Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Golden]

I just did the entire page to prove that the entire definition is the one I used and none of it is the one you used.

[DharmaHelper]

IN WHICH I SHOUT AT GOLDEN FOR ROUGHLY A MINUTE AND A HALF

[S~V~S]

Hey hosts, if you're willing could you tell us whether dead people are capable of winning this game? If this is already covered somewhere, muh bad.

My infallible oracle says~



TH may be nicer than I & tell you, but I would not count on it

[Ricochet]

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

[Golden]

@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

[DharmaHelper]

@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

Do you genuinely think I explained it better?

[Golden]

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

Best idea ever. I did like it. It reminded me slightly of GLADOS from Portal, which is at once both unnerving but also awesome.

linki @DH - well, I dunno, I always feel like sometimes people don't see my suspicions because I don't explain them well. But you explained your bit of it well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

If you do this the whole game I'm on board.

[Long Con]

These links are audio recordings, right? Vocaroo? Are they serious, in-game content, or jokes?

[DharmaHelper]

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

Best idea ever. I did like it. It reminded me slightly of GLADOS from Portal, which is at once both unnerving but also awesome.

linki @DH - well, I dunno, I always feel like sometimes people don't see my suspicions because I don't explain them well. But you explained your bit of it well.

I agree with what you said. I also had the thought that the rainbow list was added to make Rico look super duper civtacular. But if it was a parody/spoof list, that would discount that theory.

[Golden]

These links are audio recordings, right? Vocaroo? Are they serious, in-game content, or jokes?

All of them so far have been fully on topic.

[DharmaHelper]

These links are audio recordings, right? Vocaroo? Are they serious, in-game content, or jokes?

Yes to the first, Yes to the former of the second

[Long Con]

Oh. Well, that is pretty crappy for those of us whose speakers are currently dead... or for people on phones with no headphones... or for people playing in church... or about a thousand other reasons why listening to audio can complicate things for people.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Rico

(Asking Rico to explain why he posted his rainbow list for the sake of adding substance to the currently speculative discussion about his rainbow list)

@ LC: Fair beef mate. I'll include summaries/transcripts for folks that need them. It'll probably get old soon anyway.

[DharmaHelper]

Oh. Well, that is pretty crappy for those of us whose speakers are currently dead... or for people on phones with no headphones... or for people playing in church... or about a thousand other reasons why listening to audio can complicate things for people.

Seems like a real pickle.

[Ricochet]

I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[DharmaHelper]

I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[Ricochet]

Hey Rico

Hey JJJ

[DharmaHelper]

Oh. Well, that is pretty crappy for those of us whose speakers are currently dead... or for people on phones with no headphones... or for people playing in church... or about a thousand other reasons why listening to audio can complicate things for people.

Seems like a real pickle.

On a serious note, I can reiterate anything you need me to reiterate in text.

[Ricochet]

I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Resorting to logic in your defense?

Q.E.muthafarkin.D

(Wait, which one am I? )

[timmer]

Just putting it out there right now. I can't listen to audio recordings for on-topic mafia posts. Sorry for being a party pooper.

[Ricochet]

Next update in T-minus 5 hours.

[DharmaHelper]

Let me see if I can cover what I said with any level of efficacy.

1. I find the discussion around RadicalFuzz more suspicious than RadicalFuzz. Seems like an easy place to start a train and place a copout Day 0 vote.

2. I don't think LoRab is suspicious, and I don't think the argument that her posts are "careful/crafted" holds up. I can see the thought process behind it, I just don't think it is solid.

3. I questioned Golden at one point regarding why he would trust Mac's gut if he finds Mac to be suspicious.

4. I slammed Rico some more regarding his rainbow list, and I posited to Golden that the purpose of the list and Rico's general behavior was in an attempt to look civvier than he is and to hide behind humor, basically.

[sig]

I feel like playing in Vocaroo right now. I voted for Watari.

Why not. Let's talk RadicalFuzz and LoRab

DH you don't sound like I thought you would at all.

I find these Vocaroo's to be very pingy. I recall playing a game with Diiny recently on RYM where he said scum doing a voice recording makes them much less suspicious, (even though he was lynched day 1) This stuck with me and I recall JJJ is from RYM as well. So I think it is something to keep an eye on, in fact before what Diiny said occurred to me I thought doing a voice message seemed rather towny. So keeping an eye on JJJ and DH for these voice things.

Know for using an argument in voice this gives them an advantage. It is harder to quote, much harder. You won't actually see the post when doing an ISO thus harder to form a case against them or just look over their history.

Know in DH's first video thing he says he didn't plan anything ahead and was just going with it (more or less). This could be a totally lie if he is mafia I don't doubt he planned what he would say ahead of time. However, he can say he didn't. This also helps to cover any scum slips or potential misphrasing which would make them seem like mafia members, since they can always just use the excuse that they were talking and it it harder.

