Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Marmot]

Sorry, I can't participate today.

MM, you're still choosing to joke around instead of being helpful. Why? I asked you to talk about suspicions, yet the only response to my post was telling me that just because BR is dead, it doesn't mean you're bad.

Why didn't people answer me àbout their thoughts on Juliets?

Believe it or not, I was serious.

She asked you to name suspects and your answer did not feature any suspects. Who are your suspects besides me?

Metalmarsh89. I knew we should have lynched that guy on Day 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry, I can't participate today.

MM, you're still choosing to joke around instead of being helpful. Why? I asked you to talk about suspicions, yet the only response to my post was telling me that just because BR is dead, it doesn't mean you're bad.

Why didn't people answer me àbout their thoughts on Juliets?

Believe it or not, I was serious.

She asked you to name suspects and your answer did not feature any suspects. Who are your suspects besides me?

Metalmarsh89. I knew we should have lynched that guy on Day 1.

Don't be afraid to expose your team mates, just give me some names.

[Marmot]

Sorry, I can't participate today.

MM, you're still choosing to joke around instead of being helpful. Why? I asked you to talk about suspicions, yet the only response to my post was telling me that just because BR is dead, it doesn't mean you're bad.

Why didn't people answer me àbout their thoughts on Juliets?

Believe it or not, I was serious.

She asked you to name suspects and your answer did not feature any suspects. Who are your suspects besides me?

Metalmarsh89. I knew we should have lynched that guy on Day 1.

Don't be afraid to expose your team mates, just give me some names.

I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.

You don't have to die, yanno. If you're neutral then you should have no qualms about telling me some suspects. Let's hear 'em.

[Matt]

Calm down.

MM has been named as a key suspect by quite a few people and entering this phase his lynch was more than a decent possibility. Talk of lynching Sorsha has not been nearly as substantive or quantitative.

What do you think of a JaggedJimmyJay lynch independent of a Metalmarsh lynch? What do you think of the notion that I am the revealed Kubrick role?

Separately, if I am a serious bullshitter then why are you offering to spare my life?

Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.

Perhaps it isn't. I see your vote in isolation and I don't see much discussion happening about Sorsha, and that's the observation I render. However, I've looked at your posts and there is more recent focus on Sorsha than I'd thought. So that's neat. Do you think she bussed LoRab thoroughly from Day 1 onwards?

Your perspective of me is very understandable.

I've no intention to twist. Only to accuse and assess.

[Marmot]

I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.

You don't have to die, yanno. If you're neutral then you should have no qualms about telling me some suspects. Let's hear 'em.

Well, there's this thing where I haven't bothered to look at anyone else because I've been lazy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.

You don't have to die, yanno. If you're neutral then you should have no qualms about telling me some suspects. Let's hear 'em.

Well, there's this thing where I haven't bothered to look at anyone else because I've been lazy.

That's okay. I don't need thoroughly reasoned reads. Maybe you could copy/paste the living player list and do a quick GTH -- even if only based on your perspective of the content you've skimmed?

[Marmot]

That sounds fun.

Bass_the_Clever - wasn't he replaced?
DharmaHelper - civ
Dom - bad
Dr. Wilgy - bad
Draconus - civ
FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad
Juliets - civ
Long Con - bad
MacDougall - KFM - civ
Matt - civ
Metalmarsh - ...
nijuukyugou - bad
Sorsha - civ
Spacedaisy - bad
Tranq - civ

[Ricochet]

Votes +400

Also, why do you think there's just one baddie team?

We had one town killing role and two independent killing roles. While all or some of them existed, there were consistently multiple night kills. With them all gone, there's suddenly just one night kill. I think that's essentially all that needs to be said. It's possible there are two teams that kill on alternating nights -- y'all on The Syndicate handle multiple mafia teams differently from what I'm accustomed to so I couldn't say with much conviction. I don't know if there's a reason to assume that's happening though. Heck, two independent killers and one baddie team is already quite a handful for any civilian faction. Anything more is a big challenge. I don't know how the hosts would balance that.

Yeah, you mention it yourself here, but if there are two teams with alternate kills, we won't be able to really tell, if the kill stays at the rate of one per night. We should however get closer to an understanding, should some baddie victims arise.

[Marmot]

Oh, and bea replaced Spacedaisy.

civ

[Ricochet]

That sounds fun.

Bass_the_Clever - wasn't he replaced?
DharmaHelper - civ
Dom - bad
Dr. Wilgy - bad
Draconus - civ
FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad
Juliets - civ
Long Con - bad
MacDougall - KFM - civ
Matt - civ
Metalmarsh - ...
nijuukyugou - bad
Sorsha - civ
Spacedaisy - bad
Tranq - civ

bass is motel now. and Spacedaisy is bea now...

linki: lol

Sorry, I can't participate today.

