[END] Pikmin Mafia

[sig]

I thought she wasn't a good lynch choice, but I changed my mind to being fine with her lynch.
Mainly this post.

I did not believe Simon and sig were teammates. However, I was leaning towards it I admit, and I needed a way to be sure. I sensed ulterior motives from a number of players including Simon and sig themselves, so I pulled some WIFOM out of my butt to gauge reactions. At the time I disagreed with either one of them being lynched, there really wasn't any information or connections that could be analyzed from their flip, whatever that may be. Not enough anyway. Now, there is tons of content related directly to the different interpretations of what's really going on, so a lynching of either of them (especially sig) will prove massively helpful. I am still not sure if they are teammates or not, but I think a sig lynch will be beneficial because for one, I think he is bad regardless of whether Simon slipped or not, if he is teammates then we've got two of the bosses with plenty of time left to get the third, and if he is good we can look at the Epi/Simon theory that has been proposed (and denied by Epi because he wouldn't bus his own son? Nonsense, of course he would) and see if it has any merit. A sig lynch will immensely beneficial, in stark contrast to both an Enrique lynch and a me lynch.

I left "too early" ambiguous on purpose.

linki - My death might be informative as well.

But also her general interaction regarding Epi. She disagreed with him about Simon/Sig team, but thought I was bad and in the above post quoted said it could have been true. It seemed to be like she was setting up other people for a lynch after me. Or if Simon was civ she would have lynched me, then lynched Simon. She would have then said no point in lynching Epi since I'm wrong. If they were teammates.

linki:

[Marmot]

I changed my vote to sig.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sig: yeah I said it wrong. You don't change your votes, but you keep changing your mind in a way that seems artificial. That's the problem.

[Marmot]

I thought she wasn't a good lynch choice, but I changed my mind to being fine with her lynch.
Mainly this post.

I did not believe Simon and sig were teammates. However, I was leaning towards it I admit, and I needed a way to be sure. I sensed ulterior motives from a number of players including Simon and sig themselves, so I pulled some WIFOM out of my butt to gauge reactions. At the time I disagreed with either one of them being lynched, there really wasn't any information or connections that could be analyzed from their flip, whatever that may be. Not enough anyway. Now, there is tons of content related directly to the different interpretations of what's really going on, so a lynching of either of them (especially sig) will prove massively helpful. I am still not sure if they are teammates or not, but I think a sig lynch will be beneficial because for one, I think he is bad regardless of whether Simon slipped or not, if he is teammates then we've got two of the bosses with plenty of time left to get the third, and if he is good we can look at the Epi/Simon theory that has been proposed (and denied by Epi because he wouldn't bus his own son? Nonsense, of course he would) and see if it has any merit. A sig lynch will immensely beneficial, in stark contrast to both an Enrique lynch and a me lynch.

I left "too early" ambiguous on purpose.

linki - My death might be informative as well.

But also her general interaction regarding Epi. She disagreed with him about Simon/Sig team, but thought I was bad and in the above post quoted said it could have been true. It seemed to be like she was setting up other people for a lynch after me. Or if Simon was civ she would have lynched me, then lynched Simon. She would have then said no point in lynching Epi since I'm wrong. If they were teammates.

linki:

Back to Epignosis.

[Epignosis]

Revisionism and lies!

Number one:

Simon lets have fun, vote for Scotty with me and make it a three way tie. I'll address some things in a moment. First off did I say I would vote for Scotty/DDL? No what I said was out of these two and Epi one is mafia. I was willing to go with the thought EPi wasn't mafia, however I'm more confident that this isn't the case. I've also considered that Simon is civ I've said he could be a civ and Epi is bussing him, however it makes more sense for them both to be mafia.

I have bussed one teammate ever early on- DDL in Guess Who? in all my time in Mafia. I wouldn't throw my own kid under the bus Day 1 if we were on a team. Just wouldn't happen- sorry. I'd be coaching the kid and making him a top-notch FEB like his old man.

And if I were bad and he wasn't, I wouldn't kill him either (at least not early on).

Number two:

If I was scum, I wouldn't have gone after Epi. I'm not the most aggressive scum player,and I certainly wouldn't have targeted a high profile civ who could rip to shreds an argument against him. The digging of my own grave was targeting Epi and pursuing him, as well as the way I answered his accusation that Simonand I are teammates.

When did you dig your own grave and target and pursue me? Please point to where this happened. I'm certain I debunked this silly falsehood of yours.

