Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

#3801

Can't stump the Trump! But you can stump a Tranq. Throwing an early vote his way to flush him out; previous calls have not been heeded.

#3802

Hmmm.

Can Sorsha, Niju, Wilgy Llama, and Tranq all post? I'm working on a theory, thanks! Or if you've already posted on Day 4 and I missed it, can you please quote the post for me?

Appreciate it!

#3803

I'm relatively caught up. I'm a bit sad that I don't have enough time/energy to analyze all of the different factors being discussed and that could be used as evidence against people (positions a la Recruitment, closed set up role reveals, etc. in addition to vote analysis and tone reads), but I'll use what I can process while multitasking. BUT FIRST. Some responses, I suppose.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: LoRab and nijuukyugou

LoRab did not talk to or about ninja.

I already talked about one of her posts relative to LoRab. Now with LoRab's flip it looks even worse than before.

Spoiler: show
nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, I have to finish these cookies and get myself outta here, and I've still got like four pages to read. Ugh. Thems the breaks, I guess.

Votes are a lot more spread out this round, which I suppose is good? Makes me less wary. During my read (and really, thinking about the no-lynch situation), I keep flip-flopping on JJJ. On the one hand, he appears as a frustrated civ who's half-given up. At the same time, he kept popping in to make points and (despite what he said upon his return) to defend himself. I'm torn because I don't like to let myself be swindled by tone, but at the same time, the tone's been consistent, and I was doubtful about that in particular yesterday. Ugh. Ugh, I say.

Well, I gotta make a decision, and I do like to make things *interesting*, especially with changeable votes being a factor. Lorab's fallen off the radar more than last phase, so let's give her a vote and see what happens when these votes get a bit closer.
This is the only other relevant post. She flips the script on Day 3.5. It appears hers was the 4th of 5 votes for LoRab, but I don't know how the tally looked at this point. I know it was a chaotic mess at this point, I don't know if I still had the tally lead. That's important information and I'll need anyone else to clarify before I can analyze fairly.

Generally I still think ninja is a viable candidate to be LoRab's team mate.

I'm not anyone's teammate. I feel so freaking lost in this game, and have felt so since Day 0, and I'd say I have no one to discuss things with except people in-thread, but I get so far behind that I don't even have time to do that. But I suppose that's irrelevant? No, not irrelevant - more like, repetitive. Yes. I was the 4th voter for Lorab, as has been confirmed, and had no intention of changing my vote (I was actually leaving at the time to go do RL shenanigans, as I said). Changed my mind on you. Your defenses rang true (as I said above, your tone did so), and have done so as far as my last read goes, too. I still hate typing that kind of stuff out, because I could still be bamboozled and I hate hate hate being wrong, but there it is. Then, this:

FZ. wrote:I went back and looked at nijuu's post before her vote for Lorab, which supposedly made her look better.

nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, I have to finish these cookies and get myself outta here, and I've still got like four pages to read. Ugh. Thems the breaks, I guess.

Votes are a lot more spread out this round, which I suppose is good? Makes me less wary. During my read (and really, thinking about the no-lynch situation), I keep flip-flopping on JJJ. On the one hand, he appears as a frustrated civ who's half-given up. At the same time, he kept popping in to make points and (despite what he said upon his return) to defend himself. I'm torn because I don't like to let myself be swindled by tone, but at the same time, the tone's been consistent, and I was doubtful about that in particular yesterday. Ugh. Ugh, I say.

Well, I gotta make a decision, and I do like to make things *interesting*, especially with changeable votes being a factor. Lorab's fallen off the radar more than last phase, so let's give her a vote and see what happens when these votes get a bit closer.
The underlined could have been a set up for a change of vote later on. She voted for JJJ the previous day when it was between the two. She said she was going back and forth on JJJ. Possibly a set up for later as well. In addition, this was before all the tie shit started happening. I'm not even sure how many votes JJJ had at that point, but he had at least 5. Does anyone remember if he had more votes at different stages of the vote?

In any case, Nijuu is definitely not a strong civ read as one would expect after that vote.

DH, what is your point?

It could've been a set up, but it wasn't. I might change a vote if I'm in the thread and playing around and talking it out, but I left. I am, admittedly, pleased to see that a bit of chaos did result, although I'm sad I missed it in real time. Makes for real fun analysis seeing who changed his/her votes and when. And "in any case," I'm not a strong civ read? Bah! There are two important things you need to know about me. One: I'm never a strong civ read, because I'm too quiet and people call me a "lurker." Two: The one time I was called a "strong civ," I was brutally nightkilled. I keep to myself now. I appreciate the suspicion, actually, and it makes me feel good and loved and safe.

