[END] Pikmin Mafia

[DrWilgy]

I'm starting to believe one of our votees is actually scum. Considering that no bandwagon has taken off, I can only assume that we have managed to pin one, making it harder for any scumbuddies to break the few ties we have.

That's certainly a possibility (and one that I too had considered) but realistically, it could be nothing less than group inertia based on there being no remotely clear choice...

I don't like this, nor do I like your vote, but I think you are civ.

Back onto Sorsha

I like your offer Simon, but I feel that keeping Sig alive (for now) would be for the best. What do you think of Sorsha?

[Epignosis]

If Dr.wilgy is voting for SIG, then I'all vote for him.

Who is the antecedent to the pronoun? Clearly it is DrWilgy, since you just voted for Wilgy.

And you "think" you and sig are on a team.

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

[a2thezebra]

Should I ask you to justify your vote for sig then? That was like... my first post. Explain to me the difference.

My vote for sig is already justified. I didn't like his response to Epi because it came off as an over-reaction to a teammate theory that is flimsy to say the least. Your Glorfindel vote was much worse.

[a2thezebra]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

[Epignosis]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

[Enrique]

Convenient that your unjustified temporary vote turned into an unjustified permanent vote. I'm not convinced that you actually believe I was acting funny (that's not what you said when you initially voted for me, nor did you even imply it at the time) and if you think my OMGUS is baddie-motivated, that is, assuming it even is an OMGUS, you're not just kidding yourself, you're trying to deceive everyone else. You saw me in Tree Mafia so you know just as well as I do that I am yet to do anything questionable. You're the one doing what you are accusing me of doing.

Or something. Bottomline is, you're projecting hard.

[DrWilgy]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

Heh heh heh...

[Sorsha]

I'm starting to believe one of our votees is actually scum. Considering that no bandwagon has taken off, I can only assume that we have managed to pin one, making it harder for any scumbuddies to break the few ties we have.

That's certainly a possibility (and one that I too had considered) but realistically, it could be nothing less than group inertia based on there being no remotely clear choice...

I don't like this, nor do I like your vote, but I think you are civ.

Back onto Sorsha

I like your offer Simon, but I feel that keeping Sig alive (for now) would be for the best. What do you think of Sorsha?

Why are you voting for me?

[Epignosis]

Simon has never been bad before. sig defended Simon. Simon votes DrWilgy because DrWilgy voted for sig.

Yet zebra and Enrique are going to make this "The Zebra and Enrique Show?"

Um no?

[Epignosis]

LYNCH MY CHILD.

[a2thezebra]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

[Enrique]

The goal of the game is to lynch the mafia. You remember that, right?

[DrWilgy]

LYNCH MY CHILD.

I have never been so motivated in my life...

Truely awe inspiring words...

@Sorsha

[a2thezebra]

Convenient that your unjustified temporary vote turned into an unjustified permanent vote. I'm not convinced that you actually believe I was acting funny (that's not what you said when you initially voted for me, nor did you even imply it at the time) and if you think my OMGUS is baddie-motivated, that is, assuming it even is an OMGUS, you're not just kidding yourself, you're trying to deceive everyone else. You saw me in Tree Mafia so you know just as well as I do that I am yet to do anything questionable. You're the one doing what you are accusing me of doing.

Or something. Bottomline is, you're projecting hard.

I'm not projecting. You're bad. Also, it would've been wiser to say that I'm doing what I'm accusing you of doing without copy-pasting my suspicion of you, because anyone who reads it and has read the thread will know that it applies to you perfectly and doesn't apply to me at all.

[Epignosis]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Lynching either will give you MAFIA. I'm not playing for connections. I'm playing for heads. Keep this up and I will vote for you.

[Enrique]

If you say so...

[a2thezebra]

The goal of the game is to lynch the mafia. You remember that, right?

Exactly, the mafia. Not a mafia. We need meat.

linki - This applies to this post as well.

[a2thezebra]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Lynching either will give you MAFIA. I'm not playing for connections. I'm playing for heads. Keep this up and I will vote for you.

Keep what up, exactly?

[a2thezebra]

Also lol at you threatening to vote for me over two practically confirmed baddies. Does that mean you're going to do what you'll be voting me for doing?

[Enrique]

Let's make this clear. Zebra, do you believe Simon and sig are Mafia teammates? Would you rather lynch me anyway?

[Epignosis]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Lynching either will give you MAFIA. I'm not playing for connections. I'm playing for heads. Keep this up and I will vote for you.

Keep what up, exactly?

Peddling the idea that lynching to get connections is superior to lynching to get Mafia. You protecting Simon and sig?

[Sorsha]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Explain how this makes sense.