Number three:

You are wrong here, never did I say you were throwing Simon under the bus. Your goal was to distance yourself from Simon and semi clear him. Never were you actually attempting to lynch him, I've said this many times and looking over your posts it is fairly obvious you had no intention of getting Simon lynched.

Never was I attempting to lynch him? What do you call voting for him? I had no intention of getting Simon lynched? Tell me, please, how I can do that by myself. What I said was that I know no one is going to lynch an 8-year-old Day 1. That proved to be true. But Day 2? Lookie lookie there. Does it look like I'm trying to clear Simon now?

Number four:

This is a lie, I've never changed my vote. I voted for Epi, said I would vote for Epi, and never switched from Epi.
He on the other hand has switched his vote multiply times, he has gone from thinking Zebra was a good lynch, to saying she was bad. As well as saying he wasn't pushing for my lynch, and then tried to get me lynched and dropped Simon.

When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch? I threatened him briefly for not voting either you or Simon and moved my vote off of him anyway.

[Typhoony]

Voted Sig.

[DrWilgy]

I gave you every chance in the world Sig. All you needed to do was address me.

Plus... I like Simon's presence still.

[Marmot]

When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Close enough.

[Epignosis]

When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Close enough.

It ain't a threat if it ain't believable.

[Soneji]

I gave Sig some leeway yesterday because while I am not big on players responding to accusations with conspiracy theories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to people who know him saying he can dig his own grave and Sorcha seemingly aiming to fan the flames between Epi and Sig. Now however, with Sig saying he was purposely baiting Epi, I am inclined to vote for him as that claim seems fairly ludicrous. So early on you are going to hatch a plan to try to "catch" a big fish player?

This doesn't eliminate Sorcha from my list, though I am willing to see the Sig lynch through.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[Glorfindel]

Sig, I'm sorry. I just can't get past my suspicions of you. The evidence against you seems more valid than anything I've seen over anyone else. After WW Mafia, I know you'll understand.

[Marmot]

When did I ever think that Zebra was a good lynch?

Close enough.

It ain't a threat if it ain't believable.

I found it believable. Were you being disingenuous?

[Marmot]

I gave Sig some leeway yesterday because while I am not big on players responding to accusations with conspiracy theories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to people who know him saying he can dig his own grave and Sorcha seemingly aiming to fan the flames between Epi and Sig. Now however, with Sig saying he was purposely baiting Epi, I am inclined to vote for him as that claim seems fairly ludicrous. So early on you are going to hatch a plan to try to "catch" a big fish player?

This doesn't eliminate Sorcha from my list, though I am willing to see the Sig lynch through.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Pssst, her name is Sorsha.

Also, voting sig.] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

DAY 2

Who wants to eat all of the pikmin?

Poll ended at Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:13:45 pm


agleaminranks
0
No votes

Boomslang
0
No votes

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes

DrWilgy
0
No votes

Enrique
0
No votes

Epignosis
1
sig (17) 4%

FZ.
0
No votes

Glorfindel
1
Matt (8) 4%

kneel4justice
0
No votes

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Scotty
2
kneel4justice (11), agleaminranks (12) 9%

sig
10
Enrique (7), Dragon D. Luffy (9), FZ. (10), Boomslang (15), Simon (16), DrWilgy (19), Typhoony (20), Glorfindel (21), Soneji (22), Metalmarsh89
(23) 43%

Simon
3
Scotty (4), Epignosis (5), Spacedaisy (14) 13%

Soneji
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

Typhoony
0
No votes

Sockface! (host, deadies, non-players)
6
MovingPictures07 (1), a2thezebra (2), TheFloyd73 (3), Tranq (6), S~V~S (13), juliets (18) 26%

Total votes : 23

[Tangrowth]

Day 2

sig has been lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

Yellow (Leaf) Pikmin.

He had not been gathered by any protagonist.

Day 2 has ended.

It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to send in your Night PMs.

[Marmot]

First zebra, now sig who dies twice in a 15 minute span.

[Epignosis]

That is disappointing.

[Sorsha]

ugh... I guess I won't be voting today then

RIP sig

[Spacedaisy]

Well that sucked.

[Enrique]

First zebra, now sig who dies twice in a 15 minute span.

What?

RIP sig.

[Marmot]

First zebra, now sig who dies twice in a 15 minute span.

What?

RIP sig.

