[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

#9151

Good game everyone.
Serious questions that need to be answered. Which players were the failed kills and why did they fail?
Special mention to Diiny who had an impossible task.

#9152

Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:The game loses half a star because Diiny killed me!

Otherwise it was essentially perfect.
The spectator chatters all knew you were dead meat sooner rather than later. None of us were surprised to see you die

Well, I figured I would be dead sooner rather than later too... but I also figured I could protect someone (and make up for hurting bea). See.. target anyone else and it might be me so I would die... but target me and it could have been one of them. It didn't work out like that, but it was ok... a game where you win if dead means going balls to the wall, hopefully exposing some people, then dying. That was what I felt the best use of my role was.

I too expected to die... (not least because I felt 99% sure of Mac and Bullz and would have pursued them relentlessly). I just didn't expect it to be the serial killer.

#9153

MacDougall wrote:Golden I had the most devilish evil scheme ready for you but Diiny ruined it.

Do tell

#9154

I was going to use my role to attract your power onto myself so that you were forced to unknowingly seduce me. Then I was going to intentionally vote follow you and use you as a human shield.

#9155

MacDougall wrote:I was going to use my role to attract your power onto myself so that you were forced to unknowingly seduce me. Then I was going to intentionally vote follow you and use you as a human shield.

I couldn't have seduced you, I don't think. You and I were both from RYM, so it would have failed.

#9156

You never know, it might have worked

#9157

Golden wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I was going to use my role to attract your power onto myself so that you were forced to unknowingly seduce me. Then I was going to intentionally vote follow you and use you as a human shield.
I couldn't have seduced you, I don't think. You and I were both from RYM, so it would have failed.

It would have worked. We clarified. You just weren't able to target RYMers.

#9158

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hi, so I'm going to be less active than usual in this'n. Going to Sweden in a few days plus it's two games at once right now. Enjoy your mafia thread free of obnoxious JJJ nonsense for the time being.
How convenient.
Sorry zebra, I'm just not really known for posting that much. I kind of go with the flow and make a couple posts but let other people do most of the work.

#9159

I can't believe you guys let Russ make it this far. One of the most obvious baddie games I have ever seen!
Thanks for hosting Mp and Sloonei

I'm still a little confused as to how I died. I guess I was mod killed after all? Idk

Ricochet wrote:
motel room -- 3 -- LYNCHED
Ricochet -- 2
Metalmarsh89 -- 0

Metalmarsh89 used an extra vote (thanks to fingersplints) on motel room, which saved Ricochet from having to face another tie.
JJJ's range was 7 (-3, 0, +3) and his vote ended up on Russtifinko.

Diiny -- 3 (LOST) -- LYNCHED
Ricochet -- 3 (WON)

Ricochet survives another tie!
JJJ's range was 9 (-4, 0, +4) and his vote ended up on Metalmarsh89.

Ricochet -- 4 -- LYNCHED
Russtifinko -- 3

Ricochet uses his extra (secret) vote (thanks to fingersplints) on Russtifinko, hypothetically tying the tally. But...
JJJ's range was 9 (-4, 0, +4) and his vote ended up on Ricochet, breaking what otherwise would be a tie.
no
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nope

I'm going to bed. Mafia over. Real life takes over starting tomorrow. I'll probably come back with spreadsheets (although it's not as if they're scrambled completely by what actually happened) and more nopes.

I thought my case on you was effin' awesome.
If by awesome you mean bonkers...

How did my question get redirected to Rico?

#9160

I found how it was redirected. Too bad. Roxy would have known it was me from the question

Rico probably thought it was strange lol

#9161

splints, at first I thought your question to me came from TheFloyd73. :P

#9162

Golden wrote:The game loses half a star because Diiny killed me!

Otherwise it was essentially perfect.

I echo that. How did you pick your kills Diiny?

#9163

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:splints, at first I thought your question to me came from TheFloyd73. :P

Nope! Your question originally meant to have more answers, but those are two of my favourite albums and I didn't want to put crappier albums in the same category.

You mentioned liking Pink Floyd in the interrogation room, so I knew you would pick that option. I also hoped I could somehow work in the game thread that I have hosted both a Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin game on other sites in the thread so you would know it was me. (Or possibly Roxy - who was my cohost for both)

#9164

Will Strawhenge vote ★★½?

===

Hi splints.