What if one is Mafia? That will give us nothing to go on? Unless you know that neither is Mafia and that no one voting for them is Mafia?

[a2thezebra]

Let's make this clear. Zebra, do you believe Simon and sig are Mafia teammates? Would you rather lynch me anyway?

Yes to the first question, no to the second. I'm voting for you, not lynching you.

[a2thezebra]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Lynching either will give you MAFIA. I'm not playing for connections. I'm playing for heads. Keep this up and I will vote for you.

Keep what up, exactly?

Peddling the idea that lynching to get connections is superior to lynching to get Mafia. You protecting Simon and sig?

Yes, I'm protecting confirmed baddies.

[Enrique]

You know what you're doing.

u bad

a2thezebra

[a2thezebra]

I don't see how this isn't open and shut for Day 1.

Too easy and too soon, we need more meat.

How hard and how far out would you prefer it to be?

You miss the point. Lynching either will give us no connections and nothing to go on. Day 2 and Day 3 will be as aimless as Day 1.

Explain how this makes sense.

What if one is Mafia? That will give us nothing to go on? Unless you know that neither is Mafia and that no one voting for them is Mafia?

They're both Mafia. Look at both of their post histories and explain how lynching either one of them will give us anything to go on.

[a2thezebra]

You know what you're doing.

u bad

a2thezebra

What am I doing? I already know, so please answer that question for everyone else, not me.

[Enrique]

It kills baddies, Zebra. That's what we vote for.

[a2thezebra]

Speak for yourself. I vote to get closer to winning the game.

[Enrique]

You know what you're doing.

u bad

a2thezebra

What am I doing? I already know, so please answer that question for everyone else, not me.

You're projecting all your baddieness on to me and saving what you call "obvious" lynches for later. That's bad.

[Epignosis]

[Enrique]

So you want to keep two of the crazy fucks alive even though you claim to know who they are, is that right?

[a2thezebra]

You know what you're doing.

u bad

a2thezebra

What am I doing? I already know, so please answer that question for everyone else, not me.

You're projecting all your baddieness on to me and saving what you call "obvious" lynches for later. That's bad.

Keep this post for the records, folks. We need the third boss.

[a2thezebra]

You got me there, I didn't think of this argument.

[Enrique]

[Epignosis]

Why are people not voting Simon and sig? Are you really that much more confident in your crummy little Day 1 reads?

[Enrique]

Why are people not voting Simon and sig? Are you really that much more confident in your crummy little Day 1 reads?

I'm more confident in Zebra, yeah. You know him best but is it wrong to give Simon a bit more credit than assuming he just outed himself and his teammate? I mean, wasn't he also saving people all over the place in Star Wars?

[a2thezebra]

You got me there, I didn't think of this argument.

Why are people not voting Simon and sig? Are you really that much more confident in your crummy little Day 1 reads?

Do you really think that's why people aren't voting for them?

linki - Now this is some telling stuff.

[DrWilgy]

Hold on... Here's the part that doesn't make sense, if Simon is really bad, wouldn't his team tell him to stop defending as hard? or at least provide some coaching given his dire situation? With what Simon has stated, I don't believe that he and Sig are on the same team if he's bad.

Unless, he is working with his team on a huge day 1 set up. Someone tells Simon to defend Sig hard, teammate "catches" Simon, and then the ultimate bus is formed, one that would draw players into the chaos and ultimately lead to several civilian deaths.

[a2thezebra]

Why are people not voting Simon and sig? Are you really that much more confident in your crummy little Day 1 reads?

I'm more confident in Zebra, yeah. You know him best but is it wrong to give Simon a bit more credit than assuming he just outed himself and his teammate? I mean, wasn't he also saving people all over the place in Star Wars?

Quick recap:

1. You vote for Glorfindel for no reason for what you later claim to be what was then a temporary vote.
2. Your vote on him stays for phony reasons.
3. You pretend I am projecting and that these same observations apply to me when they don't.
4. You mimic Epi's disapproval of my opinion not to consider the day effectively over because of two confirmed baddies.
5. Yet you don't even consider them to be confirmed baddies yourself and would rather lynch me because you don't like my logic.

This, folks, is exactly why Epi's idea of focusing on the obvious is not realistically beneficial to town in the long run. If we had all followed his direction, everyone would vote for either Simon or sig, there would be no more discussion, and Enrique would've lost the opportunity to reveal how suspicious he is when seen in practice.

[Glorfindel]

He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

[a2thezebra]

Hold on... Here's the part that doesn't make sense, if Simon is really bad, wouldn't his team tell him to stop defending as hard? or at least provide some coaching given his dire situation? With what Simon has stated, I don't believe that he and Sig are on the same team if he's bad.