MM, you're still choosing to joke around instead of being helpful. Why? I asked you to talk about suspicions, yet the only response to my post was telling me that just because BR is dead, it doesn't mean you're bad.

Why didn't people answer me àbout their thoughts on Juliets?

Believe it or not, I was serious.

She asked you to name suspects and your answer did not feature any suspects. Who are your suspects besides me?

Metalmarsh89. I knew we should have lynched that guy on Day 1.

nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no

[Ricochet]

So Spacedaisy was bad, but bea is civ. Lawl.

[Matt]

Um, don't call my vote useless?

Tell me how that makes my vote useless.

I like LC this game, and I believe he's civvie, and though I think the case against you has merit, I feel like I've been witnessing 3J from TH all over again. Earlier on, I g2H you bad because you didn't really seem to give a fuck, which seemed incredibly unlike you. But then you explained Mafia fatigue, moving to another continent, etc etc. Later on in the game, you've been reminding me of TH 3J. Close to lynches, surviving, getting crazy with the ISO's, I just feel like it's civ 3J. My only other game I played with you was TH, so that's all I've got to go by, but my gut tells me you're good.

Separately, serious bullshitter, I am more invested in seeing MM dead then you, as I've been sussing him all game. I wouldn't call that "sparing your life", so please stop twisting.

Perhaps it isn't. I see your vote in isolation and I don't see much discussion happening about Sorsha, and that's the observation I render. However, I've looked at your posts and there is more recent focus on Sorsha than I'd thought. So that's neat. Do you think she bussed LoRab thoroughly from Day 1 onwards?

Your perspective of me is very understandable.

I've no intention to twist. Only to accuse and assess.

That's a good question. If it's true it's the other way around, and Lorab DOESN'T like to be bussed by teammates, then I suppose I'll have to take that into consideration. At the same time, though, I have no idea if there is one team, two teams, even *gasp* three teams! So IMO, it's not out of the realm of possibility to consider that both can be bad, on separate teams.

Also, I apologize for trippin' on you. Just woke up, saw that, and tbh 3J, I get kind of annoyed how game after game, I bring people up, and it gets completely ignored. I mean, right IN THIS GAME, I was like "yo peeps, let's get MM. Fo sho!" Nobody agreed. Now, this morning I see you accusing me of being bad if MM turns up good?! Like, I dunno man, it felt really weird that you said that.

MM - So you're claiming neutral now? Derp. Typically I wouldn't think that's a good strategy, but with only two Mafia dead, I dunno. What do you think of Sorsha? And please, this time don't just say "I have no opinion of Sorsha".

Linki - Thanks for callin' me civ, MM. (but if you do get lynched and end up bad, eff you haha)

[Ricochet]

I don't have any teammates. I'm just a lonely neutral who's long lost any chance of winning this game.

You don't have to die, yanno. If you're neutral then you should have no qualms about telling me some suspects. Let's hear 'em.

Well, there's this thing where I haven't bothered to look at anyone else because I've been lazy.

Sans??!!!

On a serious note, this is fairly consistent with MM starting to leak hints at his role whenever he's under critical lynch pressure. Not sure if there's actually be a role with a win con conflicting my own role activation requirements - and if there is, I didn't exactly feel MM put a strong fight, except for guessing that I'm just dying to get lynched and trying to signal that. So with these quotes in mind, confidence in MM flipping bad -150. IDK, tho.

[Marmot]

nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no

Oh come now, why do you think I tried so hard to stop your lynch on Day 1?

Linki: what do you mean it's not a good strategy Matt? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?

[Matt]

nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no

Oh come now, why do you think I tried so hard to stop your lynch on Day 1?

Linki: what do you mean it's not a good strategy Matt? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?

Whether you're lying or not. Typically I'd say claiming indy is a bad thing because you'd most likely get lynched anyway. Despite how many teams there are, I think we can agree that at the very least, there are 5 - 6 more baddies out there. Out of what, 17 players? By claiming indy, you're saying "Yeah I'm not civ, but shouldn't you be looking elsewhere town?".

Btw, I saw on your g2h, you listed Sorsha as civvie. Why?

[Marmot]

nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no

Oh come now, why do you think I tried so hard to stop your lynch on Day 1?

Linki: what do you mean it's not a good strategy Matt? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?