Okay, I'm done being silly :P As for suspicion, after reading, I'm looking at Dom for several reasons. One, he has started to take on the defensive, flustered tone he gets when he's cornered as a baddie (using multiple question marks, using NO U over and over, etc.), but also seems to be trying to cover it with composedness because it's being pointed out. Two, he's at the bottom of HBB's list, and HBB went after him like crazy. Wouldn't it be funny if HBB hid behind Dom to prove a point? (Okay, I guess I wasn't done being silly.) It's really the reactions Dom gives to HBB's accusations that get my attention (they've been quoted by others, and this post is getting long, so I won't re-quote things unless requested). His votes in the last two lynches don't really help matters - early vote for JJJ Day 3, fifth vote (although early, as the 13th voter, but perhaps he thought it was sealing the deal?) for JJJ Day 3.5.

Hmm. I think I'll vote there early. People are throwing his name around (as well as others), so let's see where their votes go. It's a teacher workday tomorrow, and I'm pretty sure I'll be a nervous wreck tomorrow evening due to starting a new semester Wednesday, so I'll be in a terrible state of mind for mafia. I'll check back, though, to see what happens, and try to maintain some semblance of keeping up.

Linki - Hello, Matt! I can post

#3804

Thanks Niju

Now I just need Sorsha, Wilgy, LLama, and Tranq.

#3805

Matt wrote:Thanks Niju

Now I just need Sorsha, Wilgy, LLama, and Tranq.

So... any reason for this particular list, or is it all a part of your Super Secret Theory?

#3806

Boomslang wrote:
Matt wrote:Thanks Niju

Now I just need Sorsha, Wilgy, LLama, and Tranq.
So... any reason for this particular list, or is it all a part of your Super Secret Theory?

Of course there's a reason, I just need them to post first. And hope none of them are silenced. Or actually, if one of them were silenced, that would be okay too!

#3807

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:
Draconus wrote:I missed a 4 way tie?? I love ties. But great result folks

I saw a couple of mentions of me and Lorab so allow me to address what I read. I thought I explained this clearly on Day 0 but there still seems to be some confusion. I didn't want to vote Lorab on Day 1 because she was doing exactly what I went after her for doing in our previous game together. I had convinced Golden to switch to her and we lynched a civ. (I should say "convinced" as Golden was bad at the time. Anyways, I've had no further mention of Lorab due a lack of time to read up on her.
For the record and for those who don't remember I gave Jay a chance to save himself with a tie on 3.0 with a vote for llama. I didn't have time to come back before the end of the Day, but if I had a chance to I woud've voted for Lorab at that time. Before anyone says "it wouldn't have mattered. Jay was up by 2 votes" 1. We still don't know for sure what caused the lynch to be cancelled. Sure we know what Jay claimed, but we can't take those at face value. 2. Matt was also still on llama. Had he come back in time, he, too could have switched to Lorab and caused a tie. Would he do that? Idk.
My point with all of this is that I felt better about Jay than I did about both Lorab and llama.

As for who I think should be lynched next: I think DH looks the worst after this result. Typing this on my phone so I'll go look for quotes after posting this to back up my argument. But I recall DH defending Lorab pretty hard core early on and a bit recently. Be back in a few.
This doesn't sit right with me.
Why?
The tone doesn't real well.
Please highlight the areas of his post that rub you the wrong way. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to get a little evidence that you really care about this post at all.

I literally did.
Seriously?

FZ. wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:
Draconus wrote:I missed a 4 way tie?? I love ties. But great result folks

I saw a couple of mentions of me and Lorab so allow me to address what I read. I thought I explained this clearly on Day 0 but there still seems to be some confusion. I didn't want to vote Lorab on Day 1 because she was doing exactly what I went after her for doing in our previous game together. I had convinced Golden to switch to her and we lynched a civ. (I should say "convinced" as Golden was bad at the time. Anyways, I've had no further mention of Lorab due a lack of time to read up on her.
For the record and for those who don't remember I gave Jay a chance to save himself with a tie on 3.0 with a vote for llama. I didn't have time to come back before the end of the Day, but if I had a chance to I woud've voted for Lorab at that time. Before anyone says "it wouldn't have mattered. Jay was up by 2 votes" 1. We still don't know for sure what caused the lynch to be cancelled. Sure we know what Jay claimed, but we can't take those at face value. 2. Matt was also still on llama. Had he come back in time, he, too could have switched to Lorab and caused a tie. Would he do that? Idk.
My point with all of this is that I felt better about Jay than I did about both Lorab and llama.