Unless, he is working with his team on a huge day 1 set up. Someone tells Simon to defend Sig hard, teammate "catches" Simon, and then the ultimate bus is formed, one that would draw players into the chaos and ultimately lead to several civilian deaths.

The teammate that "catches" Simon most likely being Epi, seeing as how his initial suspicion of Simon and sig being teammates came out of nowhere and was completely unwarranted yet by chance now appears accurate.

[a2thezebra]

The implication I get from this is that sig is not one of the team in this scenario, because sig did nothing but over-defend (as I now am willing to acknowledge) as he tends to do. It is more likely that Epi and Simon are on a team to perform the ultimate bus on Simon first (which explains why Epi voted Simon instead of sig based on a connection when Simon hadn't even posted yet) then sig who flips civ, then town is left with nothing to go on to far into the game to recover, while Epi and the third baddie (who I suspect to be Enrique, although it is not essential to this theory at all) coast to the endgame.

[a2thezebra]

He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

Tell 'em

[Typhoony]

In other news, I want to hear more from Typhoony and Soneji.

Is this enough?

I mean, if that is what you have to add to the discussion, then that's pretty piss poor.

What do you think of...anything that's going on in this day 1?

Don't really have anything to add.

I don't have time to read everything properly. I see Enrique and Zebra are leading the lynch...
Zebra it is.

[Enrique]

Why are people not voting Simon and sig? Are you really that much more confident in your crummy little Day 1 reads?

I'm more confident in Zebra, yeah. You know him best but is it wrong to give Simon a bit more credit than assuming he just outed himself and his teammate? I mean, wasn't he also saving people all over the place in Star Wars?

Quick recap:

1. You vote for Glorfindel for no reason for what you later claim to be what was then a temporary vote.
2. Your vote on him stays for phony reasons.
3. You pretend I am projecting and that these same observations apply to me when they don't.
4. You mimic Epi's disapproval of my opinion not to consider the day effectively over because of two confirmed baddies.
5. Yet you don't even consider them to be confirmed baddies yourself and would rather lynch me because you don't like my logic.

This, folks, is exactly why Epi's idea of focusing on the obvious is not realistically beneficial to town in the long run. If we had all followed his direction, everyone would vote for either Simon or sig, there would be no more discussion, and Enrique would've lost the opportunity to reveal how suspicious he is when seen in practice.

Nah.

He was acting funny, it was early into Day 1, I could change my vote. Now I'm more than happy to leave it there because he jumped into the opportunity to kill me so easily.

I was "acting funny"? I don't think so... My behaviour is (and has been) completely normal for me and I'd like to know what point of reference you're using to judge otherwise? As for 'jumping into the opportunity to kill you so easily', that is clearly untrue. I defended you and refused to vote for you in Star Wars and was deceived so you can't argue that I wouldn't give you the benefit of the doubt now. I also find your insinuation that I would take voting for you or anyone else lightly as somewhat hypocritical given the flippancy with which you voted for me ("For the fun of it").

Glorfindel, I gave you a random vote at a point when every vote was random. I gave a list for the fun of it. I voted for you because you were on top. Get over it. I gave you one vote in my only post in the game at that point, you put me ahead in the poll. This is not comparable.

linki- throwing a baddie under the bus on day one in a 16v3 game would require some massive bollocks. I don't think that's what's happening. I think you just want us to waste as many lynches as possible.

[a2thezebra]

I'm not sold on that theory being a guarantee either, which is why I'm voting for you and not Simon or Epi. Nice "nah" by the way.

[DrWilgy]

In other news, I want to hear more from Typhoony and Soneji.

Is this enough?

I mean, if that is what you have to add to the discussion, then that's pretty piss poor.

What do you think of...anything that's going on in this day 1?

Don't really have anything to add.

I don't have time to read everything properly. I see Enrique and Zebra are leading the lynch...
Zebra it is.

Yeah, I don't like this vote either. Probably my least liked vote.

[a2thezebra]

In other news, I want to hear more from Typhoony and Soneji.

Is this enough?

I mean, if that is what you have to add to the discussion, then that's pretty piss poor.

What do you think of...anything that's going on in this day 1?

Don't really have anything to add.

I don't have time to read everything properly. I see Enrique and Zebra are leading the lynch...
Zebra it is.

Yeah, I don't like this vote either. Probably my least liked vote.

There's a lot of competition though.

[Enrique]

Zebra this is our first game together where I can't follow you at all. I wasn't sure I could even see you as a baddie, but yup, here you are. So bad. Everything in that post is wrong and I can't take it seriously.