Whether you're lying or not. Typically I'd say claiming indy is a bad thing because you'd most likely get lynched anyway. Despite how many teams there are, I think we can agree that at the very least, there are 5 - 6 more baddies out there. Out of what, 17 players? By claiming indy, you're saying "Yeah I'm not civ, but shouldn't you be looking elsewhere town?".

Btw, I saw on your g2h, you listed Sorsha as civvie. Why?

Indy and neutral are different though. A neutral can sympathize with civilians (or even mafia sometimes or whomever). But a true Indy might not so easily, such as my role in Star Wars where I needed to construct a list of seven players, all of whom I needed dead.

As for Sorsha, I don't remember seeing anything suspicious from her.

[Ricochet]

nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh no

Oh come now, why do you think I tried so hard to stop your lynch on Day 1?

Linki: what do you mean it's not a good strategy Matt? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?

Again, I don't recall the "try so hard" part. I recall only the "try". I'd say that was the intensity of your attempt, if such. I honestly had worse vibes from LC being a counter-role informed of my shenanigan-prone role, because at one point he started yelling "Rico is a bomb. I ain't going near him."

[DharmaHelper]

Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

[Marmot]

Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

Just lynch me today, and I'm sure you all can finally nab Jay tomorrow.

[Matt]

3J - Did Sorsha ever answer you (or did someone else question her on this?) about why she called you civ but then voted you today? Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what happened but I'm tired soooo, if I'm mistaken, ignore this.

[Ricochet]

Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

The last time he did, a baddie got lynched. Was that so bad?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J - Did Sorsha ever answer you (or did someone else question her on this?) about why she called you civ but then voted you today? Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what happened but I'm tired soooo, if I'm mistaken, ignore this.

She did.

EBWOP

I'm looking at players other than jjj today I think. I was feeling better about him yesterday and I'd hate to lose him if he's a civ.

Voting for jjj

What changed?

I keep going back and forth. LC made a good case, it can't be ignored imo. Im not super confident I my vote today though. I'm starting to suspect Dom and Matt so I could go with one of them possibly too.

It could be opportunism on her part. I find myself wondering whether it's typical of a baddie mindset to be so blatantly inconsistent though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

Not necessarily. I'm not even sure I'm going to finish with my vote on MM right now. Anyway, if I am not lynched who are your favorite alternative options?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Me in this game:

[DharmaHelper]

Once again JJJ slips the noose it seems.

Not necessarily. I'm not even sure I'm going to finish with my vote on MM right now. Anyway, if I am not lynched who are your favorite alternative options?

Off the top of my head, MM/Tranq.

[Ricochet]

BTW, JJJ, don't you have a game to put in sign-ups?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

BTW, JJJ, don't you have a game to put in sign-ups?

I do indeed! Now to just figure out what in the bloody hell I'm doing...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think everyone who has voted for MM bears some obligation to comment on his claim of being neutral, production of gun to head reads, and any other thoughts about his most recent content since becoming the lead wagon.

I'm given pause. His post history is neutral-compatible similarly to llama's and even Epi's in that they were both narrowly focused, detached from a number of large discussions, and less effortful than they usually are when civilian. I doubt there are three different killing independent roles in one game, which suggests to me it might not be the best idea to lynch MM. He'd need to flip straight up baddie for me to feel good about it.

[Long Con]

MM is neutral with a Win Condition unrelated to Civs and baddies? Well damn, what a coincidence, so am I!

[Marmot]

MM is neutral with a Win Condition unrelated to Civs and baddies? Well damn, what a coincidence, so am I!

Well in that case, let's lynch you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well this game just got weird.

[Long Con]

That sounds fun.

Bass_the_Clever - wasn't he replaced?
DharmaHelper - civ
Dom - bad
Dr. Wilgy - bad
Draconus - civ
FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad
Juliets - civ
Long Con - bad
MacDougall - KFM - civ
Matt - civ
Metalmarsh - ...
nijuukyugou - bad
Sorsha - civ
Spacedaisy - bad
Tranq - civ

I generally disagree with most of these. Red ones are ones I disagree. Green are agree. Gold neutral.

Linki: My role actually kills anyone who casts a vote for me, so be my guest, at your peril...

[Ricochet]

MM is neutral with a Win Condition unrelated to Civs and baddies? Well damn, what a coincidence, so am I!

The cold-heartedness is strong in this one.

[Marmot]

Long Con

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rico, what do you think of Dom's behavior lately? Speaking of Dom, he asked me questions. BRB.

[Ricochet]

Then JJJ should have been long dead.

Unless he lied about voting everyone, back on D3.0.

linki: Why lately? What's he done lately to warrant a behavioural analysis on its own?