Kinda sad you didn't intend me to receive the question

, but glad it happened and utterly surprised to have guessed it right. I have no idea what those chocolate bars taste like. Anyway, I held on to that extra vote until the bitter end, which is quite something, considering I nearly died on two other occasions, during the game, after receiving it. My extra vote should have finished things on D14 (which is why I bragged to MM about everything being chill during that phase

), alas more shenanigans piled up.

Anyway, I searched the Interrogation Room for people saying they like Reese's and I spotted only MM and Fuzz, so I never had anyone else in mind who could ask me this.

I also posted this in the game, hoping to get a reaction and possibly role check, but nobody bothered.

Ricochet wrote:Also Hi hi hi hi hi

I'm home from work and will try to do some reads in the upcoming hours.

Although right now I could go for a Reese's goodies, mmm.

#9165

There was a pb or chocolate on the TSM questionnaire

Rox and I love Reese's stuff. The trees are her favourite, but I prefer the eggs because it has the maximum pb to chocolate ratio

I never had any idea the question didn't go to Rox since you got it right

I was going to ask you a question soon actually. I planned to use that office gif you used during TSM

#9166

Hehe, nice, I remember that.

#9167

I prefer the small reese cups because they have the minimum pb to chocolate ratio.

#9168

Alright, I'mma start dumping spreadsheet-related questions:

Did the Doc get paralysed by killing Swamp until N3 (including it) or N4 (two Nights that actually occurred)?

#9169

Good morning, ex-players!

FYI I will be absent until 6:45PM Eastern (15 minutes or so before the MVP announcement), since Wednesdays are long days for me (I teach starting at 7:30AM and do not finish my last class until 5:15PM). I'll keep talking postgame with you folks, answer questions, and respond to posts then.

Don't forget to vote for Civilian MVP and Mafia MVP!

#9170

A few more thing I may ask yourselves. Back later.

Who was challenged alonside JJJ by Sorsha (Found a Job) on Night 1? And Night 3, was that really Matt vs Mac?

Who survived N4 SK kill?

On what Night did splints question JJJ?

Did Devin intercept anything? On what Night?

Did Roxy duplicate any Night Power onto another civ?

Which players did b24 protect and when? (except the ones already mentioned by MP, during crucial Nights)

Which players did Matt target and when? (except the times already mentioned by MP)

Which players did Straw target and when? (except the times mentioned)

Who bought Fuzz's votes and when? (except the times mentioned)

Floyd would have killed himself N5?

Or is that Floyd wanted to kill Matt, but Matt redirected it to JJJ.

Something doesn't add up about Diiny's N9 ratio being 1:1, except my math is shit. (which is always possible)

It obviously messes with every subsequent double-kill night. Can I have a rundown of the SYN-RYM losses?

LOL, JJJ's mad town cred for lynching Floyd on D8 is only apparent.

Who survived Angel's kill N11?

Can I get a rundown of the ACEO songs and effects (except what JJJ already sent me - Night 1 through 4)?

#9171

Oh.

Who else did the Mafia target, except when it was mentioned by MP? Which of the mafia, when, how?

#9172

fingersplints wrote:There was a pb or chocolate on the TSM questionnaire Rox and I love Reese's stuff. The trees are her favourite, but I prefer the eggs because it has the maximum pb to chocolate ratio I never had any idea the question didn't go to Rox since you got it right

I was going to ask you a question soon actually. I planned to use that office gif you used during TSM

When llama had that role, his question to me was cake or death.

I chose cake and got a vote. :P

#9173

RadicalFuzz wrote:Marsh the reason I was after your head was because I was convinced you were aware of the possibility that your Vote For Sale vote had gotten through but were ignoring it. That was the only basis for me calling you illogical. I thought you had ignored the very real possibility that me tunneling Wilgy for literally a week was attempting to send you a message that "I want Wilgy dead after the night phase you bought LVS's vote against Wilgy" but you didn't see it. So the only remaining possibilities were Mafia or SK, both allegiances I wanted dead.

I did notice that vote. Unfortunately, I had tried to get your vote on three different occasions, PMing MP within 5 minutes of the post going up. But the other times when I thought I had asked pretty quickly, nobody voted the player I wanted, so I figured I had missed out.

Also, my tunneling on your "scumslip" outweighed the possibility in my mind that you were Love for Sale. I probably should have acknowledged that possibility more. Sorry about that. :P

#9174

Day 3 GTH reads accuracy,

JaggedJimmyJay - 1 for 6 (also had Diiny as bad)
Golden - 0 for 6
MacDougall - 2 for 6
zebra - 0 for 6 (also had Diiny as bad)

Curious. MacDougall was mafia, he had more accurate reads than any other player, and also had the fewest baddie reads. Zebra had 12 baddie reads, but was wrong on all accounts (wert mafia). MacDougall had 6 baddie reads, but got 2 right, more than all 3 other players combined. MacDougall had 6, the number of mafia still alive. This is noteworthy for the future.