As for who I think should be lynched next: I think DH looks the worst after this result. Typing this on my phone so I'll go look for quotes after posting this to back up my argument. But I recall DH defending Lorab pretty hard core early on and a bit recently. Be back in a few.
This doesn't sit right with me.
Why?
The tone doesn't real well.

FZ. wrote:
Dom wrote:
FZ. wrote:I suggest we start looking at the people who voted JJJ on day 3.0 who tipped it toward him instead of Lorab. That's the occam's razor logic you all like to use so much.

JaggedJimmyJay
10
Metalmarsh89 (5), Dom (7), Long Con (8), DrWilgy (10), HamburgerBoy (17), nijuukyugou (22), DharmaHelper (23), MacDougall (24), bea (25), juliets (27) 37%

LoRab
8
Epignosis (6), Sorsha (15), Golden (16), thellama73 (18), JaggedJimmyJay (19), Tranq (20), FZ. (21), motel room (26) 30

Also important to note is the fact that the only two who voted for someone else (for llama), were Drac and Matt, who voted relatively early on, when Lorab only had 1 vote. They too, should be viewed in my opinion. Not saying there can't be a baddie on the Lorab train, but less likely in my eyes.
Why not just look at JJ?
I just said why in the post above. Are you ignoring it deliberately?
No, I just think it's a WIFOM point to make.
How on earth is that WIFOM? Are you kidding me? The claim is that Lorab forced the position to prevent JJJ from being lynched. So they are both on the same team. JJJ had plenty of opportunities that day to go for someone who is not on his team, when several options were gaining momentum. Even after the Boomslang options was shot down, and he suggested Lorab, I gave him and out by suggesting Sorsha. He convinced me to go for Lorab. If he was my team mate, I wouldn't speak with him after pulling something like that. There's bussing and there's being a complete ass hole.
You'd rather say my observation is WIFOM and take a very circumstantial evidence as something that is proof enough? That is so bad.

What?
I'm just saying it's WIFOM. My view of JJJ being bad doesn't even have to be connected to LoRab, I just think it's possible.
You've NO U'd me all game, though, so... nice.

FZ. wrote:
juliets wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:I suggest we start looking at the people who voted JJJ on day 3.0 who tipped it toward him instead of Lorab. That's the occam's razor logic you all like to use so much.

JaggedJimmyJay
10
Metalmarsh89 (5), Dom (7), Long Con (8), DrWilgy (10), HamburgerBoy (17), nijuukyugou (22), DharmaHelper (23), MacDougall (24), bea (25), juliets (27) 37%

LoRab
8
Epignosis (6), Sorsha (15), Golden (16), thellama73 (18), JaggedJimmyJay (19), Tranq (20), FZ. (21), motel room (26) 30

Also important to note is the fact that the only two who voted for someone else (for llama), were Drac and Matt, who voted relatively early on, when Lorab only had 1 vote. They too, should be viewed in my opinion. Not saying there can't be a baddie on the Lorab train, but less likely in my eyes.
I think I called bea and juliets for pushing an MM counter-wagon when JJJ and LoRab were the main ones, and oh look, there they are, tipping JJJ at two-vote distance.

Then again, either of them have completely exposed themselves, if LoRab teamies.
I never "pushed" a counter wagon for MM. If you think I did please find me the quotes. Also, I did not even vote MM the day I ended up voting JJJ which was the day Lorab and JJJ were the main ones. I voted him the next day. I had voted Tranq before I moved to to JJJ. I explained the rules at the time that I moved and the timing was due to the fact that the posts that struck me to make me think JJJ was bad came late.
I think DH comes off looking much worse here. I think the bandwagon "hysteria" , where he doesn't know how the votes pile up so fast, could easily be fake. It legitimized his vote for LC in case things don't work out. "Hey, I was really worried that the votes were piling up to save JJJ". Anyone could see what was going on. Like Golden said, we were looking for a common player to agree on so we could save JJJ. No one was hiding their motives.
Dom and DH kept playing that card all the while, making me look bad in the process by accusing me for voting someone I started thinking could be genuine, and choosing to vote for her despite that. I think at least one of them is playing dumb, maybe both. I don't like how Dom is playing dumb now as well, with his WIFOM claim.

I didn't make you look bad. Your vote and explanation looked bad. I don't suspect you as much as I did before because you voted for a baddie, but I don't apologize for suspecting you.

On the WIFOM issue:

I'm not playing dumb?

That doesn't remotely describe my behavior?

#3808

Addressing the top part of Dom's post, I lol'd.