Zebra died in two games in a 15 minute span the other day when she was lynched. Then it happened to sig today.

[sig]

It's gods way of telling me to only play one game at a time.

[Scotty]

Welp.
I'm sorry to see you go, sig.

What say you now, Epi?

Because I still believe one of you or Simon is bad. And I feel like a broken record at this point. But apparently only a handful of people are willing to go there because it's "cluttering up the thread".

[Scotty]

EBWOP: I believe either one or both of you are bad.

[Epignosis]

Welp.
I'm sorry to see you go, sig.

What say you now, Epi?

Because I still believe one of you or Simon is bad. And I feel like a broken record at this point. But apparently only a handful of people are willing to go there because it's "cluttering up the thread".

What say me now? I didn't lynch sig.

[Glorfindel]

Hey SIMON, let's vote for your pop!

Simon, do you rat on your siblings? Are they older or younger than you?

I agree. I think Daddy's boss because he was quick in thinking that e and Sig are teammates.

I am the oldest sibling. I'm eight years old. My sister is six. She just had her birthday. My brother is three. I tell on them and boss them because I'm the oldest.

This post is like the cutest thing ever and makes it so hard to vote Simon, but I'm going to leave my vote there... I'm an awful persooooooooon!

Indeed you are Spacedaisy... Seriously though, I agree - that post of Simon's was one of the most special things I've seen playing Mafia anywhere. I honestly can't see me ever voting lynch Simon after this...

[kneel4justice]

RIP Sig.

[Matt]

Peace out sig.

Can we lynch Glorfindel next day phase?

I'm also all for lynching Simon. Again, I figure if sig is civ and Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

[Spacedaisy]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

[Matt]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

[Spacedaisy]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?

[FZ.]

RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

[Matt]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?

Been there done that. I make up huge cases, they subsequently get ignored.

Spacedaisy, is there a reason you do not want to lynch Glorfindel? I'm beginning to think your readiness to lynch an 8 year old yet your continuing momma bearing of Glorfindel is suspish.

[FZ.]

Can you please explain the reasoning there?

Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

What are you talking about? Why does Glorfindel have to be bad and how is it related to Simon?

linki: What do you see that makes you think he's bad? I didn't really like your vote for him last day, it looked like you're trying to avoid getting attention. Please share your reasons.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I gave Sig some leeway yesterday because while I am not big on players responding to accusations with conspiracy theories, I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to people who know him saying he can dig his own grave and Sorcha seemingly aiming to fan the flames between Epi and Sig. Now however, with Sig saying he was purposely baiting Epi, I am inclined to vote for him as that claim seems fairly ludicrous. So early on you are going to hatch a plan to try to "catch" a big fish player?

This doesn't eliminate Sorcha from my list, though I am willing to see the Sig lynch through.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

[VOTE:

Any suspects or reads besides Sorsha? You were lurking all of day 2, is there anything else you noticed? Because on day 1, you seemed to be adding a lot to the game, but on day 2 the only thing you added was this stuff about Sig that was already said by other people.] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean, I know how you work: you lurk during the first few days while analysing the crap out of everybody, and then you come out and lay down the reads. After two days, any interesting results?

[Matt]

FZ, since you're here...

You find it suspicious that I did not vote for sig or simon, is that correct?

Well here's the thing. I don't trust Epi. In fact, Epi hasn't addressed me all game. I've even asked him a question that he blatantly ignored.

Either...

a) He doesn't want to socialize with me whatsoever. I find this possible but unlikely.

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

Therefore his suspish of Simon is kinda...eh.

Linki - FZ, Daisy, I have to go to work in like 15 min, and I don't have time to make a case. But I'll make a case for ya all when I get home tonight, assuming the baddies don't kill a certain cute, little, innocent Pikmin such as myself while I'm away.

As for sig, this dude gets mislynched in every effin' game I play with him. In fact, I'm going to make it policy from here on out to never vote for this guy unless I have info on him. It's ludicrous how many times I've seen him lynched as civ for the stupidest reasons.

But yeah, if Epi is right and Simon is bad, let's get Glorfindel next.

Or maybe even Daisy. She's catching my eye now.

[Matt]

Holy moley, that linki should be beneath the sig stuff.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Matt: I've been kind of suspicious of Glorfindel the entire game, but haven't really decided why. Could you help, and say why exactly you suspect him?