Day 7 GTH reads accuracy,

bcornett - 3 for 5
DrWilgy - 1 for 5 (also had Diiny as bad)
JaggedJimmyJay - 4 for 5
Metalmarsh89 - 2 for 5
motel room - 3 for 5
RadicalFuzz - 3 for 5
Strawhenge - 2 for 5

Later in the game, curiously, the only mafia player involved had the least amount of correct baddie reads. Jay got every one right except for the player he was teamed up as CEO with.

#9175

It's all good, just trying to explain where my frustration came from.

Also in the sock game your "2" was super apathetic so I was already somewhat annoyed at the persona. That really wasn't the best game to join the site on, it's got me all mixed up as to who acts like what.

#9176

I was trying to behave like Dom. I think I got it right at some points, but also was way off at some other points where I let my true intentions show.

#9177

Oh, fun fact, the night I died from SK was a mistake. I had followed J3's vote that day, so I should've had protection from any RYM night powers that night. MP made the next SK kill against a civ miss to make up for it.

#9178

Ricochet wrote:Who was challenged alonside JJJ by Sorsha (Found a Job) on Night 1? And Night 3, was that really Matt vs Mac?

In spectator chat, Sorsha told me who else she targeted that night. I forget who, but it wasn't Mac lol.

Ricochet wrote:Which players did Matt target and when? (except the times already mentioned by MP)

Here are my targets for each night... On Night's 3 and 5, I targetted Bullz with another RYMer because I assumed Bullz was a Syndicateer. However, Bullz replaced san mateo. I'm not sure if MP let the Night 3 slide, but on Night 5 I believe I was told my power didn't go through that night because we found the error.

Anyway...

Night 1. Hit Long Con Secondary Targets: Wilgy and 3J (2 out of 3 baddies!)

Night 3. Hit Devin (Draconus) Secondary Targets: Choutas and Bullzeye (1 out of 3 baddies!)

Night 4. Hit Bullzeye Secondary Targets: MacDougall and Devin (Draconus) (2 out of 3 baddies!)

Night 5. Hit Floyd Secondary Targets: Bullzeye and 3J (2 out of 3 baddies!)

Night 7. Hit Epignosis Secondary Targets: motel room and Russ (1 out of 3 baddies!)

Night 9. Hit 3J Secondary Targets: Ricochet and motel room (0 out of 3 baddies

)

Looking back, I had a way better night action game then I realized.

#9179

Correction - On Night 5, I believe I was told Bullzeye wouldn't be redirected at because I had his forum alignment wrong. Because my power still went through by avoiding the Floyd kill, and redirecting it to 3J

#9180

bea wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Town MVP: SVS
Scum MVP: MovingPictures07
Proving yet again....the most dangerous person in an MP game is............MP.

new people think I'm joking...he has...a history.....

True true.

#9181

HamburgerBoy wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I found it amusing how Syndicate civs vociferously defended LC and them RYM civs did the same for me aside from Strawhenge who by golly I thought I could convince. Black Rock was ready to vote to save me literally asked in BTSC and I got called into a meeting 10 minutes before deadline and came back minutes after it haha. Wilgy convinced her not to bcuz plans or something.
It's official forever:

meta is bullshit
It netted you Bullzeye though.

And scumslips netted Floyd.
Scumslips are applicable to brand new people, but I don't want to hear about slips for players who've played Mafia for years. :P
I made one in gentlemans guide. I'd never made one before, lol.
I made a scumslip in RYM #88. (iirc only espers cared though and I got away )

;_;

i only let off on you because i believed rdw had vigged you and thought that didn't make sense if you were partners, lol.

#9182

Alright, I'm here!

Going to prepare for the MVP reveal... then I'll address posts and questions.

#9183

Alright, so you've voted for Civilian MVP and Mafia MVP. Here are the results...

drum roll please...

Civilian MVP:

We actually have a tie! Therefore, two players will be crowned the Civilian MVP of Talking Heads Mafia! They are:

Spoiler: show

and

Spoiler: show

Congratulations to both players! Wear your banners with pride.

Mafia MVP:

Congratulations to our Mafia MVP...

Spoiler: show

Claim that banner, you FEB, you!

A job well done to all MVPs!

#9184

RIP Ricochet.