#3809

DharmaHelper wrote:Addressing the top part of Dom's post, I lol'd.

Me too.

Sorry Dom, I didn't even notice the dark red text.

#3810

Matt wrote:Hmmm.

Can Sorsha, Niju, Wilgy Llama, and Tranq all post? I'm working on a theory, thanks! Or if you've already posted on Day 4 and I missed it, can you please quote the post for me?

Appreciate it!

Who wants to bet this has to do with the day 0 poll?

I'm looking at players other than jjj today I think. I was feeling better about him yesterday and I'd hate to lose him if he's a civ.

I'm going to put my vote on Tranq temporarily until I read over some other players.

#3811

I am also going to vote for Tranq because he sucks.

#3812

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Addressing the top part of Dom's post, I lol'd.
Me too.

Sorry Dom, I didn't even notice the dark red text.

It resembles the color used by the great Papryco too much. Don't use it!

#3813

I'm certain Tranq just needs time to get more involved.

#3814

Ricochet wrote:I'm certain Tranq just needs time to get more involved.

I'm not.

#3815

Yeah, me neither.

#3816

Hello?

#3817

Ricochet wrote:Yeah, me neither.

Hey fuck off ... 6 hours of nothing and we just posted at the same time. How weird. We must be scummates.

#3818

Well 4 hours but still.

#3819

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Yeah, me neither.
Hey fuck off ... 6 hours of nothing and we just posted at the same time. How weird. We must be scummates.

Did you leave a message on the baddie line? Must have missed it.

#3820

Shall I get some popcorn for tonight's second round of EoD madness?

#3821

Ricochet wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Yeah, me neither.
Hey fuck off ... 6 hours of nothing and we just posted at the same time. How weird. We must be scummates.
Did you leave a message on the baddie line? Must have missed it.

Did you get a message from Donald Trump?

#3822

Ricochet wrote:Shall I get some popcorn for tonight's second round of EoD madness?

Before that, it's 12.37am here and I'm going to bed and I think today has been a bit of a shit day (and I haven't helped) so I'd like to see you go all "confirmed zombie civ" on the thread between now and the time I awake if it please u.

#3823

Placeholder vote on DH. I have another long day ahead of me and I really need to focus on work.

#3824

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Shall I get some popcorn for tonight's second round of EoD madness?
Before that, it's 12.37am here and I'm going to bed and I think today has been a bit of a shit day (and I haven't helped) so I'd like to see you go all "confirmed zombie civ" on the thread between now and the time I awake if it please u.

I'll be around the final hours, but I require a cocktail of "not busy" and "not exhaisted" to do more serious stuff.

#3825

Did anyone notice MM is not on the poll? I guess at least for the time being I will put a vote on Tranq. We'll see how important this game is to him if a lot of us have a vote on him. The one thing that causes me to believe he may be good is in AWR he was good the first part of the game and barely posted as I recall. Then when he became baddie he posted a lot more.

#3826

Matt wrote:Thanks Niju

Now I just need Sorsha, Wilgy, LLama, and Tranq.

Here I am! Busy couple of days. I'm mostly caught up. Will post again when I finish.

#3827

Weirdly, I can't access the forum on my PC/home WiFi, only on my mobile.

#3828

A Tranq lynch feels very easy button. Let's lynch llama. Or maybe someone can give me a reason my case is faulty.

#3829

I could get on board with a Llama lynch, Jimmy. I'd rather lynch you, obviously, but if it ends up not being you, then Llama is a fine contender for me, along with Draconus, and Boomslang.

Very quiet for the past little while. I haven't been able to post as often as I would have liked this round, but I think I'll hang around for awhile, see how this day goes.

#3830

Okay, caught up. I'm still feeling bad about DH, so I am placing my vote there for now, although I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if anyone has the inclination to.

Jimmy, you are wrong about me, old friend. Wrong, wrong indeed. Do you think I killed Golden? I didn't.

#3831

Thanks Sorsha/Llama. And haha, no not this time Sorsha

Wilgy and Tranq - please post, thank you!

#3832

I quite like the idea of lynching Tranq.

#3833

juliets wrote:Did anyone notice MM is not on the poll?

...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey guys, don't lynch me please. K thanks.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you and I are in the same boat today Rico, except I can vote.

...

goddamn marmot

#3834

thellama73 wrote:Okay, caught up. I'm still feeling bad about DH, so I am placing my vote there for now, although I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if anyone has the inclination to.

This reads like a bunch of nothing. You already concluded D3.5 by place a left-field vote, based of vibes, which completely extinguished four previous days (two Day phases) of cases, debates, leads you made or had. Now, your "catching up" = "nothing happened, voting vibes again".

