Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

#1601

Now that Rico's sane, I'm curious what his actual reads and thoughts on the game are.

#1602

a2thezebra wrote:Enrique? You mean Ricochet, lol.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:Good work Enrique getting yourself lynched. Several people have said it already but I look forward to playing with someone who is as much of an analyst of the game as you are. Please though, less posts so I can better absorb what I am reading, including what you are saying. These last two days went by in kind of a blur.

Metalmarsh, I really don't want to be a pain in the ass but i re-posted my question to you last night and even though you were talking in the thread you didn't answer me. This wasn't supposed to be this big of a deal but it's hard for me to believe you missed it again since I even posted to say it was coming shortly.
And the identity of the people posting, I guess :P

LOL! As some of you know Enrique was the original Rico and my mind just played a trick on me. This is what I get for posting before coffee. Thanks for the corrections zebra and DH, and DH your comment was true. With so many posts it was hard to separate who said what.

#1603

Mmmmmm...coffee.

#1604

All I ever speak is truth yo

#1605

Oh yeah? Are you bad?

#1606

Can I say that I won't be around much today because of working on a fucking Saturday all day in a yes/no question?

Do I have a clue as to what any of the poll options mean?

Is Marmot always the right answer?

#1607

Apparently I can post normally now

#1608

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:Llama, I noticed that when Golden brought it up earlier. Mac never specifically denied being bad, he just said MM would find any evidence of it. Depends on how unwaveringly honest you think Mac is intent on being. The implication here is that he didn't want to lie about his baddieness, he preferred to flaunt it instead? "Mwa ha ha, you will NEVER find the evidence you need to defeat Me! Foolish Civ!"

Is this like A Few Good Men, where Col. Jessup wanted to claim proud responsibility for the Code Red?

Like when you attacked sig for his use of the word "interesting", among other things, this feels to me like you are opportunistically jumping on things to cast suspicion on people... as opposed to stating a genuine suspicion. Like a predator that senses weakness.
This is exactly why I did not read MAc's post in a positive light.
I don't believe that you could actually form a scum read based on something so weak? A fake scum read sure, but a genuine one no. I have no problem saying I am a civilian when I am not one. Lying is something I do well when I am bad. By this logic anytime someone defends themself by addressing the logic without adding an "I am x alignment" post-script you would scum read them, which I don't believe to be true.

I said I didn't read it in a civ light. I didn't say I wanted to lynch you. You are jumping to conclusions-- just like I'd imagine a baddie would.

Anyway, my NY trip is going well. Saw Hamilton last night, seeing Fun Home and Spring Awakening today. Won't be around much. RIP Rico, but maybe you can be a little more productive in death.

#1609

a2thezebra wrote:Oh yeah? Are you bad?

No.

#1610

Matt wrote:Wow, cool result peeps.

Draconus, who do you think would curse you to ask questions?

Just scrolled the last page and saw this. Good question, Matt. I haven't the slightest clue. But it may have something to do with me saying "I already know what I'm going to say on Day 1" during Night 0. So maybe they wanted to make me look bad by preventing me from getting my thoughts across. Just speculating here

#1611

Would it not be the best game of all time if we each got a role that had to be lynched on a certain day.

#1612

Great job Rico. This is the best possible result for the Day 1 lynch. Congrats on becoming a Force Ghost!

The Spider Money option appeals to me.

#1613

Hmmm, make that "Monkey".

#1614

Matt wrote:Wow, cool result peeps.

Draconus, who do you think would curse you to ask questions?

Do you think the curser is a good or bad role?

#1615

I'm rollin' in dat spider money.

#1616

juliets wrote:Metalmarsh here is the question I asked you. Note that I am not asking the same questions you already answered. I'm wanting to know what was in your head when you picked the word "which" when you framed the question.

juliets wrote:MM, your question to him was "which team do you think he is on?". That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were. What made you use the word "which"? And what did you expect in return from JJJ that would be an example of "which"? I hope you understand what I am asking. If not, let me know.

Sorry I never responded juliets. I've been playing much of this game so far on my phone, and just must be missing posts.

Anyway, to answer your questions.

1) I have no idea how many teams there are. That was an intentional "slip" to see how folks responded.
2) I did not know that the mafia team(s) have names. Your suggestion of that is very suspicious imo. I did not imply that I knew it either.
3) I expected Jay to be far more aggressive in his response, since the number of mafia teams is unknown, and I implied that I knew how many there were. Then again, Jay was acting apathetic before I asked the question, so I don't know what to make of it. Different Jay =/= mafia Jay.

And to add, Matt did propose the same case that you did, that I slipped, and must be mafia. But he took a pretty hesitant approach to it. The Matt I remember from Talking Heads would have dogged me all day and all game over something like that.

Juliets, where did you get the idea that the mafia team(s) have names?

#1617

If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

#1618

I'm voting for Ateles hybridus

#1619

sig wrote:I'm voting for Ateles hybridus

#1620

a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?

How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

#1621

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

#1622

Also, I agree that it is not unlikely that the Trickster is involved in the Night Polls. Unfortunately, if it's similar to A World Reborn, there's not really much we can do about it. First, there's a really wide variety of possible poll outcomes... could be some good some bad, or there could be one bad one and the rest are neutral, or something else, something we've never seen before.

Do each of the options correspond to a player?

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Polar Bear - ?

#1623

It's a brown bear not a polar bear!

#1624

Long Con wrote:Also, I agree that it is not unlikely that the Trickster is involved in the Night Polls. Unfortunately, if it's similar to A World Reborn, there's not really much we can do about it. First, there's a really wide variety of possible poll outcomes... could be some good some bad, or there could be one bad one and the rest are neutral, or something else, something we've never seen before.