I promise that at least I won't ignore you

[Matt]

@Matt: I've been kind of suspicious of Glorfindel the entire game, but haven't really decided why. Could you help, and say why exactly you suspect him?

I promise that at least I won't ignore you

Thanks DDL!

No time now, will do tonight!

Also, someone ISO Daisy

[Epignosis]

RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also I'm feeling kind of uneasy about Epi, for all the accusations he made (Sig and Simon) while not jumping on the respective wagons on day 1. It looks opportunistic. That post where I explained the possibilities about Epi and Simon's alignments still points out to him being civ, though.

I also read MM's post about Epi, but I don't really agree with the particular points. A lot of them are based on the possibility of Sig being bad, and a lot of them are circular assumptions. Sorry, but if Epi is bad, it's not supposed to be that obvious.

linki: So Epi, do you still think Simon is bad?

[Matt]

RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

Hi Epi how are you doing today??

Okay time for work. Lates.

[FZ.]

FZ, since you're here...

You find it suspicious that I did not vote for sig or simon, is that correct?

Well here's the thing. I don't trust Epi. In fact, Epi hasn't addressed me all game. I've even asked him a question that he blatantly ignored.

Either...

a) He doesn't want to socialize with me whatsoever. I find this possible but unlikely.

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

Therefore his suspish of Simon is kinda...eh.

Linki - FZ, Daisy, I have to go to work in like 15 min, and I don't have time to make a case. But I'll make a case for ya all when I get home tonight, assuming the baddies don't kill a certain cute, little, innocent Pikmin such as myself while I'm away.

As for sig, this dude gets mislynched in every effin' game I play with him. In fact, I'm going to make it policy from here on out to never vote for this guy unless I have info on him. It's ludicrous how many times I've seen him lynched as civ for the stupidest reasons.

But yeah, if Epi is right and Simon is bad, let's get Glorfindel next.

Or maybe even Daisy. She's catching my eye now.

This is really strange to me. You say you don't trust Epi, yet you think Simon and Glorfindel could be bad together. Does that mean that Epi is the third boss in your mind or what? This looks like a contradiction.

I'll wait for the case you have on Glorfindel. But I would also like you to answer how the that post goes with your willingness to vote Simon.

[Epignosis]

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

[FZ.]

RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

When I read Simon's reply, it looks like maybe he was just meaning the same group as in the good guys, and him thinking both Sig and him were good, while later on he starts doubting it. Why is that not an option in your mind? Or is this more about the behaviour between you two that we're not privy to?

[FZ.]

b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

Is there a reason you don't have any on topic interactions with all those people? :P

Heck, is agleaminranks even playing?

[Epignosis]

Also I'm feeling kind of uneasy about Epi, for all the accusations he made (Sig and Simon) while not jumping on the respective wagons on day 1. It looks opportunistic. That post where I explained the possibilities about Epi and Simon's alignments still points out to him being civ, though.

I also read MM's post about Epi, but I don't really agree with the particular points. A lot of them are based on the possibility of Sig being bad, and a lot of them are circular assumptions. Sorry, but if Epi is bad, it's not supposed to be that obvious.

linki: So Epi, do you still think Simon is bad?

I do. The confidence is reeling, but I do.

[FZ.]

I have to go. Hopefully, I'll be around next day to discuss things further.

[Epignosis]

RIP Sig.
Wow, this sucks. I was really hoping this day ended better. Sorry, I should have trusted my initial gut.

Epi, a big part of your suspicion of Simon was based on the fact that when you asked him if he was on Sig's team, he said he thought so. You interpreted that as him forgetting he wasn't supposed to say who his team was, and then it all snowballed from there. I know I asked you before the day ended, but knowing he didn't make that mistake when saying he thinks they are on the same team, does it change your perception of him?

I don't know that Simon didn't make that mistake (the mistake being that he's on a team but didn't look up who his teammates were when he responded).

When I read Simon's reply, it looks like maybe he was just meaning the same group as in the good guys, and him thinking both Sig and him were good, while later on he starts doubting it. Why is that not an option in your mind? Or is this more about the behaviour between you two that we're not privy to?

I thought about that possibility, but dismissed it because it doesn't make sense- if Simon is a civilian, then he does not know if sig would be on his team. If he had said, "I don't know," that would have looked pretty good to me. If he had said, "I hope so," that would have looked pretty good to me. But what he said was, "I think so," which raises the possibility of not remembering who is on his team (as opposed to not knowing).