#3835

I'm going to place a vote on Boomslang for now. I'd have preferred to have waited until everyone posted, but right now, I'm feeling good about my theory. I still won't be sharing until both Wilgy/Tranq post, or when the day ends, so I understand if nobody wants to follow my vote today.

I also find it curious that Boomslang, of all people, immediately tried to interrupt and make fun of my "Super Secret Theory". Very interesting, indeed!

#3836

thellama73 wrote:Okay, caught up. I'm still feeling bad about DH, so I am placing my vote there for now, although I'm willing to be convinced otherwise if anyone has the inclination to.

Jimmy, you are wrong about me, old friend. Wrong, wrong indeed. Do you think I killed Golden? I didn't.

I have no idea if you killed Golden. Is it confirmed he was killed by mafia? Why wouldn't you kill Golden?

What do you think of Dom?

#3837

Have bea and motelroom posted at all toDay? They don't have links on the first page...

#3838

@ Matt:

@ Ricochet: Who should i vote for?

#3839

Ricochet wrote:Have bea and motelroom posted at all toDay? They don't have links on the first page...

Oh. Now that sucks.

bea, motel room, please post if you haven't posted on Day 4.

Dang it, I was so close!!!

Linki - Tranq, now that's interesting. Hmmm. Please post again, Tranq.

#3840

Rico please make more people acknowledge my case I am pulling my hair out.

You're the boss.

#3841

Right in front of my eyes, I feel my theory is dying a slow, painful death.

But I'm going to need Tranq to post again.

#3842

Tranq wrote:
@ Ricochet: Who should i vote for?

MM

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rico please make more people acknowledge my case I am pulling my hair out.

You're the boss.

Everyone, please review what JJJ wrote about Llama/Dom. It's mostly coming off an interaction with a confirmed LoRabaddie.

#3843

*looks at the poll*
*looks at Ricochet*
*looks at the poll again*

Anyone else?

Matt wrote:Right in front of my eyes, I feel my theory is dying a slow, painful death.

But I'm going to need Tranq to post again.

#3844

Tranq wrote:@ Matt:

Rico, 3J, since you're here...

Would you see the above post, "@ Matt: [picture inserted]", you would take that as a statement, correct?

Linki - Okey dokey! I think I'm good! Thanks Tranq.

Wilgy, bea, motel room, please post before the day ends, thank you!

#3845

Tranq wrote:*looks at the poll*
*looks at Ricochet*
*looks at the poll again*

Anyone else?

You have to vote MM.
Insert *free will* and *head into game* to do otherwise.
[/quote]

Matt wrote:
Tranq wrote:@ Matt:

Rico, 3J, since you're here...

Would you see the above post, "@ Matt: [picture inserted]", you would take that as a statement, correct?

Probably, since he's the only who voted Brangelina. Why is he speaking to me in words, though?

#3846

I'm not sure but i think you weren't serious when you told me to vote either Golden or FZ the other day

You mentioned JJJ's post on LoRab and Llama/Dom. Do you think they're teammates?

#3847

Tranq wrote:I'm not sure but i think you weren't serious when you told me to vote either Golden or FZ the other day
You mentioned JJJ's post on LoRab and Llama/Dom. Do you think they're teammates?

#3848

Holy crap, I think my theory is full of it. Just looked over the polls, and I didn't realize there was a tie in the last Night poll, so we have no idea which won.

Anyway, basically, it had to do with I thought for sure there should be a player who was questioned cursed today if the question curse is based off positions. And if no one was question cursed that meant Boomslang might be a liar liar. Then him poking fun at my "Super Secret Theory" last night made me think he knew what I was up to and was trying to laugh it off.

But now, derp, just realized there was a tie in the last Night poll.

For now, changing my vote to Llama.

MM, why aren't you on the poll?

#3849

Matt wrote:Holy crap, I think my theory is full of it. Just looked over the polls, and I didn't realize there was a tie in the last Night poll, so we have no idea which won.

I'm seeing position 4 getting 8 votes to position 5 getting 7 votes, unless I need to clean my eyesockets.

#3850

Ricochet wrote:
Matt wrote:Holy crap, I think my theory is full of it. Just looked over the polls, and I didn't realize there was a tie in the last Night poll, so we have no idea which won.
I'm seeing position 4 getting 8 votes to position 5 getting 7 votes, unless I need to clean my eyesockets.

Uh really? I'm seeing them both get 6 votes. Is it possible the entire poll isn't showing up on my screen?

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