Do each of the options correspond to a player?

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Polar Bear - ?

Brown Bear. Shameful.

#1625

RadicalFuzz wrote:Faraday when you say I read civvie so you're not pinged by my "strange alignment comments" what comments are you referring to?

Oh thank god he wasn't just being a giant idiot.

Llama, explain how we "lost a civilian?" His unkillable role from which he literally can't be targeted and will therefore be able to advise as a mod-confirmed civilian for the everlasting future of the game is an unfavorable outcome? I honestly think this went better than lynching scum Day 1, as Rico would surely be lynched later down the line for his actions up to this point.

Because he's dead? He died. He is no more. He is an ex-Rico. He's pushing up the daisies. He's shuffled off the mortal coil and gone to join the choir invisible.

#1626

RadicalFuzz wrote:Glad to see you're all caught up and enthusiastic about the game Timmer.

I hardly am, but give it time! I'll be active as soon as life allows and the game slows a bit!

#1627

Relevant:

#1628

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

#1629

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?

Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

#1630

thellama73 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

#1631

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?
Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.

Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

#1632

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.

I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

#1633

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.
Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

Nor would I.

#1634

Forgive the pretentious use of semicolon.

#1635

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.
Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.
Nor would I.

I would prefer to have lynched a mafia member, but it seems I'm alone on that, so let's move on.

#1636

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?
Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.
Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?

If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.

#1637

#1638

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?
Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.
Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?
If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.

This didn't answer my question at all.

Assuming you were going to get an answer to "which mafia team is X on?", How did you expect anyone to indicate which team?

#1639

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

Juliets suggested I know what the mafia team names are. To have this knowledge, I would probably have to be mafia. But she didn't seem very convinced considering the suggestion she made.

#1640

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
Are you then suggesting that juliets knew already that the mafia teams were named, and in questioning you revealed too much?
Yes. I suggested there are two mafia teams. Juliets responded by stating that "That sounds like you not only know there are two teams (i know you responded to this already) but that you knew what the team names were." Juliets brought up the idea of names, but said that I insinuated the existence of names. She put the words in my mouth, which is why I think she has secret knowledge.
Assuming your question got an answer, how did you expect anyone to indicate "which team"?
If there is more than one mafia team, I could care less which one llama is on if he's bad.

My goal was to figure out whether there is 1 mafia team or more, and potentially discover who might be mafia. I believe there are two mafia teams. I think three is far-fetched, and one would be "less fun". Also I know I had a discussion with SVS about multiple mafia teams before. I believe she had stated that she prefers smaller teams, but I'm having trouble finding this conversation.
This didn't answer my question at all.

Assuming you were going to get an answer to "which mafia team is X on?", How did you expect anyone to indicate which team?

I have zero expectation for such an indication. That question was bait. I cared about the reactions to the question, not the response.

#1641

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.
Juliets suggested I know what the mafia team names are. To have this knowledge, I would probably have to be mafia. But she didn't seem very convinced considering the suggestion she made.

Convinced that you were mafia? I think she was trying to gauge that without outright accusing you of anything (which, as always, leads to different and often less reliable results) so I still don't see how the suggestion of the teams having names is suspicious in any way.

#1642

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:Also, I agree that it is not unlikely that the Trickster is involved in the Night Polls. Unfortunately, if it's similar to A World Reborn, there's not really much we can do about it. First, there's a really wide variety of possible poll outcomes... could be some good some bad, or there could be one bad one and the rest are neutral, or something else, something we've never seen before.

Do each of the options correspond to a player?

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Polar Bear - ?
Brown Bear. Shameful.

Sorry, I copy-pasted from the mistake post.

Truly shameful.

thellama73 wrote:Because he's dead? He died. He is no more. He is an ex-Rico. He's pushing up the daisies. He's shuffled off the mortal coil and gone to join the choir invisible.

Important questions: does Rico still win if the Civs win? Does Rico's existence still count in the number of Civs and baddies when endgame arrives?

#1643

Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?

#1644

Cattle = Domestic Cow = Hamburgerboy?

#1645

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Cattle = Domestic Cow = Hamburgerboy?

Sounds right. Who is Spider Monkey then?

#1646

Long Con wrote:Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?

I searched the Syndicate for "spider monkey", and this came up.

#1647

I understand the question was bait, but at the time you asked it, surely you would have expected a response. At the time you asked, nobody knew it was a bait question. So given that, they would indicate to you "which team", how exactly?

The question itself is a poison pill, is what I'm getting at. You suspect JC for saying that you suggested the teams were named, which you didn't explicitly, but you can't in turn suspect her when "which team is he on" requires a distinction between teams.

#1648

DharmaHelper wrote:I understand the question was bait, but at the time you asked it, surely you would have expected a response. At the time you asked, nobody knew it was a bait question. So given that, they would indicate to you "which team", how exactly?

The question itself is a poison pill, is what I'm getting at. You suspect JC for saying that you suggested the teams were named, which you didn't explicitly, but you can't in turn suspect her when "which team is he on" requires a distinction between teams.

No, I was not. My expectations are not the same as yours.

Juliets suggested that I knew what the team names are, not just that I know that there are names.

Do you know what names have been given to any mafia teams in this game?

#1649

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Brown Spider Monkey - ?
Cattle - ?
Plains Zebra - a2thezebra
Yellow-bellied Marmot - Metalmarsh
Brown Bear - S~V~S?
I searched the Syndicate for "spider monkey", and this came up.

Wow. I'm glad I died before that was part of the game.

So Spider Monkey and Brown Bear are the two options I would choose.

#1650

Metalmarsh89 wrote: this

Post of the year tbqh

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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