#9185

I refused to vote on such bullshit.

#9186

Epignosis wrote:I refused to vote on such bullshit.

Admit it, you wish you had won.

#9187

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I refused to vote on such bullshit.
Admit it, you wish you had won.

No, I'm a realist: Give 3J a role that can't be night killed, and he will win it.

I also don't believe in MVPs for Mafia, for several reasons.

#9188

bcornett24 wrote:
NIGHT 5

Matt F saves the day! He redirects TheFloyd73's target from himself (unknowingly) to JJJ, who survived the NK.
Interestingly, Russtifinko is the player selected by the ACEOs for "Radio Head".
Was my protection of Jay what saved him from the redirection on this night?

It would have, but Jay already had auto-protection (since he was Blind, he couldn't be nightkilled).

Choutas wrote:Good game everyone.
Serious questions that need to be answered. Which players were the failed kills and why did they fail?
Special mention to Diiny who had an impossible task.

Night 4 -- SK kill failed against JaggedJimmyJay, since he was Blind.
Night 5 -- Mafia kill failed against Matt F because Matt F redirected Floyd's target to JaggedJimmyJay, who couldn't be NKed.
Night 7 -- Epignosis survived BOTH kills because he was protected by bcornett24.
Night 11 -- Mafia kill failed against JaggedJimmyJay. SK kill failed against Metalmarsh89, who avoided it due to a 40% evasion (And She Was).
Night 12 -- SK kill failed against JaggedJimmyJay.
Night 13 -- Mafia kill failed against Metalmarsh89, 60% evasion.

fingersplints wrote:I'm still a little confused as to how I died. I guess I was mod killed after all? Idk

You were killed by No Compassion for failing the posting challenge(s). You would have been modkilled at the same time if not for that though.

Ricochet wrote:Alright, I'mma start dumping spreadsheet-related questions:

Did the Doc get paralysed by killing Swamp until N3 (including it) or N4 (two Nights that actually occurred)?

Night 2 (didn't happen though) and Night 3.

#9189

Thanks a lot y'all.

Glad Rico got his piece, that was my vote. Great job to you too, Russ.

I think Diiny might be the anti-town MVP. Tons of people were deserving of both banners.

#9190

I think MacDougall is the only player who didn't get a banner. :P

#9191

Aww, poor marmot.

#9192

Ricochet wrote:A few more thing I may ask yourselves. Back later.

Who was challenged alonside JJJ by Sorsha (Found a Job) on Night 1? And Night 3, was that really Matt vs Mac?
Night 1: JaggedJimmyJay and Long Con
Night 3: Matt F and a2thezebra

Who survived N4 SK kill?
JaggedJimmyJay.

On what Night did splints question JJJ?
Night 5.

Did Devin intercept anything? On what Night?
Night 1:
Spoiler: show
MovingPictures07 wrote: Juliets: that bea comment, while not really true, sounds just like something bea would say - i don't see her as suspicious for it

Night 3:
Spoiler: show
MovingPictures07 wrote: HamburgerBoy: I think the best thing coming from this is that it would seem to confirm golden as town

Night 4:
Spoiler: show
MovingPictures07 wrote: Sorsha: I think Mac, golden, elo, Matt are civ

Did Roxy duplicate any Night Power onto another civ?
Nope.

Which players did b24 protect and when? (except the ones already mentioned by MP, during crucial Nights)

Night 1: JJJ and Golden
Night 3: missed PM
Night 4: Elohcin and Epignosis
Night 5: JJJ and Floyd
Night 7: Epignosis and Matt F
Night 9: JJJ and Strawhenge

Which players did Matt target and when? (except the times already mentioned by MP)

Seems Matt F already answered this.

Which players did Straw target and when? (except the times mentioned)

Night 1: sig and a2thezebra
Night 3: JJJ and Ricochet
Night 4: missed PM
Night 5: auto-role blocked from missing Night 4
Night 7: Choutas and MM
Night 9: Fuzz and MM
Night 10: motel room and Ricochet

Floyd would have killed himself N5? Or is that Floyd wanted to kill Matt, but Matt redirected it to JJJ.

The underlined.

#9193

Ricochet wrote:Oh.

Who else did the Mafia target, except when it was mentioned by MP? Which of the mafia, when, how?

