good

[Matt]

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

UMMMM GOOD

GOOD

GOOD

BEST THEORIST EVER

[Turnip Head]

Golden

Luke11646

MacDougall

Matt F

Bad

Bad

Good

Good

[FZ.]

a2thezebra

bea

Elohcin

FZ

BAD

BAD

GOOD

BAD

Lol Already 3 baddies

LOL

Golden- civvie
Luke -mafia
Mac- mafia
Matt- civvie