[Marmot]

Jay! You're still alive. :o

[Long Con]

Long Con

Just quoting this for the hosts to prove you really voted for me. Now you have to transfer me $100 or you will die!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

linki: Why lately? What's he done lately to warrant a behavioural analysis on its own?

If I trust my prior llama/Dom analysis, then I should be calling for his destruction right now, yes? I'm not. I doubt myself. I'm not sure he's behaving like a baddie. I'm just wondering what you think because your perspective is confirmed honest.

Nevermind him asking me questions though. He just responded to things.

[Marmot]

Long Con

Just quoting this for the hosts to prove you really voted for me. Now you have to transfer me $100 or you will die!

Do you fear death?

[Ricochet]

Long Con

Just quoting this for the hosts to prove you really voted for me. Now you have to transfer me $100 or you will die!

lololol

If Mac will read this, this is way better than chasing the game of ties.

[Marmot]

Also, for the record. Anybody who knows me knows that when I am a baddie, I try harder because I know I have a team I don't want to let down. Just throwing that out there. Rico, no laughing.

[Matt]

FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad

I generally disagree with most of these. Red ones are ones I disagree. Green are agree. Gold neutral.

Quote is snipped, fyi.

Anyway, I disagree with this. If Metalmarsh is neutral, and FZ and 3J are both bad, then why did Golden throw a fit over the 4 way tie? Do you believe his Monopoly buddy is someone else?

[Ricochet]

linki: Why lately? What's he done lately to warrant a behavioural analysis on its own?

If I trust my prior llama/Dom analysis, then I should be calling for his destruction right now, yes? I'm not. I doubt myself. I'm not sure he's behaving like a baddie. I'm just wondering what you think because your perspective is confirmed honest.

Nevermind him asking me questions though. He just responded to things.

Uhm, would you pursue his destruction the same way you did Llama's? I thought you mostly posited that LoRab would buddie Dom and the llama comment strikes you as odd, not that one of them most surely fall into the teamie category, despite receiving opposite treatment from LoRab.

Anyway, my perspective is my suspish theory. Whilst it is visibly acknowledgeable that Dom is not playing like his baddie former self, my gut tells me that, after not one, but two consecutive baddie wins, he could push the breaks to his former self, if he would have rolled a baddie card once more. I need to invite him to my show, look again through votes, such, to (re)assess how I feel about him.

linki: None laughed. That's an acceptable statement.

[Ricochet]

Yeah, I just knew something wasn't right with the way I wrote "buddie" there, but my brain wouldn't give a frak to react...

[Long Con]

Long Con

Just quoting this for the hosts to prove you really voted for me. Now you have to transfer me $100 or you will die!

Do you fear death?

No, I'm immune to nightkills as well.

[Ricochet]

Well, I gotta go study. I'd second JJJ's point that every MM voter should assess MM's claim - preferably not in the banter style LC chose to do that himself. Search for past games in which you played with him as a baddie, whether he BS'd you or not. (Uhm other than Death Note lol, in which he didn't need to BS anyone) Search for past games in which you played with him as a non-baddie, whether his hints and hidden claims checked out.

[Dom]

That sounds fun.

Bass_the_Clever - wasn't he replaced?
DharmaHelper - civ
Dom - bad
Dr. Wilgy - bad
Draconus - civ
FZ. - civ
JaggedJimmyJay - bad
Juliets - civ
Long Con - bad
MacDougall - KFM - civ
Matt - civ
Metalmarsh - ...
nijuukyugou - bad
Sorsha - civ
Spacedaisy - bad
Tranq - civ

So why am I bad?
???

Thank you both for your answers.


Sorsha, I'm testing LC-- I'm a bit wary of an LC that I intuitively trust.

You trust him intuitively and are wary of him at the same time?

What are you, some kind of monster?

You've never had a gut feeling and been nervous about it?

I don't think I've ever intuitively trusted or had a good gut feeling about LC to begin with. Even when I'm bad, I think he's bad,

This doesn't answer the question.

Sorry, I can't participate today.

MM, you're still choosing to joke around instead of being helpful. Why? I asked you to talk about suspicions, yet the only response to my post was telling me that just because BR is dead, it doesn't mean you're bad.

Why didn't people answer me àbout their thoughts on Juliets?

I think juliets is civ.

Thank you both for your answers.


Sorsha, I'm testing LC-- I'm a bit wary of an LC that I intuitively trust.

Cool, did I pass?

I don't think I've ever intuitively trusted or had a good gut feeling about LC to begin with. Even when I'm bad, I think he's bad,

*waits expectantly for sentence to finish*

Yes for now.



Can someone summarize the case on MM ? I'm in the high school rn and a bit lost on it.