Night 1:
Black Rock -- JJJ
MacDougall -- No action
DrWilgy -- kill K4J

Night 3:
Bullzeye -- triple RDW, force Fuzz to vote JJJ
Black Rock -- missing PM
MacDougall -- No action
MacDougall -- kill a2thezebra

Night 4:
Bullzeye -- triple Fuzz, force splints to vote Golden
Russtifinko -- randomized to sig
MacDougall -- Golden

Night 5:
Bullzeye -- triple splints, force espers to vote Elo
Black Rock -- RadicalFuzz
MacDougall -- No action
Floyd -- kill Matt F

Night 7:
Bullzeye -- triple Elo, force sig to vote Choutas
Floyd -- kill Epignosis

Night 9:
Bullzeye -- N/A
DrWilgy -- kill bcornett24

Night 10:
Bullzeye -- N/A
Russtifinko -- Ricochet

Night 11:
DrWilgy -- kill JJJ

Night 12:
Russtifinko -- Diiny

Night 13:
Russtifinko -- kill MM

Night 14:
Russtifinko -- randomized to MM

#9194

Ricochet wrote:Who bought Fuzz's votes and when? (except the times mentioned)

Night 3: a2thezebra, force vote Devin -- didn't go through since a2thezebra died
Night 4: Golden, force vote Bullzeye -- didn't go through since Golden died
Night 5: MM, force vote DrWilgy
Night 7: Ricochet, force vote motel room
Night 9: MM, force vote RadicalFuzz
Night 10: JJJ, force vote Bullzeye

Something doesn't add up about Diiny's N9 ratio being 1:1, except my math is shit. (which is always possible) It obviously messes with every subsequent double-kill night. Can I have a rundown of the SYN-RYM losses?

Are you taking into account Choutas's ability?

Not sure what you're looking for re: rundown, so let me know.

Can I get a rundown of the ACEO songs and effects (except what JJJ already sent me - Night 1 through 4)?

"The Overload" effect was Moon Rocks
"Cities" effect was Radio Head
"Moon Rocks" effect was Who Is It?
"Stay Up Late" effect was Girls... -- this never was able to go into effect
"Girls..." effect was Cities -- this never was able to go into effect
"Radio Head" effect was The Overload
"Mr. Jones" effect was Stay Up Late
"Who Is It?" effect was Mr. Jones -- this never was able to go into effect

#9195

Not sure if that adequately addresses your questions, Rico, so let me know.

#9196

Thanks, everyone...

Thanks, MP, the only answer that doesn't fully adress the question is the ACEO one. I meant which players were chosen, targeted by the song choices and when? Again, JJJ only told me about the first four Nights.

Also, lol, I corrected my math, but still posted that comment. Nah, it's all good.

#9197

good game everyone
thanks for the game mods!

#9198

Ricochet wrote:

Thanks, everyone...

Thanks, MP, the only answer that doesn't fully adress the question is the ACEO one. I meant which players were chosen, targeted by the song choices and when? Again, JJJ only told me about the first four Nights.

Also, lol, I corrected my math, but still posted that comment. Nah, it's all good.

No problem!

Got it, let me get that for you. Might not be for a bit though, since I've got a busy day today.

#9199

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:

Thanks, everyone...

Thanks, MP, the only answer that doesn't fully adress the question is the ACEO one. I meant which players were chosen, targeted by the song choices and when? Again, JJJ only told me about the first four Nights.

Also, lol, I corrected my math, but still posted that comment. Nah, it's all good.
No problem!

Got it, let me get that for you. Might not be for a bit though, since I've got a busy day today.

No rush (small letter), I got time these days.

Please also mention how targeted players used what they received, if they used it. (the track, rocks, insanification etc.).

#9200

Ricochet wrote:Thanks, MP, the only answer that doesn't fully adress the question is the ACEO one. I meant which players were chosen, targeted by the song choices and when? Again, JJJ only told me about the first four Nights.

Night 1 - "Cities" -- a2thezebra
Night 2 - "Girls..." -- N/A
Night 3 - "Moon Rocks" -- Matt F
Night 4 - "The Overload" -- Macdougall, Matt F, RadicalFuzz, TheFloyd73, Golden
Night 5 - "Radio Head" -- Russtifinko
Night 7 - "Mr. Jones" -- JaggedJimmyJay
Night 9 - "The Overload" -- Ricochet, Strawhenge, Matt F, DrWilgy, JaggedJimmyJay
Night 10 - "Cities" -- RadicalFuzz
Night 11 - "Radio Head" -- Ricochet
Night 12 - "Girls..." -- N/A
Night 13 - "Stay Up Late"
Night 14 - "Mr. Jones"

Note that these were the songs selected, not the effects from those songs (since they were mismatched).

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