I might just be over reacting and over thinking this, but I think it was worth mentioning.

DH summery looks good though, which lessens some of my bad feelings about the audio.

[Ricochet]

On scale from 1 to 5, please rate your experience with having Ricochet around in the Champies 2015, so far:

Ease in reaching out
Timely response to your inquiry
Friendly & courteous service
What level of civvieness would you rate his services?
What level of baddieness would you rate his services?
How satisfied are you with his products or services?
What aspect of his product or service could be improved?	__________ _ __ ____
Overall experience

[Ricochet]

I feel like playing in Vocaroo right now. I voted for Watari.

Why not. Let's talk RadicalFuzz and LoRab

DH you don't sound like I thought you would at all.

I find these Vocaroo's to be very pingy. I recall playing a game with Diiny recently on RYM where he said scum doing a voice recording makes them much less suspicious, (even though he was lynched day 1) This stuck with me and I recall JJJ is from RYM as well. So I think it is something to keep an eye on, in fact before what Diiny said occurred to me I thought doing a voice message seemed rather towny. So keeping an eye on JJJ and DH for these voice things.

Know for using an argument in voice this gives them an advantage. It is harder to quote, much harder. You won't actually see the post when doing an ISO thus harder to form a case against them or just look over their history.


Know in DH's first video thing he says he didn't plan anything ahead and was just going with it (more or less). This could be a totally lie if he is mafia I don't doubt he planned what he would say ahead of time. However, he can say he didn't. This also helps to cover any scum slips or potential misphrasing which would make them seem like mafia members, since they can always just use the excuse that they were talking and it it harder.

I might just be over reacting and over thinking this, but I think it was worth mentioning.

DH summery looks good though, which lessens some of my bad feelings about the audio.

That's actually a good point! I wouldn't want to have to listen to 30 hours of tapes in my ISOs.

Downgrading JJJ back to red, just below sig.

[thellama73]

@llama - you should look up the definition of win win.

Extract.

Spoiler: show

win-win (wĭn′wĭn′)
adj.
Of or being a situation in which the outcome benefits each of two often opposing groups: a win-win proposition for the buyer and the seller.
win′-win′ n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
win-win
adj
1. guaranteeing a favourable outcome for everyone involved: a win-win situation for NATO.
[C20: modelled on no-win]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Translations-----------------------Select a language:
win-win (win win) adjective
that both sides will benefit from it: a win-win situation.
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary © 2006-2013 K Dictionaries Ltd.


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Well, that's blatantly wrong. Dictionary makers have gotten sloppy.

[Epignosis]

@llama - you should look up the definition of win win.

Extract.

Spoiler: show

win-win (wĭn′wĭn′)
adj.
Of or being a situation in which the outcome benefits each of two often opposing groups: a win-win proposition for the buyer and the seller.
win′-win′ n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
win-win
adj
1. guaranteeing a favourable outcome for everyone involved: a win-win situation for NATO.
[C20: modelled on no-win]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Translations-----------------------Select a language:
win-win (win win) adjective
that both sides will benefit from it: a win-win situation.
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary © 2006-2013 K Dictionaries Ltd.


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Well, that's blatantly wrong. Dictionary makers have gotten sloppy.

That's because virtually all English dictionaries are descriptive rather than prescriptive, defining words as they are commonly used rather than how they are "properly" used.

[DrWilgy]

Hmmm???

[Golden]

@llama - you should look up the definition of win win.

Extract.

Spoiler: show

win-win (wĭn′wĭn′)
adj.
Of or being a situation in which the outcome benefits each of two often opposing groups: a win-win proposition for the buyer and the seller.
win′-win′ n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2011 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
win-win
adj
1. guaranteeing a favourable outcome for everyone involved: a win-win situation for NATO.
[C20: modelled on no-win]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Translations-----------------------Select a language:
win-win (win win) adjective
that both sides will benefit from it: a win-win situation.
Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary © 2006-2013 K Dictionaries Ltd.


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Well, that's blatantly wrong. Dictionary makers have gotten sloppy.

That's because virtually all English dictionaries are descriptive rather than prescriptive, defining words as they are commonly used rather than how they are "properly" used.

No, really this post (summarising many dictionaries) is saying how the term is correctly used. Not that I have any problem with the evolution of phrases to mean multiple things, but win-win has always been about both sides winning... not one person winning in any event.

[Draconus]

Hello again! I am here But not quite I promise! Just entered super busy season for work, but I'm going to try and keep up. Sooooo.... FWIW, Here are the people I won't be voting for on day 1 so far:

Radical Fuzz: He's a strange one. But I see what he's trying to do with his initial post.

