1. Well for starters I was referencing MP's playstyle being the one on trial, not Mac's, but I'll bite. I haven't played with Mac a lot but what I gather from some of his RYM games as well as some games here, is that, like me, he can vary between expressing his opinions in a very detailed and analytical way, or if he's not feeling like it he can just be like nope they're scum. So (and Jekyll/Hyde is a fine comparison I must say) I think the Jekyll/Hyde sides of Mac are equally real, hence why I felt the need to push him into elaborating on his scum thoughts on Enrique earlier, which was successful. As far as MP goes, I think he makes more of an effort that most people to use an objective, unbiased, neutral tone, and to people like Mac that haven't played with him before, that can come across as disingenuous or contrived since it's so unlike most players to not show a huge amount of passion/tunneling/nonsense in their posts. That was my main point. And for the record, I am a fan (and perpetrator) of nonsense, so I'm not criticizing any particular play style. I like them all.Canucklehead wrote:This is interesting to me, for a few reasons.a2thezebra wrote:Regarding Mac's case on MP, I think while it may have some substance to it most of it is just pointing out differences between Mac's and MP's play style. I haven't seen MP do anything yet that has struck me as opportunistic or disingenuous, and I think Mac's case against Enrique is much more convincing.
1) re: Mac's playstyle. Have you played with Mac a lot before? I've only played with him in World Reborn, and I was not super attentive in that game, but the Mac that I encountered there was NOTHING like this Mac so far (who is reading to me as calm, reasoned, and analytical). Which of these two Jekyll/Hyde sides of Mac is the "real" style, in your opinion? In what way do you see his playstyle as differing form MP's?
2) I didn't read Mac's case on MP (which I thought was good, since I almost always accuse MP of being too hedgey/non-committal, usually on Day 1 ) as accusing him of being "opportunistic" or "disingenuous", but of being overly cautious, non-committal, and wibbly-wobbly (technical term). If you don't agree with Mac's case on "opportunistic and disingenuous" grounds, do you agree with it on "wibbly-wobbly and over-cautious" grounds?
2. See, that's my point: MP (as far as I understand) goes out of his way to not show too much passion in any particular direction with his reads. It goes to show that it's not a very valid suspicion for you or Mac (but you especially) since you yourself said that you almost always accuse him of being like this. I'm not town-reading him yet (or anyone else, frankly) but I don't think he's given anyone a valid reason to suspect him yet. So far every ping against him has simply been part of his nature or "mafia persona", in my opinion.