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

I did not realize how short this list would be when I started it. I'm also surprised to see how many people have little to know content in this game (myself included )

[DrWilgy]

Hello again! I am here But not quite I promise! Just entered super busy season for work, but I'm going to try and keep up. Sooooo.... FWIW, Here are the people I won't be voting for on day 1 so far:

Radical Fuzz: He's a strange one. But I see what he's trying to do with his initial post.

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

I did not realize how short this list would be when I started it. I'm also surprised to see how many people have little to know content in this game (myself included )

I can't tell... if "little to know" was intended... or if it was supposed to be "little to no"... questions for later I suppose...

[Draconus]

Hello again! I am here But not quite I promise! Just entered super busy season for work, but I'm going to try and keep up. Sooooo.... FWIW, Here are the people I won't be voting for on day 1 so far:

Radical Fuzz: He's a strange one. But I see what he's trying to do with his initial post.

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

I did not realize how short this list would be when I started it. I'm also surprised to see how many people have little to know content in this game (myself included )

I can't tell... if "little to know" was intended... or if it was supposed to be "little to no"... questions for later I suppose...

Nope. I'm dumb sometimes and multitasking reeeeeally doesn't help.
Really, though, I know that "no" was the proper spelling to use.... soooo very surprised that it came out that way :/

[DrWilgy]

Do not call yourself dumb Draconus, it's not nice, just lynch Fuzz with me.

[Draconus]

Do not call yourself dumb Draconus, it's not nice, just lynch Fuzz with me.

Okay.

[Marmot]

Rainbow List?

[Marmot]

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

You sound like GLaDOS.

[Ricochet]

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

BOTD'ing someone simply because of patterns repeating themselves? Hmm.

*checks how low on the red scale Draconus was placed*

not low enough, it seems

linki:

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

You sound like GLaDOS.

Copying what others say, hmm?

Confirmed DH teamie.

[Marmot]

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

BOTD'ing someone simply because of patterns repeating themselves? Hmm.

*checks how low on the red scale Draconus was placed*

not low enough, it seems

linki:

I was ready to open all of these up and hate them, but I ended up liking them.

Maybe the same thing will happen when you record yourself.

Worst idea ever.

You sound like GLaDOS.

Copying what others say, hmm?

Confirmed DH teamie.

Well lookie there, Golden said the same thing I did.

To be fair, he said it in OT green.

[MacDougall]

Golden is 100% confirmed civ. Poking at him made civ posts come out. Where's Lorab's civ posts!?

Do not call yourself dumb Draconus, it's not nice, just lynch Fuzz with me.

I've seen this Wilgy before. I thought Wilgy intentionally played differently every game but this is Tree Wilgy ergo civ Wilgy. You trying to play like a known civ version of yourself Dr Smallpeen?

[MacDougall]

@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

Note. Golden completely shut out the concept of me being good in previous game and I was. Golden is evolving!

[Marmot]

@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

Note. Golden completely shut out the concept of me being good in previous game and I was. Golden is evolving!

Or he's badder than a pile of wet fish guts.

[MacDougall]

Hello again! I am here But not quite I promise! Just entered super busy season for work, but I'm going to try and keep up. Sooooo.... FWIW, Here are the people I won't be voting for on day 1 so far:

Radical Fuzz: He's a strange one. But I see what he's trying to do with his initial post.

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

I did not realize how short this list would be when I started it. I'm also surprised to see how many people have little to know content in this game (myself included )

So you immediately refute two major candidates, offer none of your own, and then recant under pressure from Wilgy pressing his smallpeen up against you in a crowded room and apparently now you will vote for Fuzz.

U bad. So bad.

[MacDougall]

@DH - the answer to your question is that I try and maintain a duality about what could be going on so that I don't close my mind. Sure, I may suspect mac, but if he is town (as I noted in that post) I know he is truthful when he says he has good day one instincts. It's not useful for me to shut out the concept of Mac being good and to think about the implications of that, just because I have a suspicion of him.

Is your conclusion on rico that you agree with my suspicion, or just that you can explain why I do better than me?

Note. Golden completely shut out the concept of me being good in previous game and I was. Golden is evolving!

Or he's badder than a pile of wet fish guts.

You make a valid point. Sold.

[Marmot]

Turnip Head is lurking. He is also bad

[MacDougall]

I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Night0vig Ricochet

Sayonara scumguy.

[MacDougall]

Turnip Head is lurking. He is also bad

Agreed. 10/10 would vote for.

[MacDougall]

I suggest we lynch Long Con unless he finishes posting World Reborn stories.

[Ricochet]

I don't understand why people would want to keep me around, with such a personality? We could be in here for a month. That sounds like a terrible idea, having me around for that long.

In fact, why wouldn't they rather want to keep DH around for his personality, always making such lucid, thoughtful contributions?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Night0vig Ricochet

Sayonara scumguy.

Sup.

[Turnip Head]

As fun as these vocaroo posts are, they are no longer a legal form of posting. How else are people supposed to play mafia while shirking their work duties?